The way I breed my animals without inbreeding is actually by having two separate pairs to breed from that way I can arrange them to breed with eachother later on.
I have 3 and rotate them in circles, but it still can get to a point, where they mix up so much after a few generations, that the last two stats become a difficulty
This guide is very accurate for breeding mechanics, good job. I don't inbreed and choose to use the market instead. I realize this potentially makes my life harder but it's just how I choose to play.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus I'm looking forward to your final video. If I may, here are a few things that I do that were not covered above: 1) When I am starting to try to breed an "expensive" animal (elephant, bonobo, western chimp, etc) I buy a cheap one first and place it into a habitat so I can conduct research (to get the 30% fertility buff) before I go live with the animals I intend to actually breed. 2) When you buy an animal from the trade center the game will not recognize it for "compare mates" until it has been in a habitat, so I will send them to a habitat for a few seconds, then back to the trade center. This way I can see them for "compare mates" down the road. 3) Releasing an animal to the wild directly from the habitat nets more credits than moving them to the trade center and releasing them from there (this is handy for things like male lions where the actual trade market is over saturated.) 4) If you have a great male animal that studs multiple females (such as an elephant or primate) you should move him to the trade center to suspend time while his females go through their interbirth period. That way his clock isn't ticking while he can't get anything pregnant. 5) If you watch the trade center for rare animals the game will occasionally throw "junk" in there that starts with a 10 minute timer. These animals are all middle aged, below bronze quality BUT sometimes you get lucky and they will have good Size / Longevity and horrible Fertility and Immunity and be a great breeding animal. And they're cheap (think 500 credits for an elephant instead of 4,000 for a below average female).
@@superbeast39 These are all good tips, for sure. I covered number 3 briefly in the conservation credit video, but Ill do my best to put the others into the Perfect Animals video. Should be out wednesday, if not tomorrow (had a busy couple days).
superbeast39 These are great tips! I’ve been placing all of my best breeding animals in the trade center (including females after breeding and birthing) until I’ve went through and found my best matches. Send them out to breed, put the male back, let the female have her babies, and then she goes back. I keep all the babies in a nursery with the elderly and infertile animals until they reach maturity, then they either get stored for mating or sold/traded out. It can be monotonous moving them all back and forth, but it seems like it’s working for me at least. I’ve only had one animal die from old age and the offspring are now nearly perfect.
@@taylorrae8832 I'm gonna start using my trade center more for that. I have a nice collection of high stat cheetahs and wild dogs. When they are born, I name the ones I'm not keeping Craigslist then leave them in the enclosure to grow so I can sell them.
As stated in a children's movie that shall remain nameless, "See a need, fill a need". Also, don't tell anyone but I'm far better at guides like this than speed builds. Shhh
Good point. Personally, I inbreed them. I usually make it a point when talking to people who wish to avoid inbreeding, though. At the time I thought they were firmly in the minority but have since realized it's a pretty big group. If or when we see the mechanics change enough to warrant another video I'll go into more depth on methods to avoid inbreeding.
Oh gosh. Best of luck, my friend. The market is your biggest ally. Check out the perfect animal breeding video if you haven't already. It uses inbreeding, but the info on finding matches still applies. It'll feel all that much better when you do get it though.
Unfortunately I'm new to editing entirely as of about 3 weeks ago so this will improve over time. I am aware the issue is worse for anyone listening via external speakers on PC and phones, as until very recently I have only tested all audio with headphones. In the interest of self-improvement, did you listen on speakers or headphones/earbuds?
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus I am actually listening on a pair of cheap headphones. For volume balancing try comparing your videos sound to other tutorials. I know i my own experience that the editor's playback quality is often alot higher than what is seen on RUclips. You could try looking at the post rendered video or even review the quality after it has been uploaded before making it public. It can often take a month or two to get the video and audio settings balanced, but once they are set you generaly dont have to mess with them again. Or until you buy a new mic or update your editor.
@@MrOneWolfe Thanks for the excellent tips! I'll try these things very soon. To be honest I get the feeling my mic may be hurting me as well, since even on streams I have to turn the gain up by about 10+ db. I'm prone to mumble but not anywhere near that bad lol.
Since you said to replace the mothers with their own offspring, how do you keep track of this in a habitat with multiple females? The family tree isn't working so I can't really look it up and it's too much of a hassle to start naming them all.
Notifications. Unfortunately that's all we really have to go off of right now. "animal has given birth" stays up in your notifications reel. If you miss a couple, you can sort the babies by age and compare that to the order the "has given birth" notifications appeared. The one time I would definitely recommend naming would be in the case of duplicate names. Some of the names I just add another syllable or something (Siddharth->Siddhartha).
What should you do if you breed an animal and the offspring's stats end up being better of one stat (longevity) but worse than the other stat stat (size) relative to the parent?
Apologies for the late reply, but don't be afraid to skip a litter without replacing the parent. Most animals can have several litters before they reach sterility, and you only need one infant of each gender to keep the line going. Otherwise always compare mates and make sure there is a reasonable chance of stat growth (the bar goes past where the parents stats are) before you assign mates. You might have to do some shuffling around between mates or one might reach sterility without being replaced, but you can always either keep a reserve in the Trade Center or buy one off the market to fill in. Hope that helps and I'm not too late :)
Thank you for making these videos! I can tell you put a lot of work into them, and after only finding click-bait cursory articles on these topics your videos were a welcome find. A few questions though: Your comments about the difficulty of breeding without inbreeding seem a bit exaggerated to me. If you have, say, four exhibits in your breeding zoo that you rotate the animals through, filtering to get them better each generation, use other franchise zoos to continue breeding these animals, and only take animals off the market with exceptional genes, wouldn't that make it relatively easy to breed without inbreeding(at least among close relatives)? It's just a matter of having a large enough base population of the animal right? Also you say something either in this video or your other one about how if you don't use inbreeding you're "wasting" the genetic diversity you originally started out with. Can you explain that? Since in nature inbreeding tends to limit genetic diversity substantially do the genetics in PZ work differently? Other two questions are easier. How would you classify the animals that only allow the alphas to breed, such as timber wolves and african wild dogs? I'm guessing you'd put them in the 1/1 category since I can't see a good reason why you'd keep more adults in there just to fight it out, but I'm curious. Also, again because curious, if you take a mother away from her own offspring and put her in another habitat that still has offspring, just not her own, will she wait until the cubs/calves/etc in that habitat grow up or will she then prescribe to the listed interbirth period? Like if you move a wolf who just gave birth away from her own young to another exhibit which also has puppies, would she wait 2 - 4 years for those puppies to grow up or mate again in 12 months because the kids aren't hers? Again, thank you for the video. It was wonderful to have info from someone with actual knowledge of the systems instead of basic tutorial level stuff. Keep up the good work, looking forward to your layout video.
Inbreeding in this game is very dissimilar to inbreeding in real life when done right. In real life when you interbreed within a family you push out any chance at genetic diversity since no new genes are coming in. The way to properly inbreed in PZ involves basically bringing in several sets of families and preserving the DNA within those families via inbreeding so that when the time comes you can cross-breed them with others of a different family tree. It gets a little muddled in the 1 male/x female configuration since all offspring are inheriting genes from the male so it becomes especially important that you not male the genes even more similar by mixing mothers (turning several small family trees into one big one) and that you start with the best male and the most females possible to limit the number of chances for the females to become more like him. Even in a perfect system they sometimes become mixed, which is why I always suggest at least two habitats. As for inbreeding being easier or not, I'd say that proper breeding USING THE MARKET is much easier. If you are trying for perfect animals and you have the CC to spend on 200x animals then that is by-far the simplest way to get them. Just buy several mates of one gender and check the market for a male that is a match. Eventually you'll find one. That all make sense? For the other two questions, yes and yes. Any animal with an alpha female should be mated 1 to 1. Theres no point in having multiple males if they can only mate with one female. Monogamous animals you could potentially move to a habitat to bond and then group with others of the same species but you'd have to pay close attention to the notifications and it'd be somewhat of a logistics nightmare to keep track of whose mate is whose. Then with mothers, they only wait to get pregnant if their offspring are in the hab with them. Ik other babies don't matter because in the one male to x females habitats the females dont wait for other babies to grow up, and I only don't move the babies out when I replace their mothers. Hope that cleared everything up. I responded on my phone and my thumbs are sore XP
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus Lol sorry about your fingers. Thank you for explaining though, that cleared up a lot. Your strategy makes more sense when thinking of it as family dna vs individual dna. I'm guessing you'd do inbreeding then until you get 200x animals and then interbreed the families? Also I'm assuming the fertility and immunity genes depend more on the variety of dna going into them and not as much on the dna themselves? That's the only explanation I can think of for the 0% + 0% = 100% fertility example you use in the video. So interbreeding the families would then restore the more depleted immunity and fertility pools which is why you shouldn't mix them before that? Do I have all that sorta correct or are my assumptions wrong? Thank you again for all the information. I think I'm going to try my hand at a farm zoo again. I'm not going to do direct inbreeding most likely because annoying morals won't go away lol but understanding the most efficient way to do things helps a lot when planning alternative strategies. Hopefully more people get a hold of information like this so 200x animals become more common on the marketplace to make things easier for all of us. Again, good work on the vids! :)
@@korvet8482 Yeah thats all pretty much correct. When you inbreed animals their genes are much more random. The second two can land anywhere from 0-100 in the same litter. However as for genetic diversity increasing those stats outcomes, its more complicated than that. From what I can tell there is some sort of gene system at play that adds a ton of randomness to the mix on the last two. Quite honestly I can't pin it down without datamining the actual breeding algorithm as its too complicated to track. Good luck on your farm zoo! I'll be making a video on layouts soon that might help you plan things out. Trying to release it alongside another relevant video on happiness, but there are some complications I'll discuss when that comes out.
Haha I'm glad you're so enthusiastic for the game. I have been streaming it fairly irregularly, but it's quite a long-life game for a let's play. Gonna be starting Life is Strange 2 though shortly if that strikes your fancy?
You have to remove the alpha male/female and (unless they patch it) also remove them from the trade center by placing them in another habitat or selling them. Then I believe the next animal to successfully try to mate becomes the alpha of that gender.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus oh...okay. I've been doing that but I was hoping there was an easier way. Lol...I had to cycle through five wild dogs before I got to my high stat male and female.
@@ChristiIsabel Yeah having a dummy enclosure (real zoos have holding areas) to temporarily place all the animals you don't want to become alphas in is the simplest way but still not ideal. Maybe it'll be changed in the future :)
bro, i cant seem to be able to get better stats with inbreeding. I always get worse stats no matter what. As the offspring stats are bad, i sell them so now i have the problem that the good stats parents are near to death and i dont really know what to do, plus i didnt earn that many conservation credits to be honest (not even 1k) and i've released at least like 20 animals (Timberwolves and wild dogs) They keep inbreeding so they keep stacking worse and worse stats until i end with the good stats parents diying.
Sorry for the late reply, but the problem is partly with which animals you're using. Wolves breed easily, but due to being stuck with just one alpha male and one alpha female per enclosure, plus having to deal with sorting out the alpha status on both genders it is much harder to get results. The issue is probably that the offspring which are slightly better in size and longevity probably do not have breeding rights with the alpha since there is another alpha present. You need to fully get rid of the alpha to change it, or move the new animal to a different enclosure. Your best bet early on though would be something like bears which give you more CC each, but breed slower (and have a longer life) or tigers if you can afford them (give plenty of CC, but are more expensive to maintain in numbers. The endgame is elephants. Period. Very low maintenance (the main reason) and pretty high CC yields per animal. You may even be able to find some of these really cheap from generous folks sitting on hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of CC. Trust me, once you get the ball rolling CC doesn't matter at all anymore. Game becomes easy.
I have a bit of a hard time wrapping my head around this. So you're saying that even though you have inbred animals with 0% fertility in both parents, doesn't matter? And I'm not sure I understand how to raise those two stats at a later point?
Apologies on the late reply but: It matters on some animals. The only thing that really matters with fertility is the chance of conception. With pandas they can't both be at 0% or you'll fail to conceive, however with some species you can absolutely still mate at 0 fertility on both animals (unless they've changed it). Just check the conception chance when you compare mates. As far as raising those two stats later, the only real point would be if you're going for perfect animals. It is really tricky, but luckily I have a video on that too! Check it out. Hope it helps you understand.
If I don’t want my wolves or anything to inbreed I put them on birth control till they die and I get a new one and take them off or just leave em that way
Great video! One question: What does the size gene affect? Obviously for the longevity gene it is how long they can live for, which is important for obvious reasons...but if the size gene just affects how big or small the animals are then does it really matter?
Not one bit as far as I can tell. The animal does literally get bigger (100 size is about 2x the size of a 0 size animal, just like 100 longevity lives twice as long as a 0). The biggest reason to breed them up is that it helps you consistently get gold animals which release for more CC.
It may take a few tries, but mating them together should produce a better pair of offspring eventually. In the case of the example, as long as you produce a female with an 85 or higher to mate with the son, the line continues and you get another generation with a chance to make better babies. Very rarely you might have to accept a worse offspring to avoid that line from dying out.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus but when I do "compare mates" the pink bar, which means the offspring potencial, is just a line in the 85. If I keep on mating them they will give me better then 85?
@@goncaloferreira2360 if they don't then the offspring might. There is a degree of randomness in selecting genes so the offsprings genes are not necessarily an exact mix of the parents. This is that little rut that I mentioned you can fall in but a couple generations usually works out the kinks. If you dont wanna deal with it you can buy one from the market to mate with.
Gotta give props to the game devs for building the system with actual genetic principles. Wouldn't do them much justice to dumb it down haha. Glad I could help.
@@dudewheresmycar6318 Selective breeding is how people achieve the traits they want in future generations. When your selection of mates is limited, sometimes people inbreed animals. Somewhat common in horses and dogs. Royalty too. Pure bloodlines etc.
The guide is not up to date anymore, but mostly in regards to the pedigree tree actually being a more complete feature now. Pretty much all the mechanics are the same, but if I'm being honest I've not done franchise in a while so I can't say for certain on the 0% fertility anymore.
Him:you need to split two adult males Me:that puts more males in there so i can see who becomes the alpha male also this is a story So i was putting in a new wolf and fighting the alpha wolf and this wolf that i added in fought the alpha before i was ready and it got bullied by the alpa then the wolf took over the alpha spot and now im gonna make them fight again to get the alphas spot back.
What do you do when the female offspring is completely crap and only male offspring ever have improving stats? Just replace the other parent? Can you go back and forth on replacing mom, replacing dad etc as the stats improve only with one offspring or another? Or stay with one parent and just wait until an offspring is better? What about when the original parent ages and becomes infertile or dies? Is it different for 1:1 animals than the polygynous ones? Thank you so much for these very informative videos :)
I typically will replace the parents when they hit 1/2 to 1/4 of their remaining fertility, depending on the animal. You can tell exactly and accurately how far they are by how full the stars for fertility remaining are when you hit "release to wild". You can cancel after peeking so don't worry. That's just a fun tip I need to put in a video somewhere lol. You replace both parents as you go whenever they have a baby that is better than its same gender parent. Sometimes in the interest of keeping the line going, you have to take a step or two back genetically and replace a superior parent with a crappy offspring, but only if there isn't enough time to try for another couple litters. I always hit a snag at the 92 mark where they don't want to produce better size or longevity stats and it typically takes a whole generation or two to get both parents up there to 100 in each. With polygamous animals the male matters most, and should only be replaced by a better one, but the females can afford to be bad, since the male will raise their offspring's stats and likely produce a better female to replace them pretty quickly. And lastly...you're very welcome for these very informative videos XP
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus thanks a lot! Really appreciate the response. I've been trying to improve my mass breeding Cheetah park since there are so many that it won't slow me down on releases to also be perfecting stats. But everyone was stagnating around 85 so this is really useful.
@@ChrissyPlus Yeah, np. Good luck getting your perfect kitties! And don't forget to check the market for perfect matches. That's where I find at least half of mine.
The problem with changing it is that it isn't entirely inaccurate. Inbreeding is pretty common with all kinds of breeders. First generation inbreeding can cause birth defects and major issues, but it is also a really reliable way to maintain a general physical trend. The rest is a roll of the dice, and something like pure-bred horses, for example, produce a lot more animals with major health issues than they do winners. In-game the only systems this practice would impact are the immunity and fertility. To max those out as well you DO want to avoid inbreeding. This is why people pay top dollar for pure-bred sire semen. The sire itself may not be wholly healthy, but it has the genes for potentially creating very strong offspring.
@@deandrewpowell Yes and no. Inbreeding is easier and it's how I do it, but you don't HAVE to. Check out that other video for sure, I explain it all in there. ruclips.net/video/IVbheEoHEJw/видео.html
The way I breed my animals without inbreeding is actually by having two separate pairs to breed from that way I can arrange them to breed with eachother later on.
I have 3 and rotate them in circles, but it still can get to a point, where they mix up so much after a few generations, that the last two stats become a difficulty
This guide is very accurate for breeding mechanics, good job. I don't inbreed and choose to use the market instead. I realize this potentially makes my life harder but it's just how I choose to play.
Honestly, I have a lot of respect for anyone who does play this way. It's essentially the "hard mode" version of breeding, haha.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus I'm looking forward to your final video. If I may, here are a few things that I do that were not covered above:
1) When I am starting to try to breed an "expensive" animal (elephant, bonobo, western chimp, etc) I buy a cheap one first and place it into a habitat so I can conduct research (to get the 30% fertility buff) before I go live with the animals I intend to actually breed.
2) When you buy an animal from the trade center the game will not recognize it for "compare mates" until it has been in a habitat, so I will send them to a habitat for a few seconds, then back to the trade center. This way I can see them for "compare mates" down the road.
3) Releasing an animal to the wild directly from the habitat nets more credits than moving them to the trade center and releasing them from there (this is handy for things like male lions where the actual trade market is over saturated.)
4) If you have a great male animal that studs multiple females (such as an elephant or primate) you should move him to the trade center to suspend time while his females go through their interbirth period. That way his clock isn't ticking while he can't get anything pregnant.
5) If you watch the trade center for rare animals the game will occasionally throw "junk" in there that starts with a 10 minute timer. These animals are all middle aged, below bronze quality BUT sometimes you get lucky and they will have good Size / Longevity and horrible Fertility and Immunity and be a great breeding animal. And they're cheap (think 500 credits for an elephant instead of 4,000 for a below average female).
@@superbeast39 These are all good tips, for sure. I covered number 3 briefly in the conservation credit video, but Ill do my best to put the others into the Perfect Animals video. Should be out wednesday, if not tomorrow (had a busy couple days).
superbeast39 These are great tips! I’ve been placing all of my best breeding animals in the trade center (including females after breeding and birthing) until I’ve went through and found my best matches. Send them out to breed, put the male back, let the female have her babies, and then she goes back. I keep all the babies in a nursery with the elderly and infertile animals until they reach maturity, then they either get stored for mating or sold/traded out. It can be monotonous moving them all back and forth, but it seems like it’s working for me at least. I’ve only had one animal die from old age and the offspring are now nearly perfect.
@@taylorrae8832 I'm gonna start using my trade center more for that. I have a nice collection of high stat cheetahs and wild dogs. When they are born, I name the ones I'm not keeping Craigslist then leave them in the enclosure to grow so I can sell them.
Awesome video dude! Not enough videos going in to depth about this game, most people are focused on speed builds. Keep up these types of guides :)
As stated in a children's movie that shall remain nameless, "See a need, fill a need". Also, don't tell anyone but I'm far better at guides like this than speed builds. Shhh
You missed cousin breeding, which avoids inbreeding, but keeps it in your park.
Good point. Personally, I inbreed them. I usually make it a point when talking to people who wish to avoid inbreeding, though. At the time I thought they were firmly in the minority but have since realized it's a pretty big group. If or when we see the mechanics change enough to warrant another video I'll go into more depth on methods to avoid inbreeding.
I discovered subtitles, I can watch your tutorials now! *Yay* lol
A comedy in two parts 😅. Happy to report I have a much better mic setup now that I'm not doing youtube anymore XP
Very informative. Thanks a lot. I am trying to breed perfect tigers and wolves without using inbreeding and it is pretty hard
Oh gosh. Best of luck, my friend. The market is your biggest ally. Check out the perfect animal breeding video if you haven't already. It uses inbreeding, but the info on finding matches still applies. It'll feel all that much better when you do get it though.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus I have checked it out. I am so close I can taste it but it's a waiting game.
Info is very helpful, however the volume is almost too low to understand.
Unfortunately I'm new to editing entirely as of about 3 weeks ago so this will improve over time. I am aware the issue is worse for anyone listening via external speakers on PC and phones, as until very recently I have only tested all audio with headphones. In the interest of self-improvement, did you listen on speakers or headphones/earbuds?
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus I am actually listening on a pair of cheap headphones. For volume balancing try comparing your videos sound to other tutorials. I know i my own experience that the editor's playback quality is often alot higher than what is seen on RUclips. You could try looking at the post rendered video or even review the quality after it has been uploaded before making it public.
It can often take a month or two to get the video and audio settings balanced, but once they are set you generaly dont have to mess with them again. Or until you buy a new mic or update your editor.
@@MrOneWolfe Thanks for the excellent tips! I'll try these things very soon. To be honest I get the feeling my mic may be hurting me as well, since even on streams I have to turn the gain up by about 10+ db. I'm prone to mumble but not anywhere near that bad lol.
Since you said to replace the mothers with their own offspring, how do you keep track of this in a habitat with multiple females? The family tree isn't working so I can't really look it up and it's too much of a hassle to start naming them all.
Notifications. Unfortunately that's all we really have to go off of right now. "animal has given birth" stays up in your notifications reel. If you miss a couple, you can sort the babies by age and compare that to the order the "has given birth" notifications appeared. The one time I would definitely recommend naming would be in the case of duplicate names. Some of the names I just add another syllable or something (Siddharth->Siddhartha).
What should you do if you breed an animal and the offspring's stats end up being better of one stat (longevity) but worse than the other stat stat (size) relative to the parent?
Apologies for the late reply, but don't be afraid to skip a litter without replacing the parent. Most animals can have several litters before they reach sterility, and you only need one infant of each gender to keep the line going. Otherwise always compare mates and make sure there is a reasonable chance of stat growth (the bar goes past where the parents stats are) before you assign mates. You might have to do some shuffling around between mates or one might reach sterility without being replaced, but you can always either keep a reserve in the Trade Center or buy one off the market to fill in.
Hope that helps and I'm not too late :)
Thanks, I will see what happens when I prioritize size/longevity vs immunity/fertility
It should work out a lot better for you in the long run. Loved you in Jurassic Park btw.
Make sure to kepp watch when breeding animals, i left 4 bats alone for 2 seconds, when i came back i had 24
Do anyone know if inbreeding has any downsides in the game mechanic today?
Thank you for this video. New sub after this. Big like
Thank you for making these videos! I can tell you put a lot of work into them, and after only finding click-bait cursory articles on these topics your videos were a welcome find. A few questions though:
Your comments about the difficulty of breeding without inbreeding seem a bit exaggerated to me. If you have, say, four exhibits in your breeding zoo that you rotate the animals through, filtering to get them better each generation, use other franchise zoos to continue breeding these animals, and only take animals off the market with exceptional genes, wouldn't that make it relatively easy to breed without inbreeding(at least among close relatives)? It's just a matter of having a large enough base population of the animal right? Also you say something either in this video or your other one about how if you don't use inbreeding you're "wasting" the genetic diversity you originally started out with. Can you explain that? Since in nature inbreeding tends to limit genetic diversity substantially do the genetics in PZ work differently?
Other two questions are easier. How would you classify the animals that only allow the alphas to breed, such as timber wolves and african wild dogs? I'm guessing you'd put them in the 1/1 category since I can't see a good reason why you'd keep more adults in there just to fight it out, but I'm curious. Also, again because curious, if you take a mother away from her own offspring and put her in another habitat that still has offspring, just not her own, will she wait until the cubs/calves/etc in that habitat grow up or will she then prescribe to the listed interbirth period? Like if you move a wolf who just gave birth away from her own young to another exhibit which also has puppies, would she wait 2 - 4 years for those puppies to grow up or mate again in 12 months because the kids aren't hers?
Again, thank you for the video. It was wonderful to have info from someone with actual knowledge of the systems instead of basic tutorial level stuff. Keep up the good work, looking forward to your layout video.
Inbreeding in this game is very dissimilar to inbreeding in real life when done right. In real life when you interbreed within a family you push out any chance at genetic diversity since no new genes are coming in. The way to properly inbreed in PZ involves basically bringing in several sets of families and preserving the DNA within those families via inbreeding so that when the time comes you can cross-breed them with others of a different family tree.
It gets a little muddled in the 1 male/x female configuration since all offspring are inheriting genes from the male so it becomes especially important that you not male the genes even more similar by mixing mothers (turning several small family trees into one big one) and that you start with the best male and the most females possible to limit the number of chances for the females to become more like him. Even in a perfect system they sometimes become mixed, which is why I always suggest at least two habitats.
As for inbreeding being easier or not, I'd say that proper breeding USING THE MARKET is much easier. If you are trying for perfect animals and you have the CC to spend on 200x animals then that is by-far the simplest way to get them. Just buy several mates of one gender and check the market for a male that is a match. Eventually you'll find one. That all make sense?
For the other two questions, yes and yes. Any animal with an alpha female should be mated 1 to 1. Theres no point in having multiple males if they can only mate with one female. Monogamous animals you could potentially move to a habitat to bond and then group with others of the same species but you'd have to pay close attention to the notifications and it'd be somewhat of a logistics nightmare to keep track of whose mate is whose. Then with mothers, they only wait to get pregnant if their offspring are in the hab with them. Ik other babies don't matter because in the one male to x females habitats the females dont wait for other babies to grow up, and I only don't move the babies out when I replace their mothers.
Hope that cleared everything up. I responded on my phone and my thumbs are sore XP
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus Lol sorry about your fingers. Thank you for explaining though, that cleared up a lot. Your strategy makes more sense when thinking of it as family dna vs individual dna. I'm guessing you'd do inbreeding then until you get 200x animals and then interbreed the families? Also I'm assuming the fertility and immunity genes depend more on the variety of dna going into them and not as much on the dna themselves? That's the only explanation I can think of for the 0% + 0% = 100% fertility example you use in the video. So interbreeding the families would then restore the more depleted immunity and fertility pools which is why you shouldn't mix them before that? Do I have all that sorta correct or are my assumptions wrong?
Thank you again for all the information. I think I'm going to try my hand at a farm zoo again. I'm not going to do direct inbreeding most likely because annoying morals won't go away lol but understanding the most efficient way to do things helps a lot when planning alternative strategies. Hopefully more people get a hold of information like this so 200x animals become more common on the marketplace to make things easier for all of us. Again, good work on the vids! :)
@@korvet8482 Yeah thats all pretty much correct. When you inbreed animals their genes are much more random. The second two can land anywhere from 0-100 in the same litter. However as for genetic diversity increasing those stats outcomes, its more complicated than that. From what I can tell there is some sort of gene system at play that adds a ton of randomness to the mix on the last two. Quite honestly I can't pin it down without datamining the actual breeding algorithm as its too complicated to track.
Good luck on your farm zoo! I'll be making a video on layouts soon that might help you plan things out. Trying to release it alongside another relevant video on happiness, but there are some complications I'll discuss when that comes out.
sooo....will you do a let's play or what? :D because i'd love that and would subscribe immediately lol
Haha I'm glad you're so enthusiastic for the game. I have been streaming it fairly irregularly, but it's quite a long-life game for a let's play. Gonna be starting Life is Strange 2 though shortly if that strikes your fancy?
How do you change alpha status in an enclosure.?
You have to remove the alpha male/female and (unless they patch it) also remove them from the trade center by placing them in another habitat or selling them. Then I believe the next animal to successfully try to mate becomes the alpha of that gender.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus oh...okay. I've been doing that but I was hoping there was an easier way. Lol...I had to cycle through five wild dogs before I got to my high stat male and female.
@@ChristiIsabel Yeah having a dummy enclosure (real zoos have holding areas) to temporarily place all the animals you don't want to become alphas in is the simplest way but still not ideal. Maybe it'll be changed in the future :)
bro, i cant seem to be able to get better stats with inbreeding. I always get worse stats no matter what. As the offspring stats are bad, i sell them so now i have the problem that the good stats parents are near to death and i dont really know what to do, plus i didnt earn that many conservation credits to be honest (not even 1k) and i've released at least like 20 animals (Timberwolves and wild dogs) They keep inbreeding so they keep stacking worse and worse stats until i end with the good stats parents diying.
Sorry for the late reply, but the problem is partly with which animals you're using. Wolves breed easily, but due to being stuck with just one alpha male and one alpha female per enclosure, plus having to deal with sorting out the alpha status on both genders it is much harder to get results. The issue is probably that the offspring which are slightly better in size and longevity probably do not have breeding rights with the alpha since there is another alpha present. You need to fully get rid of the alpha to change it, or move the new animal to a different enclosure.
Your best bet early on though would be something like bears which give you more CC each, but breed slower (and have a longer life) or tigers if you can afford them (give plenty of CC, but are more expensive to maintain in numbers. The endgame is elephants. Period. Very low maintenance (the main reason) and pretty high CC yields per animal.
You may even be able to find some of these really cheap from generous folks sitting on hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of CC. Trust me, once you get the ball rolling CC doesn't matter at all anymore. Game becomes easy.
Great video!
Thanks a lot! It's hard to find a balance between informative and interesting XP
I have a bit of a hard time wrapping my head around this. So you're saying that even though you have inbred animals with 0% fertility in both parents, doesn't matter? And I'm not sure I understand how to raise those two stats at a later point?
Apologies on the late reply but:
It matters on some animals. The only thing that really matters with fertility is the chance of conception. With pandas they can't both be at 0% or you'll fail to conceive, however with some species you can absolutely still mate at 0 fertility on both animals (unless they've changed it). Just check the conception chance when you compare mates. As far as raising those two stats later, the only real point would be if you're going for perfect animals. It is really tricky, but luckily I have a video on that too! Check it out. Hope it helps you understand.
If I don’t want my wolves or anything to inbreed I put them on birth control till they die and I get a new one and take them off or just leave em that way
Great video! One question: What does the size gene affect? Obviously for the longevity gene it is how long they can live for, which is important for obvious reasons...but if the size gene just affects how big or small the animals are then does it really matter?
Not one bit as far as I can tell. The animal does literally get bigger (100 size is about 2x the size of a 0 size animal, just like 100 longevity lives twice as long as a 0). The biggest reason to breed them up is that it helps you consistently get gold animals which release for more CC.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus Cool so there is an advantage then in having larger animals if you can release them for more CC. Awesome thanks!
What do you do when your female has for example 85 on size anda your male is her son and has also 85 on size. How do you do to improve the size gene?
It may take a few tries, but mating them together should produce a better pair of offspring eventually. In the case of the example, as long as you produce a female with an 85 or higher to mate with the son, the line continues and you get another generation with a chance to make better babies. Very rarely you might have to accept a worse offspring to avoid that line from dying out.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus but when I do "compare mates" the pink bar, which means the offspring potencial, is just a line in the 85. If I keep on mating them they will give me better then 85?
@@goncaloferreira2360 if they don't then the offspring might. There is a degree of randomness in selecting genes so the offsprings genes are not necessarily an exact mix of the parents. This is that little rut that I mentioned you can fall in but a couple generations usually works out the kinks. If you dont wanna deal with it you can buy one from the market to mate with.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus Thanls a lot your the only tutorial that I have seen about breeding
@@goncaloferreira2360 No problem. Happy to help :)
This sounded like a bio lesson but great explanation
Gotta give props to the game devs for building the system with actual genetic principles. Wouldn't do them much justice to dumb it down haha. Glad I could help.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus How is inbreeding realistic?
@@dudewheresmycar6318
Selective breeding is how people achieve the traits they want in future generations. When your selection of mates is limited, sometimes people inbreed animals. Somewhat common in horses and dogs. Royalty too. Pure bloodlines etc.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus Interesting
Hi i wonder, is this guide stil up to date? its almost unbelievable that fertility on 0% does not mather O.o so weird.
The guide is not up to date anymore, but mostly in regards to the pedigree tree actually being a more complete feature now. Pretty much all the mechanics are the same, but if I'm being honest I've not done franchise in a while so I can't say for certain on the 0% fertility anymore.
Ever coming back?
Cyberpunk 2077 is only a few days away. What kind of a messiah would miss that?
Him:you need to split two adult males
Me:that puts more males in there so i can see who becomes the alpha male also this is a story
So i was putting in a new wolf and fighting the alpha wolf and this wolf that i added in fought the alpha before i was ready and it got bullied by the alpa then the wolf took over the alpha spot and now im gonna make them fight again to get the alphas spot back.
Well I think most zoos try to avoid turning their wolf pens into dog fighting arenas 😆. But absolutely do what's more fun. Breeding can get tedious.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus yep its very caiotic lol i think i found out why the alpha lost its spot i think its too old 😂 also thx for replying
What do you do when the female offspring is completely crap and only male offspring ever have improving stats? Just replace the other parent? Can you go back and forth on replacing mom, replacing dad etc as the stats improve only with one offspring or another? Or stay with one parent and just wait until an offspring is better? What about when the original parent ages and becomes infertile or dies? Is it different for 1:1 animals than the polygynous ones?
Thank you so much for these very informative videos :)
I typically will replace the parents when they hit 1/2 to 1/4 of their remaining fertility, depending on the animal. You can tell exactly and accurately how far they are by how full the stars for fertility remaining are when you hit "release to wild". You can cancel after peeking so don't worry. That's just a fun tip I need to put in a video somewhere lol. You replace both parents as you go whenever they have a baby that is better than its same gender parent. Sometimes in the interest of keeping the line going, you have to take a step or two back genetically and replace a superior parent with a crappy offspring, but only if there isn't enough time to try for another couple litters. I always hit a snag at the 92 mark where they don't want to produce better size or longevity stats and it typically takes a whole generation or two to get both parents up there to 100 in each.
With polygamous animals the male matters most, and should only be replaced by a better one, but the females can afford to be bad, since the male will raise their offspring's stats and likely produce a better female to replace them pretty quickly.
And lastly...you're very welcome for these very informative videos XP
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus thanks a lot! Really appreciate the response. I've been trying to improve my mass breeding Cheetah park since there are so many that it won't slow me down on releases to also be perfecting stats. But everyone was stagnating around 85 so this is really useful.
@@ChrissyPlus Yeah, np. Good luck getting your perfect kitties! And don't forget to check the market for perfect matches. That's where I find at least half of mine.
pandas r so picky
wait a minute! is it true that there's inbreeding involved in the game?
Yep. As a matter of fact, the entire game takes place in West Virginia XD.
They need change the way you can get better animals. Inbreeding doesn't make any sense lol
The problem with changing it is that it isn't entirely inaccurate. Inbreeding is pretty common with all kinds of breeders. First generation inbreeding can cause birth defects and major issues, but it is also a really reliable way to maintain a general physical trend. The rest is a roll of the dice, and something like pure-bred horses, for example, produce a lot more animals with major health issues than they do winners. In-game the only systems this practice would impact are the immunity and fertility. To max those out as well you DO want to avoid inbreeding. This is why people pay top dollar for pure-bred sire semen. The sire itself may not be wholly healthy, but it has the genes for potentially creating very strong offspring.
How do I get the game!!!!!!?
1. Own a PC
2. Buy the game
How to Breed for albino
Its very similar to breeding for perfect animals. I have a video on both that I just posted today.
@@TheOriginalHipsterJesus ok I thought u have to inbreed for a white tiger because in real life that how it works
@@deandrewpowell Yes and no. Inbreeding is easier and it's how I do it, but you don't HAVE to. Check out that other video for sure, I explain it all in there. ruclips.net/video/IVbheEoHEJw/видео.html
Sorry but your voice is WAY too quiet for me to even hear. Maybe I'm just going deaf 🤷