2nd3rd1st Um...no. Spider-Man has very intense reflexes and agility. He still also has his clinging ability to surfaces and his immense strength (he can lift 50 tons) but usually pulls all of his punches and hits. Finally, he also has his Spidey-Sense which makes him nigh improbable to hit normally. Spidey can hold his own without his web shooters. Don't count him out.
But you have to agree that he wouldn't be SPIDER-Man without webs, and in the Homecoming movie he doesn't even have his normal Spidey-sense. Without both he would just be like any super athlete, or maybe Fly-Man because he can stick to stuff.
He has very little charisma, no force of personality, and isn't ann engaging or terribly captivating speaker, and he's on stage with three very energetic, charismatic people whose jobs it is to speak to people in as entertaining a manner as possible. Neil getting his name wrong several times was cringe-worthy though, especially after Chuck corrected him twice.
Piers Anthony's "Cluster" series had a species called Polarian, which had a Big locomotion/egg ball-wheel, and a small communication ball-wheel (the male's replaces the egg wheel once used - he's mute until it regrows, but she can move around on the tiny wheel which fills out). Cluster had genuinely alien life forms throughout.
Engineer isn't about the degree, it is about the license. Engineer, like Doctor, is a protected term requiring a professional license. Adam is awesome, but he's not an engineer. He is a maker, artist, and such...
@@JeremyStreich Well if someone were to engineer something, wouldn't that make them an engineer no matter if they were licensed to or not? They undertook the act of designing/creating/maintaining something, making them an engineer in the most literal sense. He is a private engineer per se, rather than a professional one.
To the question of AIs taking over - I love the take that Jeph Jacques did in his webcomic Questionable Content. The singularity happened, but when the AIs realized that they _could_ take over, they decided it would be too much work and went for peaceful coexistence.
man I'm so thankful for video recording for moments like these man. i'm from the other side of the world it's great i could watch these talks. for free nonetheless tech is so underrated.
Wow at first I wasn't too excited seemed kinda low energy but wow as it kept going I didn't want it to stop such a good show I would love to watch 3-5 hours of this
I think there's a distinction between augmentation and tool use. A smart phone is a tool and car is a tool. To me augmentation is a more direct integration.
They really need to learn how to let eachother talk. There were so many moments one of them was about to say something interesting and someone else cuts them off. Mostly with the professor.
No offence to Liao, but the way he speaks really reminds me of Chairman Chen-Yi Yang from Alpha Centauri. I say "no offence" because that character was a pretty, authoritarian soylent green figure, but his quotes were magical in how he spoke and the tone in which he explained various concepts. Very very awesome to hear that kind of passion in a real person today. 29:00 HAHA okay maybe my comparison wasnt THAT FAR OFF O_O
Greeks touched the discussion about uploading minds over 2000 years ago with the Ship of Theseus paradox. If you replace someones neurons with artificial ones one by one, at which point they will not be themselves but will be digital copy of themselves? What if we used old neurons to create biological you, which of those would be you? I think the answer to that is both and neither. I think that you (and I) change wwith every new memory, every change in synapse arrangment makes a new you. Thedifference is so subtle you never know this, but thosee changes accumulate over time and when you see someone after 20 years you may not recognize them and they might behave differently. They are the same person, yet they are not.
Doctor Tyson, Being a fellow traveller in space & time, I am happy you have taken the torch from Carl Sagen and are actively educating the common people. 😅 Also, for Bill Nye.😅
Kurt Vonnegut actually wrote a book in which the Chinese have "minnified" themselves in order to save energy. So he's not the first to have thought of it.
51:53 Mr Tyson was correct. 2 000 000 calories are the same as 2 000 kcal (because kcal is short for kilo calories and kilo is a 1000; so 2 000 x 1 000 = 2 000 000 calories). He just had to say "when referring to food calories people talk in kcal unit, and not cal".
The problem with bionic arms and legs is they still have to be attached to a normal endoskeleton that won't stand the stresses. Exoskeletons are a much more functional methodology.
Anyway, when id NDT coming to the Savage Cave ? And make something that fits you both ? I mean, two educaters or people who make science etc popular and fun should do this. And i am damn sure NDT will geek out on a lot of Adam's stuff as well.
Nice ethical thinking there on DARPA's part. Let's augment our soldiers with brain stimulating probes to offset their traumatic war experiences. Instead of trying to prevent sending those people into traumatising situations in the first place.
+2nd3rd1st -- Before the army has to worry about PTSD, they have to worry about the soldier surviving the rest of his or her tour of duty: The common tour-length for American soldiers in Vietnam was *2 years.* The average _life expectancy_ for Americans serving in Vietnam was *1 year.* A common nickname for Second Lieutenants was "two-week wonder" - - they usually got promoted or got dead after just a couple months. Only about 22% of combat veterans develop clinically significant symptoms of PTSD (please double-check that) and the condition was basically ignored altogether by armies up till about 50 years ago when average casualty rates got low enough for that 22% to become a significant issue. Frankly, I have bipolar disorder and I'd love to stuff a mood-regulating chip in my brain just walking around. I'm sure a lot of soldiers would trade surviving now for being traumatized later.
War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control, information control, emotion control, battlefield control... everything is monitored and kept under control. War... has changed.
part I hate is the still call it a disorder ... you are born with a disorder but you get and injury and Post traumatic stress is an INJURY not a disorder
10:36 This assumes that the person missing parts and the prostheticist aren't the same person. Case in point: Ian Davis on RUclips (lost 4 fingers on one hand, built his own prosthetic).
The final question was probably best answered by Adam. But I would like to add a caveat. If everything goes right and we do become a multiplanetary race of mammals, we will inevitably be forced by nature to adapt or perish. After even 2 generations of Martian born humans, how many changes will there be to the genome? Any species that can find a foothold on a new planet for colonization (which inevitably entails the species reproducing) will have to adapt physically in some aspects or another. We can track that same type of changes over migration of our species across the globe as we have adapted to live in different ecosystems and biomes. Might as well beat evolution to the punch a bit by inevitably using gene editing/therapies to genetically engineer better suited people for adaptation or is that a step too far?
adanb savage is funny. he remind me of myself with a strange humor. that type of humor is meant to catch people off guard and it certainly catches neil each time lol
the question raised at the 42:00 minute mark about what is Neil deGrasse Tyson, is the same question as what is a ship, or what is a mound of sand? A part brakes on a ship and you replace the part, and keep the old one. The ship is still the ship. This process of breaking and keeping goes on for every piece of the ship. At the end you take the pieces that broke repair them and make a second ship which one was the first ship? The same could be said with a mound of sand. Take a mound of sand remove a grain you still have a mound, repeat the process until you have a single grain of sand, at what point was it no longer a mound of sand.
Awesome. Adam Savage and Neil degrasse tyson should do a science show or something. ;) I would watch it for sure. ;) Anyways. Fun talk! I enjoyed this.
I hate the self driving car "problem" about choosing between killing a pedestrian or killing the driver. I'm 44 years old and have been driving since I was 16 and I have never had to make that choice. I've asked a bunch of people I know and none of them have had to make that choice. So the question becomes, how many millions of miles would you have to drive before you could realistically encounter this problem?? So while the problem may exist the instances are going to be minimal.
So your father in law told you about making the decision to drive off a 100 foot cliff?? How did he survive to tell you about this?? Seriously, though I never said that the decision would NEVER have to be made. I said that making this choice is something that would very rarely happen and that on average we shouldn't have to worry about that.
I would argue that wheels are better in Zero G, too. Just imagine all the nice torque you would get without having to use any external force or probulsion system.
Altered Humans: Altered humans are everyday folk who have been exposed to cosmic rays, gamma bombs, magical forces, radioactive spiders and the like, with the result that they are "more than human". Altered humans are fairly common (in the heroic community, at least), and most " typical " of super-powered heroes. Altered humans can use technological devices (Captain America, who would be considered an altered human, uses his shield), but the majority of their powers come from within (such as the Fantastic Four's abilities). Players who chose to create altered humans as heroes can raise one rank of their Major abilities, after the rolls are complete
there was a SciFi story where the people had spherical bone that is a sphere that sets in a socket what allows the sphere to rotate therefore they don't have legs to move but the could move. It was a sci-fi story where the protagonist comes from human settlement planet where all of the plants and animals were not allowed chaotic evolution to exist to everything was orderly and the humans were bred to be small. This one child was a throwback to larger humans that got smuggled onto a living spaceship that transported the child in a womb like condition where the child grew to full-size human and ended up back on earth where evolution did have chaotic evolution or “survival of the fittest.”
I know a deaf lady who told me that she would not want to be able to hear. In her view, she has far better ability than a "normal" person and the ability to hear at this point would only detract.
“That’s not my job any more”. Face it Adam, you will *never* escape that show.
I love Chuck Nice on the stage with NDT, best co-host hands down.
He gets on my nerves sometimes but he is a great cohost, better than murr at least LoL 😂
What I got from this video: Make people smaller with wheels.
...that can digest cellulose (produce rocket fuel) and photosynthesize.
Here's some pre-panel green room footage with Adam and Neil! ruclips.net/video/W9ZAbt5dWac/видео.html
I think you meant ruclips.net/video/W9ZAbt5dWac/видео.html
.. oops.
Fixed it. Thanks! -Ben, StarTalk Video Producer
*Chuck Nice - speaking to Neil Tyson deGrasse* "Your like science Jesus. " 😂
Batman and Iron Man? What about Cyborg? He is the definition of augmentation.
Robocop, Winter Soldier and Cap America (Superdrugs), and anyone with a tech-suit, arguably even Spider-Man, he's nothing without his web-shooters.
2nd3rd1st
Um...no. Spider-Man has very intense reflexes and agility. He still also has his clinging ability to surfaces and his immense strength (he can lift 50 tons) but usually pulls all of his punches and hits. Finally, he also has his Spidey-Sense which makes him nigh improbable to hit normally.
Spidey can hold his own without his web shooters. Don't count him out.
But you have to agree that he wouldn't be SPIDER-Man without webs, and in the Homecoming movie he doesn't even have his normal Spidey-sense. Without both he would just be like any super athlete, or maybe Fly-Man because he can stick to stuff.
Cyborg is always left out of any discussion. Probably because he's black.
You can hardly call him black, he's maybe 5% original skin left, the rest is cyber.
Poor Professor Liao. Neil kept getting his name wrong and everyone kept interrupting him. Poor dude. :/
He's in the presence of 3 very chatty, extroverted communicators. He had no chance.
At one point Neil asked Professor Liao a question and then never gave him a chance to answer. He seldom got a chance to finish a sentence.
He has very little charisma, no force of personality, and isn't ann engaging or terribly captivating speaker, and he's on stage with three very energetic, charismatic people whose jobs it is to speak to people in as entertaining a manner as possible. Neil getting his name wrong several times was cringe-worthy though, especially after Chuck corrected him twice.
Piers Anthony's "Cluster" series had a species called Polarian, which had a Big locomotion/egg ball-wheel, and a small communication ball-wheel (the male's replaces the egg wheel once used - he's mute until it regrows, but she can move around on the tiny wheel which fills out). Cluster had genuinely alien life forms throughout.
I am only just hearing about this epilepsy treatment now that’s awesome. Glad it’s being addressed.
An astrophysicist, an engineer, a professor....and a comedian
Derek G Adam's not an engineer. He's Adam.
He makes stuff, innovate. Thats an engineer to me. Dont say he has to have an engineering degree
Engineer isn't about the degree, it is about the license. Engineer, like Doctor, is a protected term requiring a professional license. Adam is awesome, but he's not an engineer. He is a maker, artist, and such...
I thought you'd follow it up with 'walk into a bar' ...... waiting for the punchline
@@JeremyStreich Well if someone were to engineer something, wouldn't that make them an engineer no matter if they were licensed to or not? They undertook the act of designing/creating/maintaining something, making them an engineer in the most literal sense. He is a private engineer per se, rather than a professional one.
bruh how does matthew remember what he was saying after so many interruptions
😂🤣
Neil interrupts a person once per minute, very annoying
To the question of AIs taking over - I love the take that Jeph Jacques did in his webcomic Questionable Content. The singularity happened, but when the AIs realized that they _could_ take over, they decided it would be too much work and went for peaceful coexistence.
man I'm so thankful for video recording for moments like these man. i'm from the other side of the world it's great i could watch these talks. for free nonetheless tech is so underrated.
Happy belated birthday, Neil! My inspiration to presure astrophysics, and my favorite science communicator!!
Make it at least 2 hours plz
Wow at first I wasn't too excited seemed kinda low energy but wow as it kept going I didn't want it to stop such a good show I would love to watch 3-5 hours of this
Two of my favorite People Is Adam and Neil so this was Awesome!!! Thank You!!!
At 39:29, Neil mentioned the movie "Gattaca". Great movie starring Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman and Jude Law.
Yissss I need this collab for some reason
Wheels
The only thing wrong with these NDT and Chuck Nice Comic Con panels is that they are to short, they should be 2hours minimum
I think there's a distinction between augmentation and tool use. A smart phone is a tool and car is a tool. To me augmentation is a more direct integration.
I WAS THERE.
Awesome stuff dude!
Lucky af
Thanks for sharing 😀👍
Adam savage is my favourite person in the world
They really need to learn how to let eachother talk. There were so many moments one of them was about to say something interesting and someone else cuts them off. Mostly with the professor.
The chemistry is amazing!
that was my favourite star talk and chuck wow loved his input was very credible great panel
Lets make tiny people with wheels :D loved the show guys! You are my Superheroes!
I love how Adam keeps putting the mic on his chin to try to make Matthew keep the microphone in front of his face.
these are some of my favorite people all together :3
A talk about augmentation talking about microphones when microphones no longer have to be held by hand
It’s too early in the morning for this so of existential thinking. I need to get into college not debate if I’m myself or a copy of a yesterday
No offence to Liao, but the way he speaks really reminds me of Chairman Chen-Yi Yang from Alpha Centauri.
I say "no offence" because that character was a pretty, authoritarian soylent green figure, but his quotes were magical in how he spoke and the tone in which he explained various concepts. Very very awesome to hear that kind of passion in a real person today.
29:00 HAHA okay maybe my comparison wasnt THAT FAR OFF O_O
I like the part where Chuck asks the crowd if there is anyone deaf listening. LOL
Greeks touched the discussion about uploading minds over 2000 years ago with the Ship of Theseus paradox. If you replace someones neurons with artificial ones one by one, at which point they will not be themselves but will be digital copy of themselves? What if we used old neurons to create biological you, which of those would be you?
I think the answer to that is both and neither. I think that you (and I) change wwith every new memory, every change in synapse arrangment makes a new you. Thedifference is so subtle you never know this, but thosee changes accumulate over time and when you see someone after 20 years you may not recognize them and they might behave differently. They are the same person, yet they are not.
ah thank-you, I'd never heard of the Ship of Theseus paradox before..researched and bookmarked.
Thanks
Doctor Tyson,
Being a fellow traveller in space & time, I am happy you have taken the torch from Carl Sagen and are actively educating the common people. 😅
Also, for Bill Nye.😅
Kurt Vonnegut actually wrote a book in which the Chinese have "minnified" themselves in order to save energy. So he's not the first to have thought of it.
This was so much fun to watch!
Nice! Neil with some swag at Comic-Con! 👍
We need to get Isaac Arthur to do an episode on human augmentation.
I really enjoyed this Adam you were great
51:53 Mr Tyson was correct. 2 000 000 calories are the same as 2 000 kcal (because kcal is short for kilo calories and kilo is a 1000; so 2 000 x 1 000 = 2 000 000 calories). He just had to say "when referring to food calories people talk in kcal unit, and not cal".
The problem with bionic arms and legs is they still have to be attached to a normal endoskeleton that won't stand the stresses. Exoskeletons are a much more functional methodology.
Small weels!!! Big love, ty for making me not feel lonely xD
Hammer Fist vs. Razor arm?? Id watch that all day
i love StarTalk best collaboration ever
@#$%! I'm a huge fan of StarTalk and Tested!
Anyway, when id NDT coming to the Savage Cave ? And make something that fits you both ?
I mean, two educaters or people who make science etc popular and fun should do this.
And i am damn sure NDT will geek out on a lot of Adam's stuff as well.
I want them to talk about animals with wheels for the whole podcast! It's a great subject.
There is a special Olympic archer that has an attachment that allows her to fire an arrow with the new adaptation
More of this!!!!
Great line up.
7 minutes into video and I am already hypnotized…. Once again proved diversity produces best results after "evolution"...
that's a good one! great talk good group of guys really jive
"You are the physical embodiment of 'actually' lmao
Somewhere, Daniel Quinn is smirking and shaking his head.
There are more than just two superheroes who are augmented. Red Wing, Antman, Spiderman, Hulk, Cyborg, Captain America.
49:27 I was taking a drink of my morning coffee when he did this.
adam was much funnier on this then he is normally
When they mentioned the AI or robotic overload it reminded me of the movie series Terminator where Sky net decided that all humans must die.
4:38 'how a rectum would answer the question; sally got 1 branch, adam got 2 branches, how many branches do they have together?'
Augmented superheroes, Dethklok got forgotten, Cable (yes, also a drawback), plenty more.
Great panel. Neil kept switching between calling the professor "Michael" and "Matthew". I kept thinking "All we need is a Luke and a John..."
Nice ethical thinking there on DARPA's part. Let's augment our soldiers with brain stimulating probes to offset their traumatic war experiences. Instead of trying to prevent sending those people into traumatising situations in the first place.
+2nd3rd1st -- Before the army has to worry about PTSD, they have to worry about the soldier surviving the rest of his or her tour of duty:
The common tour-length for American soldiers in Vietnam was *2 years.* The average _life expectancy_ for Americans serving in Vietnam was *1 year.* A common nickname for Second Lieutenants was "two-week wonder" - - they usually got promoted or got dead after just a couple months.
Only about 22% of combat veterans develop clinically significant symptoms of PTSD (please double-check that) and the condition was basically ignored altogether by armies up till about 50 years ago when average casualty rates got low enough for that 22% to become a significant issue.
Frankly, I have bipolar disorder and I'd love to stuff a mood-regulating chip in my brain just walking around. I'm sure a lot of soldiers would trade surviving now for being traumatized later.
To your point a sane person will do both.
War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control, information control, emotion control, battlefield control... everything is monitored and kept under control. War... has changed.
part I hate is the still call it a disorder ... you are born with a disorder but you get and injury and Post traumatic stress is an INJURY not a disorder
oh fucking please, there will always be war
Neil DeGrasse Tyson the best astrophysicist ever.!
CERTAINY BREAKS IT DOWN WELL FOR US COMMON FOLK
20 minutes in and Adam is essentially referencing Gattaca
i think adam was referring to the amber spy glass whit the wheels thing, and if he wasnt its a fessible idea for a animal that uses a wheel
13:15 That's not funny or a joke, it's just simply true. Neil is 100% right about that.
I was there!!!!!!
awesome show!
First!
First like!
Thank you for letting Tested upload the full talk, StarTalk! Love you!
Also, how did you first this a day ago on a 4 hour old video? Wtf?
They upload it private then make it public when they want to release it to the public.
Time travel, obviously ;P
A video with ndg and Michael from vsauce would be so awwesssssomeeee
10:36 This assumes that the person missing parts and the prostheticist aren't the same person. Case in point: Ian Davis on RUclips (lost 4 fingers on one hand, built his own prosthetic).
Didn't realize this was Tested.. Thought I was watching Startalk.
1:01:36 I for once avidly agree with Tyson, well said
The final question was probably best answered by Adam. But I would like to add a caveat.
If everything goes right and we do become a multiplanetary race of mammals, we will inevitably be forced by nature to adapt or perish. After even 2 generations of Martian born humans, how many changes will there be to the genome?
Any species that can find a foothold on a new planet for colonization (which inevitably entails the species reproducing) will have to adapt physically in some aspects or another. We can track that same type of changes over migration of our species across the globe as we have adapted to live in different ecosystems and biomes.
Might as well beat evolution to the punch a bit by inevitably using gene editing/therapies to genetically engineer better suited people for adaptation or is that a step too far?
"You are the science Jesus!" lol, that was contradicting
I'm betting that if people could digest cellulose, then that would greatly impact our taste buds.
adanb savage is funny. he remind me of myself with a strange humor. that type of humor is meant to catch people off guard and it certainly catches neil each time lol
Oh yes!!!!!!!
the question raised at the 42:00 minute mark about what is Neil deGrasse Tyson, is the same question as what is a ship, or what is a mound of sand?
A part brakes on a ship and you replace the part, and keep the old one. The ship is still the ship. This process of breaking and keeping goes on for every piece of the ship. At the end you take the pieces that broke repair them and make a second ship which one was the first ship? The same could be said with a mound of sand. Take a mound of sand remove a grain you still have a mound, repeat the process until you have a single grain of sand, at what point was it no longer a mound of sand.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus , that's the theory you're thinking of . Talking about the sand , maybe Zeno's Paradox ?
Awesome. Adam Savage and Neil degrasse tyson should do a science show or something. ;) I would watch it for sure. ;) Anyways. Fun talk! I enjoyed this.
I hate the self driving car "problem" about choosing between killing a pedestrian or killing the driver. I'm 44 years old and have been driving since I was 16 and I have never had to make that choice. I've asked a bunch of people I know and none of them have had to make that choice. So the question becomes, how many millions of miles would you have to drive before you could realistically encounter this problem?? So while the problem may exist the instances are going to be minimal.
So your father in law told you about making the decision to drive off a 100 foot cliff?? How did he survive to tell you about this?? Seriously, though I never said that the decision would NEVER have to be made. I said that making this choice is something that would very rarely happen and that on average we shouldn't have to worry about that.
3:50
SAVAGE BEING SAVAGE. Chucks face after that though.
I would argue that wheels are better in Zero G, too. Just imagine all the nice torque you would get without having to use any external force or probulsion system.
Wrestling has used augmentation in storylines. One example is Lucha Underground and the metal fist.
Damn Neil that was cold, chuck came out trying to shake your hand and you were just like yeah I don't think so, here's the mic now back up.
You don't have to remove and replace an arm to get those improvements.
EXTRA arms! And you can change the attachments for different activities. (c:
Altered Humans: Altered humans are everyday folk who
have been exposed to cosmic rays, gamma bombs, magical
forces, radioactive spiders and the like, with the result
that they are "more than human".
Altered humans are fairly common (in the heroic community,
at least), and most " typical " of super-powered
heroes. Altered humans can use technological devices
(Captain America, who would be considered an altered
human, uses his shield), but the majority of their powers
come from within (such as the Fantastic Four's abilities).
Players who chose to create altered humans as heroes
can raise one rank of their Major abilities, after the rolls
are complete
The professor laughing along "ha ha, yes, my lifes work is a joke, ha ha hum,...funny."
God, Chuck Nice... he is literally a cartoon character in real life in both a good and bad way hahaha
there was a SciFi story where the people had spherical bone that is a sphere that sets in a socket what allows the sphere to rotate therefore they don't have legs to move but the could move. It was a sci-fi story where the protagonist comes from human settlement planet where all of the plants and animals were not allowed chaotic evolution to exist to everything was orderly and the humans were bred to be small. This one child was a throwback to larger humans that got smuggled onto a living spaceship that transported the child in a womb like condition where the child grew to full-size human and ended up back on earth where evolution did have chaotic evolution or “survival of the fittest.”
I know a deaf lady who told me that she would not want to be able to hear. In her view, she has far better ability than a "normal" person and the ability to hear at this point would only detract.
how great would it have been if @ 55:50 Matthew said " I am AI" in response to Adam
“I was smoking weed” 😂😂😂
Tiny people with wheels. It's inevitable, get ready.
Awesome!
It's Matthew:)
best question from the kid at the end