Fan Motor Burn Out
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This is the 1978 Patton fan that I got not too long ago off eBay. The motor started shorting out while it was running one night, so I figured I'd take it outside and finish it off. I'm going to keep the fan, and get a new motor for it. Please don't try this yourself, and especially don't do it indoors.
I had a fan like this as a kid, and one day I went to turn it on and it blew up just like yours did when you put it on medium... I was freaked out as a kid cooler watching it now though.
Ye I took a fan motor out of the fan, wired it wrong and it blew up like that
Seeing them fan motors burn out is pretty interesting to watch
Thank god fans nowadays have fuses in the plug
Exactly
Which does no good if it catches fire while not drawing too many amps. Fuse can't tell the load is on fire. :|
@@franklofarojr.2969 exactly
If Plug says" FUSED" 13A right so Plug that branded SIRIM or SAFETYMARK. Like 3-pin Plugs in Singapore or UK.
FUSED 13A Plug 250V is like max load like 20A or 15A or 13A.
Boom.... goes faster
Oh damn I just bought the same fan off of e bay it has a different blade but same motor, I hope it doesn't go all Roman candle like yours did , your fan is clean what a shame
Yeah, I hope you have better luck with yours. Just make sure to listen for any strange sounds, and try not to leave it unattended while you run it. Mine would make a weird buzzing sound until the motor got warmed up, and it got worse right before it burned up. I am going to buy a new motor for it eventually, but automotive repairs/expenses are keeping that from happening right now.
Mine doesn't buzz but the motor gets really hot to the touch, it runs strong , I'm gonna do a video on it here in a bit .
I think it's normal for these types of motors to get pretty hot. I think mine even has a warning on it somewhere that says the motor will normally run hot to the touch. I'll check out your video.
Mike Grandinette it's called oil
This motor was oiled well, so that had no effect on the winding failure or how hot the motor got. The insulation on the windings just deteriorates over time, and leads to a short circuit. These shaded pole motors normally run quite hot anyway.
Seems like the windings for low and medium were shorted to high. they were fighting each other. when the fault blew clear, it sped up, there was less magnetic resistance. Not sure why high went after. Either your switch or the motor itself had a defect.
I think you're right about the low/medium windings being shorted to high. That motor was done for.
nice capture. And good uck replacing the motor.😀
I finally got the motor replaced earlier this summer.
@@carson01XJ cool 😎
I also have a Patton fan. It just burnt out a few minutes ago because I put it on a pillow on a leather chair and it fell on its back while running.
Did it go up in flames, or just trip the thermal fuse?
@@carson01XJ I heard a pop and didn’t realize what happened until I went in my room. When I went to the fan I immediately smelled like something
was smoldering. I opened my window and let the cold air in, and that seemed to stop the smell.
Man: I just got this fan on Ebay.
Me: That explains the the motor problems
But that's the purposs of these old fans of EBay, if you read the comment that I posted on this channel, I myself bought one of these vintage fans off eBay , and it had motor problems, but I replaced it and it's no longer a problem.
it seems like the thermal fuseshould have gone off before it was glowing red and in flames
It really should have, but I guess it's not all that effective for isolated failures/shorts that only cause part of the winding to overheat. I think the thermal fuse is designed more for cutting power to an overworked or seized motor, because in that case the entire thing would be overheating. Either that, or the thermal fuse in these motors just isn't very effective.
The thermal fuses in fans in the 80s probably weren't as good as the fans in now days.
My best guess is that they only tested it to prevent a fire from starting, if the fan blades were stalled due to dust, foreign items or bad ball bearings. With that said, I have a fan that has a "current fuse" in the plug itself, so that would have blown if the current draw had skyrocketed like yours did.
Sometimes there is a self-resetting thermal switch on motors that are more expensive, or where quick recovery is required. These usually trip at a lower temperature, but they still have a one-shot thermal fuse if the resetting thermal switch ever fails for some reason.
What do they say about the wattage level?
It's over 9,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [motor explodes]
Old meme but gold
Is this vegeta and nappa reference?
What? 9,000?! There's no way that can be right.
@@zigetchb3840 Yes, definitely a DragonBall Z reference.
Be careful using a power strip to turn the fan off and on, I've had the switch on those power strips fail with welded contacts through normal usage!
last month i picked up a 1989 Patton U21887 it came from a local supermarket that closed. The motor is totally worn out as i had to bridge the thermal fuse to get it to go as this has a Samsung motor. the bearings are worn out the shaft is scored so this fan was heavilly used used for drying floors, cooling, cooling compressors to maintain head pressures, and blowing air through condensers in units with inoperable fans. the only motors i can find for this its a PSC type motor as i have to use a 48 frame motor as they bolt up to the Samsung mounts. as the 3 is from Marathon, Century (A.O. Smith) and US Motors (Emerson Electric Co.) as most likely i be getting the US Motors 1690 3 speed reversable 2.7 amp and 10 MFD cap. which i can reuse my existing cap as it checks out good. the smaller Patton fans used FASCO motors. the larger fans used Samsung motors then later in the 1990s is the McMillian Electric motor. which im having trouble obtaining a McMillian motor. the 48 frame motor mounts to the rear grille but it will stick out more.
the new FASCO motors are assembled in Mexico as they are now owned by Regal-Beloit which owns Century (formally A.o.Smith, Magnetek, and Universal Electric company) the fasco motor i can find in that range is a D128 3 speed cw rotation Shaded Pole type motor the low efficiency type the motor i recommend thats FASCO is a Permanent Split Capacitor thats 3 speed is D1144 as i think that motor will include a run capacitor . for Century motors its stock for 3.3 inch motors are being transferred to the FASCO line as most of the 3.3 motors are now obselete. if u get a single speed motor i would also get a KB electronics vari speed variable speed triac motor control switch. which is compatable with Shaded Pole and PSC motors if u want to go to the ECM electronically communtated DC brushless motor for energy savings i would get
Thanks again for the motor information. I just ordered the Fasco D128 for this fan. I’ve put it off long enough.
hey. fan collector and Jeep Cherokee XJ enthusiast/owner here. Got a 99 Sport
Yup, love the XJ, I don't think I'll ever get rid of mine. How many miles does yours have on it?
Carson01XJ yeah. mine has around 255k miles. yeah, alot.
When the fan shorted out what seemed off about it to make you already assume something was wrong before you finished it off. Also what speed do you usually run your fans on any model?
The fan started running really slow and the motor was getting extremely hot. It was making a loud vibrating sound as well. I'm glad I turned it off when I did. I usually run my fans on low, and sometimes medium. If I run them on high it's usually to drown out noise.
@@carson01XJ makes sense. I do the same.
I wonder if the timing of this posting (around 2016) has anything to with the dramatic increase in the sale of edible bras and panties from the same time period, I am going to investigate this anomaly and report back with my findings.
@@deliciousdonturbulento3880 I was but I'm out now..I got out.
my Vintage Vornado B38 C-1 suffered a nasty motor burnout like yours the windings shorted out and tripped the breaker the original motor is junk now as now i have to get a motor and varible speed triac switch for it. the motor is a Shaded Pole 4.4 inch. as i can't find them to fit the original mount i need to adapt a 3.3 inch motor to it possibly FASCO for a steeply pitched blade i will need to get a PSC permanent split capacitor motor. the motor i found is a US Motors 9664 for it its universal but i need to get a 3.3 inch belly band mount and make a 4th leg so it fits into the fan as well as a 4.4 to 3.3 in adapter plate so i can remount the original switch housing to it and it may hide the run cap for the motor. the fan dates to 1956. i believe the motor is either Redmond or Universal Electric. so it be FASCO or US motors i could go with a 3 speed FASCO D1144 for it the motor originally draws 2.40 amps the PSC motor it be 1amp or less. as they are more efficient than shaded pole motors. and is thermally protected. what it will say on the box it be auto thermal protection as it will reset when the motor cools down.
Hello Carson, yes my the fan does have a capacitor on it , and I'm sure that this is a psc motor , I think you hit the nail right on the head , I did have switch wired improperly, to the motor, because this is a switch that I was using on a another fan but the motor was a Westinghouse , and this and the psc motor is wired differently, that's where I messed up , but this is a universal rotary switch that I bought of line this isn't something that I took out of another fan , if I got the right parts particular a new capacitor and switch, would the fan ever have a chance at life again ? Thank you so much for your help and God Bless you and your family and have wonderful Thanksgiving 👍🙂!
I think it's worth a try. A switch and capacitor are pretty cheap. Just keep a close eye on it if you decide to get it going again. Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
@@carson01XJ Happy Thanksgiving to you my friend 👍, I see what I can do, but listen to this , this is something that I found out just last night as I was watching RUclips, I was watching a video called very old fan restoration step by step , and the RUclipsrs name is Mr Electricity, this fellow literally took this thing apart piece by every piece , and he tore the windings completely out of the amateur and rewinded it with copper windings, I could believe what I was seeing , I know these are how these motors are built , but I didn't know that it was possible to rebuild it , the old amateur that I have to my wizard box fan , I still have now stored away in my drawer , is there any possibility that my motor can be rewind ed if I have the right materials? Look up up the video and you'll see for yourself, or just type in how to rewind a fan motor let me know what you think , thanks man!👍🙂
@@zigetchb3840 It is certainly possible to rewind your motor. You would have to find a motor shop to do it, or teach yourself how to do it. I should teach myself how to rewind motors. It would be a great skill to have.
@@carson01XJ I'm most definitely am going to give it a shot ! There is nothing about these old fans or electrical stuff I'm not willing to try , this is one challenge I'm going to overcome for sure 👍🎄.
@@zigetchb3840 Good luck with the project and be careful. Take lots of pictures of the motor so you know how it was originally.
wow thats crazy how that happened Do you still have it and have you replaced the motor yet ?
Yup I still have it. I just haven't gotten around to putting a new motor in it yet.
@@carson01XJ Once you get a new motor for it will there be a video of it ?
@@LemontTheFanMan Absolutely.
@@carson01XJ i still watch this video lol major fire have you got a new motor yet moreover do you still have it ? and are you going to get it fix soon
@@LemontTheFanMan Yup I still have the fan and will be getting a motor for it soon.
Yes , the frame is blue and the bolth of the guards are chrome as well as it is mounted on a stand , the other wizard box fan is identical but the body is a celery green color , this is the rebadged version of the c& h air-conditioning company box fan which is also the childhood fan that my grand parents owned many years ago, they are my favorite fans and I have worked very hard on them , but you are going to laugh at this or you may find it ironically strange, the replacement motor came out of an old 1980s Westinghouse air-conditioniner that came out of my uncles house , basically what I did is I just tore the the thing apart and got the motor out , having the element of luck on my side fortunately enough, it was a Westinghouse motor, but the housing was too wide and the shaft was too long so I removed the amateur and successfully fit it into the original housing, and amazingly it actually worked! Bolth the fan and the motor is in great shape now and I have also made videos of the restoration, I'm really surprised that you actually knew of these things , do you have any comments on this unique story I've just told you?
It's amazing that a window ac fan motor ended up being an almost perfect replacement. You definitely had luck on your side with that one. There are brand new replacement motors that you can get, but they're too expensive.
@@carson01XJ Thanks man ! Yeah I definitely got lucky on that one , I had just gotten the thing 3 days before the motor quit , also not to mention paying over 200 dollars for it was well worth the trouble , but if it wasn't for that ac sitting there , there would've been a couple of dollars out of our wallets just to get another one , and as well as those particular motors for theses fans are also getting more rare to find such as ge fire ball motors and westing house motors, if you want one of these awesome things look up wizard box fans on eBay but the last one which was the blue one was sold a couple of months ago but the last one is on worth point , but for some reason you would have to pay just to look up there prices which think is rather ridiculous , thank you for kindness and compliments , and soon you will be seeing my fans on RUclips!🙂👍
I've got a couple Lakewood box fans in my collection. One has a GE fireball motor, and the other has a Westinghouse. Hopefully I'll be able to find a replacement if they ever quit. The GE fireball motors are especially hard to find. I'll be watching out for your videos.
@@carson01XJ Wow how ironic! It's looks like were the same person from different worlds, the wizard box fan to the best of my knowledge, is usually powered by the Westinghouse and ge fireball motors , and yes I promise you that you will be astounded and impressed once you see my fan videos real soon , look forward to talking to you again and have a good Thanksgiving and God Bless you and your family! 👍🙂
Careful! Fans now have fuses
Well, the more recent models. For Example, Lasko was around for over the range of 40 years and they only started using fuse cords in 2004.
Hello Carson , you and I have been through the same situation with our fans , you did aquire the fan online and the motor on this unit gave out after getting it , I bought a 1950s wizard box fan on line about a year ago , and the motor appeared to have worked just fine running it for the first time dispite it's condition of age and use , but just after 3 days of having the fan , I had it running in the window one morning and I was cleaning my room and I noticed a burning smell that was coming from the motor, but was showing no sign of winding down or smoking or sparks and fire , but then I was able to successfully put a new motor into the fan which was a Westinghouse motor of which was original, but I kept the amateur or I guess you can call it a rotor , that was last October when this happened, but just yesterday I was wondering what the motor would do now if I ran it again , and it was just as the motor of your fan , I turned the motor on and it made this loud buzzing sound like a humming sound but the fan started up normal , but the more I powered the fan on the louder and longer the scary buzzing sound got , my Dad told me to get a rid of the amateur and so I did , could you tell me what it was that happened to my motor ? Is true that if I kept it running longer that the fan would've done the same thing as yours did ? Because the fan didn't make that loud buzzing sound we hen I first got it thanks!🤔👍
I think the same thing would have happened to your motor if you kept it running, if the thermal fuse didn't trip before then (or the windings didn't just go open circuit). Usually this kind of failure is caused by shorted windings. The varnish insulation on the windings deteriorates over time from getting hot and cold over and over again. I've bought quite a few vintage fans on eBay, and this is the only one that has failed on me. Still, you should always take precautions with these old fans. Give them plenty of supervised test runs, and look into getting a Kill A Watt meter so you can see what the amp draw is. They may be better built then the new fans, but they are not as safe electrically. Let me know if you have anymore questions.
@@carson01XJ Thanks for the advice man, yeah that really had me concerned there for a while , I knew something was wrong that day, but I remember watching your video of this before I even got the box fan , this was a child hood box fan that I knew many years before this , and I saw one on eBay , and I really wanted it so I got it , these are rare but beautiful fans , and I was planning a full restoration with it but I wasn't counting on a motor failure, but in a way was a happy accident, because I have put a brand new motor on it just right after the first one gave out , but your right about one thing , these old timers of fans are more valuable than the modern ones but sometimes buying them of eBay or any where else in general, may come with extreme percuation , but one question a do have would you have any information on the wizard or rebadged c& h mayfair box ? This is the fan I was telling about and I own 2 of them by the way , from what I've been informed these are rare fans .
@@zigetchb3840 They probably are getting quite rare at this point. They pop up on eBay sometimes, but I've never seen one in person. Do yours have a blue frame and chrome grille? It's great when you find a really old fan that's in great shape. One of the GE box fans that I have from 1960 looks like it spent most of it's life in the box. Where did you find the replacement motor for yours?
@@carson01XJ yes my wizard box fan has a blue frame and it does also have a stand , a roll about stand and the blade set has 4 blades very similar to the homart window fan or the vernco window fan, the other wizard is identical but is a a pistachio green color and also is mounted on a stand , the is also the rebadged version of the which is the c& h air-conditioning company mayfair box fan and there is only one video of the on RUclips too by the way , and is the childhood fan that my grand parents owned in there old house many years ago , these are my favorite fans I absolutely love them so much , but you are going to laugh at this or you find it ironically strange , I got the replacement motor out of a 1980s Westinghouse air conditioner out of uncle's house 🏡, basically I just tore the thing apart and got the motor out , with having the element luck on my side fortunately enough, it was a Westinghouse motor just the same! But the motor house was too wide and the shaft was to long so I removed the amateur out the housing and fit it into the original housing to my box fan , the motor is perfect too by the way , but I actually didn't think it would work but it did ! But I do have videos of them being restored along with a few other would you be interested in seeing them my friend?😀
@@carson01XJ You might be even referring to the blue wizard box fan on eBay correct?
Oh crap before my grandmas house burned down there was a vintage Emerson electric rollabout air circulator with a different plan than what was on it was kind a like a blade That is on the Lakewood P 25 but with more of a yellowish tanish color And one time I plugged it in I had exact same spot color One time I plugged it in I had exact same spark colors on the outlet of the wall not realizing that’s what was happening Until I saw the video
That's what happened to my Fedders Weather Wheel's fan motor, it shorted to ground
Older post so not sure if you’ll see this. Where would you go to get a replacement for this motor?
I replaced it with a Fasco D128 motor. I think I got it from Grainger industrial. Here's the video of me replacing it ruclips.net/video/VBXgDjASP_Q/видео.html
@@carson01XJ thank you kindly for the reply. Do you recall the shaft size?
@@uswcboy 5/16.
Got one doing the stick until I oil it, then it sticks til it warms up. Probably should replace the motor now. It's on year 22.
I replaced the motor in this one with a new Fasco motor. It was a dual shaft motor but it’s three speed and fit perfectly.
This reminds me of a note 7 catching fire.
Alpha motor made by Samsung
Kinda. Sounds like a fast idle Cummins diesel
why is that fan bused in to flames???
Because the motor shorted out and got really hot.
Just don’t mess up your blade. But I was thinking about maybe getting -/and or one rather if it’s ok with my dad, and I’m 20, but I was wondering are those motors cheap or was it just that particular 1/one
I don't think they were necessarily cheap motors, but these small ones certainly weren't as good as larger motors. These types of motors naturally get really hot. The insulation in this one failed due to years of running extremely hot and then cooling down over and over again. If you do get one, just keep an eye on it and make sure it isn't making any strange sounds. These are all quite old at this point, and they are going to have lots of hours on them.
1:11
Starts fire
2:03
Sparks
3:03
Starts fire again
3:20
Thermal fuse opens
Thanks for the timestamps.
Carson01XJ your welcome
Aaahh I just cleaned mine and mine says this as well !!
Patton
So, how do you get replacement motors for fans, anyway?
It depends on the fan. This fan has a motor that was used in many different applications, so it's easy to find.
Well, mine is an Emerson 1930s/1940s wooden box fan, paddle blades. It has one of those autotransformer style speed adjustments, and its motor is on the way out. It still works, but the bearings are done, thrust washers are done, and the oil wick is done. The windings appear to be ok, but who knows for how long.
Or just get a new fan
Larell Jennings the fans built nowadays are garbage, they can't be repaired like vintage and antique fans can be.
I have one similar to this
I ended up getting a replacement motor for this fan and am still using it. Also bought a couple more of them and they're fine.
I was trying to be careful with my fan
Them older fans need lube they dont always need replacing
It's still going?!
FASCO is spelled wrong it should be spelled FIASCO!😁😝😜
Fiasco and fasco is two different words.
@@sethhorst6158 It's an intended play on words. My boiler uses a draft motor, which is made by Fasco. The rotor shaft is too small, to fit a 608 bearing. the shaft fits loosely. so, there isn't enough clearance to use a shim, too much clearance, to use something like Loctite. I ended up using a 2 part epoxy and put the rotor in an armature lathe, to try to center the shaft in the new 608Z bearings. It's working with limited success, but I was never able to balance it the way i want, so I'm just letting it vibrate, until I just replace the whole draft fan. They cost 10 X what they're worth. I literally used a fine felt tip pen, to write an "I" between the "F" and the "A". Because they didn't machine the shaft to the diameter of a standard replacement bearing, is why I now refer to the company as "Fiasco".( The outer races fit perfectly in the end bells of the motor)
but this patton like a dayton
Replace that shaded pole garbage motor with a nice PSC motor.
What's a PSC motor?
Google is overrated, and it gets their facts from Wikipedia which is a website that can't be trusted.
Hello Carson its Steve , if your on RUclips right now type in my 1950s wizard box fan on stand, and tell me what you think of this video 😀👍.
I just watched it, subscribed, and left a comment. You've got a nice restoration project to work on.
@@carson01XJ Thank you Carson ! This is my old wizard box fan this is the one that I was telling you about a couple of weeks ago , this thing is truly awesome and I'm never letting it go . But the fan has already been restored, and this video is the first video that made of it last year in October, be ready for my other videos soon!
@@stevethefanman8955 Oh yeah sorry I forgot that you had already restored that one. I will be on the lookout for your new videos.
@@carson01XJ You have nothing to be sorry about , I know it's kinda funny because this is the first video of my fans on RUclips since 2015 , but I'm still working on the fan right now , but what I'm planning to go do is take all of my restoration videos and make a full movie out out of it , you should see it in the next day or so👍🙂.
i have that same fan and i think it was free.
Oh my gosh I Don't Wanna see ir Explode
Hello Carson its Steve the fan man here once again , I watch this really interesting video Thursday evening called restoring a very old fan restoration step by step , and the RUclipsrs name is Mr Electricity, and this guy literally completely rebuilt the motor on this thing like it was nothing ! I couldn't believe what I saw, I didn't know that an amateur could actually be rewinded like that , I still have the original amateur that went to my wizard box fan , did you think that it's possible that my Westinghouse motor could be rewinded the same way? Let me know if you still have the original motor to your patton fan , and look up and watch this video that I'm talking about , type in vintage fan restoration on RUclips and it should be right there in front of you , message me back and tell me what you think, God bless you my friend 👍🙂.
I subscribed
Thanks!
Boom.faster
Broken fan.
Most of the fan itself is fine, it's mainly the motor that is broken.