The thing I remember about the 2016 Al Cy Young race was that five months through the season Cole Hamels was running away with the award but he ended up collapsing hard in September and didn't even end up getting a vote.
Harrison Alexander Hamels got destroyed in the playoffs by the blue jays. As a Jays fan I was pissed because I had tickets for game 4 in Toronto and they swept the rangers in 3. Ended up seeing a terrible game vs the indians in the alcs at 500$/ticket.
It only comes one time of year, but it’s the greatest feeling of joy whenever it comes. Of course I’m talking about when SportStorm and Foolish Baseball each upload on the same day.
I loved it when we acquired Porcello. I had been watching his career with the Tigers and I knew his ERA was bloated due to Detroit’s perennially poor defenses. Even throughout 2015 I believed he would help the team for years - he was entering his prime years (27-30). I also noticed his FIP was three-quarters of a run below his ERA yet again. To explain his value to other Sox fans I would compare Porcello to Tim Wakefield, our beloved knuckleballer for some many years. Neither was a star but each would give the team 200 quality innings a year. When we let Porcello go during the off-season I figured it would prove to be a mistake; if you followed the Sox this year you know how much we desperately could have used him back. Anyways, Rick Porcello’s career ERA is 4.40 but his FIP is nearly a half-run lower at 4.06. He’s spent his career toiling for teams with weak defenses (Detroit, Boston and now the Mets); he’s been a major-league starter for 12 years, averaged 202 innings per season, yet has never suffered a major arm injury and will only turn 32 next week. Dude deserves more credit than being remembered for that flukey 2016.
I never thought I'd see the day Jose Abreu wins an MVP award and yet Chris Sale has never won a Cy Young (and likely will never now). If someone told me that a few years ago, I would've said you were nuts.
@@colemathews137 And with DeGrom, up until the vote was announced people weren't sure he'd win. Not that anyone thought he didn't deserve it, but because we were all sure the older writers would vote against him for not having enough wins and part of the reason why people were afraid of this was the fact that Porcello won it, in a year when his main claim to fame was his 22 wins.
Verlander led the league in WHIP and strikeouts. Porcello led the league in wins and strikeout to walk ratio. Wins are a crap stat, but Porcello only lost the WHIP crown by .008, which is like one hit or something. (Cue Crash Davis talking about gorks and dying quails here. One less dying quail a week and you, too, can win a CYA.) Similar to the WHIP numbers, they were really close in ERA and innings, with Verlander slightly better. Overall, it was a race with no clear favorite and a weird vote that gave the award to the guy who didn't have one already. I'm okay with that.
It's kinda uncanny how often players have their best seasons at age 27. That is the age where most players are at their peak. Porcello's 2016 season was also his age 27 season.
Not uncanny. Contract time. Most players are approaching their 7 required mlb service years before FA. Makes sense that a lot of players have their best seasons age 26 or 27.
SportStorm, Apparently our Padres signed RH RP Nabil Crismatt, who according to my Cardinals fan friend is a meme in that organization's fanbase. Also, great video.
I saw all of your hof case vids and wanted to suggest videos for either Adam Wainwright, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Bartolo Colon, or James Shields cause I believe at least one should be in the hof and a couple could get themselves there
That was Zack Britton's Cy Young that year. Always felt Rick Porcello just lucked into it. That offense scored runs for him consistently. He wasnt really deserving of the award.
Rick Porcello has always been one of those pitchers who has a good xFIP, but fails to live up to it in the ERA department. I remember my first few years in fantasy drafting him late thinking I found value in him. After his terrible 2015 I gave up on him. Whoops picked the wrong year for that!
Career 150wins in the Majors to your name is by no means an average player. Maybe he was never an elite pitcher for an extended period, his prime was one that you dont see too often. Although he came downhill a little too quickly, having 150wins under your belt all the while missing out the entire year in 2022 and still being 33 years of age is by itself an astonishing feat.
This one was bad. But the 90s and early 00s are full of this nonsense. 95 MVP Mo Vaughn over Edgar and Albert Bell? Htf does Pedro not win the MVP in 99 or 2000??? Bonds should have won like 3 more in 90s too. And we all know about Colon over Santana in 05...
Edgar was a DH and he had other great hitters in that lineup. The only argument I could make against Belle is that the Cleveland lineup was STACKED compared to the Red Sox line up. But Mo did have a productive Canseco, but Canseco missed many games. 99 Pedro, Im ok with him winning it and with him not winning it. In my opinion, starting pitchers should not be eligible for MVP. On the other hand, for me, closers should be eligible for MVP and not Cy Young. 2000 Pedro. Red Sox didnt even make the playoffs in 2000 playing in a horrible division. And again, the starting pitcher argument, specially a starting pitcher that his team didnt even go to the playoffs. 2005, I agree, Colon should not have won that award. They only gave it to him because he won 20 games and his team made the playoffs. Whenever I see a starting pitcher winning a cy young with a ERA of 3.50 or above, I just cringe and look for closers to win.
@@hmhm856 who cares about the players position, the lineup, and if the team made the playoffs or not? What a boomer way of looking at the voting... That's how Juan Gonzalez gets 2 MVPs. Terrible and archaic.
@@Matts_Smirkingrevenge Im ok with DH winning MVP, since they play every game. But starting pitchers only play a max of 35 games. Given, I thought Pedro in 1999 should have won it, but that is like the only time I have ever thought that a pitcher should win the MVP. Not even Clemens in 86 or when Kershaw won it. And it doesnt matter if a team made the playoffs. But it does matter if the team had a winning record to get the MVP. Because many players when they play without pressure, they tend to perform much better. The 1996 MVP that Juan Gonzalez won was a very tight AL MVP race, so no matter who won it, there was going to be huge disagreement, like in 1995. The other MVP he won in 1998, now that one I would have given it to Nomar.
Ugh that year in 1999 if not Pedro, Jeter should have won it. And I dislike Jeter. But 8.0 WAR 219 hits 24HR 102RBIs .349/.438/.552/.989 he was second to Pedro in WAR so he was the highest WAR for position players (in both leagues). yeah those Yankees were a monster team but that's one of the greatest shortstop seasons of all time. The voters were constantly high in the 90s
Verlander won one before Porcello, and he won another one after, too. Plus, like you pointed out, he is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. (The black ink on his B-R page is bonkers.) I doubt the 2016 award is weighing much on his mind at this point.
Honestly I would've voted for Britton and thought he was the best pitcher that year. He had arguably the best season for a closer in AL History. I'm a Red Sox fan btw.
Seems Porcello’s gaudy W-L record despite lesser advanced stats made him the safe 2nd place pick, as well as a defensible 1st place pick to more traditional voters. Surprised that angle wasn’t addressed here at all. Verlander was robbed, and Zach Britton’s season could’ve been a Cy winner in a different year.
Verlander should have won over Procello but also should have won over Snell. If you watched the game and not look at box score, and I think even box score to Verlander, Verlander was more dominate. I think the same with Sherzer over deGrom
I do know what it's like to watch Willie Mays in his prime... I get to see Mike Trout. I do know what it's like to live through the Black Sox scandal...I watched the Astro's cheating scandal.
Their stats were so similar that although wins are starting to become less important because it depends so much on your offense (looking at you 2018-19 deGrom), a 20+ win season could be a convincing tiebreaker.
I say steroids because there's no way 1 season he makes a cy young award and the next he has a 4.00 era plus for the rest of his career he probably stopped
I did notice something odd with those cy young voting results.
Zach Britton didn’t win even with an era+ in the 800’s
Lol
"Here comes the pizza" is a top-5 moment in MLB history
Absolutely!!!! I will never forget watching that. I miss Orsillo and Remy together.
@@therealdrmatt8383 I'm a Yankees fan but Orsillo and Remy were money together.
@@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ fr they were the best
Don’t forget the sausage swat and the nacho steal!
Jerry Remy is amazing
The thing I remember about the 2016 Al Cy Young race was that five months through the season Cole Hamels was running away with the award but he ended up collapsing hard in September and didn't even end up getting a vote.
Harrison Alexander Hamels got destroyed in the playoffs by the blue jays. As a Jays fan I was pissed because I had tickets for game 4 in Toronto and they swept the rangers in 3. Ended up seeing a terrible game vs the indians in the alcs at 500$/ticket.
@@marianorivera3272 playoff don’t count for Cy Young
It only comes one time of year, but it’s the greatest feeling of joy whenever it comes. Of course I’m talking about when SportStorm and Foolish Baseball each upload on the same day.
it’s a splendid occasion🥂
Okay yeah but then some times you get the rare triple splash where Foolish baseball, Sportstorm, and the new dork town episode.
Being a tigers fan in the early 2010s was so nice cause you were confident in whoever took the mound
Almost every time
Porcello was kinda eh most of the time and we had Penny for a year
Definitely no confidence whenever a reliever came in lol
Until it came to a closer. We never had a reliable closer other than 1 year with Jose Valverde
How about R.A. Dickey's 2012 Cy Young season? That would probably make a good video as well.
JollyOlive did a great video on RA Dickey recently
I loved it when we acquired Porcello. I had been watching his career with the Tigers and I knew his ERA was bloated due to Detroit’s perennially poor defenses. Even throughout 2015 I believed he would help the team for years - he was entering his prime years (27-30). I also noticed his FIP was three-quarters of a run below his ERA yet again.
To explain his value to other Sox fans I would compare Porcello to Tim Wakefield, our beloved knuckleballer for some many years. Neither was a star but each would give the team 200 quality innings a year. When we let Porcello go during the off-season I figured it would prove to be a mistake; if you followed the Sox this year you know how much we desperately could have used him back.
Anyways, Rick Porcello’s career ERA is 4.40 but his FIP is nearly a half-run lower at 4.06. He’s spent his career toiling for teams with weak defenses (Detroit, Boston and now the Mets); he’s been a major-league starter for 12 years, averaged 202 innings per season, yet has never suffered a major arm injury and will only turn 32 next week.
Dude deserves more credit than being remembered for that flukey 2016.
I remember watching the pizza game live, my stomach hurt from laughing because Jerry and Don were laughing so damn hard. An awesome baseball memory.
Coulf you talk about the 1999 Cleveland Indians. Specifically about Harold Baines and his insane 1999
I never thought I'd see the day Jose Abreu wins an MVP award and yet Chris Sale has never won a Cy Young (and likely will never now). If someone told me that a few years ago, I would've said you were nuts.
Something else worthy of noting that I think was left out of this video was that Porcello led MLB in pitcher wins.
And he did the thing that all the old heads used to think should guarantee you a CY Young: he won 20 games
Pitching wins don't matter. See Jacob degrom or fluid hernandez
@@colemathews137 And with DeGrom, up until the vote was announced people weren't sure he'd win. Not that anyone thought he didn't deserve it, but because we were all sure the older writers would vote against him for not having enough wins and part of the reason why people were afraid of this was the fact that Porcello won it, in a year when his main claim to fame was his 22 wins.
@@colemathews137 love me some fluid hernandez
@@ryancarr6935 😂
All of your video introductions are just so random, and so so good. I absolutely love them.
I'd have to say it's the 22 wins that got him the award. Albeit a pitcher's w/l can be misleading, but 22-4 tough to vote against
That was mostly because he had the best run support in the league. I say this as a Red Sox fan.
Please do Bobby Grich - The Hall of Fame case!
Just for the record I was here before 1k! When you hit a million I'll feel special 🤟🏻
Same!! I was subbed before 100!!
One of the most undeserving winners
Verlander led the league in WHIP and strikeouts. Porcello led the league in wins and strikeout to walk ratio. Wins are a crap stat, but Porcello only lost the WHIP crown by .008, which is like one hit or something. (Cue Crash Davis talking about gorks and dying quails here. One less dying quail a week and you, too, can win a CYA.) Similar to the WHIP numbers, they were really close in ERA and innings, with Verlander slightly better.
Overall, it was a race with no clear favorite and a weird vote that gave the award to the guy who didn't have one already. I'm okay with that.
@@doug2359 Are you kidding LMAO AL central was piece of shit back then while three teams made it to the playoffs in AL east.
It's kinda uncanny how often players have their best seasons at age 27. That is the age where most players are at their peak. Porcello's 2016 season was also his age 27 season.
Not uncanny. Contract time. Most players are approaching their 7 required mlb service years before FA. Makes sense that a lot of players have their best seasons age 26 or 27.
@@PBMdanya Do you understand a time before Free-Agency? These figures hold up WAY before FA.
keep up the amazing content bro
SportStorm,
Apparently our Padres signed RH RP Nabil Crismatt, who according to my Cardinals fan friend is a meme in that organization's fanbase.
Also, great video.
I saw all of your hof case vids and wanted to suggest videos for either Adam Wainwright, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana, Bartolo Colon, or James Shields cause I believe at least one should be in the hof and a couple could get themselves there
I drafted Porcello in fantasy in the 25th round in 2016 and got laughed at in the draft lobby. I was the one laughing when I won the title that year.
Verlander stole CY Young from Gerrit Cole in 2019 so he got his revenge.
Lol
Lol I agree
I enjoy yr phrasing. "He stole Cy young".
That season came out of no where
You broke me when you showed all the different players with random teams I didn’t know they played for
I wasn't at the Red Sox pizza game but I was watching it live when it happened, it was hilarious
22 wins and playing for Boston pretty much sum it up...
To be fair i ‘m surprised he didn’t give that much runs considering he played alot in fenway
As a tigers fan I was shocked verlander lost it to a former tiger
Always a great day when sportstorm and foolish baseball post all we need is stark raving sports now
I would have been fascinated to see the beginnings of Marvin Miller and his helping agitate the MLBPA into the relative powerhouse that it is today.
Great vid
8:30 I cannot FATHOM looking at a reliever, Sale's 121 ERA+, and JA HAPP and thinking "yeah, definitely better than Verlander"...
Still mad about this Cy Young race, I was rooting for JV hard especially after recovering from his injuries and stuff
Do a video on Don Mattingly he’s one of the best players not In the hall that didn’t cheat
Good video, you sound very much like Tony Hinchcliffe
That was Zack Britton's Cy Young that year. Always felt Rick Porcello just lucked into it. That offense scored runs for him consistently.
He wasnt really deserving of the award.
I’m an angels fan so I would like to see them win
Rick Porcello has always been one of those pitchers who has a good xFIP, but fails to live up to it in the ERA department. I remember my first few years in fantasy drafting him late thinking I found value in him. After his terrible 2015 I gave up on him. Whoops picked the wrong year for that!
Career 150wins in the Majors to your name is by no means an average player. Maybe he was never an elite pitcher for an extended period, his prime was one that you dont see too often. Although he came downhill a little too quickly, having 150wins under your belt all the while missing out the entire year in 2022 and still being 33 years of age is by itself an astonishing feat.
This one was bad. But the 90s and early 00s are full of this nonsense. 95 MVP Mo Vaughn over Edgar and Albert Bell? Htf does Pedro not win the MVP in 99 or 2000??? Bonds should have won like 3 more in 90s too. And we all know about Colon over Santana in 05...
Edgar was a DH and he had other great hitters in that lineup. The only argument I could make against Belle is that the Cleveland lineup was STACKED compared to the Red Sox line up. But Mo did have a productive Canseco, but Canseco missed many games.
99 Pedro, Im ok with him winning it and with him not winning it. In my opinion, starting pitchers should not be eligible for MVP. On the other hand, for me, closers should be eligible for MVP and not Cy Young.
2000 Pedro. Red Sox didnt even make the playoffs in 2000 playing in a horrible division. And again, the starting pitcher argument, specially a starting pitcher that his team didnt even go to the playoffs.
2005, I agree, Colon should not have won that award. They only gave it to him because he won 20 games and his team made the playoffs. Whenever I see a starting pitcher winning a cy young with a ERA of 3.50 or above, I just cringe and look for closers to win.
@@hmhm856 who cares about the players position, the lineup, and if the team made the playoffs or not? What a boomer way of looking at the voting... That's how Juan Gonzalez gets 2 MVPs. Terrible and archaic.
@@Matts_Smirkingrevenge Im ok with DH winning MVP, since they play every game. But starting pitchers only play a max of 35 games. Given, I thought Pedro in 1999 should have won it, but that is like the only time I have ever thought that a pitcher should win the MVP. Not even Clemens in 86 or when Kershaw won it.
And it doesnt matter if a team made the playoffs. But it does matter if the team had a winning record to get the MVP. Because many players when they play without pressure, they tend to perform much better.
The 1996 MVP that Juan Gonzalez won was a very tight AL MVP race, so no matter who won it, there was going to be huge disagreement, like in 1995. The other MVP he won in 1998, now that one I would have given it to Nomar.
Ugh that year in 1999 if not Pedro, Jeter should have won it. And I dislike Jeter. But 8.0 WAR 219 hits 24HR 102RBIs .349/.438/.552/.989 he was second to Pedro in WAR so he was the highest WAR for position players (in both leagues). yeah those Yankees were a monster team but that's one of the greatest shortstop seasons of all time. The voters were constantly high in the 90s
@@LudaChez I would have given it to Jeter if he hit leadoff, but he hit second.
Nice video but why would you use a photo of Max in a Tiger's jersey in the thumbnail? I swear, the Nationals get no respect.
Verlander won one before Porcello, and he won another one after, too. Plus, like you pointed out, he is a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. (The black ink on his B-R page is bonkers.) I doubt the 2016 award is weighing much on his mind at this point.
Honestly I would've voted for Britton and thought he was the best pitcher that year.
He had arguably the best season for a closer in AL History.
I'm a Red Sox fan btw.
how did porcello land the 4 year 82 mil extension with such average stats prior?
Just commenting to help with analytics
So close to 15k!! Let's make it happen!!
Reminds me of Kershaw/RA Dickey
Ryan Tepera got robbed of Mvp for 2020
All his got changed to Trea Turner
As a Tigers Fan, Porcello was the better pitcher. The real question is why did only 8 writers give him first place votes
The pizza lol
When you show his 2016 second half, the strikeouts is put as BB
Seems Porcello’s gaudy W-L record despite lesser advanced stats made him the safe 2nd place pick, as well as a defensible 1st place pick to more traditional voters. Surprised that angle wasn’t addressed here at all. Verlander was robbed, and Zach Britton’s season could’ve been a Cy winner in a different year.
Verlander should have
Verlander should have won over Procello but also should have won over Snell. If you watched the game and not look at box score, and I think even box score to Verlander, Verlander was more dominate. I think the same with Sherzer over deGrom
Scherzer vs deGrom .... forget it
If I were picking Cy young winners I would go 1st Britton 2 porcello 3 verlander
I do know what it's like to watch Willie Mays in his prime... I get to see Mike Trout.
I do know what it's like to live through the Black Sox scandal...I watched the Astro's cheating scandal.
A shutout is a complete game by definition, so no reason to add complete game in front of it.
Kate Upton made the tweet of the year from this tho
Pujols got robbed of MVP in 2006, 2003, and maybe 2007 too. (David Wright tho...❤.)
Woah hold on he threw a complete game in Anaheim that I went to. He definitely deserve it
Britton without doubt should've won it, although I may be showing my Orioles bias
2nd comment let’s go boys and or girls
This guy sounds like Tony Hinchecliffe.
I watched the pizza thing as it happened live.
Zach Britton should’ve won that year and it shouldn’t have been close
Sticky stuff
Not Trevor Plouffe 6:17
Colons 2005 AL Cy Young was a travesty. Santana, Rivera, and Beuhrle all had much better cases.
i love how the highlights show 6-0 and then 6-4 2 outs later
Rick was unworthy of that Cy young, smh they gave it to him only because he was a red sox
Wow
Yooo the pizza 🍕 at the games in garbage
Their stats were so similar that although wins are starting to become less important because it depends so much on your offense (looking at you 2018-19 deGrom), a 20+ win season could be a convincing tiebreaker.
Porcello will always be my favorite pitcher of all time
Why? Honest question, not being a dick
Britton should've won
It’s okay, Verlander stole an MVP from Jacoby, so it balanced.
Or Jackie Robinson make his debut
RA Dickey won cy young also with no prior awards
Yeah but he was a monster that year.
He won because he had 22 wins and the boomers love that
malpractice, lol...those writers aren't doctors too.
Hello
I say steroids because there's no way 1 season he makes a cy young award and the next he has a 4.00 era plus for the rest of his career he probably stopped
So steroids help you locate pitches better? No way it was roids, the league just figured him out
Porcello is so overrated. Awful.
I knew this was a fluke never heard of him before 2016 then bam cy young
I’m a Red Sox fan and I forgot about it too