If we had phones and online pricing tools back then, I'm sure trading would've been affected as it is today. Your best option back then would've been either magazine pricing (way out of date!) or looking up prices on eBay, writing them down and guessing values of cards you couldn't find. Now everyone has their phones out, scanning cards. It results in fairer trades at least🤷♂️
"fairer trades" is so weird to me. I have a card you need and you have a card i need that should be everything. Ok we should maybe consider the power levels of the cards so that every player can get equally good cards. Ever since people started thinking about cards as stylized money i lost interest in trading and playing the game. That's also the time when the game transitioned from a hobby thing me and my friends played to something where adults would throw stacks of cash against booster packs. Guess you can grow to old for some hobbies.
Yet bartering continues to be on the rise. Look at how stingy people are when they know somebody who can do some thing that might cost them a few hundred dollars to get done otherwise. They want the work done at less than 1/10 of the rate a lot of the time, Just because they know you personally. I think people need to start respecting other people’s time and property with a little more compensation other than regular money if it isn’t some thing that you can bring to the table to barter with. Many collectibles value, is increasing at a much, much higher rate than the value of cash in a savings account, screw cash because all it’s doing right now is making people devalue everyone else’s stock.
I tried trading cards at school. Teacher caught us and took our whole decks and shoved them in her desk. Im not sure why trading stuff was taboo but it wasn't just cards. Silly bands, lunch, anything. We hid at the back of the playground and exchanged cards like we were dealing drugs. I am still so confused to this day.
Because there was always complaining about cards being stolen or gone missing and the teachers having to stop the class to scold a bunch of kids playing detective for cards that their parents payed $100s on while trying to do their jobs.
You hit the nail on the head on this topic! My locals still have people that trade but there are a few people that clearly try to rip people off and lie about values. That's why I I've always played meta/antimeta and hang out with the casual players. They are much nicer and even though it's standard to make sure we get fair valued trades, it feels like the old days when it comes to trading. we get fair values for everyone, if a card is less than $1 you just call it $1 and you make the trade is as even as possible. But there's another side that people seem to never talk about when it comes to trading... YOU CAN SAY NO! I've seen time and time again where my friends get ripped off by people and then they try to justify the price difference in the most self damaging ways possible. If people wouldn't let themselves get ripped off, this kind of thing wouldn't happen as much. Have some back bone and say "NO! That is not what my card is worth, you can look it up and if you don't like it screw off!". remember that if they are clearly trying to rip you off... they aren't there to be your friend. they just want to use you to make money. Also a side note.. do you guys remember when people would actually ask to pay MORE for cards in cash because they were right there and you wouldn't need to order them? because I do! now everyone wants like 80% tcgplayer and that's so dumb. Less being pushed around and more backbone is what we need!
I don't get why you don't like paying 80% of TCG Low? Its a deal and honestly if someone wanted more I would just order it. Only gotta wait like a day or two for the card to arrive. You area creating incentive for someone to buy the card from you instead of using a large company to get what they want.
I've taken hits on cards I dont play just to get stuff I want. Sure I might have ate a 20% loss but I dont really miss my gold super polymerization, or my God cards lol
@@ninetails15000 Hey! read my comment in full! People used to pay MORE if the card was right in front of you! But why would I want to sell a card to someone that offers me %20 less?? That's insane and if you do that in person you're a piece of garbage. And there is NO way you're getting cards every time 2 days after you order them. that's a straight up exaggeration and you know it. it's always 5-15 days which is insane.
@@arbogast4950 Sounds like you're just used to getting financially pounded. You should read the second paragraph if you need help on learning how to say no to people that undervalue your cards.
I let this kid look through my binder for Buys and he went "That's $1, That's $1 , That's $1" just pointing at all my cards saying they were worth a Dollar and then i laughed and took the binder away. He was trying to buy $20 cards for a Dollar....
A dollar is ridiculous I hate when people do that. However, let’s be fair. Even if your card is priced at $20 you always gotta keep in mind most card shops wouldn’t buy the card back for $20, only 70%. So it’s truly just a $14 dollar card. I always tell people at locals they should always value/price cards at the buyback value.
Not YGO, but a few years ago at my locals I remember trading a $10 pokemon card to a kid for basically a card worth less than 20 cents. A lot of the older players in the shop were calling me an idiot for doing so but I didn't care. The $10 card was going out of rotation soon so it would have dropped on price anyways, and the kid had just started playing so he didn't have any expensive cards. The kid was happy to get the card and build his first deck so price didnt matter to me.
@@seekertosecretsI buy them purely cause I like looking at them. The pictures. Reading the effects. And just having them. And I play online only except for friends. Still buy the cards tho. Just to collect them. For me. And my obsession.
Another reason is the fact that when we used to trade it was because we didn't have money to buy the cards we wanted. So we were forced to trade. When we were younger we didn't understand or care about the money involved in the game as we got older we understood the importance.
The thing that bothers me the most is that staples are almost impossible to get through trading. Take Pot of Prosperity for example. Most people who have that card have at most 3 copies. There is no point in having more than that especially when the card is as expensive as it is. That also means that the card isn't really up for trade because people just see it as a $100 note so you either buy it or you have to trade like $140 worth of cards for it if you can even find someone who has one up for trade. The card just goes into almost any deck so there is never a moment when someone has that card but doesn't have a deck to play it in.
See I’m the weirdo and if I’m after something specific near the value of something someone is chasing, I just match value or if the card is cheap.. I will trade a card for a card.. people let the price card of everything make them forget the reason we began this hobby
Why would you have to trade 140 worth of cards for it? Anyone I've seen with an extra pot of prosperity has been willing to move them for less than 100.
See I'm the weird collector If I see any Hero or Crystal Beast card it's a must have for me I don't care about rarity anymore if I lose value or off a specific trade I don't care as long as the person I traded with is happy that they got the card they need from me
I don’t trust people enough I’m convinced they’d try and swindle me lol happened the first time I tried it as a 7 year old and I still get annoyed by it 20 years later 😂
@@bloodarcher7841 its not healthy to think about it everyday, but if you're reminded of a time u got wronged, and get mad for a second. Then thats totally normal. I got my og deck stolen when I was 10 and im now madder then ever knowing how expensive some of those cards got 15 years later. I don't think about it until ppl bring up getting ripped off or having cards stolen, then I get mad for a second remembering tht I got wronged.
@@jadegrace1312 aight lose almost 2k worth of a possession that also has sentimental value and then just forget about it and never get annoyed if you're reminded of it. See how tht works for u lol
I think a good thing about having a group of friends is that trading is still possible. You and your friends will open a box and trade cards that you all want/need which makes it easier and more fun to buy product with friends.
Since I mostly collect Yugioh cards, I trade a lot at my local shop. Knowing prices lets me get a bunch of cards for expensive ultra rares that I pull doubles of. I remember pulling two Dryton Novas and trading one copy for most of the cards I was missing from Genesis Impact.
As someone trying to come back in to the game, I just assumed no one traded. I'm not really interested in trading myself, generally, but for these reprint sets, like Legendary Duelists Season 1 and 2, and Dragons of Legend: The Complete Series, I wish I had someone to to trade my duplicates with so I can fill the holes in my collection binder(s).
The last time I tried to play at my locals again I needed a harpie's feather duster and an imperial order. I brought my binder that had $800 worth of cards so I was sure I'd be able to trade for them. But when I got there and started asking to trade, everyone told me that they don't trade staples. So if I want staples I just have to buy them myself I guess. So much for trading to save money
@Ramon Lopez They did have spares though. When we looked through our binders and pointed out what cards we want, I told them that I needed those cards and they said they wouldn't trade them because they are staples.
@@shadowdraqon2479 I was pretty pissed about them not trading those cards to me so I ended up buying a 1st edition Pharaoh's Servant Imperial Order in great condition. I also got a WC4 Harpie's Feather Duster as well as 4 copies of Harpie's Feather Duster from SDD. If I had to spend money I figured I might as well get some nice ones
As a backpack vendor, I'm so thankful for the nature of trading. I feel trading gets a bad wrap, yes there are predatory people, but first and foremost this is a TCG. When i was 17 and broke; Not Only Was This A Hobby To Get Out Of The House, It Helped Me Be Financially Stable. I'm so grateful for Trading Card Games. Most AMAZING deals done are at a 5 dollar plus for me, but to a kid thats literally lunch for the day. 5 dollars is so negligent in this day and age, but to a person who grew up with nothing. It's literally life. I've only been successful because i'm dilligently trading FAIRLY and also a reliable source for great value cards because I put out high value. If I Personally want a card, I will neg around up to 10 dollars for a low trade. My 45$ card for a 35$ card IS GOLD !!! I'd rather not spend 35$ by losing 10$. Thiis has died in TCG. The entitlement people have of wanting to buy every single card at 80-85% of tcgplayer is retarded and toxic to the communiy
For me it comes down to the situation. For my close friends I will literally just give them cards or take huge 'negs' so they can get cards they need because it goes both ways, and its part of supporting each other in the game. At locals, with people that I see every week and know on a first name basis, I will want more of a fair trade but it doesnt need to be super even. At regional events and otherwise, I usually don't trade as much and when I do it needs to be pretty much down to the dollar and only on market prices.
Yea I do the same sometimes, I have a larger pool of cards stored that I don't really plan on using compared to my friends who don't have that since I've invested more into the game and every once in a while my friends will be using a deck that could use a card I have (usually not high value, at most like a $5 card or something) and I take a neg and just give it to them since its more valuable in their deck than in my storage box collecting dust.
I think something that ties into this is the structure of recent sets where there's a specific handful of chase cards everyone's looking for and most of the rest of the set is of no interest to people not already obsessed with a specific archetype. When everyone is looking for the same cards, and no one wants the rest of the cards, no one has anything to offer to anyone else.
I dont really trade much persay, but I have been giving some of my collection recently to my sister. I'm hoping that it might encourage her to maybe build her own deck at some point. I imagine there'd be a lot more trading if more people were just getting into the game casually again. Trading tends to happen more on the casual level anyways, usually between friends or family. In stark contrast, card prices usually develop based on how good a card is on the competitive level. Its why buying and selling cards (or trading based on monetary value) is probably so prominent in a tournament setting.
I remember those good old days. I would trade two cards for two cards, if anything we only cared about them being holos or if not just throwing in something extra. I remember we had a rule, 1 holo was worth 2 common cards, now I know we were idiots, but that innocence is something that I miss dearly
yeah, i'm a recent return to the game, from waaaay back, and while i haven't met anyone in person since returning, i always thought that trading HAD to be different now with the ability to look up the prices so easily these days. i definitely don't get the same satisfaction from buying cards as i did back when we traded, but back then we were all kids, and barely anyone knew the cards had pricetags, other than the packs we bought them in. sad times..
trading,by default has a MUCH different vide to it than just buying cards because it's the simple act of "i have something you need and you have something i need so let's trade" that leads to BOTH players walking away happy. once you start selling cards,though it becomes just a side hussle and sucks the innocence out of it because now you're not two players helping each other: you're just doing business.
I've played since 2012 and have only made four trades. I traded a Dracossack for a Big Eye. Great fit with Trags in Blaster Boxers. I traded a RYMP secret Cyber Dragon for two copies of #8 Heraldry Something. I traded a whole Boxer core for a Ghost rare Solemn Judgement. And I traded two copies of BE Alternative just before his reprint for a big stack of Tenyi and Orcust cards. In each case, both players were satisfied, so no regrets.
Trading has mostly gone by for all the adult players. While I recognize the utility of the online markets and how they have made easier for all people to see the value of each individual card, I also become more worried about what is in the future of this (and basically all tcgs) game.
I think there are two main reasons why trading is dead: 1. We are (most of us) adults now so why would I trade my card for a card I need/want when I can simply spend money on it? 2. We live in the age of internet and with the click of a button we find the card we need nomatter how short printed it is. I bought a copy of the plunder patroll fusion card the other day from a seller in Canada(I live in UK). Thanks to sites specifically designed to give you the best deal you're making sure to get your card without being ripped off(as far as that's possible). There's simply no need to go through hundreds of local binders and boxes of used/damaged cards to look for something you need and then HOPE you have something that the owner wants! Also, trading can be fun for kids but I also remember the drama involved with unfair trades, kids being bullied into trading their favourite cards, others being told 'you're making a great trade!' when you're actually being scammed out of your best cards!(kids can be evil) Let's be honest it is so much easier nowadays and more "fair" when you're able to check prices and availability online to make sure you're not being scammed. But I still trade with close friends(before Covid-19) whenever I pulled some cards they needed (more like give away) and they do the same for me.
I hate hearing that all my childhood nostalgia based franchises are being turned into stocks and being scalped. it's not about the passion and enjoyment of games anymore. everything is about business and making money. it's sad.
I remember back before syncros and all the fancy stuff me and my friend group would just trade things we needed to eachother without caring about value. That died as did the ability to get into the game casually with how expensive some staples can get. It wasn't perfect back then but it was something and I miss that something and the times I enjoyed spending time dueling and trading with by buds...
I once traded an entire roid starter deck for a red eyes b. Chick, red eyes black dragon and red eyes darkness Dragon. Ah, to be a kid without worries again.
I used to love trading back in the day value was never a thing in my circle we traded just based on art or arch type alone I miss those day wish cards were a game and not a way to make a second mortgage payment lol I literally give cards to my friends without a second thought of what its worth these games should never have been about the money but the fun and time you spend with friends
I’ll mention Pokémon trading card game online. You do not have the ability to purchase singles. You can buy packs or post trade offers. If you look though the list of trades, almost all of them will be the user offering a pile of random common cards for a particular rare card. You might accept that and then post a trade using those common for a rare card you want. Even when users couldn’t use an actual currency, they effectively just used common cards as their currency to purchase the rarer cards.
Trading is really weird in the modern game. I once saw a vendor at a YCS let borrelsword go for like $40 worth of cards back when it was $60 on TCGPlayer. At that same event a dude was trying to get knightmare Phoenix from me for two time thief cards. The only way to “fix” trading is to tank card prices so people are more willing to part with cards if they’re not immediately going to use them.
Back in the day everyone was running fake cards and we didn't even know better. It's all that was available for sale in the shops around so we all assumed they weren't fake. All we did was trade and money got mentioned only if you refuse to trade for the card. Why? Because if money is involved you have a chance of getting it from a new deck. I don't know how things are like nowadays. I know for sure that we've learned which cards are fake and I've found places the sell the official cards, but I haven't gotten in contact with the local community. The only time I got in contact with it was because the same place was organizing a Tekken 7 tournament and behind all the fighting game players were a few tables of people playing Yu-Gi-Oh and I remember spotting a group of 3 people going through their binders and talking trades.
I guess we miss hanging out with the crew in the school yard, finding trouble - never looking too hard. Back at class they never taught us this*, but some things we gotta learn hit'n'miss. *the way a maturing player base, growing comprehension of monetary values, the ongoing evolution of the internet & information technologies, and international communication & trade available to even the average civilian, would collectively affect the economy of a trading card game.
When i was at school i traded my spare blue eyes for a kids Jinzo but since blue eyes had more attack i convinced him to give me another card which was a Holo monster reborn. He was older than me so no guilt :D
I just checked my locals out for the first time today because I had someone that I wanted to trade with. He was cool enough to throw in an extra card I liked with the trade so I gave him one he was interested as a thank you because he was super cool about it. I knew the value was higher at the time and I know he was throwing the card in to even out the trade a little more, but I wanted to keep the essence and enjoyment of trading going so I returned the favor. It felt good and it was cool. It was like I was trading when I was younger.
Thanks for addressing this Paul. So many people are seeing it as an investment and are not focusing on the sentimental uniqueness of trading card games. Some of my favorite trades have been ones with friends that we both love the card and appreciate the trade. Then using that card is like how Yu-Gi for example used Joey's Red-Eyes in Battle city. You have their heart in your cards.
hey Paul I'll trade you one pot of greed for one blue eyes white dragon no take backs 👀 lol I think trades happen if you are younger and aren't taking things seriously. from 2002 till 06 me and my friends did trades idk how it is nowadays though.
Your literally just buying the card off the person by handing them money, it isn't a trade the moment you hand them money for the card, it than becomes a purchase.
This is very true Paul. When I decided to go from casual to competitive that was a bridge I was not prepared to cross when I want to ask my buddies to trade and I feel like a jerk.
It also helps that almost the whole set is playable. Everything is important in that set, enough so that I'm splitting a case with someone once the reprint is available.
I’ve never been big on trading, because back then, everybody was out to plus and rip off someone, and always come out on top on the deal. And if you weren’t that way, you were the one getting ripped off, or simply didn’t trade. Now that monetary values of cards have become so strictly defined, and there just generally being easier ways to get what you need with less of a hassle of dealing with the aforementioned individuals, it’s no wonder it’s dead.
I see two obstacles for trading: 1 People don't think of card games (in general) as games; only as money in a different shape. 2 Bad product design. I don't have the time or space to explain everything here (go watch Khodok's videos if you are interested) but in general terms: Packs and Structure Decks have too many cards you don't care about and the good staples only come at to high rarity for you to have enough for trading.
I did a trade recently for Digimon, where I traded an alt art MetalGreymon (worth about $30 at the time) for four BT1 Agumon which were about $5 total. The dude I was trading with was super surprised that I didn't want something "more expensive," but I told him that the value didn't matter to me because he got a card he really wanted and I got some cards I really wanted. Should I have asked for more? I mean, probably. But at the end of the day, if I get something I really need the monetary value is "mostly" insignificant. Hell most of the time, me and my friends will trade cards just to trade. While we factor in value for some more expensive cards, most of the time we'll just trade cards for cards because that's the point of a trading card game lol
I am with you good sir. I miss the old school trades. The simple harpies brother(back before it was sky scout) for la jinn trades. This video is organic. Well said.
Here in Bolivia people rarely trade, we instead just buy and sell cards from each other using prices from pages such as Troll & Toad as reference and even the local shop owners encourage this. It was weird when my friends who went to Europe and the US told me that it was more common to trade more than buy and sell as we do here in my country. Seems everything is changing
Me and my 2 friends buy packs together and we divide what we pull with each other, and if one of us buys a box set (my one friend just recently bought a Maximum gold box) he pulled 2 dragon maids and he knew I liked them he gave them too me, we don’t usually trade beyond just swapping between each other because we don’t care about what we pull that much, even if it’s a Secret or Ultra rare we still give them to each other because we know what each other likes
I mean Trading at our locals has mostly disappeared cause of Covid. But since its all opening back up again i do hope we can all get back together again and play & Trade
If me and my 1 of my 2 friends who still play pull a card which fits into the other guy's deck and it's less than 3 €, we don't even bother trading and just give it to him. I stopped trading at local like 6 years ago lol
It is sad in some sense, but i also think its just a natural thing to happen for a couple of reasons. Cards in general are a lot more accessable, not only because most of us now have a stable income of our own and dont rely on pocket money or on the generosity of our parents. But the mediums through which we can aquire cards are also more accessable. Back then as a kid, i was only able to afford the occassional pack or maybe even a tin if i got a good grade in school. Buying a full booster box wasnt an option because of the lack of money (and the impatients to save up lol) and buying singles online wasnt an option either because i didnt have internet until like 8th grade. And that was the case for pretty much all of my friends, so we had to make due with what had and trading was an essential part of that. Nowadays you have easy access to the internet and websites entirely dedicated to purchase/sell trading cards. Not only do you know what the cards are worth, you can also make sure to get your moneys worth for your cards or the ones you want to aquire. We couldnt really do that back in the days, so we had no choice but to trade. Obviously there are positives and negatives to the whole thing. I do miss the sensation of a good, satisfying trade for both parties. But i also enjoy that i can very easily research what my cards are worth to minimize the risk of making an unfavorable trade and that im no longer limited to my own cardpool and the one of my friends/the people i meet at local game stores. If im completely honest to myself, even though i kinda miss trading, if it came down to it, id prefer just buying what i need.
I personally use TCGPLAYER as a price monitor or a last minute purchase from home so I don’t have to waste money on boosters. However, I have a lot of picky customers in my area that only want present day/meta-like cards and it’s been cramping my style as well as my binders. I always bring my binders to events regardless of circumstances
You right but it depends on the person, me and my homies are well aware of card costs and stuff but when we go and get packs together we still just do old school trades based on cards we like or know the other dudes lookin out for it’s part of the fun man and nothing can buy the look on your mates face when you pull a card there after and just straight offer it to them, spread the love guys!
I never had this problem at my locals. Everyone at my local always had (and I say "had" because I haven't been to locals in over a year because the virus.) A binder or even multiple binders full of stuff for trade. We'd spend more time trading than actually playing. Except this one dude that always carried this mini binder with like 15 cards and it's all super high value stuff that he doesn't want to trade anyway. Always confused me why he even bothered carrying it, much less letting people look through it.
it's not just YuGiOh. every card game past i'd say 2004 has no "trading" market. Hell, I played magic growing up in the 00s and I don't remember ever trading a single card. My friends either just gave me the cards they didn't want, or I bought them for like $1
Maybe it was because my area is more competitive, but this was never the case. Back when I really started going to locals 2012-2013, everyone had a phone already, everyone was trying to get that edge in trades. The rush was trying to go up on a trade. But now, as an adult playing this game, why should I try and nickel and dime and haggle when I just have disposable income. Heck, I've just been selling things out of a "trade" binder this year cause it makes more sense for me with how wide card values are right now.
Honestly, you have a point. Trading has gone and it's sad. I know I play dragon link and I've been trying to find dragonmaid chambers and nobody wants to trade. I have good trades that equal in that card's value but nobody wants to trade it. It's like, what's the point of having these expensive cores and cards if you don't want to trade? I can understand you on selling it but if you got something I need and I got something you need, both of equal value. Why don't we trade?
Paul, what you gotta understand is these cards have ALWAYS had monetary value. As children, they were our currency. Nothing really has changed. We are still "trading" per se. It's just that instead of giving you one of my cards I'm giving you something else I own: Money. Money that essentially equates to the value of a certain card. Now, personally, at my locals they don't allow us to buy cards and require trading. This tends to help in keeping that old school feel (though personally I find it unnecessary. All to his own though.)
They banned trading (all TCGs) at my son's school because too many parents were getting upset at older kids taking advantage of the younger (or less experienced) kids, myself included. It was genuinely upsetting seeing him come home with a handful of bulk in exchange for his prized holo. "My friend told me it was a fair trade."
I don't really go to card shops too much. The closest shop to my place, the owner can be shitty if you don't buy everything through him. However the people I play with at work are all pretty decent. We will trade and just give cards to each other. It's a nice little setup we have.
I think pokemon still has a decent trade scene, mostly because there's so many good tool cards that are easily available for the game and most of the big chase cards are reprints in a higher rarity so price is more flexible.
Kevin if you're watching this, our inside joke has come true. Yu-gi-oh the trading card game... Nonono Yu-gi-oh the gimme card game. Giveme giveme giveme.
Yea nearly but oftentimes tho, i do trade with friends, cause even you know that you're losing money, you somehow just want your friends to be happy so they keep playing the game
Trading can be a bit limiting sometimes. So if I have a playset of Droplets and want to trade those for a playset of say Proserity, do I look around my whole locals for someone with exactly that or do I just sell the Droplets and go buy my Prosperities online? Or sometimes it’s frustrating where someone posts a card you need online and when you ask they’re like “it’s only for trade” when you want to buy it off them. Like they can just take that money and buy the card they need. Instead I have to either I buy it off someone else or try scramble together cards to match the value. I understand when someone will only trade for a card you’re selling because they don’t actually have the money but they have the value in cards.
I remember in my elementary/junior high days I will trade stacks of cards I didn’t want for blue eyes and other ultra rare‘s kids had. I actually knew they weren’t getting a good deal but they always excepted 😅
Playing yugioh as a child: I got some cards for my birth day i wonder what deck i could build. Oh i should see if i could trade with my friends. Playing yugioh as an adult: I think i play the 300 Dollar Deck and probably beat any deck up to 500 Dollars. I wonder why Konami still prints Booster Packs. They should just sell singles at whatever price they want.
Yu-Gi-Oh will eventually face an aging player base with little to no new blood if a new entry point doesn't take off hopefully Rush Duels will take this role
@@defectivesickle5643 actually RUSH duels is doing very well in japan etc, the game is made for younger kids to understand, because it is actually impossible for a 9 to 12 year old to understand the master rule game due to their limited attention span. And that is just due to their brain being in the early stages of development still.
As a matter of fact, I literally traded for an ultimate rare halquifibrax and 2 warning points last night and I have a trade pending for evenly matched and a dragon ruler feild center. This hot take is absolutely not true. The trade community is super live in discord, go in any big remote duel server and you’ll see they have a very active trade tab. I even trade entires decks online.
What I miss is when you’d had a card beat to shit and you can tell it’s seen some duels and that was awesome. Now if it has a tiny ding or scratch it’s worthless
I feel like yugioh has always a transitional nature to it. In the past few years it’s become increasingly exaggerated. I remember “market watch” content not being a thing in the YugiTube community. That definitely helped create a shift in culture.
I try n give people a couple dollars off since cards fluctuate but for example one week at locals this guy had most of the HEROS I needed for a HEROS deck I was interested in building and at the time was my second locals so we agreed next week I’d come with a trade binder since he had his and I did not. Ended up trading a couple exosister cards a emergency teleport and wondering gryphon rider for pretty much the core of my deck. I got around 10 cards with only one or two dollar singles and the rest 30-65 to 80-ish cents each. While discussing the trade I could have easily price checked the cards and got a fuller value but in my mind since I got the core of my deck from the trade and could now upgrade my poor excuse of a HEROS deck to be more competitive/actually functional, nit picking over 3 bucks or some extra commons I could have gotten didn’t make sense. Prices move up n down as you know so being thoughtful I priced each card a lil less than the current value and try to each trade so people don’t get a bad taste in their mouths after the trade and can have some wiggle room if or when they Trade or sell those cards, plus helps insure people will be more fond and positive engaging in discussions on possible trades instead of secretly hating you for being sheisty and avoiding any future deals. But facts I try and buy sealed to help the only good card shop here stay open and buy singles online only when I’m forced too because the rush of not knowing what you’ll pull is apart of the experience and you just don’t get the same feeling placing a order and yea supporting local shops is very important as well as the company who make the dang cards on some horror movie vibes “In a world where Konami went bankrupt and no longer produces yugioh! cause people stopped buying sealed n only bought from second hand markets that ironically made supply of singles eventually nonexistent and any relic of yugiohs past became collectible” lol that would suck
Went to my first locals today. Got a few decent trades, I problably got ripped off but I honestly am just trying to have fun. So I don't mind to much. Thankfully I got a double evolution pill and 3 scrap raptors and a abyss dweller for the deck I'm trying to finish.
I personally prefer it having price tags on everything, this being said though since I'm in Aus and it cost an arm and a leg to ship a card over from tcgplayer to here, while we look at the tcgplayer prices, we still tend to do more trades than not. The price tags help with making sure people don't scam others out of good cards, while we technically aren't allowed to hand money over to other players at our lgs, it still happens and everyone around checks to make sure no one is getting ripped off
Many people, especially older players, are more interested in making a profit than going even. I'm always down to trade value for value, but people would rather trade their 10 dollar card for 14 dollars worth of cards than simply be generous enough to trade value for value. That, or they just don't trade and sell. I also like selling and buying, especially between my friends since we typically give each other better deals, but I do miss the days when it was as simple as "I have x you want, you have y I want, let's trade!" Sometimes I'll trade newer players cards I have that they want for things that I want regardless of how much less value it's worth, but I know I'm just being the exception, not the rule.
I first started playing yugioh when the Kaiba and yugi structure decks came out. I can remember several times trading cards but it was never extremely common in my experience. For me I always remember trading and selling cards between each other in card shops being banned. I could understand selling between each other but the ban on trading was always weird, plus you could just go outside to trade, sell, or buy. But to summarize selling was always more common than trading cards.
I think the other part of it is that metas and tier lists are so clearly defined nowadays. The "value" of a card is not only its price tag but also its worth in the current and perceivable future meta. I think YGO has become a lot more about the competitive and less about the sit down at a coffee table and just slam out a game for fun type thing. No one's going to trade their $300 of tier 1 cards for $300 of tier 2/rogue cards. They're getting the same financial value but as far as playability is concerned they're lowering their ceiling and getting cards that are harder to trade for something else. I would say historically speaking I've been discouraged from trading because I don't have any of the chase or collector cards people really want, cause everything else can just be picked up at an LGS or on TCGPlayer.
Back in 06-07 dudes would trade half their binder for a Cyber Dragon lol buying boosters and getting that dopamine effect was the fun of it. Now we just buy the cards we need online or at a comic shop.
Trading is definitely not dead it's just at the point where people will like to have fair trades. Almost everyone has a trade binder and my area is all about trading than buying.
I think trading does still exist but we’re just better at it. But I feel it in the U.K. and Europe as a whole it was maintained due to the fact cardmarket actively stops buyouts and in the U.K. Facebook trading groups are a lot prevalent here too so we do avoid paying fees but me exclusively for vending I just try to trade up from supers up to high end ultis and starlights as they’re a lot easier to get full value on those
Honestly I never liked trading. At points I liked it if it was close friends but if I’m getting a card I’d much rather buy it or “trade” and pay the difference although I stopped playing a few years ago so that has affected my stance. Being just a collector now I still get what you’re saying I have plenty of cheaper cards that I value more for sentimental reasons than some of my more valuable ones. It’s was the more casual relaxed feel the game had. There wasn’t so many scalpers and people focused solely on the monetary aspect and making a quick buck. I think that was just life in general it had a less of an intense and competitive feel. Although maybe it was the fact we were younger or kids as well as as seeing it with rose tinted lenses. I know I often find myself longing for that relaxed casual feel again in both yugioh and life as a whole.
I never traded cards. It was always easier to buy them. If you have a trade binder, it justmeans you just have a whole bunch of shit that you don't need/aren't gonna use/ extras. It's why I don't buy boxes. I just buy what I need and stuff I might need.
i don't trade anymore, for the exact reason like I'm looking for a card and a person has it and they just want full value for a card. like, have had so many trades fall through because of a like $1 difference, if I'm going to try and get cards for what they are worth on tcg player, ill just buy them.
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Is there a podcast version of these Paul Talks, cuz these are great
So much wisdom
I would listen!
Call it paulcast
I'd watch the hell out of it
Yea I fuckin wish
If we had phones and online pricing tools back then, I'm sure trading would've been affected as it is today. Your best option back then would've been either magazine pricing (way out of date!) or looking up prices on eBay, writing them down and guessing values of cards you couldn't find. Now everyone has their phones out, scanning cards. It results in fairer trades at least🤷♂️
Ten years ago we still had this more or less. People just traded.
Yes, and 10 years ago we were in a financial crisis, yet people still spent over $1200 on a tier one deck
"fairer trades" is so weird to me. I have a card you need and you have a card i need that should be everything. Ok we should maybe consider the power levels of the cards so that every player can get equally good cards. Ever since people started thinking about cards as stylized money i lost interest in trading and playing the game. That's also the time when the game transitioned from a hobby thing me and my friends played to something where adults would throw stacks of cash against booster packs.
Guess you can grow to old for some hobbies.
not gonna lie, i really miss buying those card price mags and going through my collection. I really miss magazines as a whole
@@Trashloot As always adults find a way to mess with things that weren't originally made for their demographic lol
It's a natural progression and goes back to the original reason money was invented. To replace bartering.
Underrated comment
I was gonna comment but you said all there needs to be said.
ok capitalist
@@christopherb501 ?
Yet bartering continues to be on the rise. Look at how stingy people are when they know somebody who can do some thing that might cost them a few hundred dollars to get done otherwise. They want the work done at less than 1/10 of the rate a lot of the time, Just because they know you personally. I think people need to start respecting other people’s time and property with a little more compensation other than regular money if it isn’t some thing that you can bring to the table to barter with. Many collectibles value, is increasing at a much, much higher rate than the value of cash in a savings account, screw cash because all it’s doing right now is making people devalue everyone else’s stock.
I tried trading cards at school. Teacher caught us and took our whole decks and shoved them in her desk. Im not sure why trading stuff was taboo but it wasn't just cards. Silly bands, lunch, anything. We hid at the back of the playground and exchanged cards like we were dealing drugs. I am still so confused to this day.
Its forbidden because it can cause a toxic environment for kids. Empire and bullies can be formed as well as blackmailing
@@user-vl8ck4gz6w I'm glad teacher stole my cards instead of a bully
Because there was always complaining about cards being stolen or gone missing and the teachers having to stop the class to scold a bunch of kids playing detective for cards that their parents payed $100s on while trying to do their jobs.
You hit the nail on the head on this topic! My locals still have people that trade but there are a few people that clearly try to rip people off and lie about values. That's why I I've always played meta/antimeta and hang out with the casual players. They are much nicer and even though it's standard to make sure we get fair valued trades, it feels like the old days when it comes to trading. we get fair values for everyone, if a card is less than $1 you just call it $1 and you make the trade is as even as possible.
But there's another side that people seem to never talk about when it comes to trading... YOU CAN SAY NO! I've seen time and time again where my friends get ripped off by people and then they try to justify the price difference in the most self damaging ways possible. If people wouldn't let themselves get ripped off, this kind of thing wouldn't happen as much. Have some back bone and say "NO! That is not what my card is worth, you can look it up and if you don't like it screw off!". remember that if they are clearly trying to rip you off... they aren't there to be your friend. they just want to use you to make money.
Also a side note.. do you guys remember when people would actually ask to pay MORE for cards in cash because they were right there and you wouldn't need to order them? because I do! now everyone wants like 80% tcgplayer and that's so dumb. Less being pushed around and more backbone is what we need!
I don't get why you don't like paying 80% of TCG Low? Its a deal and honestly if someone wanted more I would just order it. Only gotta wait like a day or two for the card to arrive. You area creating incentive for someone to buy the card from you instead of using a large company to get what they want.
I've taken hits on cards I dont play just to get stuff I want. Sure I might have ate a 20% loss but I dont really miss my gold super polymerization, or my God cards lol
@@ninetails15000 Hey! read my comment in full! People used to pay MORE if the card was right in front of you! But why would I want to sell a card to someone that offers me %20 less?? That's insane and if you do that in person you're a piece of garbage. And there is NO way you're getting cards every time 2 days after you order them. that's a straight up exaggeration and you know it. it's always 5-15 days which is insane.
@@arbogast4950 Sounds like you're just used to getting financially pounded. You should read the second paragraph if you need help on learning how to say no to people that undervalue your cards.
I let this kid look through my binder for Buys and he went
"That's $1, That's $1 , That's $1" just pointing at all my cards saying they were worth a Dollar and then i laughed and took the binder away. He was trying to buy $20 cards for a Dollar....
That's a haggler
A dollar is ridiculous I hate when people do that. However, let’s be fair. Even if your card is priced at $20 you always gotta keep in mind most card shops wouldn’t buy the card back for $20, only 70%. So it’s truly just a $14 dollar card.
I always tell people at locals they should always value/price cards at the buyback value.
Cardboard shouldn't be expensive, blame Konami for short printing cards
@@Weareonenation303 while I agree. Every card game has a value and some level of short printing
@@JohnnyVasquez8 my shop local does 50%
Not YGO, but a few years ago at my locals I remember trading a $10 pokemon card to a kid for basically a card worth less than 20 cents. A lot of the older players in the shop were calling me an idiot for doing so but I didn't care. The $10 card was going out of rotation soon so it would have dropped on price anyways, and the kid had just started playing so he didn't have any expensive cards. The kid was happy to get the card and build his first deck so price didnt matter to me.
You’re a cool guy
I agree that trading has faded away since people want every card brand new. No one wanted to use anyone else's cards.
I just buy cards because I want to play the effects. Not into the buying cards for profit thing.
@@seekertosecretsI buy them purely cause I like looking at them. The pictures. Reading the effects. And just having them. And I play online only except for friends. Still buy the cards tho. Just to collect them. For me. And my obsession.
Another reason is the fact that when we used to trade it was because we didn't have money to buy the cards we wanted. So we were forced to trade. When we were younger we didn't understand or care about the money involved in the game as we got older we understood the importance.
Adults ruin everything. lol
The thing that bothers me the most is that staples are almost impossible to get through trading. Take Pot of Prosperity for example. Most people who have that card have at most 3 copies. There is no point in having more than that especially when the card is as expensive as it is. That also means that the card isn't really up for trade because people just see it as a $100 note so you either buy it or you have to trade like $140 worth of cards for it if you can even find someone who has one up for trade. The card just goes into almost any deck so there is never a moment when someone has that card but doesn't have a deck to play it in.
See I’m the weirdo and if I’m after something specific near the value of something someone is chasing, I just match value or if the card is cheap.. I will trade a card for a card.. people let the price card of everything make them forget the reason we began this hobby
Why would you have to trade 140 worth of cards for it? Anyone I've seen with an extra pot of prosperity has been willing to move them for less than 100.
I wish trading was more of a budget option of getting cards rather than buying them with money
See I'm the weird collector
If I see any Hero or Crystal Beast card it's a must have for me I don't care about rarity anymore if I lose value or off a specific trade I don't care as long as the person I traded with is happy that they got the card they need from me
Unless your a twin and need a certain cards etc. Evenly, impermance you need to have more then 1 playset sharing is hard
There's something a bit sad about losing the T in TCG.
still better than sports cards,though. you can't even play those,so they are just TC.
@@JT5555 well yugioh is getting up there in price lol, I think lightning storm recently shot up to 90 dollars.
Much like everything else these, it's just CG.
Well... the T no longer trading, but transaction
I don’t trust people enough I’m convinced they’d try and swindle me lol happened the first time I tried it as a 7 year old and I still get annoyed by it 20 years later 😂
That’s not healthy..
@@bloodarcher7841 im still salty about shit when i was little tf lmfaooo its not like im fuckin cryin about it every day
@@bloodarcher7841 its not healthy to think about it everyday, but if you're reminded of a time u got wronged, and get mad for a second. Then thats totally normal. I got my og deck stolen when I was 10 and im now madder then ever knowing how expensive some of those cards got 15 years later. I don't think about it until ppl bring up getting ripped off or having cards stolen, then I get mad for a second remembering tht I got wronged.
@@ScottieDo I feel like your name kinda explains the approach you should take here haha
@@jadegrace1312 aight lose almost 2k worth of a possession that also has sentimental value and then just forget about it and never get annoyed if you're reminded of it. See how tht works for u lol
Sometimes I really miss the old days of trading when I was a kid and prices didn't factor in so much
I think a good thing about having a group of friends is that trading is still possible. You and your friends will open a box and trade cards that you all want/need which makes it easier and more fun to buy product with friends.
Since I mostly collect Yugioh cards, I trade a lot at my local shop. Knowing prices lets me get a bunch of cards for expensive ultra rares that I pull doubles of. I remember pulling two Dryton Novas and trading one copy for most of the cards I was missing from Genesis Impact.
As someone trying to come back in to the game, I just assumed no one traded. I'm not really interested in trading myself, generally, but for these reprint sets, like Legendary Duelists Season 1 and 2, and Dragons of Legend: The Complete Series, I wish I had someone to to trade my duplicates with so I can fill the holes in my collection binder(s).
The last time I tried to play at my locals again I needed a harpie's feather duster and an imperial order. I brought my binder that had $800 worth of cards so I was sure I'd be able to trade for them. But when I got there and started asking to trade, everyone told me that they don't trade staples. So if I want staples I just have to buy them myself I guess. So much for trading to save money
U shud be able to get imperial order easily, its cheap common rarity like 1$
@Ramon Lopez They did have spares though. When we looked through our binders and pointed out what cards we want, I told them that I needed those cards and they said they wouldn't trade them because they are staples.
@@shadowdraqon2479 I was pretty pissed about them not trading those cards to me so I ended up buying a 1st edition Pharaoh's Servant Imperial Order in great condition. I also got a WC4 Harpie's Feather Duster as well as 4 copies of Harpie's Feather Duster from SDD. If I had to spend money I figured I might as well get some nice ones
@@rossomex12 I ALWAYS hated that, why even have them in a trade binder if they weren't gonna trade them.
@@zak8340 Probably by the off chance someone stops by with a starlight rare.
Trading is definitely still here!
One person's cards are just green...
And rectangular...
And made of paper...
so are these luxury cardboard rectangles
As a backpack vendor, I'm so thankful for the nature of trading. I feel trading gets a bad wrap, yes there are predatory people, but first and foremost this is a TCG. When i was 17 and broke; Not Only Was This A Hobby To Get Out Of The House, It Helped Me Be Financially Stable. I'm so grateful for Trading Card Games. Most AMAZING deals done are at a 5 dollar plus for me, but to a kid thats literally lunch for the day.
5 dollars is so negligent in this day and age, but to a person who grew up with nothing. It's literally life. I've only been successful because i'm dilligently trading FAIRLY and also a reliable source for great value cards because I put out high value. If I Personally want a card, I will neg around up to 10 dollars for a low trade. My 45$ card for a 35$ card IS GOLD !!! I'd rather not spend 35$ by losing 10$. Thiis has died in TCG.
The entitlement people have of wanting to buy every single card at 80-85% of tcgplayer is retarded and toxic to the communiy
For me it comes down to the situation. For my close friends I will literally just give them cards or take huge 'negs' so they can get cards they need because it goes both ways, and its part of supporting each other in the game. At locals, with people that I see every week and know on a first name basis, I will want more of a fair trade but it doesnt need to be super even. At regional events and otherwise, I usually don't trade as much and when I do it needs to be pretty much down to the dollar and only on market prices.
Yea I do the same sometimes, I have a larger pool of cards stored that I don't really plan on using compared to my friends who don't have that since I've invested more into the game and every once in a while my friends will be using a deck that could use a card I have (usually not high value, at most like a $5 card or something) and I take a neg and just give it to them since its more valuable in their deck than in my storage box collecting dust.
I think something that ties into this is the structure of recent sets where there's a specific handful of chase cards everyone's looking for and most of the rest of the set is of no interest to people not already obsessed with a specific archetype. When everyone is looking for the same cards, and no one wants the rest of the cards, no one has anything to offer to anyone else.
"Trading"?
Good sir, that is a word from the forgotten language of times past.
I have never and probably will never buy a single card. it has always felt wrong to me. If i dont pull it or trade for it, its not mine.
This is why you will never build a competitive Tier 1 Deck. If you trade the card is not yours either, you didnt pull it lmao
I dont really trade much persay, but I have been giving some of my collection recently to my sister. I'm hoping that it might encourage her to maybe build her own deck at some point. I imagine there'd be a lot more trading if more people were just getting into the game casually again. Trading tends to happen more on the casual level anyways, usually between friends or family.
In stark contrast, card prices usually develop based on how good a card is on the competitive level. Its why buying and selling cards (or trading based on monetary value) is probably so prominent in a tournament setting.
The only thing I can think of that would bring trading to a more casual place is if the cards were less expensive. So yeah, never gonna happen.
I remember those good old days. I would trade two cards for two cards, if anything we only cared about them being holos or if not just throwing in something extra. I remember we had a rule, 1 holo was worth 2 common cards, now I know we were idiots, but that innocence is something that I miss dearly
me trading cards with friends and family*
secondary market- hello there
yeah, i'm a recent return to the game, from waaaay back, and while i haven't met anyone in person since returning, i always thought that trading HAD to be different now with the ability to look up the prices so easily these days. i definitely don't get the same satisfaction from buying cards as i did back when we traded, but back then we were all kids, and barely anyone knew the cards had pricetags, other than the packs we bought them in. sad times..
trading,by default has a MUCH different vide to it than just buying cards because it's the simple act of "i have something you need and you have something i need so let's trade" that leads to BOTH players walking away happy. once you start selling cards,though it becomes just a side hussle and sucks the innocence out of it because now you're not two players helping each other: you're just doing business.
I've played since 2012 and have only made four trades.
I traded a Dracossack for a Big Eye. Great fit with Trags in Blaster Boxers.
I traded a RYMP secret Cyber Dragon for two copies of #8 Heraldry Something.
I traded a whole Boxer core for a Ghost rare Solemn Judgement.
And I traded two copies of BE Alternative just before his reprint for a big stack of Tenyi and Orcust cards.
In each case, both players were satisfied, so no regrets.
Trading has mostly gone by for all the adult players. While I recognize the utility of the online markets and how they have made easier for all people to see the value of each individual card, I also become more worried about what is in the future of this (and basically all tcgs) game.
Back in 2010-2011 I remember trading on RUclips was a big deal. I miss that
I think there are two main reasons why trading is dead: 1. We are (most of us) adults now so why would I trade my card for a card I need/want when I can simply spend money on it?
2. We live in the age of internet and with the click of a button we find the card we need nomatter how short printed it is. I bought a copy of the plunder patroll fusion card the other day from a seller in Canada(I live in UK). Thanks to sites specifically designed to give you the best deal you're making sure to get your card without being ripped off(as far as that's possible). There's simply no need to go through hundreds of local binders and boxes of used/damaged cards to look for something you need and then HOPE you have something that the owner wants!
Also, trading can be fun for kids but I also remember the drama involved with unfair trades, kids being bullied into trading their favourite cards, others being told 'you're making a great trade!' when you're actually being scammed out of your best cards!(kids can be evil) Let's be honest it is so much easier nowadays and more "fair" when you're able to check prices and availability online to make sure you're not being scammed. But I still trade with close friends(before Covid-19) whenever I pulled some cards they needed (more like give away) and they do the same for me.
I hate hearing that all my childhood nostalgia based franchises are being turned into stocks and being scalped. it's not about the passion and enjoyment of games anymore. everything is about business and making money. it's sad.
I remember back before syncros and all the fancy stuff me and my friend group would just trade things we needed to eachother without caring about value. That died as did the ability to get into the game casually with how expensive some staples can get. It wasn't perfect back then but it was something and I miss that something and the times I enjoyed spending time dueling and trading with by buds...
I once traded an entire roid starter deck for a red eyes b. Chick, red eyes black dragon and red eyes darkness Dragon. Ah, to be a kid without worries again.
I used to love trading back in the day value was never a thing in my circle we traded just based on art or arch type alone I miss those day wish cards were a game and not a way to make a second mortgage payment lol I literally give cards to my friends without a second thought of what its worth these games should never have been about the money but the fun and time you spend with friends
I’ll mention Pokémon trading card game online. You do not have the ability to purchase singles. You can buy packs or post trade offers.
If you look though the list of trades, almost all of them will be the user offering a pile of random common cards for a particular rare card. You might accept that and then post a trade using those common for a rare card you want. Even when users couldn’t use an actual currency, they effectively just used common cards as their currency to purchase the rarer cards.
Oh Paul of the great Yugitubers, what is your wisdom?
Paul:"Yu-Gi-Oh trading has nearly disappeared"
Me: "That is good wisdom"
It's a similar thing going on in the sneaker culture. People only buy sneakers for the reseller value not because they like them.
Trading is really weird in the modern game. I once saw a vendor at a YCS let borrelsword go for like $40 worth of cards back when it was $60 on TCGPlayer. At that same event a dude was trying to get knightmare Phoenix from me for two time thief cards. The only way to “fix” trading is to tank card prices so people are more willing to part with cards if they’re not immediately going to use them.
Yugioh needs a draft format proper I feel.
Back in the day everyone was running fake cards and we didn't even know better. It's all that was available for sale in the shops around so we all assumed they weren't fake. All we did was trade and money got mentioned only if you refuse to trade for the card. Why? Because if money is involved you have a chance of getting it from a new deck.
I don't know how things are like nowadays. I know for sure that we've learned which cards are fake and I've found places the sell the official cards, but I haven't gotten in contact with the local community. The only time I got in contact with it was because the same place was organizing a Tekken 7 tournament and behind all the fighting game players were a few tables of people playing Yu-Gi-Oh and I remember spotting a group of 3 people going through their binders and talking trades.
I guess we miss hanging out with the crew in the school yard, finding trouble - never looking too hard. Back at class they never taught us this*, but some things we gotta learn hit'n'miss.
*the way a maturing player base, growing comprehension of monetary values, the ongoing evolution of the internet & information technologies, and international communication & trade available to even the average civilian, would collectively affect the economy of a trading card game.
When i was at school i traded my spare blue eyes for a kids Jinzo but since blue eyes had more attack i convinced him to give me another card which was a Holo monster reborn.
He was older than me so no guilt :D
I just checked my locals out for the first time today because I had someone that I wanted to trade with. He was cool enough to throw in an extra card I liked with the trade so I gave him one he was interested as a thank you because he was super cool about it. I knew the value was higher at the time and I know he was throwing the card in to even out the trade a little more, but I wanted to keep the essence and enjoyment of trading going so I returned the favor. It felt good and it was cool. It was like I was trading when I was younger.
Thanks for addressing this Paul. So many people are seeing it as an investment and are not focusing on the sentimental uniqueness of trading card games. Some of my favorite trades have been ones with friends that we both love the card and appreciate the trade. Then using that card is like how Yu-Gi for example used Joey's Red-Eyes in Battle city. You have their heart in your cards.
It kinda always was that way when I was playing competitively. I remember Jerks being like "the card is 20 dollars cash, 30 in trades"
hey Paul I'll trade you one pot of greed for one blue eyes white dragon no take backs 👀 lol
I think trades happen if you are younger and aren't taking things seriously. from 2002 till 06 me and my friends did trades idk how it is nowadays though.
Your literally just buying the card off the person by handing them money, it isn't a trade the moment you hand them money for the card, it than becomes a purchase.
@@TobikunOuO????
@@TobikunOuO way to not read the original post.
This is very true Paul. When I decided to go from casual to competitive that was a bridge I was not prepared to cross when I want to ask my buddies to trade and I feel like a jerk.
The Vanguard Overdress shortage was actually a good thing for our local community cause we spent the entire first Overdress locals trading.
It also helps that almost the whole set is playable. Everything is important in that set, enough so that I'm splitting a case with someone once the reprint is available.
I’ve never been big on trading, because back then, everybody was out to plus and rip off someone, and always come out on top on the deal. And if you weren’t that way, you were the one getting ripped off, or simply didn’t trade. Now that monetary values of cards have become so strictly defined, and there just generally being easier ways to get what you need with less of a hassle of dealing with the aforementioned individuals, it’s no wonder it’s dead.
I see two obstacles for trading:
1 People don't think of card games (in general) as games; only as money in a different shape.
2 Bad product design. I don't have the time or space to explain everything here (go watch Khodok's videos if you are interested) but in general terms: Packs and Structure Decks have too many cards you don't care about and the good staples only come at to high rarity for you to have enough for trading.
The second main reason I hate the internet; 3rd party resellers.
I did a trade recently for Digimon, where I traded an alt art MetalGreymon (worth about $30 at the time) for four BT1 Agumon which were about $5 total. The dude I was trading with was super surprised that I didn't want something "more expensive," but I told him that the value didn't matter to me because he got a card he really wanted and I got some cards I really wanted.
Should I have asked for more? I mean, probably. But at the end of the day, if I get something I really need the monetary value is "mostly" insignificant. Hell most of the time, me and my friends will trade cards just to trade. While we factor in value for some more expensive cards, most of the time we'll just trade cards for cards because that's the point of a trading card game lol
I am with you good sir. I miss the old school trades. The simple harpies brother(back before it was sky scout) for la jinn trades. This video is organic. Well said.
Here in Bolivia people rarely trade, we instead just buy and sell cards from each other using prices from pages such as Troll & Toad as reference and even the local shop owners encourage this. It was weird when my friends who went to Europe and the US told me that it was more common to trade more than buy and sell as we do here in my country. Seems everything is changing
Me and my 2 friends buy packs together and we divide what we pull with each other, and if one of us buys a box set (my one friend just recently bought a Maximum gold box) he pulled 2 dragon maids and he knew I liked them he gave them too me, we don’t usually trade beyond just swapping between each other because we don’t care about what we pull that much, even if it’s a Secret or Ultra rare we still give them to each other because we know what each other likes
I mean Trading at our locals has mostly disappeared cause of Covid. But since its all opening back up again i do hope we can all get back together again and play & Trade
If me and my 1 of my 2 friends who still play pull a card which fits into the other guy's deck and it's less than 3 €, we don't even bother trading and just give it to him. I stopped trading at local like 6 years ago lol
It is sad in some sense, but i also think its just a natural thing to happen for a couple of reasons. Cards in general are a lot more accessable, not only because most of us now have a stable income of our own and dont rely on pocket money or on the generosity of our parents. But the mediums through which we can aquire cards are also more accessable. Back then as a kid, i was only able to afford the occassional pack or maybe even a tin if i got a good grade in school. Buying a full booster box wasnt an option because of the lack of money (and the impatients to save up lol) and buying singles online wasnt an option either because i didnt have internet until like 8th grade. And that was the case for pretty much all of my friends, so we had to make due with what had and trading was an essential part of that.
Nowadays you have easy access to the internet and websites entirely dedicated to purchase/sell trading cards. Not only do you know what the cards are worth, you can also make sure to get your moneys worth for your cards or the ones you want to aquire. We couldnt really do that back in the days, so we had no choice but to trade.
Obviously there are positives and negatives to the whole thing. I do miss the sensation of a good, satisfying trade for both parties. But i also enjoy that i can very easily research what my cards are worth to minimize the risk of making an unfavorable trade and that im no longer limited to my own cardpool and the one of my friends/the people i meet at local game stores. If im completely honest to myself, even though i kinda miss trading, if it came down to it, id prefer just buying what i need.
I have just as many memories about trading back in the day as playing in tourneys, the good and the bad
I personally use TCGPLAYER as a price monitor or a last minute purchase from home so I don’t have to waste money on boosters. However, I have a lot of picky customers in my area that only want present day/meta-like cards and it’s been cramping my style as well as my binders. I always bring my binders to events regardless of circumstances
I kinda feel like rarities should be tradable with each other. Secret rare for a secret rare, super for super etc etc
You right but it depends on the person, me and my homies are well aware of card costs and stuff but when we go and get packs together we still just do old school trades based on cards we like or know the other dudes lookin out for it’s part of the fun man and nothing can buy the look on your mates face when you pull a card there after and just straight offer it to them, spread the love guys!
I never had this problem at my locals.
Everyone at my local always had (and I say "had" because I haven't been to locals in over a year because the virus.) A binder or even multiple binders full of stuff for trade. We'd spend more time trading than actually playing.
Except this one dude that always carried this mini binder with like 15 cards and it's all super high value stuff that he doesn't want to trade anyway. Always confused me why he even bothered carrying it, much less letting people look through it.
it's not just YuGiOh. every card game past i'd say 2004 has no "trading" market. Hell, I played magic growing up in the 00s and I don't remember ever trading a single card. My friends either just gave me the cards they didn't want, or I bought them for like $1
Maybe it was because my area is more competitive, but this was never the case. Back when I really started going to locals 2012-2013, everyone had a phone already, everyone was trying to get that edge in trades. The rush was trying to go up on a trade. But now, as an adult playing this game, why should I try and nickel and dime and haggle when I just have disposable income. Heck, I've just been selling things out of a "trade" binder this year cause it makes more sense for me with how wide card values are right now.
Honestly, you have a point. Trading has gone and it's sad. I know I play dragon link and I've been trying to find dragonmaid chambers and nobody wants to trade. I have good trades that equal in that card's value but nobody wants to trade it. It's like, what's the point of having these expensive cores and cards if you don't want to trade? I can understand you on selling it but if you got something I need and I got something you need, both of equal value. Why don't we trade?
Paul is so close to reading Marx and realizing why trading is dead, and what would be necessary for that to change
Paul, what you gotta understand is these cards have ALWAYS had monetary value. As children, they were our currency. Nothing really has changed. We are still "trading" per se. It's just that instead of giving you one of my cards I'm giving you something else I own: Money. Money that essentially equates to the value of a certain card. Now, personally, at my locals they don't allow us to buy cards and require trading. This tends to help in keeping that old school feel (though personally I find it unnecessary. All to his own though.)
They banned trading (all TCGs) at my son's school because too many parents were getting upset at older kids taking advantage of the younger (or less experienced) kids, myself included. It was genuinely upsetting seeing him come home with a handful of bulk in exchange for his prized holo. "My friend told me it was a fair trade."
I don't really go to card shops too much. The closest shop to my place, the owner can be shitty if you don't buy everything through him. However the people I play with at work are all pretty decent. We will trade and just give cards to each other. It's a nice little setup we have.
I think pokemon still has a decent trade scene, mostly because there's so many good tool cards that are easily available for the game and most of the big chase cards are reprints in a higher rarity so price is more flexible.
This is pretty much true for all trading card games. The internet killed the need to trade cards.
Kevin if you're watching this, our inside joke has come true. Yu-gi-oh the trading card game... Nonono Yu-gi-oh the gimme card game. Giveme giveme giveme.
Yea nearly but oftentimes tho, i do trade with friends, cause even you know that you're losing money, you somehow just want your friends to be happy so they keep playing the game
Trading can be a bit limiting sometimes. So if I have a playset of Droplets and want to trade those for a playset of say Proserity, do I look around my whole locals for someone with exactly that or do I just sell the Droplets and go buy my Prosperities online? Or sometimes it’s frustrating where someone posts a card you need online and when you ask they’re like “it’s only for trade” when you want to buy it off them. Like they can just take that money and buy the card they need. Instead I have to either I buy it off someone else or try scramble together cards to match the value. I understand when someone will only trade for a card you’re selling because they don’t actually have the money but they have the value in cards.
I remember in my elementary/junior high days I will trade stacks of cards I didn’t want for blue eyes and other ultra rare‘s kids had. I actually knew they weren’t getting a good deal but they always excepted 😅
Playing yugioh as a child: I got some cards for my birth day i wonder what deck i could build. Oh i should see if i could trade with my friends.
Playing yugioh as an adult: I think i play the 300 Dollar Deck and probably beat any deck up to 500 Dollars.
I wonder why Konami still prints Booster Packs. They should just sell singles at whatever price they want.
Yu-Gi-Oh will eventually face an aging player base with little to no new blood if a new entry point doesn't take off hopefully Rush Duels will take this role
I have a sinking feeling Rush Duels will fall off just as fast as Speed Duels, Konami's other attempt at simplifying the game for new players.
Well, it’s magic the gathering is anything to go by that means there’s at least a decade left
@@defectivesickle5643 actually RUSH duels is doing very well in japan etc, the game is made for younger kids to understand, because it is actually impossible for a 9 to 12 year old to understand the master rule game due to their limited attention span. And that is just due to their brain being in the early stages of development still.
@@TobikunOuO Source?
As a matter of fact, I literally traded for an ultimate rare halquifibrax and 2 warning points last night and I have a trade pending for evenly matched and a dragon ruler feild center.
This hot take is absolutely not true. The trade community is super live in discord, go in any big remote duel server and you’ll see they have a very active trade tab. I even trade entires decks online.
For those that live in places outside of the US: are the experiences that Paul talked about in the video the same for you in your country?
What I miss is when you’d had a card beat to shit and you can tell it’s seen some duels and that was awesome. Now if it has a tiny ding or scratch it’s worthless
I feel like yugioh has always a transitional nature to it. In the past few years it’s become increasingly exaggerated. I remember “market watch” content not being a thing in the YugiTube community. That definitely helped create a shift in culture.
I try n give people a couple dollars off since cards fluctuate but for example one week at locals this guy had most of the HEROS I needed for a HEROS deck I was interested in building and at the time was my second locals so we agreed next week I’d come with a trade binder since he had his and I did not. Ended up trading a couple exosister cards a emergency teleport and wondering gryphon rider for pretty much the core of my deck. I got around 10 cards with only one or two dollar singles and the rest 30-65 to 80-ish cents each. While discussing the trade I could have easily price checked the cards and got a fuller value but in my mind since I got the core of my deck from the trade and could now upgrade my poor excuse of a HEROS deck to be more competitive/actually functional, nit picking over 3 bucks or some extra commons I could have gotten didn’t make sense. Prices move up n down as you know so being thoughtful I priced each card a lil less than the current value and try to each trade so people don’t get a bad taste in their mouths after the trade and can have some wiggle room if or when they Trade or sell those cards, plus helps insure people will be more fond and positive engaging in discussions on possible trades instead of secretly hating you for being sheisty and avoiding any future deals. But facts I try and buy sealed to help the only good card shop here stay open and buy singles online only when I’m forced too because the rush of not knowing what you’ll pull is apart of the experience and you just don’t get the same feeling placing a order and yea supporting local shops is very important as well as the company who make the dang cards on some horror movie vibes “In a world where Konami went bankrupt and no longer produces yugioh! cause people stopped buying sealed n only bought from second hand markets that ironically made supply of singles eventually nonexistent and any relic of yugiohs past became collectible” lol that would suck
Went to my first locals today. Got a few decent trades, I problably got ripped off but I honestly am just trying to have fun. So I don't mind to much. Thankfully I got a double evolution pill and 3 scrap raptors and a abyss dweller for the deck I'm trying to finish.
Why does my mind floats towards what probably misguided understanding I have of NFTs when 3:09-5:42 is said ?
I personally prefer it having price tags on everything, this being said though since I'm in Aus and it cost an arm and a leg to ship a card over from tcgplayer to here, while we look at the tcgplayer prices, we still tend to do more trades than not. The price tags help with making sure people don't scam others out of good cards, while we technically aren't allowed to hand money over to other players at our lgs, it still happens and everyone around checks to make sure no one is getting ripped off
Many people, especially older players, are more interested in making a profit than going even. I'm always down to trade value for value, but people would rather trade their 10 dollar card for 14 dollars worth of cards than simply be generous enough to trade value for value. That, or they just don't trade and sell. I also like selling and buying, especially between my friends since we typically give each other better deals, but I do miss the days when it was as simple as "I have x you want, you have y I want, let's trade!"
Sometimes I'll trade newer players cards I have that they want for things that I want regardless of how much less value it's worth, but I know I'm just being the exception, not the rule.
We need a full length aps podcast
I first started playing yugioh when the Kaiba and yugi structure decks came out. I can remember several times trading cards but it was never extremely common in my experience. For me I always remember trading and selling cards between each other in card shops being banned. I could understand selling between each other but the ban on trading was always weird, plus you could just go outside to trade, sell, or buy. But to summarize selling was always more common than trading cards.
I think the other part of it is that metas and tier lists are so clearly defined nowadays. The "value" of a card is not only its price tag but also its worth in the current and perceivable future meta. I think YGO has become a lot more about the competitive and less about the sit down at a coffee table and just slam out a game for fun type thing.
No one's going to trade their $300 of tier 1 cards for $300 of tier 2/rogue cards. They're getting the same financial value but as far as playability is concerned they're lowering their ceiling and getting cards that are harder to trade for something else.
I would say historically speaking I've been discouraged from trading because I don't have any of the chase or collector cards people really want, cause everything else can just be picked up at an LGS or on TCGPlayer.
Back in 06-07 dudes would trade half their binder for a Cyber Dragon lol buying boosters and getting that dopamine effect was the fun of it. Now we just buy the cards we need online or at a comic shop.
Love those 10min topic videos, keep it up! :D
Trading is definitely not dead it's just at the point where people will like to have fair trades. Almost everyone has a trade binder and my area is all about trading than buying.
Also there's also a theory that whenever money is involved it replaces any form of trading that was once there
It hasn’t died, it evolved.
You trade cards you don’t need for money, and you trade in that money for cards you want.
That’s called selling and buying
I think trading does still exist but we’re just better at it. But I feel it in the U.K. and Europe as a whole it was maintained due to the fact cardmarket actively stops buyouts and in the U.K. Facebook trading groups are a lot prevalent here too so we do avoid paying fees but me exclusively for vending I just try to trade up from supers up to high end ultis and starlights as they’re a lot easier to get full value on those
Honestly I never liked trading. At points I liked it if it was close friends but if I’m getting a card I’d much rather buy it or “trade” and pay the difference although I stopped playing a few years ago so that has affected my stance. Being just a collector now I still get what you’re saying I have plenty of cheaper cards that I value more for sentimental reasons than some of my more valuable ones. It’s was the more casual relaxed feel the game had. There wasn’t so many scalpers and people focused solely on the monetary aspect and making a quick buck. I think that was just life in general it had a less of an intense and competitive feel. Although maybe it was the fact we were younger or kids as well as as seeing it with rose tinted lenses. I know I often find myself longing for that relaxed casual feel again in both yugioh and life as a whole.
I never traded cards. It was always easier to buy them. If you have a trade binder, it justmeans you just have a whole bunch of shit that you don't need/aren't gonna use/ extras. It's why I don't buy boxes. I just buy what I need and stuff I might need.
i don't trade anymore, for the exact reason like I'm looking for a card and a person has it and they just want full value for a card. like, have had so many trades fall through because of a like $1 difference, if I'm going to try and get cards for what they are worth on tcg player, ill just buy them.