Hey Dave, I know why there was 3 stays. They are for cooking, you put 2 in the ground and the 3rd goes in the eyelets of the first for a spit type of hanger
I used to have one of those. Very robust and light weight. Besides ganging the upper and lower staves for their combined strength, the central bar also serves to keep the load from squeezing into the air space. You will probably find the bars on your originals are bent slightly in that direction.
Multi-purposing in mind, instead of 2 wire stays, carry about 6 (3 on each side) made out of steel and you have a nice little camp grill on your pack at all times. :D
Another great vid Dave, the frame looks like the back of an old school chair, wonder if thats where they got the idea, could be used in camp as a lean to chair or frame for a table top, thinking multiple uses.
Love the design of this frame I have made a Roy Croft style. Love the versatility of The frame style packs. I spent 200$ on a back pack but it cannot compare in versatility to a frame style pack with the gear I like to carry on a hike or overnighter. Thanks Dave.
+Badger0fDeath I don't think so. Titebond starts sticking between half an hour and 2 hours, full strength is closer to 24 hours, depending on humidity, temperature, wood species, moisture content of the wood. That us why some people will use screws and brad nails to hild the joint until the glue dries.
Great project. I am seriously considering this for an upcoming trip hiking 30 miles on the Appalachian Trail this summer. What do you think about using hardwood dowels instead of screws? I like dowels because, glued, they become a part of the wood. Seems like screws can tear the wood under stress and come out. Thanks for the great video!
Hi Dave, does the Trapper Nelson pack require a lower back pad to prevent the lower vertical frame digging into your butt, particularly certain body shape like ladies who have wider hips / curved lower spine? This seems a wonderful enabling project. Thanks Greg
I like this series. The frames look easy enough to build, but then you would have to get the correct backpack for the frame... Will you be doing a video on Oilcloth tarps or will that be something you have to attend the class to do? Take care Dave.
Interesting pack frame, and thanks for another great video! :) How does it compare comfort wise to the roycroft? How much weight is it comfortable to carry on each or haven't you tried that yet?
+Torrey Jones I had one for bush work in the 80s and occasionally packed loads as heavy as I though the straps could take, though the wood creaked a little with each step. I think the uprights on mine may have been something stronger than pine though, to carry those loads and take the rough treatment I gave it. The canvas wrap-around spreads the weight evenly across your whole back, with no hot spots -- just one very large, warm, sweaty one. All the weight was on my shoulders, except I could reach down behind me and support the bottom ends of the uprights with my hands.
Question well more a suggestion wouldn't it be better to use a net as the back piece instead of the canvas as it would be more flexible and easier to make out in the bush then a hunk of canvas. Not sure if it was designed with a net in mind but I was wondering if you could tell me why canvas.
+LilFluffBall Net would reduce heat, as well. Junglecrafty has some videos where that general idea is incorporated. To be honest, I'm a little surprised there isn't more on the versatility of the net on bushcrafting/survival/bug-out videos. You can weave vegetation through it for camouflage (replacing it sometimes when it starts to die & changes color), use it as a bag, use it for a climbing aid, use it for a hammock, and as a net is generally used.
Would this frame be suitable for multi-day hikes? I want to get myself a backpack frame but would rather much build myself one since they're so expensive.
i love my hand drill its even more basic than that one its just a U spin it i use it for all most everything i need to drill unless i need to do more than 5 holes in some thick hard wood or metal
Dave I save the wire from political signs after elections it can be used for many things ,really strong and it is about the only good thing we get from most of our elected officals
Awesome video Dave, I love watching all of you're amazing idea's you come up with. I have a question for you. Do you ever plan to make any Stainless Steel skinning knives. Thank you!!
+Scott Browning If I may suggest a skinning knife for small game and if you want large game (done a little bit of large not much but alot of small game never the less) is a Wasp by jacklore great small neck knives but quite costly tbh
+LilFluffBall Thanks buddy be for big game but I only use about a 3 inch blade. I have more control over a big knife. any good Stainless Steel let me know. For Alaska around saltwater and being wet must of the time.I have a 440C knife think I'll try D2 next.
+WV Bushcraft Doubtful, lots of work in these, they will be a project for students in Woodcraft 2 Class at the School to build themselves from provided materials
+WV Bushcraft oh he most likely will, just say how much you will be offering to pay and he will tell you how and if its a deal and when it'd be shipped.
My Trapper Nelson is 70 years old and if anything better than new, it's soft and broken in. the only thing not original is the leather flap straps they gave out years ago and I replaced them.
This video would, IMO be a bit better if your face was not missing. I have a much easier time understanding the content when I get the full body language as well for some reason. but still as always great video. Might make one of these, already have a bull pack and a frame made from sticks and cordage, I think the stick one is one you showed how to make as well.
Hey Dave, I know why there was 3 stays.
They are for cooking, you put 2 in the ground and the 3rd goes in the eyelets of the first for a spit type of hanger
I used to have one of those. Very robust and light weight. Besides ganging the upper and lower staves for their combined strength, the central bar also serves to keep the load from squeezing into the air space. You will probably find the bars on your originals are bent slightly in that direction.
Multi-purposing in mind, instead of 2 wire stays, carry about 6 (3 on each side) made out of steel and you have a nice little camp grill on your pack at all times. :D
Nice project can't wait to see the finished project.
Another great vid Dave, the frame looks like the back of an old school chair, wonder if thats where they got the idea, could be used in camp as a lean to chair or frame for a table top, thinking multiple uses.
Love the design of this frame I have made a Roy Croft style. Love the versatility of The frame style packs. I spent 200$ on a back pack but it cannot compare in versatility to a frame style pack with the gear I like to carry on a hike or overnighter. Thanks Dave.
Thanks for the step by step and I'm loving that orange Jeep XJ shirt your wearing.
Heads up, Titebond is water soluble. For waterproof you'd have to go to Titebond 2 or 3, epoxy or construction adhesive like liquid nails.
agree. go waterproof.
+Badger0fDeath I don't think so. Titebond starts sticking between half an hour and 2 hours, full strength is closer to 24 hours, depending on humidity, temperature, wood species, moisture content of the wood. That us why some people will use screws and brad nails to hild the joint until the glue dries.
Great project. I am seriously considering this for an upcoming trip hiking 30 miles on the Appalachian Trail this summer. What do you think about using hardwood dowels instead of screws? I like dowels because, glued, they become a part of the wood. Seems like screws can tear the wood under stress and come out. Thanks for the great video!
Hi Dave, does the Trapper Nelson pack require a lower back pad to prevent the lower vertical frame digging into your butt, particularly certain body shape like ladies who have wider hips / curved lower spine? This seems a wonderful enabling project. Thanks Greg
Thank you; good stuff.
Curious why you are using oak on one and pine on the other. Are you comparing properties of the woods?
I like this series. The frames look easy enough to build, but then you would have to get the correct backpack for the frame... Will you be doing a video on Oilcloth tarps or will that be something you have to attend the class to do? Take care Dave.
very cool project!
Interesting pack frame, and thanks for another great video! :)
How does it compare comfort wise to the roycroft? How much weight is it comfortable to carry on each or haven't you tried that yet?
+Torrey Jones I had one for bush work in the 80s and occasionally packed loads as heavy as I though the straps could take, though the wood creaked a little with each step. I think the uprights on mine may have been something stronger than pine though, to carry those loads and take the rough treatment I gave it. The canvas wrap-around spreads the weight evenly across your whole back, with no hot spots -- just one very large, warm, sweaty one. All the weight was on my shoulders, except I could reach down behind me and support the bottom ends of the uprights with my hands.
Question well more a suggestion wouldn't it be better to use a net as the back piece instead of the canvas as it would be more flexible and easier to make out in the bush then a hunk of canvas. Not sure if it was designed with a net in mind but I was wondering if you could tell me why canvas.
+LilFluffBall If look at the title brother I am recreating an existing pack from the 20's not trying to make something different
I know, but I am just wondering why they would choose canvas. Either way I enjoy it.
+LilFluffBall Net would reduce heat, as well. Junglecrafty has some videos where that general idea is incorporated. To be honest, I'm a little surprised there isn't more on the versatility of the net on bushcrafting/survival/bug-out videos. You can weave vegetation through it for camouflage (replacing it sometimes when it starts to die & changes color), use it as a bag, use it for a climbing aid, use it for a hammock, and as a net is generally used.
I missed the gentleman's information you were talking about restoring you hand saw . I have Granddaddy's saw I need help with!
Look up Paul Sellers on youtube. lots of good info on how to set up a saw.
Would this frame be suitable for multi-day hikes? I want to get myself a backpack frame but would rather much build myself one since they're so expensive.
+Archer Bunta - No the trappers would build a new one every day (that is sarcasm)
i love my hand drill its even more basic than that one its just a U spin it i use it for all most everything i need to drill unless i need to do more than 5 holes in some thick hard wood or metal
how do you bend those staves?
I sure someone asked already but what are the dimensions of this pack
Thanks Dave, for the videos.
I think the pack is awesome.
Hello from FRANCE do you have a plans or diagrams of the Frame ? Thanks !
I've used those to pack out elk. And I admit that I should have used them year round so not to become unfamiliar. As all bush crafts.
Dave I save the wire from political signs after elections it can be used for many things ,really strong and it is about the only good thing we get from most of our elected officals
Dave, what kind of wood is your mallet ? I need to make one
Awesome video Dave, I love watching all of you're amazing idea's you come up with. I have a question for you. Do you ever plan to make any Stainless Steel skinning knives. Thank you!!
+Scott Browning If I may suggest a skinning knife for small game and if you want large game (done a little bit of large not much but alot of small game never the less) is a Wasp by jacklore great small neck knives but quite costly tbh
+LilFluffBall Thanks buddy be for big game but I only use about a 3 inch blade. I have more control over a big knife. any good Stainless Steel let me know. For Alaska around saltwater and being wet must of the time.I have a 440C knife think I'll try D2 next.
Are you going to eventually sell any packs like this at self reliance outfitters?
+WV Bushcraft Doubtful, lots of work in these, they will be a project for students in Woodcraft 2 Class at the School to build themselves from provided materials
+WV Bushcraft oh he most likely will, just say how much you will be offering to pay and he will tell you how and if its a deal and when it'd be shipped.
+wildernessoutfitters How about a kit with pre-bent wood and the necessary pre sewn bag and canvas back plate
My Trapper Nelson is 70 years old and if anything better than new, it's soft and broken in. the only thing not original is the leather flap straps they gave out years ago and I replaced them.
Another great video. very well explained atb John
Oak frames made sense as pine will rot quickly
+Silkworm Linseed Oil ; )
+Happy Pancake bear grease
i found 2 boy scout packs like that on Etsy for $1200.00.
Do you ever use Yankee screwdrivers
This video would, IMO be a bit better if your face was not missing. I have a much easier time understanding the content when I get the full body language as well for some reason.
but still as always great video.
Might make one of these, already have a bull pack and a frame made from sticks and cordage, I think the stick one is one you showed how to make as well.
Outstanding
Could you do a new Jeep video please??
puts Portuguese translation because here in Brazil you have many fans like me
Thank you for this video
Im lovin ALL your videos
Dave, you need a beehive so you will have wax for your screws :)
+ArtisanTony Or use Brass screws etc ; )
+Jay Boothe But even then, wax brass screws and they go in oak much easier.
you shud make your own clamps one day =D
red green would say yer handy lloll