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It could be related to the brief mention of Hitler and the very brief shot of the swastika. The RUclips bot is very sensitive to *any* mention of these two things and other RUclipsrs use creative ways to avoid mentioning them by name, e.g. calling him "Moustache Man" instead of by name. Similarly, the word "rape" is another one that appears to trigger the RUclips bot & other content creators try to avoid mentioning it or using euphemisms.
media outlets outwardly seem to present different interests but the illusion is shattered upon realizing they’re all owned by the same few corporations
Yesss!! You're all getting closer and closer to enlighten up and get everyone to stop and think overnight this whole thing up, in honesty and love. Anyway, you've shown that lazy glucose thinknig can be fomented with propaganda from the cold war era that we still use today to trick people up. To kill indirectly. We lie and we are on the path of death, just look at the fruits: a global extinction event. Knowing ignorance is done by bussiness and power structures as A G N O T O L O G Y is knowing thee true enemy.
The illusion of freedom... You get to choose one crappy soda brand over another one meanwhile our government is trying to strip away are rights as humans and set back our progression by 50 years. Yehaaaawww freedom
Fox News was instrumental in the loss of the relationship and loss of respect with my father. He obsessively, hatefully watched people like Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson and bought all of the bullshit, hook line and sinker. It helped change a Vietnam vet with a heart of gold into a man terrified and hatefully angry at anything he perceived as "other, alien, and leftist." My father and I shared little in the way of world view. But Fox News ensured the gulf between myself and my father only widened. The day he died, Fox News was on the television in his room.
I'm so sorry for your loss... regardless of your relationship at the end, I know losing your parent is never easy. My dad is a big fox news viewer, but I can still connect with him. Get him to see things differently, at least on one or two things. I know it's a drop in the bucket but I'm trying to remind him of his own humanity. I don't want to lose him knowing he held onto fear until his final moments. If it's any consolation, it wasn't your fault. These systems victimize the vulnerable. My dad lost his dad, my grandad was a Vietnam vet who died of a degenerative disease when my dad a teen. He's been struggling economically and was always looked down on for being uneducated, southern, and a laborer. I imagine being a war vet made your dad vulnerable, too, and these people swoop in like vultures to predate on that hurt and fear. It's heartbreaking watching someone you know is a good person slowly morph into a fearful, hateful person advocating for fascism and fascist adjacent movements. I've heard people argue they had to believe these things already, that they bear responsibility as a viewer and that's only partially true. They have to be given a tangible pathway out of those ideologies. They didn't choose to be born into a hateful, fascist, white supremacist, patriarchal society. We all need help rejecting the hegemony. Whether we like it or not Fox is speaking to a group that other people have failed to speak to. There's a reason so many poor white guys are Republicans. So many marginalized white men hurt themselves, their partners, or commit mass shootings. There's real hurt out there and the only people speaking on that hurt are the fascists (at a systemic level).
I don't mean to be rude but if all y'all did/can share is a political ideology then there's some bigger issue going on with either of y'all or the situation.
"My father and I shared little in the way of world view. But Fox News ensured the gulf between myself and my father only widened." -- BS.😆 It wasn't Fox News, it was you -- and your father -- who did that. But it's mostly you who allowed that "gulf" to appear and widen. You, leftist tools, are such repulsive wusses...
@@stanislavstoimenov1729 That's rude to say. You also don't know the situation. Do you think it's impossible for political division created by the media people consume to divide people?
Interesting to read so many comments regarding what a Fox News viewer thinks. There is a serious ontological discrepancy in that notion. Fox News doesn’t provoke thought, but emotion. If you want to understand what’s happening here, spend some time reading about how comparatively little thought actually occurs in the midst of an emotionally charged moment. Then consider how well Fox keeps its viewers bouncing from outrage to outrage and you’ll quickly realize that the reality here is none of them are thinking at all. They’re feeling. Don’t fall into the ideology of News as information. This will lead you to believe you can counter News lies with information.
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 all media could be better and we really shouldn’t allow news and information to be controlled by corporate interests or consolidated into a national conglomerate but it is just insane to not recognize that what is going on with fox and conservative news outlets is a completely separate issue because it is fascist propaganda not based on reality and there is zero accountability when they entirely avoid some real news and make up an entire false reality. This is ripping the country apart and Rupert Murdoch should be in gitmo at this point
I’ve been watching Then and Now for awhile. Although I don’t 100% agree on every stance or argument made, this is by far my favorite philosophy channel. Absolutely kills it with every video. You’re important right now. Your channel deserves a way bigger audience, but the fact it doesn’t have that audience also speaks volumes about our culture. Please never stop what you’re doing.
Yesss!! You're all getting closer and closer to enlighten up and get everyone to stop and think overnight this whole thing up, in honesty and love. Anyway, you've shown that lazy glucose thinknig can be fomented with propaganda from the cold war era that we still use today to trick people up. To kill indirectly. We lie and we are on the path of death, just look at the fruits: a global extinction event. Knowing ignorance is done by bussiness and power structures as A G N O T O L O G Y is knowing thee true enemy.
As a college student who is currently studying journalism, FOX news does everything we are taught not to do. It continues to blow my mind how bias these news channels can be and still call themselves news, this isn’t news it’s opinion. I don’t understand how they continue to be seen as “credible sources.”
CNN and msnbc is reliable, right? Your a collage student that knows nothing and will know nothing when and if your graduate. Liberal-Leftists brains are SO diseased it's grossly repulsive.
Almost done with this and I must say- absolutely phenomenal video! I learned so much in here and it's crazy how actually self aware Fox News is. It blows my mind everytime time I learn of it. I had no idea how far back the 'liberal media' conspiracy went either.
That whole “liberal media” conspiracy line of attack didn’t start with Ailes and the Republican Party. It started with Goebbels and the Nazi Party. That’s why you hear Trump and his GOP collaborators attacking journalists and media outlets as “fake news” - another way of saying “lying press,” aka _Lügenpresse._
That's the thing. They KNOW they're just pulling psychological levers, rather than taking a stance they actually believe in. It's a cynical power grab. Always has been. I just wish it didn't work so well.
I'm from Finland and I once I had seen some amount of Fox News clips I knew they were self-aware and that they obviously just want to make republicans more angry and confirm their biases:D What makes them the most money.
I can feel it man. THIS is the video that blows up. It’s insane how your videos aren’t pulling millions of views given how much research you do and the outstanding production quality. Best of luck my friend I’m rooting for you!
This is a masterpiece. And I love this recent trend of drilling down on the micro-events of recent history as a way of getting at relevant philosophical concepts.
you got this out so fast!!! damn near 5 hours of content in this and your last upload, its wild to think how much went into both these videos. thanks for your hard work mate
Great job as always, the one thing that I wish you had included is the way they get away with inferring ridiculous ideas by presenting them as open questions ie "Is Obama a Marxist racist? Many of us are wondering that tonight"
Superb question the way they frame things is half the grift they manufacture controversy nobody thought something as insane as that before they started giving clowns like glen beck the platform to do it
Thanks so much for this. I knew some of this but did not know others. The damage Fox has done to my family is not as bad as some here, but I still have seen the signs myself. When I was young, I never heard my parents talk about race, conspiratorial stuff, denying science or about how they hated this or that person. But now, every time I visit, "blacks" or "illegals" are brought up at least once. Or I hear about how Trump was a good man that MSM just tried to make look bad for trying to support white. Or about how abortion is just a way to try and get rid of black people. But wait, the larger conspiracy is actually to get rid of white people by encouraging them to be gay or to marry non whites. Im so tired. I want to fight back, but I only get to see them a few times a year. So even when I do make some headway, by the time I see them again its back to square one.
I used to watch Fox in the aughts for The Simpson, then would watch the news after. Somewhere in those years, I began to notice a strong dislike for their news and their presentation of said news. I learned to change the channel once The Simpson ended. Fox went on to capture my father’s attention and it changed him in the way so many other commenters describe. He died in September, angry, afraid, isolated, with his Fox News channel as his only comfort. I would rather not have that trash in my head in my final moments on earth. It makes me sad. It was an addiction of sorts, he was pretty much addicted to fox. It affected his decisions, his life, his relationships, everything became filtered through Fox, EVERYTHING. Very sad.
20 seconds in and I can already tell this will be a fantastic video, my parent's have been poisoned by the likes of Fox, OANN, Newsmax, ... thankfully I have managed to de-program my mother, but it took years and required her to admit her world view had been horrifically wrong, and that she had been a victim of facebook/talk radio/cable news propaganda, which isn't easy to do! I am proud of her, but we had to have some real tough discussions about forcing 10 year olds to give birth to the children of their rapists, women being forced to carried around dead fetuses, EVERYTHING relating to trump's 2020 election lies, ... Eventually, she lost her job and started being forced to go into a 100f+ warehouse, for 10hr+ days, at 65 years old. Or she would have been, but I stepped up. Once she saw how much better I was treated by my employer, for several times her pay, completely remote, she was forced to admit that she was being exploited for pennies, and that maybe the fox-news worldview wasn't very reflective of reality. I told her: "mom, I do not defend this system of exploitation, if it was up to me the system wouldn't be setup this way, you were the one defending it previously.". Once money was involved, and I started paying the bills, while she faced the prospect of going into a job she hated where she was treated like a child and was forced to work in extreme heat, she started taking everything I was saying __much__ more seriously. Now, she doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to, and has even realized how the local churches use christianity as a justification for spreading hate and tyranny, and the whole "god said to give me money!" scam (once that collection plate comes out in church... it should be OBVIOUS what is going on). But that's what it took for her to escape the facebook/cable news fear-hate-ignorance bubble. It's insane how so many people in this area have been fed nothing but fear+hate+ignorance for over a decade at this point. They have been turned into theocratic fascists by propagandists who have no idea they even exist.
Wow great job man! I applaud you👏🏻 I can't even imagine how many hours that in whole have turned into days, weeks, a month, two or even a few it took to convince her to accept what's really going on. "It is easier to fool a man, than to convince him he has been fooled."
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 If thats what you got from this, you need some reading comprehension classes. Oh, you're just doing exactly what the video just outlined. Thanks for the example!
It is way harder to talk sense into your white husband that didn’t even graduate high school that make 80k a year and has all sorts of benefits that the system is broken. He worked hard to get where he and doesn’t understand that others just want the opportunities and respect the world has given him.
Outside of America, Fox News isn't even considered a News Station... but some kind of American trible reality TV show... or a soap opera like Dallas was.... or more like, The Truman Show or Idiocracy.
@@ThenNow After watching & listening to a number of your videos I'm reminded of a quote that I read a number of years ago: "An army of pompous phrases marching across the landscape in search of an idea." That sums up your 'rhetoric' quite well don't you think? YT channel 'Then & Now' dumbing down the world one video at a time. LOL
It will be lost on them - for irony is always lost on the foot soldiers of the Right - but it's now clearer than ever that their political goals and those of the Islamists are pretty much indistinguishable. The idolisation of weaponry; the curbing of womens' and reproductive rights; the naturalising of contingent gender roles; how religion and the state demands bloody sacrifices; and how that religious teaching should determine the laws of everyone; unshakable devotion to their leader; the ease at which they turn to violence against civilians for political ends... they're merely looking at their mirror image.
Yep and it's funny that right-wingers don't realize radical islamists are members if the far-right too:D 9/11 was a far-right attack too like many school shootings in the US are too. Just different religions are what separates them. (Thought they believe in the same god.)
you're missing the point... there is about a third of human brains worldwide that are organized this way. the real question is what software do you prefer is running in those brains? the christian religious right, literally ended slavery, built america, put down the nazi's and is now by and large one of the most peaceful collections of people in all of human history. of all the religious ethnonationalists, they get along better with people than any other ideology. i'm not one of them. but i do of course realize if you aren't tolerant of them, or back them into a corner. they become more extreme. *you become the extremist, lacking understanding* if you try to eradicate them, then some other ideology attractive to that brain type is inevitable. *one that is better at self defense* you actually need some force that puts the brakes on the explorer brain types, or pretty soon some pretty wild stuff happens as well. like Mao and his 100m deaths, or Lenin with his 80M. nature built us to balance each other in small tribes of mutual self reliance. do not make the mistake of believing that because you can silo yourself into billions of people that think like you; that humans are capable of surviving without the other archetypes of the tribe... this wholistic insight is what the left used to do well...true populism. be careful that dogma doesn't creep in and turn it into the same monster you despise. in many ways explorer minds are now exploring conservation, and the dogmatic and inflexible are now marching lockstep behind some pretty awful ideas and fawning over horrific leaders. it's starting to flip
Hey, I really love your content, but it I find it really inconvinient how the loudness of the main story (your voice/other speech clips) is jumping around in volume. Also the Music sometimes is to loud (for my taste) to understand you confortably. This is something that I have been seeing on your oder Videos as well. If you need help with that, I'd be open helping you. But eather way continue doing awesome stuff^^
In the wake of trumps reelection, I find many of the points made in this video especially pertinent. Democratic politicians and consultants are scratching their heads, asking themselves “how is it that the policies we advocate for are constantly winning in ballot initiatives and yet our candidates losing?” And I think the answer is much the same as your philosophical analysis here. In the context of postmodern political life, he who manages to create a cohesive narrative is the one who wins it all, and the Democratic Party’s miopic focus on policy (and active pushing back on any real rhetoric) left the republicans as the only party that offered Americans a consistent narrative on why you should vote for them. Sure Democratic policies are for the most part popular but absent of a strong narrative, nobody really cared to go out and vote for them. Given the contentious nature of this claim I won’t say that Bernie sanders would have won, but what Bernie offered the Democratic Party was, much in the way trump offered the Republican Party, was a cohesive narrative in which to rally support based on in the modern age of populism. He recognized Americans’ anger’s, pointed out an enemy and made his entire campaign about fighting this enemy. The billionaires who run the economy, the 1% the people trying to keep “you” the working class back for their own nefarious purposes. He promised sweeping reforms and real change to people who were begging for real change, and the Democratic establishment saw this as a threat, and put tall their effort behind killing the momentum for him. It’s no wonder that many people who supported Bernie in 2016 eventually turned to trump, and that the minority groups that most swung to trump in 2020 and 2024 were the same groups that were the most enthusiastic Bernie supporters in 2016. Bernie and trump both offered something that, regardless of the actual political positions, was unabashedly not the status quo politics that had come to become synonymous with corruption in Washington and impotent incrementalism. They offered a narrative of why they can be the one to remake society. As the finger pointing goes on behind the scenes and democrats try to blame the left for losing the election, I fear that the democrats will never truly understand that it’s their ideology and not policies that push people away, and I fear it’s too late for them to course correct.
Fantastic video as usual. Your vids are so well produced in general, but I feel a little more attention to mixing audio could go a long way. Anyway, love your channel and this vid was great overall!
His use of music and images and short punchy phrases mimics the propaganda tactics he is critiquing. And he does a great job at it with amazing production value and I agree with his critique. But are we all doomed to reduce everything to rhetoric and theater?
So Fox News rise to power can be summarized by Megamind: - Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one. - Yeah? What's the difference? - Presentation!
This was WAY more interesting than I initially thought from the title. It shines some light on the origins of the cult-like beliefs and behaviors of the typical Fox News viewers, and on the events that happened during the last couple of decades.
Thank you, Sir! I might be reading too much into it, but you've got me thinking about my politics. I do believe Corporations/Capitalism = evil. I wasn't fed my beliefs by any media source, just from living with my eyes open. Yes, I see destruction of life as we know it on the horizon. People keep telling me to focus on the little things, but if I do, and everyone else does, how do we attend to the big things before they attend to us? Sorry to babble. Keep doing what you are doing!
Making more angry individuals? Heck yeah. American capitalism does that on its own it drives people into rugged individuality. So when you have Trucker yelling about how that’s minority’s faults and not a fault of the system itself. They listen. Their anger has to go somewhere.
Surprisingly in depth as to the rhetorical techniques and strangely convoluted history of Fox News. Tucker Carlson's show is pure Social Dominance Theory in action.
"Culturally modern and economically working toward the future", wtf does that mean? That is a very broad overview of something that requires heafty breaking down instead of being quickly glossed over in an assumingly positive light. 1:16:43
Beautiful! I love your videos more and more with each upload. BTW, I'm doing a Master's thesis about trust factors in the news and media consumption, measuring them across two heterogeneous countries, so I've been engrossed in news, politics, culture, and media theory. Here's an interesting criticism of the factoid about the Nixon vs. JFK speech that I find quite interesting: the myth goes that people who saw the debate live on TV voted for JFK while the people who heard it on the radio voted for Nixon. Analysts originally attributed this to the powerful allure of television's visual focus. However, a few critics have been railing against this interpretation. They say that the difference has less to do with media of choice and more to do with existing class lines that correlate with those media. People who could afford TV sets in those days tended to be more well-off and vote democrat. Those who listened to the radio tended to be poorer conservatives working jobs where radio is the media of choice (truckers, construction, etc.). I think it's a mix of both things, but the class argument is compelling and seems to fit into the narrative a lot of media analysts tend to push about the absolute power of media as a king-maker. tool (perhaps such power is overestimated). Food for thought.
Great video as always. I think its worth pointing out that while Fox News does have a larger viewing audience than other individual News organizations, that's primarily because more centrist or left leaning viewers have a larger selection. If you compared the number of people watching Conservative news networks to how many people are watching centrist or left leaning networks, the numbers favour liberal news networks.
Mixed feelings... Took note of editing style, subtle musical underpins... I mean, yeah, you're mostly right (or, you might be), but in today's environment, your message wouldn't have made it all the way to my screen without these tricks you have, no doubt, mastered.
the "values" of all three Abrahamic Religions are at odds with a liberal democracy. Every Monotheistic belief is at odds with Democracy. A core belief centered arround an unchanging overlord is fundamentally opposed to democratic ideals. This does not however mean that the followers of said religion must be at odds as well. It really depends on how seriously they take their ancient tomes.
@@PensnmusicI can agree that Fox news' position on some issues coincides with the opinion of our government (for example, LGBT, abortion, or Biden's incompetence). However, ordinary people make RUclips views, which means that in Russia there is some request for such a policy from the population
@@Pensnmusic Where did that implication come from? You have the single premise of "Many people in other countries watch Fox News videos", and your conclusion is "It benefits the dominant power of Russia". Maybe you ought to reexamine what was the second premise, the "silent" one, that you have in your head. Maybe the second premise is that "Fox News works with the Russian government". It's just plain incorrect. As a foreigner, I will tell you that I prefer to watch Fox News videos more than let's say CNN, because my people have seen on our own skin the depth of lies that CNN uses. Also, I am discouraged by Newspeak, racial/sexual/gender minoritarianism, boring Trump bashing. Same with most of the world, except most American zoomers, most American millenials, and a handful of people and teen girls in Western Europe. Literally nobody else is woke, anywhere.
@@Liberal3000 ordinary russians don't just come out fully formed from the brick walls of commie blocks, they have to be cultivated that is why putin really cares about media control, and it seems to be working
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It could be related to the brief mention of Hitler and the very brief shot of the swastika. The RUclips bot is very sensitive to *any* mention of these two things and other RUclipsrs use creative ways to avoid mentioning them by name, e.g. calling him "Moustache Man" instead of by name.
Similarly, the word "rape" is another one that appears to trigger the RUclips bot & other content creators try to avoid mentioning it or using euphemisms.
It is actually ridiculous the speed at which you consistently produce amazing, educational works. You are an inspiration.
media outlets outwardly seem to present different interests but the illusion is shattered upon realizing they’re all owned by the same few corporations
Yesss!! You're all getting closer and closer to enlighten up and get everyone to stop and think overnight this whole thing up, in honesty and love. Anyway, you've shown that lazy glucose thinknig can be fomented with propaganda from the cold war era that we still use today to trick people up. To kill indirectly. We lie and we are on the path of death, just look at the fruits: a global extinction event.
Knowing ignorance is done by bussiness and power structures as A G N O T O L O G Y is knowing thee true enemy.
Yep and the same goes for candies, chocolate or pretty much anything else:D
The illusion of freedom... You get to choose one crappy soda brand over another one meanwhile our government is trying to strip away are rights as humans and set back our progression by 50 years. Yehaaaawww freedom
America has become a plutonomy and that’s a damn shame.
I'm sure y'all already know this, but I'm going to say it anyway: Fox News is essentially a propaganda channel masquerading as a news channel.
Fox News was instrumental in the loss of the relationship and loss of respect with my father. He obsessively, hatefully watched people like Bill O'Reilly, Tucker Carlson and bought all of the bullshit, hook line and sinker. It helped change a Vietnam vet with a heart of gold into a man terrified and hatefully angry at anything he perceived as "other, alien, and leftist." My father and I shared little in the way of world view. But Fox News ensured the gulf between myself and my father only widened. The day he died, Fox News was on the television in his room.
I'm so sorry for your loss... regardless of your relationship at the end, I know losing your parent is never easy.
My dad is a big fox news viewer, but I can still connect with him. Get him to see things differently, at least on one or two things. I know it's a drop in the bucket but I'm trying to remind him of his own humanity. I don't want to lose him knowing he held onto fear until his final moments.
If it's any consolation, it wasn't your fault. These systems victimize the vulnerable. My dad lost his dad, my grandad was a Vietnam vet who died of a degenerative disease when my dad a teen. He's been struggling economically and was always looked down on for being uneducated, southern, and a laborer. I imagine being a war vet made your dad vulnerable, too, and these people swoop in like vultures to predate on that hurt and fear. It's heartbreaking watching someone you know is a good person slowly morph into a fearful, hateful person advocating for fascism and fascist adjacent movements. I've heard people argue they had to believe these things already, that they bear responsibility as a viewer and that's only partially true. They have to be given a tangible pathway out of those ideologies. They didn't choose to be born into a hateful, fascist, white supremacist, patriarchal society. We all need help rejecting the hegemony.
Whether we like it or not Fox is speaking to a group that other people have failed to speak to. There's a reason so many poor white guys are Republicans. So many marginalized white men hurt themselves, their partners, or commit mass shootings. There's real hurt out there and the only people speaking on that hurt are the fascists (at a systemic level).
I don't mean to be rude but if all y'all did/can share is a political ideology then there's some bigger issue going on with either of y'all or the situation.
"My father and I shared little in the way of world view. But Fox News ensured the gulf between myself and my father only widened." -- BS.😆 It wasn't Fox News, it was you -- and your father -- who did that. But it's mostly you who allowed that "gulf" to appear and widen. You, leftist tools, are such repulsive wusses...
@@stanislavstoimenov1729 That's rude to say. You also don't know the situation. Do you think it's impossible for political division created by the media people consume to divide people?
@@shawnruby7011 you managed to be exceedingly rude.
Interesting to read so many comments regarding what a Fox News viewer thinks. There is a serious ontological discrepancy in that notion. Fox News doesn’t provoke thought, but emotion. If you want to understand what’s happening here, spend some time reading about how comparatively little thought actually occurs in the midst of an emotionally charged moment. Then consider how well Fox keeps its viewers bouncing from outrage to outrage and you’ll quickly realize that the reality here is none of them are thinking at all. They’re feeling.
Don’t fall into the ideology of News as information. This will lead you to believe you can counter News lies with information.
That was exceedingly well spoken.
And they say "facts don't care about feelings" and "leftits are emotional progresits" do check out, all "they" say tis about themselves
It’s all political media not just Fox
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 Perhaps. But I would argue that none do it slimier or more underhandedly than fox.
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 all media could be better and we really shouldn’t allow news and information to be controlled by corporate interests or consolidated into a national conglomerate but it is just insane to not recognize that what is going on with fox and conservative news outlets is a completely separate issue because it is fascist propaganda not based on reality and there is zero accountability when they entirely avoid some real news and make up an entire false reality. This is ripping the country apart and Rupert Murdoch should be in gitmo at this point
I’ve been watching Then and Now for awhile. Although I don’t 100% agree on every stance or argument made, this is by far my favorite philosophy channel. Absolutely kills it with every video. You’re important right now. Your channel deserves a way bigger audience, but the fact it doesn’t have that audience also speaks volumes about our culture. Please never stop what you’re doing.
This was fantastic once more Lewis, cheers!
Yesss!! You're all getting closer and closer to enlighten up and get everyone to stop and think overnight this whole thing up, in honesty and love. Anyway, you've shown that lazy glucose thinknig can be fomented with propaganda from the cold war era that we still use today to trick people up. To kill indirectly. We lie and we are on the path of death, just look at the fruits: a global extinction event.
Knowing ignorance is done by bussiness and power structures as A G N O T O L O G Y is knowing thee true enemy.
As a college student who is currently studying journalism, FOX news does everything we are taught not to do. It continues to blow my mind how bias these news channels can be and still call themselves news, this isn’t news it’s opinion. I don’t understand how they continue to be seen as “credible sources.”
CNN and msnbc is reliable, right? Your a collage student that knows nothing and will know nothing when and if your graduate. Liberal-Leftists brains are SO diseased it's grossly repulsive.
It's entertainment. They are masters of the craft. It's just easy money.
It’s because colleges are controlled by the woke liberal elite and it’s brain washing you. (I’m joking lol but that’s how the right would respond )
Would you say the same to CNN.
@@lewessays Yes, FOX just doesn’t use fact whatsoever. CNN is a little more tame.
I couldn't click this video fast enough. So excited when you upload.
Thank you!
Almost done with this and I must say- absolutely phenomenal video! I learned so much in here and it's crazy how actually self aware Fox News is. It blows my mind everytime time I learn of it. I had no idea how far back the 'liberal media' conspiracy went either.
Liberal media isn't a conspiracy. Fox just profits from pointing it out way too harshly and much too often.
That whole “liberal media” conspiracy line of attack didn’t start with Ailes and the Republican Party. It started with Goebbels and the Nazi Party.
That’s why you hear Trump and his GOP collaborators attacking journalists and media outlets as “fake news” - another way of saying “lying press,” aka _Lügenpresse._
That's the thing. They KNOW they're just pulling psychological levers, rather than taking a stance they actually believe in.
It's a cynical power grab. Always has been.
I just wish it didn't work so well.
I'm from Finland and I once I had seen some amount of Fox News clips I knew they were self-aware and that they obviously just want to make republicans more angry and confirm their biases:D What makes them the most money.
@@-AxisA- If one didn’t know any better you’d believe Fox News was all satire.
I can feel it man. THIS is the video that blows up. It’s insane how your videos aren’t pulling millions of views given how much research you do and the outstanding production quality. Best of luck my friend I’m rooting for you!
Yikes, I didn't realize that Ayles started with Nixon. That explains a lot, though.
Thanks, this was an eye opener!
This is a masterpiece. And I love this recent trend of drilling down on the micro-events of recent history as a way of getting at relevant philosophical concepts.
you got this out so fast!!! damn near 5 hours of content in this and your last upload, its wild to think how much went into both these videos. thanks for your hard work mate
Your output is insane, man. What a video.
Then & Now is what I wished History to be
So Leftistwashed history? Same
If my history lesson in school was replaced with videos like this my life’s trajectory would have been very different after high school.
Great job as always, the one thing that I wish you had included is the way they get away with inferring ridiculous ideas by presenting them as open questions ie "Is Obama a Marxist racist? Many of us are wondering that tonight"
Superb question the way they frame things is half the grift they manufacture controversy nobody thought something as insane as that before they started giving clowns like glen beck the platform to do it
Thanks so much for this. I knew some of this but did not know others. The damage Fox has done to my family is not as bad as some here, but I still have seen the signs myself. When I was young, I never heard my parents talk about race, conspiratorial stuff, denying science or about how they hated this or that person. But now, every time I visit, "blacks" or "illegals" are brought up at least once. Or I hear about how Trump was a good man that MSM just tried to make look bad for trying to support white. Or about how abortion is just a way to try and get rid of black people. But wait, the larger conspiracy is actually to get rid of white people by encouraging them to be gay or to marry non whites.
Im so tired. I want to fight back, but I only get to see them a few times a year. So even when I do make some headway, by the time I see them again its back to square one.
You've done what you can
Masterful breakdown. Thank you for the work you have put in
I used to watch Fox in the aughts for The Simpson, then would watch the news after. Somewhere in those years, I began to notice a strong dislike for their news and their presentation of said news. I learned to change the channel once The Simpson ended. Fox went on to capture my father’s attention and it changed him in the way so many other commenters describe. He died in September, angry, afraid, isolated, with his Fox News channel as his only comfort. I would rather not have that trash in my head in my final moments on earth. It makes me sad. It was an addiction of sorts, he was pretty much addicted to fox. It affected his decisions, his life, his relationships, everything became filtered through Fox, EVERYTHING. Very sad.
20 seconds in and I can already tell this will be a fantastic video, my parent's have been poisoned by the likes of Fox, OANN, Newsmax, ... thankfully I have managed to de-program my mother, but it took years and required her to admit her world view had been horrifically wrong, and that she had been a victim of facebook/talk radio/cable news propaganda, which isn't easy to do!
I am proud of her, but we had to have some real tough discussions about forcing 10 year olds to give birth to the children of their rapists, women being forced to carried around dead fetuses, EVERYTHING relating to trump's 2020 election lies, ... Eventually, she lost her job and started being forced to go into a 100f+ warehouse, for 10hr+ days, at 65 years old. Or she would have been, but I stepped up. Once she saw how much better I was treated by my employer, for several times her pay, completely remote, she was forced to admit that she was being exploited for pennies, and that maybe the fox-news worldview wasn't very reflective of reality. I told her: "mom, I do not defend this system of exploitation, if it was up to me the system wouldn't be setup this way, you were the one defending it previously.".
Once money was involved, and I started paying the bills, while she faced the prospect of going into a job she hated where she was treated like a child and was forced to work in extreme heat, she started taking everything I was saying __much__ more seriously. Now, she doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to, and has even realized how the local churches use christianity as a justification for spreading hate and tyranny, and the whole "god said to give me money!" scam (once that collection plate comes out in church... it should be OBVIOUS what is going on).
But that's what it took for her to escape the facebook/cable news fear-hate-ignorance bubble. It's insane how so many people in this area have been fed nothing but fear+hate+ignorance for over a decade at this point. They have been turned into theocratic fascists by propagandists who have no idea they even exist.
Wow great job man! I applaud you👏🏻 I can't even imagine how many hours that in whole have turned into days, weeks, a month, two or even a few it took to convince her to accept what's really going on. "It is easier to fool a man, than to convince him he has been fooled."
Convert to my ideology mom or I won’t take care of you!
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 If thats what you got from this, you need some reading comprehension classes. Oh, you're just doing exactly what the video just outlined. Thanks for the example!
@@tkdyo Look how bad you’re struggling mom, but that’s your ideology, not mine!
It is way harder to talk sense into your white husband that didn’t even graduate high school that make 80k a year and has all sorts of benefits that the system is broken. He worked hard to get where he and doesn’t understand that others just want the opportunities and respect the world has given him.
Outside of America, Fox News isn't even considered a News Station...
but some kind of American trible reality TV show... or a soap opera like Dallas was.... or more like, The Truman Show or Idiocracy.
YES, omg, thank you for saying it, "the best example of a POST MODERN news network."
these are always so cohesive, so well done
This is an incredible video! The quality, the narration, everything.
Thank you!
Thank you for putting so much effort into your videos. I genuinely love them, and they are very educative.
One of the things I absolutely loved to see was how you just talked about the news station and it's targets and not the viewers.
This is great. Been loving the setup in the last few videos. Out of curiosity, what camera do you use?
Thanks! Canon R6 at the moment.
@@ThenNow what kind of Camera lens?
@@Theorychad99 RF 15-35mm atm
@@ThenNow After watching & listening to a number of your videos I'm reminded of a quote that I read a number of years ago: "An army of pompous phrases marching across the landscape in search of an idea." That sums up your 'rhetoric' quite well don't you think? YT channel 'Then & Now' dumbing down the world one video at a time. LOL
@@autodidact537 absurd comment.
Loved the Fox News parody from Idiocracy. Was spot on. Lol
Always reliable, relevant and well delivered content! Thank you!
Much alike Fox'...
@@stanislavstoimenov1729 If "alike" means dead opposite, yes.
0/10 for Fox News, I haven’t learnt anything new about foxes.
I never understood why fox not news always tries to portray itself, as not part of the media!?
This deserves way more views. One of the best I’ve seen about Fox News. Great work!
This video was very helpful to me. It was deep for me.
I just found this channel! Mind blown! Keep up the good work!
It will be lost on them - for irony is always lost on the foot soldiers of the Right - but it's now clearer than ever that their political goals and those of the Islamists are pretty much indistinguishable.
The idolisation of weaponry; the curbing of womens' and reproductive rights; the naturalising of contingent gender roles; how religion and the state demands bloody sacrifices; and how that religious teaching should determine the laws of everyone; unshakable devotion to their leader; the ease at which they turn to violence against civilians for political ends... they're merely looking at their mirror image.
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Christ...
Yep and it's funny that right-wingers don't realize radical islamists are members if the far-right too:D 9/11 was a far-right attack too like many school shootings in the US are too. Just different religions are what separates them. (Thought they believe in the same god.)
you're missing the point...
there is about a third of human brains worldwide that are organized this way.
the real question is what software do you prefer is running in those brains?
the christian religious right, literally ended slavery, built america, put down the nazi's and is now by and large one of the most peaceful collections of people in all of human history. of all the religious ethnonationalists, they get along better with people than any other ideology.
i'm not one of them. but i do of course realize if you aren't tolerant of them, or back them into a corner. they become more extreme. *you become the extremist, lacking understanding*
if you try to eradicate them, then some other ideology attractive to that brain type is inevitable. *one that is better at self defense*
you actually need some force that puts the brakes on the explorer brain types, or pretty soon some pretty wild stuff happens as well. like Mao and his 100m deaths, or Lenin with his 80M.
nature built us to balance each other in small tribes of mutual self reliance.
do not make the mistake of believing that because you can silo yourself into billions of people that think like you; that humans are capable of surviving without the other archetypes of the tribe...
this wholistic insight is what the left used to do well...true populism. be careful that dogma doesn't creep in and turn it into the same monster you despise.
in many ways explorer minds are now exploring conservation, and the dogmatic and inflexible are now marching lockstep behind some pretty awful ideas and fawning over horrific leaders.
it's starting to flip
@@apokatastasian2831 Ah, here's one of the modern day barbarians, right on cue.
Hey, I really love your content, but it I find it really inconvinient how the loudness of the main story (your voice/other speech clips) is jumping around in volume. Also the Music sometimes is to loud (for my taste) to understand you confortably. This is something that I have been seeing on your oder Videos as well.
If you need help with that, I'd be open helping you.
But eather way continue doing awesome stuff^^
These documentaries are fantastic. High quality and touches upon many important topics. I salute you!
This is so good. Bravo
The best channel I got recommended in months!
Excellent video!
I remember when Fox News started to gain popularity as I was still in school during the Iraq invasion. This video is spot on.
Quality content. I can't believe you're not even at 200k subs. You'll be there in no time with videos like this
As a German I always start to laugh, when American Republicans call anyone they don’t agree with a communist 😂
Great, great video, incredibly informative
You are the first youtuber I support in Patreon. I studied philosophy, so I feel we're part of a team. Keep up the good work.
This is a problem everywhere. Even SkyNews Australia who is also run by Murdock has the same effect here in Australia.
Hey just found your channel, immediately subbed and watched like 10 vids. Keep up the good fight comrade
Here from Hasanabi. Glad he showed one of your videos. Love your work definitely a new sub!
Now do a video on the influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy.
This was an amazing video, thank you ver much. Kinda reminded me of Alan (Adam?) Curtis docs! Bravo
You so god-damned good I got no comments. What can be said about perfection?
Super relevant and informative. Not to mention somewhat entertaining. Keep it up!
as always , impressive , keep going
Edit: See It Now cancelled in *1958*. Another great one, cheers!
Amazing video, im learning a lot. Thank you for your work. Greetings from the south, Chile.
OMG Epic project! Well done, dude!
20:46 deleuze in one of his abecedaire interviews talks about advertising coming up as the direct rival of philosophy
it really resonates here
Which letter is that?
@@ehsanghazavi470h for history of philosophy, part 2
@@heartache5742 thanks!
fantastic video! though it took me a few days to get through it. so much incredible information here and brilliantly researched.
In the wake of trumps reelection, I find many of the points made in this video especially pertinent. Democratic politicians and consultants are scratching their heads, asking themselves “how is it that the policies we advocate for are constantly winning in ballot initiatives and yet our candidates losing?” And I think the answer is much the same as your philosophical analysis here. In the context of postmodern political life, he who manages to create a cohesive narrative is the one who wins it all, and the Democratic Party’s miopic focus on policy (and active pushing back on any real rhetoric) left the republicans as the only party that offered Americans a consistent narrative on why you should vote for them. Sure Democratic policies are for the most part popular but absent of a strong narrative, nobody really cared to go out and vote for them.
Given the contentious nature of this claim I won’t say that Bernie sanders would have won, but what Bernie offered the Democratic Party was, much in the way trump offered the Republican Party, was a cohesive narrative in which to rally support based on in the modern age of populism. He recognized Americans’ anger’s, pointed out an enemy and made his entire campaign about fighting this enemy. The billionaires who run the economy, the 1% the people trying to keep “you” the working class back for their own nefarious purposes. He promised sweeping reforms and real change to people who were begging for real change, and the Democratic establishment saw this as a threat, and put tall their effort behind killing the momentum for him.
It’s no wonder that many people who supported Bernie in 2016 eventually turned to trump, and that the minority groups that most swung to trump in 2020 and 2024 were the same groups that were the most enthusiastic Bernie supporters in 2016. Bernie and trump both offered something that, regardless of the actual political positions, was unabashedly not the status quo politics that had come to become synonymous with corruption in Washington and impotent incrementalism. They offered a narrative of why they can be the one to remake society.
As the finger pointing goes on behind the scenes and democrats try to blame the left for losing the election, I fear that the democrats will never truly understand that it’s their ideology and not policies that push people away, and I fear it’s too late for them to course correct.
your videos are always so informative and thought provoking. thank you!
Really will done - happy to support your work via RUclips and Patreon.
Amazing piece.
Amazing work. Thank you.
Fantastic video as usual. Your vids are so well produced in general, but I feel a little more attention to mixing audio could go a long way. Anyway, love your channel and this vid was great overall!
Fantastic video!
Outstanding work!
His use of music and images and short punchy phrases mimics the propaganda tactics he is critiquing. And he does a great job at it with amazing production value and I agree with his critique. But are we all doomed to reduce everything to rhetoric and theater?
Enjoyed the education about the evolution of TV news
So Fox News rise to power can be summarized by Megamind:
- Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one.
- Yeah? What's the difference?
- Presentation!
Television...now indistinguishable from the tabloids
Have just found your channel and the brilliant content you post here. Many thanks.
Now do CNN!
This was WAY more interesting than I initially thought from the title. It shines some light on the origins of the cult-like beliefs and behaviors of the typical Fox News viewers, and on the events that happened during the last couple of decades.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work mate
in other words: rupert murdock is the george soros that fox news warned you about
every conservative accusation is a confession
👆🏻lol brilliant!
May I steal that?
I love any video that covers the failings of Fox News.
the medium is the message yes
wow so much information 🤔😊🥰😏
great video. keep it up please
Thank you, Sir! I might be reading too much into it, but you've got me thinking about my politics. I do believe Corporations/Capitalism = evil. I wasn't fed my beliefs by any media source, just from living with my eyes open. Yes, I see destruction of life as we know it on the horizon. People keep telling me to focus on the little things, but if I do, and everyone else does, how do we attend to the big things before they attend to us? Sorry to babble. Keep doing what you are doing!
Well. That's the whole point of telling people to focus on the little things. Its so that we're too divided to focus on the big issues.
@@thisguy8106 It really feels like the 'carbon footprint' model.
Making more angry individuals? Heck yeah. American capitalism does that on its own it drives people into rugged individuality. So when you have Trucker yelling about how that’s minority’s faults and not a fault of the system itself. They listen. Their anger has to go somewhere.
Surprisingly in depth as to the rhetorical techniques and strangely convoluted history of Fox News. Tucker Carlson's show is pure Social Dominance Theory in action.
Another home run! Well done! And, yes, I know I use a lot of exclamation (marks) points!
Great job. Listening to this on headphones your voice is all over the place though.
"Culturally modern and economically working toward the future", wtf does that mean? That is a very broad overview of something that requires heafty breaking down instead of being quickly glossed over in an assumingly positive light.
1:16:43
Chris Morris managed to nail how the news works back in the 90s with The Day Today and Brasseye.
Lewis, are you familiar with Brian Massumi´s essay on Reagan in Parables for the Virtual?
Beautiful! I love your videos more and more with each upload.
BTW, I'm doing a Master's thesis about trust factors in the news and media consumption, measuring them across two heterogeneous countries, so I've been engrossed in news, politics, culture, and media theory.
Here's an interesting criticism of the factoid about the Nixon vs. JFK speech that I find quite interesting: the myth goes that people who saw the debate live on TV voted for JFK while the people who heard it on the radio voted for Nixon. Analysts originally attributed this to the powerful allure of television's visual focus. However, a few critics have been railing against this interpretation. They say that the difference has less to do with media of choice and more to do with existing class lines that correlate with those media. People who could afford TV sets in those days tended to be more well-off and vote democrat. Those who listened to the radio tended to be poorer conservatives working jobs where radio is the media of choice (truckers, construction, etc.). I think it's a mix of both things, but the class argument is compelling and seems to fit into the narrative a lot of media analysts tend to push about the absolute power of media as a king-maker. tool (perhaps such power is overestimated).
Food for thought.
Loved this video! just out of curiosity, are u from brighton or bristol? you give those vibes lol
banger as always
Great video as always. I think its worth pointing out that while Fox News does have a larger viewing audience than other individual News organizations, that's primarily because more centrist or left leaning viewers have a larger selection. If you compared the number of people watching Conservative news networks to how many people are watching centrist or left leaning networks, the numbers favour liberal news networks.
This video is woefully lowly virewed. More people need to see this and sit with its’ impact. Incredibly well done documentary presentation.
its been along time i watched such agood video on this topic.
"pre-prepared"
do you mean prepared?
Mixed feelings... Took note of editing style, subtle musical underpins... I mean, yeah, you're mostly right (or, you might be), but in today's environment, your message wouldn't have made it all the way to my screen without these tricks you have, no doubt, mastered.
I. Love. Your. Channel.
How has this only got 36,000 views. It's like Adam Curtis at his very best.
the "values" of all three Abrahamic Religions are at odds with a liberal democracy. Every Monotheistic belief is at odds with Democracy. A core belief centered arround an unchanging overlord is fundamentally opposed to democratic ideals. This does not however mean that the followers of said religion must be at odds as well. It really depends on how seriously they take their ancient tomes.
It is quite interesting, that even in other countries (in my case Russia) translated programms from FoxNews have millions views
That's concerning isn't it? Implies the message of Fox News benefits the dominant power in Russia.
@@PensnmusicI can agree that Fox news' position on some issues coincides with the opinion of our government (for example, LGBT, abortion, or Biden's incompetence). However, ordinary people make RUclips views, which means that in Russia there is some request for such a policy from the population
@@Pensnmusic Where did that implication come from? You have the single premise of "Many people in other countries watch Fox News videos", and your conclusion is "It benefits the dominant power of Russia". Maybe you ought to reexamine what was the second premise, the "silent" one, that you have in your head. Maybe the second premise is that "Fox News works with the Russian government". It's just plain incorrect.
As a foreigner, I will tell you that I prefer to watch Fox News videos more than let's say CNN, because my people have seen on our own skin the depth of lies that CNN uses. Also, I am discouraged by Newspeak, racial/sexual/gender minoritarianism, boring Trump bashing. Same with most of the world, except most American zoomers, most American millenials, and a handful of people and teen girls in Western Europe. Literally nobody else is woke, anywhere.
@@Pensnmusic they wouldn't rebroadcast the clips on state tv if it didn't
@@Liberal3000 ordinary russians don't just come out fully formed from the brick walls of commie blocks, they have to be cultivated
that is why putin really cares about media control, and it seems to be working
You know, Martin Lawrence wasn't born in the United States. He was born in Germany 🇩🇪