Yes, Disney Princesses Do Need Romance - by M.V.P.Knight
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2024
- Disney Princess films haven't been great in recent years and at least one of the reasons why is pretty obvious. In this video, I definitely prove that romance and Disney princes should be included in Disney Princess films.
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For me the issue feels like the idea of Wish had romance, due to early storyboards. I understand things get cut, but this feels like it gutted the whole aspect of the movie and something was missing, some passion. I was always the kid that hated how each Disney had romance and was one of those that just wanted a guy/girl friendship or just w/e. But now the problem is 'no' romance which isn't what I wanted, I wanted diversity. Having no romance is not diversity.
Movies like Raya, Moana, and Encanto didn't need a romance because the themes they explored were plenty and juicy. Wish feels gutted with no passion, its biggest theme feels like "overthrow governments you don't agree with through force" which...okay...I just don't think Wish had the setting for that narrative (Rosas looks pretty happy to me). But you look at movies like Hunchback and see why this needs to be. You see the vile, and the pure lack of human decency on a fundamental survival level. Heck for movies like Pocahontas and Encanto the theme isn't to go to war, war is hell on both sides and Encanto gave so much sympathy to the idea that people with bad actions or thoughts aren't evil, but need to confronted when it starts to hurt others. Encanto is literally family therapy the movie and you see in the movie the hard work she does to communicate with her family. Wish misses all that subtle feelings for a "go against the king' narrative that feels so wrong to be apart of when Wish did too good of a job making the villain likable. And not likeable in a Jaffar or scar way.
Wanting diversity: that's an opinion I can respect. PERSONALLY, I would like a love interest for each princess, but I can handle a single princess every once in a while. I think a story can have non-romantic central themes and tie romance into those themes. For example, Encanto is about family, so Mirabel could have had a love interest her family didn't approve of or a love interest who has a healthier family dynamic that Mirabel can compare hers to. But again, wanting variety is a respectable position.
Also, yes, Wish did a horrible job with the villain and story. Well said.
As an aroace, I can attest that even us robots like romance (edit:) entertainment.
I feel so validated. Thank you for vouching for me.
Omg! Same! I’m aroace but I am so TIRED of the lack of or no romance.
@@ashebennett7726 Similarly, I don't go around fighting people, but I would like more action scenes and villain deaths.
I'm Aroace too and even though I'm not the biggest fan of romance, I don't deny the fact we all need some meaningful relationships in our lives, romantic or platonic. Independence does not equal to being an island basically.
Honestly I don’t mind a bit romance in Disney films, I just wished the princess weren’t teenagers and the prince wasn’t punching 30!
How dare he punch 30?! What did 30 do to warrant being punched?
None of the princes were punching 30. They were roughly around the same age or close.
Its was a rumor answer princess then were married at 12
Disney can still create good even healthy romances as long as they're not all just about seeking a unobtainable unrealistic "Happily ever after" just as platonic relationships deserve to have the spotlight as much as romantic ones like Anna & Elsa's sisterhood, in Wish they maybe could have still have Star Boy included and remove all the dwarf-friends but Dahlia as Asha's closest confidant.
Yeah, Asha's friend group didn't amount to much.
I have never had a problem with romance in Disney films. It is possible to make a fully fleshed out character who falls in love. One of the best examples I can think of is Aladdin and Jasmine, 2 well developed characters who have their own dreams and find the fulfillment of those dreams through their love for each other.
Well said.
Honestly imagine this a disney movie the lead was a prince with a dream ofmaking his father peouns or something ans falls inlive with a commoner through the journey
It would be nice to have a Disney Prince film? 🥺💖. Like someone young boys could look up to,
That's a great idea.
We kind of had that with Aladdin, Hercules, Tarzan.
When I found out about the earlier concepts from Wish, that we could have had an anthropomorphic star boy, a romance between him and Asha, and also a villain couple!! We've been robbed!!
We were. We need to get a better security system, so we don't get rubbed like this again.
5:02 That's true. I can't remember a single male character's name except John Smith. Not because his name is easy to remember, because he was played by Mel Gibson.
I don't think that romance is essential to Disney Princess/Disney movies. BUT I think if you're going to not have one, the other relationships and elements need to be done well enough to compensate. Ariel doesn't start the movie wanting Eric, she starts it wanting to be human and Eric is what pushes her want to more of a need. Even then, she's still planning on seeing him as a mermaid and only has the thought of really becoming human given to her by Ursula who turns Eric's affections towards her into a need that then drives the rest of the movie. So at the end when they do get together, it feels deserved cause they're given enough narrative weight cause we've watched this girl make goo goo eyes at him for three days and he's pretty into her once he spends some time with her. In the early movies, it's a simple fairy tale and the romance is what 2 of the princesses are already dreaming of and 1 who gets it as a happy accident. The Renaissance films wove the romance into the narrative as an end goal for a lot of the protagonists and even for both Belle and Mulan it's still a happy accident that they end up in relationships with The Beast and Shang. I remember really loving Zootopia cause the relationship between Judy and Nick was very well thought out and while they're not lovers, they still have a strong friendship. I think they tried for that in Moana but I didn't think her relationship with Maui was very compelling. I'm not sure if any of this made sense, I'm typing it out after a long day and my brain is fried 🙃
Long story short, tldr, even if they're not giving us romances, i think they need to work harder to make the other relationships hold more weight in the stories moving forward
What 👏 about 👏 ELEMENTAL 👏?!
I kind of liked Elemental. I didn't bring it up in this video because Elemental is a Pixar movie and the Disney Princess films are from Walt Disney Animation Studios. Maybe I should have brought that distinction up though.
@@m.v.p.knight Notice how in Elemental, Ember (a female character) is very flawed and Wade (a male character) is practically a Mary Sue. Ember is not quirky and “omg I’m so different from everyone”, she is a grinch who is unhappy and unpleasant to be around. Then Wade comes into her life and fixes her. Every Disney feminist writer’s worst nightmare.
@@djmutt2000 Well said. I think that Amber's character works because her bitterness is portrayed as something she needs to grow out of. Also, Wade is a little lacking in drive until he meets Amber, so it's nice that the fixing kind of goes both ways.
liked wish but i love Romance
I'm glad you liked Wish even though I didn't.
I'm glad Wish made someone happy, but it could have benefited from some romance.
@@m.v.p.knighthated that movie so much that I wanted to fight someone. And I’m a pacifist.
@@ashebennett7726 I understand, but we must remember that violence is not the answer to bad movies. Because if it was, I would be running out of room for the bodies.
@@m.v.p.knight that was just an expression.
I'm quite impressed you mentioned the Jack Frost X Elsa shipping after "Frozen" came out. I think we have an instinct as people (and as story readers/watchers) to want to create "happily ever after" for others. Yes, reality is full of flaws and disappointments. But we need healthy relationships to thrive as human beings, and that includes healthy romantic relationships. Independence doesn't mean you *never* rely on other people but rather, you are capable of personal responsibility so can do some things on your own...and don't be afraid to ask others for help. I see fairy tales as idealized masculine/feminine environments working together in harmony.
As you've articulated so well, just because a girl is less proactive or doesn't have weapons/agency doesn't mean she's completely helpless. Snow White got the Dwarves and their house in order. Cinderella was abused by her relatives but didn't let their cruelty turn her selfish or pessimistic. They showed agency and conviction under difficult circumstances and there's an inner beauty projected outwards through good deeds.
Very well said. Thank you for acknowledging humanity's need for healthy relationships.
I think the fact that Snow White and Cinderella are called not strong enough sheds light on what qualities people have been devaluing these days. Snow White and Cinderella show tones of kindness to the dwarves and mice, and people don't think that's worth as much as combat capability. We can't only respect people when they're being aggressive.
@@m.v.p.knight Disney and other entertainment companies project stories that prioritize aggression, physical power, and dominance over virtues, patience, and self-sacrifice. Even classic stories with swashbuckling heroes knew how to balance the protagonist's capabilities with personal control e.g. Luke Skywalker must discipline his Force abilities so that they don't consume him, Frodo must withstand the Ring's temptation, Rocky is tough in the ring but sweet to Adrian, etc. If you give a Mary Sue 5,00 combat skills but do nothing to give her character development or internal flaws to overcome, she's still a Mary Sue...or worse, has become the archetypical villain because she's given all the gifts with none of the sacrifice or hard work we expect a hero to put forth.
In contrast, I'm watching an Anime called Spy x Family about a master spy and assassin who hide their identities from each other while posing as nice adoptive parents to little Anya. (She's a telepath who is also hiding her abilities from her adoptive parents). The spy and assassin are capable fighters but it's their everyday lives, trying to be loving parents to Anya and respectful to each other that makes them complex and draws the audience emotionally.
@@Rosefire I like the way you think. That's some good perspective on classic heroes.
To me, Once Upon A Studio and Wish didn't do well. In fact, Enchanted is much better than the former two!
They don't make them like they used to.
✨👀✨ it’s cool that these princesses are single. The travesty here is that there are many forms of love, a lot of which is chilling on the cutting room floor. Romance is great, but a world shaking homosocial relationship?!✨🤩✨ Some entertaining banter with a side of accepting each other’s differences? Stellar. Selling us NOTHING?!✨👀✨💀✨Get out. The ladies can be single, chronically online even. But people are social and socializing is interesting.
Okay, a good video, b why is every word in the sentence, a proper noun.
Uuuuumm . . . it's more proper that way?
Thank you for the feedback.
1:17 All these movies are bad adaptations of Ellah Enchanted. It's the only template they use over and over again. Like we won't notice or anything. The only other movie to actually use the template and claim success is Tangled.
Yeah, they are starting to get a little copy and paste. There's a few other repetitive elements in modern Disney films that I didn't bring up because it was off topic, but I might talk about them later. For example, the fake out deaths happen too often.
@m.v.p.knight I haven't watched a Disney movie since Frozen. It was Tangled's retarded cousin. Since then, I have just stuck with classic Disney with my kid. Pretty much classic everything except Ghostbusters. He likes everything Ghostbusters. Except for the 2016 version. Even my 5 year old knows when he's not being entertained.
Moana didn’t have a live interest and look how she turned out…
It’s fine if princess doesn’t have a love interest every now and then BUT there’s a pattern in which we are starting to notice. It’s the same plot and characteristics over and over again. Also, not everybody is the same. You can’t compare Moana with other Disney princesses. Not everybody should be expected to be the same or to go without ever finding someone just because this is the new toxic feminist order that works for the minority. It’s especially toxic to think all women would be fine without a man in their life. Ever.
It’s kind of like how I’m aroace and I’m fine with not being in a relationship myself and don’t care if I die a virgin but I know there are others who aren’t fine with it and I can understand as well as empathize with that. Also, despite me being basically a robot (aroace), I love romance in entertainment. Idc that there’s a lot of kissing in Princess Bride, that movie kicks butt. And I adore Ever After as well as classic Disney romance. They needed a partner, not because they were helpless, but because they have someone they can count on when they do need them. Not everybody can be Moana even though she still needed help from Maui from time to time and in return, she saves him. He was the one who taught her how to sail and saved her from Tefiti (then she willingly endangered her life to save him), so it’s not like Moana wasn’t without a man, technically (they had a purely platonic relationship though). That’s how you write someone who isn’t helpless and have some agency despite needing the help of a man.
So yeah, don’t compare women to other women. Not every woman is Snow White, Cinderella, or sleeping beauty, but not every woman is Moana either. Just because one woman turns out ‘fine’ doesn’t mean others want to be her or should be expected to be her. As long as the man isn’t toxic or anything, then great.