lifelong Giants fan, 67 yrs and counting, i remember '93 so well, it was heartbreaking! Barry Bonds was truly one of the all time greats, offensively AND defensively, and it is a shame he's not in the HoF, especially since he already had hall-worthy numbers BEFORE late 90's... so many others who juiced ARE in the Hall, and before PEDs there were amphetamines for decades...
He made baseball look foolish he made it to ovb. It was ok befor he made it a joke kinds like the sticky stuff... now it's bonds an roids not baseball letting it happen. 😒 you see what they did there... they made the last players to do it the scapegoats when they let it happen an even encouraged it even if not saying do drugs... the testing was a joke if baseball wanted it clean it would have been.
So many others who were juiced are in the HOF? No, it's a few, tops. Hell, name 10 who are in despite some kind of proof/evidence that they were using. 99% of guys who had even suspicions of roid use got snubbed. And regardless how many there is, just because the system failed and they got in doesn't mean we throw the standards we hold players to out the widow. That's an excuse a child uses, "it's not fair, so-and-so got away with it, so why not him too".
So glad my Angels beat them that year. He's just not what I'd consider a nice or a good guy. Very hard to root for those guys. He's the anti Tony Gwynn Jr.
@@richparkinson9647 that’s ironic because bonds would tell you how much he learned from his swing. And respectfully…as I’m sure you know so many of the goats were never good guys or remotely approachable by members of the media, general public, their peers etc.
There will never be a bigger black eye on the Hall of Fame than Barry not being inducted. A bunch of pencil pushers deciding who's the best baseball players in history are instead of just using your Eyeballs is astounding. Barry was the most feared hitter in baseball even sports writers hated him, then they wondered why he didn't give them the time they wanted.
Interesting tidbit of info regarding Ellis Burks...For a 4 year span (99-02) after joining SF and then going to CLE, he averaged right around 30 HR a year hitting .301 for that span even hitting .344 one year with an average OBP of .386 with an OPS + of nearly 150 and didn't make one all-star team during that mini run in his career..It just goes to show you how guys were going off at that time, numbers like that slid under the radar. I watched Ellis for a few years when I was a kid when he was with the Sox. He eventually did get his ring in 04 when he came back for his last year before retiring. Ellis was a hell of a player and outfielder with speed defense and pop who was sneaky good
This is a fantastic point. I remember as a kid someone hitting 20 homers and hitting .300 meant you were probably a number 5 or 6 hitter. Nowadays you would be an MVP candidate with those numbers
12:05 this section reminds me of something Jon Bois said in his bonds video. “Barry could hit 1.000 for his whole career and never win a game”, baseball is just like that
I saw bonds at the very end of his career my dads favorite player after Willie Mays was berry bonds but I still think I grew up at the best time to be a giants fans all those world series and may Cain's perfect game just to good to see
Nope, shohei ohtani. In one season he did what Bonds did (pre roids) while also doing things Pedro Martinez did. No other player of any sport is that dominant on both sides of the field. Oh yeah. Not to mention he’s a world champion
@G. Lee I'm not gonna argue against Ohtani being great, he is great. And if he maintains this level for the next 15 years I'll grant that he's better than Bonds. Till then I'm sticking with Barry
@@GLee-oe3op he did NOT do what Bonds did, not even close. Bonds never struck out more than 102 times and only struck out more than 100 times once in his entire career. Ohtani struck out almost 200 times. Bonds walked 232 times and only struck out 41 times and hit 45 homers in 373 ABs in 2004. HE HOMERED MORE THAN HE STRUCK OUT. Ohtani is great, but his stats are laughable compared to Bonds
Why would either of them be feared like that? David Ortiz was more feared than either of those 2. It takes time and winning to build the fear for everyone except Barry Bonds. Trout and Ohtani in MLB never get the chance to make anyone afraid because they play for an awful franchise. See my point I'm trying to make ? I'd take Bonds Ohtani Trout in that order. In the itch I'm taking Ortiz against any bat of all time. The fear factor
Every game I went to watch Barry break a milestone record 500, 600, 700, and many others he always delivered usually after getting walked twice in his 2nd and 3rd AB’s. He’d get one pitch a game and would destroy it.
How do you know when he started juicing? There are lots of roids on the market that don't cause a huge increase in muscle bulk so going by how big he was doesn't work. Most people point out that interview when he made the comment about "watch me next year" when everyone was ranting about McGwire & Sosa. But he could've been using well before than and he just changed his regimen or massively increased his use to further compete against them.
Lol 😆 “Speculation”? No he DEFINITELY took PED’s and the fact his hat size grew over two sizes and shoes went from 11 to 13 from age 36-39… is insane. Your f**king skull and feet shouldn’t grow in your late 30’s. Lol 😂😂😂😂 And his numbers and play before steroids and growth hormone came in the pitcher isn’t as good as prime Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani. And to top it off… he was a horrible ambassador for the sport do to his gross personality. McGwire, Shohei, Trout, DeGrom and several other legends carry themselves with Class and don’t act like they were born with a bow on their heads and more important then everyone else because they are good at playing a kids game.
Hey guys. I grew up a Giants fan in south San Francisco so naturally Binds was my favorite player. My first game ever was his first home game as a Giant. I’ve watched every single moment of his amazing career and you guys did a great job of capturing exactly how dominant this man was. It’s hard to explain if you didn’t see him play but the man was different. There’s never been anyone like him or even remotely close (mayyyybbbbeee young Albert Pujols could be compared….maybe). Loved these two videos. Thanks for highlighting what has unfortunately become a part of baseball history that’s been Swept under the rug.
have to agree w/you 100%, Barry was awesome, and had possibly the best hand/eye coordination of any hitter in history (which, btw HoF, steroids do NOTHING for! steroids merely add muscle mass and strength!) i was fortunate to have seen Barry's dad and his godfather, the immortal WIllie Mays (and Marichal, McCovey, Perry, et al)
Whoaaa, surprise Ellis Burks sighting! As a kid, I used to love watching him play CF & hit when he played in Boston! I remember her used a black bat for some time while in Boston which was a bit unusual back then and, as a kid, super cool, I thought. I can still remember his batting stance
Steroids don’t make you a better player; they just speed up your recovery when training so that you can build more lean muscle and do more without fear of injury. I genuinely believe they should be allowed in sports under medical supervision because the short term benefits are just too hard to ignore. But they don’t make you suddenly able to make contact and avoid striking out, they don’t increase plate discipline. If you took away all his home runs in the 2000’s he’s still a HOFer and it’s not even close.
@@GLee-oe3op Oh, sure. Ohtani is in a class with ONLY Babe Ruth. Bonds was in that next tier down, with Mantle, Mays, Griffy, Henderson and others who get into the conversation of GOAT but will never BE the GOAT. He was in that conversation before the steroids. With the steroids, he probably becomes #3 behind Ruth and Ohtani. That's what's so sad about how he ruined his reputation and the reputation of the records he attained. And that's why he's so hated. He was the cheater who set the marks that stain the record books. Far from the only cheater, but he was among the best ever and also a cheater.
The absolute best part of Barry Bonds is that you 2 have spent over an hour talking about a player who otherwise would be a no doubt hall of famer, the best player of the 1990's, and one of the best players who has ever lived, and it ISN'T EVEN THE BEST PART OF HIS CAREER. Bonds is unmatched in his greatness. He is without peer. He is the greatest baseball player to ever live, full stop.
Bonds is the undisputed GOAT 🐐 . WITH or WITHOUT juice he is the best baseball player of all time. Full stop. I refuse to ever visit the HOF until he and Clemons are in.
i started collecting cards in 1989 and looking at the stats was about the only way i could judge a player when you dont have cable and only 3 channels basically, that and sports illustrated and the fish wrap were all I had. In 1990 I remember Bonds going from ok player to super star, I was 12 then and comprehending sports better so your analysis of the way things were back then was spot on even though you had yet to be born.
1993 was so heartbreaking. I remember that speech by Matt Williams after that loss and the pathetic statement made by the Dodgers Tommy Lasorda. After this season MLB felt kind of bad and created the wild card scenario with a central division that would have been great had not the strike happened. And oh the 1994 season was going to be incredible with Matt Williams with 43 homers being protected by Bonds. He had the great chance to do it. Bonds was on the verge of an easy 40/40 season that year, but he would get it two years later. Great times though. One of my fondest memories is when the Giants clintched in 1997 and Bonds stood up on the dugout high fiving and hugging fans in the stands before going into the clubhouse. I don't think I've ever seen a superstar do that.
No. That would be Ted Williams. .406 batting average and 527 career home runs while missing five seasons do to military service. And… He put up his awesome numbers while NEVER taking steroids or HGH ;)
Imagine 90's Barry Bonds on the Braves with the 90's Braves pitching staff grinding out quality start after quality start. A semi-loaded offense with Bonds at the heart of it would have likely been an elite offense.
Loved Booing Bonds from the outfield seats at Turner Field. Me and my buddy actually got him to turn around and look at us once. Loved to hate on that guy.
I mean… it was VERY easy to dislike that turd! Lol He was a steroid cheat with a horrible personality. Prime Trout and Mantle were both better than bonds was in his all natural state before roids and human growth hormone. And McGwire broke a 37 year old record that was the most coveted in sports at the time. Wayyyy more pressure than bonds had. AND.. Mac did it as a right hander ;) 1998 was more impressive. And better for the game.
Just wanted to add that teams shifted everyone on the field to the right side for Bonds. This made it even harder for him to get hits since he always pulled everything. It would be interesting to see if Bonds ever hit a homerun to the opposite field.
I know why bonds had a smaller strike zone. If you look at the placement of the team name on his jersey, its 4 inches lower on his chest than his teammates. Also his pants had a higher belt line. Thus giving the illusion of his knees being higher. Thus making his stoke zone smaller by 6 to 10 inches
His ego couldn't handle anyone else getting even a bit a recognition when he felt that the spotlight should've been his alone. He had that problem when he was in Pittsburgh too. He hated Andy Van Slyke just because he got love from the fans in Pittsburgh and Bonds thought he should get all the attention because he was better than AVS.
Wasn't that also part of the reason for his feud with Jeff Kent in San Francisco? The talent matches the ego, part of me wonders if it's a case of personality keeping him out from the hall. Because juice or no juice, he had a HoF career
Worth noting, four players have joined the 300-300 club since Bonds, but he is still the youngest, and is still the ONLY member of the 400-400, AND the 500-500 clubs!!!!!!!!!
For the record, the reason maddux was on the list of most homered off pitcher was at least as much in regards to home runs off Greg Maddux when he was playing for the Cubs. Bonds, then a Pittsburgh Pirate, used to eat that fastball alive when the wind was blowing out at Wrigley.
@@aaroncreatingrealms8175 I aggre I also believe anything before like 1960-1970 cant be compared since training just wasn't what it is today across any sport. watch like really old footage from 30-40ss I dont think they would make AA team today
@Aaron creating realms That's true but if I were to estimate, in terms of how far back you can look in the history of baseball and see very little changes that impacted how good the players are, I would say from the 1960s to the current day you might be safe. With Willie Mays, he did play a lot in the 1950s but he still more than proved himself from the 1960s onwards if that makes any sense.
I'm loving this series. As a teenager in 98, it was a great baseball summer. Mcgwire and Sosa race was awesome to watch ( didn't really pay attention to the steroid stuff at that time. After the strike in 94 which almost took me out of the game but Ripkens streak brought me back in. So 98 was something else. I'll be honest, I never regarded Bonds as being the great player until looking at his stats as an adult. I liked Puckett, Griffey, and Frank Thomas better. I always saw Bonds as just the guy that yelled at reporters and hit home runs.
@@at2130 Better overall player than all of them, but Big Frank was right there with him as a hitter. Bonds only pulled away from Thomas when he started roiding and Thomas started dealing with injuries. Frank Thomas does not get the credit he deserves for how devastatingly good of a hitter he was. A roided up Thomas would have shattered records just like Bonds did.
No. Just look at Bonds himself and his Stats. He started juicing after his Disaster of 1989. That's when his Slugging Percentage got Cartoonish. He started getting noticeably more defined and muscular so likely wasn't using HGH yet, but he was definitely on the juice. He was a Twig at first...after 89 he came back looking halfway to Laron Landry.
I’d take watching bonds getting pitched to over 99.9% of anything that happens in baseball today, maybe even over the 3 World Series the giants won in 10,12,14. It’s a shame that baseball has swept how magical that was under the rug. The greatest time the sport has ever seen, or will see again. I only wish my kids could witness that type of greatness they I did.
The last time a single player hard carried his team through an entire season was 1884 when Old Hoss Radbourne accrued 19.2 bWAR and 60 wins with a 205 ERA+ and won all 3 playoff games in the proto-World Series with an ERA of 1.00. Suffice it to say baseball has never been a 1 man show even close to that since. And he arguably wasn't even the most dominant pitcher that year considering Pud Galvin had the only 20 bWAR season in MLB history that year.
I have a feeling some of these guys that should be in the HOF will be once they are dead, the media don’t want them go on stage and go on a rant against them on why it took so long to do it. Basically what Vince did to the Macho Man and that HOF.
I know that the ‘01 season is memorable for 73 but imo when you look at his best season I couldn’t just pick one. That 01-04 run is the most dominant run any athlete has ever had in any sport… it’s ridiculous
@@michaeladams5636 lol 110, 90 and 101 isn’t that big of a struggle. Plus he batted .370, .340 and .362, led all of the majors in OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+ and hit 45 HR each of those years. How is that overrated?
@@michaeladams5636 and even with all those walks and intentional walks, he still drove in 110, 90 and 101. Just imagine if he was thrown to in half of those at bats that were walks, that’s 100 more at bats he would have had and he would have ended up leading the league in RBI’s those 3 years too.
@@svk_5104 I CAN imagine if he was pitched to but the fact is he wasn’t pitched to very much and that kept him from having amazing seasons like Sammy Sosa and Manny Ramirez had.
It's crazy growing up I never heard about Bonds it was Griff Frank Thomas Bo And then like 99 this Bonds guy who's like 5 mvps in already and I just had no clue. I'm talking like when I was 5-11 years old
Easily the best hitter ever, at the time it felt like Bonds would get a HR in most AB. Maybe being a Dodger and Angel fan makes me bias. Bonds deserves to be recognized as the best to ever do it, since Ruth faced pitchers with an 80mph fastball and they often would tip what kind of pitch was coming. Bonds faced pitchers taking the same steroids and God knows what kind of sticky substances they were using
saw him many times in '93 and a lot of fans booed him at the start. It wasn't Barry, it was the owner. He had spent years threatening to move the team ... to Tampa, to San Jose, hell even to Fremont. He was always crying about losing money and needing a new ballpark. Then he signs Barry to a huge contract and a lot of fans felt betrayed and that the owner had flat-out lied to them about his financial situation. Of course it was a great business move, but the owner was still rightly despised. It was similar to the early '70s A's and Charley O' Finley --- great team, great players, awful owner.
About the 1993 standings… the Atlanta Braves ended with 104-58 and the San Francisco Giants ended with 103-59 😳😳😳 As we know…the playoffs in 1993 went like this: NLCS: PHI vs ATL PHI wins ALCS: TOR vs CWS TOR wins WS: TOR vs PHI TOR wins One may wonder…if this would have happened today… the playoffs would have looked like this: On the NL side NL East: Atlanta Braves 104-58 NL West: San Francisco Giants 103-59 NL Central: St-Louis Cardinals 87-75 NL Wild Card 1: Philadelphia Phillies 97-65 NL Wild Card 2: Montreal Expos 94-68 NL Wild Card 3: Houston Astros 85-77 On the AL side… AL East: Toronto Blue Jays 95-67 AL Central: Chicago White Sox 94-68 AL West: Texas Rangers 86-76 AL Wild Card 1: New York Yankees 88-74 AL Wild Card 2: Baltimore Orioles 85-77 AL Wild Card 3: Detroit Tigers 85-77
Say whatever, but he was the best hitter I've ever seen and by a much farther margin than MJ being the best hooper I've ever seen. It's not like the pitchers he was rawdogging weren't doing similar supplement regimes. It was pretty common in the 90s to see a pitcher throwing 89-90 one year and magically hitting 95-96 the next year, at age 30 or whatever. *this was average vs. plus fastball at the time, no really. I'm sure those were all the result of simply showing up to spring training in the Best Shape of Their Life™
Yeah, intentional walks and single-season OBP. Wouldn't be surprised if nobody gets within 100 points of his OBP record for the next half century at least.
Pretty good video, though would have much preferred if this topic (which I find fascinating) had been more of a put-together Sport Storm/SRS type production rather than a conversation/podcast… though 13:50 kind of annoyed me because (and correct me if I’m wrong), but: Shohei would have an extra 1.5 (minimum, and more like 2.5?) WAR per season if he was playing on defense in the outfield (which he currently doesn’t to prevent injury). I only have the most basic/casual knowledge of WAR calculations, so let me know if this is wrong - but to my understanding, WAR can’t even quite calculate Ohtani’s “true” value (and the stat in general is not meant to calculate the value of two-way players in large part, though not exclusively, due to this).
The insane thing about bonds is going back and watching that Angels-Giants world series, you can see how high and how far Bonds hit some of his home runs at angels stadium Having been to Angels stadium a few times, its INSANE how far those balls went. Ohtani and Trout, two of the best home run hitters of the last 20 years, dont even get within 200 feet of where Bonds was bombing out balls at angels stadium LMAO Ohtani and Trout can hit the ball 100mph off their bats, how fast was it going off of Bonds bat? 200mph???
I don’t know if u guys remember but Sometimes when it’s hard to pick one or the other (shohei or barry), who would get along with teammates lol. Jk. All jokes aside, I would pick ohtani because he isn’t a jerk and easier to get along with by far!!!
"Long ago on the continent, there was a man who was an expert mountaineer. This man had climbed an incredibly tall mountain, but no one had ever heard of, or seen this mountain; so they couldn't comprehend the magnitude of this accomplishment. Reluctantly, the man continued to climb mountains that were said to be even taller. Day after day he climbed, all in order to make people recognize his greatness. In the end, the man stopped trying to convince them, made the mountains his home, and became a demon."
Bh@@GLee-oe3op even he hasn't come close to Bonds numbers yet.. Bonds was walked with the bases loaded. He was walked more in a single season than players in their entire careers
“He was the greatest player ever even before the juice” and still needed those steroids to become an untouchable deity in the eyes of the average baseball fan.
I’m just Glad that Barry @ least made a World Series & Represented in the moments He had the chance to We all Remember that BOMB , with Glaus being a BiG PART of that image It’s really too bad that Griffey Jr. didn’t ever even get the chance to shine in The World Series Stage & it’s really too bad that Trout is looking like He’s going to be The Best Player of His era that doesn’t ever even get that time to shine on The World Stage three Shohei maybe right there with Him on that list 😕
I don't think "underrated" is the proper term when it comes to Bonds. If asked directly, very few would deny how good he really was. The problem was his personality. Simply put, no one liked the guy. Specifically, the majority of the media. Most articles written about him would detail the latest confrontation or controversy, and his play was an afterthought. He wasn't underrated. People just didn't care how good he was because we didn't like him.
I made it 🥲❤️
Well done reppin bean town
The single most intimidating hitter of all time. No one else comes close, he’s the only batter that had an advantage over the pitcher.
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Most pro players former and current agree he is the best ever
Ehhh
Indeed 👍
Greg Maddux would disagree with ya there SportsFan, as he had him seated in short order on the fucking REG.
lifelong Giants fan, 67 yrs and counting, i remember '93 so well, it was heartbreaking! Barry Bonds was truly one of the all time greats, offensively AND defensively, and it is a shame he's not in the HoF, especially since he already had hall-worthy numbers BEFORE late 90's... so many others who juiced ARE in the Hall, and before PEDs there were amphetamines for decades...
Bonds DID make it to the World Series, and the Giants were on the verge of winning, but Dusty messed it up!
He made baseball look foolish he made it to ovb. It was ok befor he made it a joke kinds like the sticky stuff... now it's bonds an roids not baseball letting it happen. 😒 you see what they did there... they made the last players to do it the scapegoats when they let it happen an even encouraged it even if not saying do drugs... the testing was a joke if baseball wanted it clean it would have been.
So many others who were juiced are in the HOF? No, it's a few, tops. Hell, name 10 who are in despite some kind of proof/evidence that they were using. 99% of guys who had even suspicions of roid use got snubbed. And regardless how many there is, just because the system failed and they got in doesn't mean we throw the standards we hold players to out the widow. That's an excuse a child uses, "it's not fair, so-and-so got away with it, so why not him too".
So glad my Angels beat them that year. He's just not what I'd consider a nice or a good guy. Very hard to root for those guys. He's the anti Tony Gwynn Jr.
@@richparkinson9647 that’s ironic because bonds would tell you how much he learned from his swing. And respectfully…as I’m sure you know so many of the goats were never good guys or remotely approachable by members of the media, general public, their peers etc.
He went from the best 5 tool player in baseball
To A literal MLB 2K created player with a giant HOT ZONE
There will never be a bigger black eye on the Hall of Fame than Barry not being inducted. A bunch of pencil pushers deciding who's the best baseball players in history are instead of just using your Eyeballs is astounding. Barry was the most feared hitter in baseball even sports writers hated him, then they wondered why he didn't give them the time they wanted.
Baseballs HOF died the day they kept Bonds out. It doesn’t mean anything anymore. A sad but true fact.
Should Houston’s 2017 World Series- _also_ be part of the hall of fame?
Should their World Series be seen as ‘no different’ than any other?
@@CipherSerpico Just a piece of metal
He used steroids.
Interesting tidbit of info regarding Ellis Burks...For a 4 year span (99-02) after joining SF and then going to CLE, he averaged right around 30 HR a year hitting .301 for that span even hitting .344 one year with an average OBP of .386 with an OPS + of nearly 150 and didn't make one all-star team during that mini run in his career..It just goes to show you how guys were going off at that time, numbers like that slid under the radar. I watched Ellis for a few years when I was a kid when he was with the Sox. He eventually did get his ring in 04 when he came back for his last year before retiring. Ellis was a hell of a player and outfielder with speed defense and pop who was sneaky good
This is a fantastic point. I remember as a kid someone hitting 20 homers and hitting .300 meant you were probably a number 5 or 6 hitter. Nowadays you would be an MVP candidate with those numbers
Great description "sneaky good". He was that. He always played with teammates who got more recognition
12:05 this section reminds me of something Jon Bois said in his bonds video. “Barry could hit 1.000 for his whole career and never win a game”, baseball is just like that
The narrator of that video was Seth, not Jon
@@huongdieu6543 my b, it’s been a bit since I saw that. Was thinking of the What if Bonds played without a bat, not the untitled WS vid
@@corbums3927 that video is crazy
Young fans don't know how incredible bonds was.
And Pujols with the Cardinals
Esp with the media bashing him bonds is the greatest all time it isn't close
@@TheLegoBattlebotsLab was or wasn't he a machine?
as a young fan growing up in the 90's I had no clue how good Bonds was until the hr parades he went on
I saw bonds at the very end of his career my dads favorite player after Willie Mays was berry bonds but I still think I grew up at the best time to be a giants fans all those world series and may Cain's perfect game just to good to see
Barry Bonds is not only the best player of my lifetime, he might also be the best player of anyone's lifetime
Agreed. Roids aside, you can’t teach hand eye
Nope, shohei ohtani. In one season he did what Bonds did (pre roids) while also doing things Pedro Martinez did. No other player of any sport is that dominant on both sides of the field. Oh yeah. Not to mention he’s a world champion
@G. Lee I'm not gonna argue against Ohtani being great, he is great. And if he maintains this level for the next 15 years I'll grant that he's better than Bonds. Till then I'm sticking with Barry
@@GLee-oe3op Ohtani doesn’t have a long enough resume…give it 5 years and see if he can keep up this pace
@@GLee-oe3op he did NOT do what Bonds did, not even close. Bonds never struck out more than 102 times and only struck out more than 100 times once in his entire career. Ohtani struck out almost 200 times. Bonds walked 232 times and only struck out 41 times and hit 45 homers in 373 ABs in 2004. HE HOMERED MORE THAN HE STRUCK OUT. Ohtani is great, but his stats are laughable compared to Bonds
Thank you for making this. Barry Bonds is the best baseball player I’ve ever seen in my opinion. Not even Trout or Ohtani is feared to Bonds level.
Why would either of them be feared like that? David Ortiz was more feared than either of those 2. It takes time and winning to build the fear for everyone except Barry Bonds. Trout and Ohtani in MLB never get the chance to make anyone afraid because they play for an awful franchise. See my point I'm trying to make ? I'd take Bonds Ohtani Trout in that order. In the itch I'm taking Ortiz against any bat of all time. The fear factor
Not even close
Every game I went to watch Barry break a milestone record 500, 600, 700, and many others he always delivered usually after getting walked twice in his 2nd and 3rd AB’s. He’d get one pitch a game and would destroy it.
The fact he won 3 consecutive MVPs and wasn’t even juicing yet I mean…cmon. The fact he isn’t in the hall is hilariously pathetic
How do you know when he started juicing? There are lots of roids on the market that don't cause a huge increase in muscle bulk so going by how big he was doesn't work. Most people point out that interview when he made the comment about "watch me next year" when everyone was ranting about McGwire & Sosa. But he could've been using well before than and he just changed his regimen or massively increased his use to further compete against them.
@@fuktrumpanzeeskum I highly doubt it with his build then and genetic background
@@TheTEN24just say you don’t know lol
He won 3 in 4 yrs. Not 3 in a row.
@@fuktrumpanzeeskum the common story of when he started makes sense.
Regardless of the PED speculation, he is the single greatest player I've personally ever seen play.
Lol 😆 “Speculation”? No he DEFINITELY took PED’s and the fact his hat size grew over two sizes and shoes went from 11 to 13 from age 36-39… is insane. Your f**king skull and feet shouldn’t grow in your late 30’s. Lol
😂😂😂😂
And his numbers and play before steroids and growth hormone came in the pitcher isn’t as good as prime Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani. And to top it off… he was a horrible ambassador for the sport do to his gross personality.
McGwire, Shohei, Trout, DeGrom and several other legends carry themselves with Class and don’t act like they were born with a bow on their heads and more important then everyone else because they are good at playing a kids game.
Bonds averaged 41 HR and 29 SB for his career (out of 162 games).
late career Bonds is an unnatural monster for sure, love it and, wow, what a ride that was!
Hey guys. I grew up a Giants fan in south San Francisco so naturally Binds was my favorite player. My first game ever was his first home game as a Giant. I’ve watched every single moment of his amazing career and you guys did a great job of capturing exactly how dominant this man was. It’s hard to explain if you didn’t see him play but the man was different. There’s never been anyone like him or even remotely close (mayyyybbbbeee young Albert Pujols could be compared….maybe). Loved these two videos. Thanks for highlighting what has unfortunately become a part of baseball history that’s been Swept under the rug.
have to agree w/you 100%, Barry was awesome, and had possibly the best hand/eye coordination of any hitter in history (which, btw HoF, steroids do NOTHING for! steroids merely add muscle mass and strength!) i was fortunate to have seen Barry's dad and his godfather, the immortal WIllie Mays (and Marichal, McCovey, Perry, et al)
Whoaaa, surprise Ellis Burks sighting! As a kid, I used to love watching him play CF & hit when he played in Boston!
I remember her used a black bat for some time while in Boston which was a bit unusual back then and, as a kid, super cool, I thought. I can still remember his batting stance
Steroids don’t make you a better player; they just speed up your recovery when training so that you can build more lean muscle and do more without fear of injury. I genuinely believe they should be allowed in sports under medical supervision because the short term benefits are just too hard to ignore. But they don’t make you suddenly able to make contact and avoid striking out, they don’t increase plate discipline. If you took away all his home runs in the 2000’s he’s still a HOFer and it’s not even close.
Love the interview with Burks, really cool insight from him.
Bonds was not only the youngest member of the 300-300 club, he is also the only member of the 400-400 club... and the only member of the 500-500 club.
And 600-500 & 700-500
Unless he has a cy young somewhere he’ll always be second fiddle to Ohtani
@@GLee-oe3op Oh, sure. Ohtani is in a class with ONLY Babe Ruth. Bonds was in that next tier down, with Mantle, Mays, Griffy, Henderson and others who get into the conversation of GOAT but will never BE the GOAT. He was in that conversation before the steroids. With the steroids, he probably becomes #3 behind Ruth and Ohtani. That's what's so sad about how he ruined his reputation and the reputation of the records he attained. And that's why he's so hated. He was the cheater who set the marks that stain the record books. Far from the only cheater, but he was among the best ever and also a cheater.
@@GLee-oe3op nah Otani has only been on top for 2 1/2 years…give it more time
@@GLee-oe3opplease....
Burks seems like cool dude
Bonds hit 4 HR in the 2002 WS, and was an easy favorite for MVP. His team and manager let him down.
The absolute best part of Barry Bonds is that you 2 have spent over an hour talking about a player who otherwise would be a no doubt hall of famer, the best player of the 1990's, and one of the best players who has ever lived, and it ISN'T EVEN THE BEST PART OF HIS CAREER. Bonds is unmatched in his greatness. He is without peer. He is the greatest baseball player to ever live, full stop.
Do you get paid for riding his dick that hard?
Not anymore. Shohei ohtani. Imagine Hank Aaron and Pedro Martinez in one player
Bro, same is prime Jordan fr, criminally underrated 😂
The greatest of all time. I'm a Dodger fan. I was able to see this guy play amazing. H.O.F in my book
Hand eye coordination is why Barry Bonds is the Best.
Best swing of any time. He was feared like no other.
Dude, Ellis Burks still looks like he's in baseball shape
Bonds is the undisputed GOAT 🐐 . WITH or WITHOUT juice he is the best baseball player of all time. Full stop. I refuse to ever visit the HOF until he and Clemons are in.
i started collecting cards in 1989 and looking at the stats was about the only way i could judge a player when you dont have cable and only 3 channels basically, that and sports illustrated and the fish wrap were all I had. In 1990 I remember Bonds going from ok player to super star, I was 12 then and comprehending sports better so your analysis of the way things were back then was spot on even though you had yet to be born.
My first baseball memories are the HR race of Sosa and McGwire and Barry going for the HR record (also Gagne v Bonds)
1993 was so heartbreaking. I remember that speech by Matt Williams after that loss and the pathetic statement made by the Dodgers Tommy Lasorda. After this season MLB felt kind of bad and created the wild card scenario with a central division that would have been great had not the strike happened. And oh the 1994 season was going to be incredible with Matt Williams with 43 homers being protected by Bonds. He had the great chance to do it. Bonds was on the verge of an easy 40/40 season that year, but he would get it two years later. Great times though. One of my fondest memories is when the Giants clintched in 1997 and Bonds stood up on the dugout high fiving and hugging fans in the stands before going into the clubhouse. I don't think I've ever seen a superstar do that.
The greatest hitter that ever lived
No. That would be Ted Williams. .406 batting average and 527 career home runs while missing five seasons do to military service. And… He put up his awesome numbers while NEVER taking steroids or HGH ;)
Ellis Burks Giants was a good jazz riff for sure, ya man!!!
Don't forget...when the Marlins beat the Giants in the playoffs, Jim Leyland was the Marlin manager!!
Imagine 90's Barry Bonds on the Braves with the 90's Braves pitching staff grinding out quality start after quality start. A semi-loaded offense with Bonds at the heart of it would have likely been an elite offense.
The Braves wouldn't have signed Maddux had they got Bonds. Would they won without Maddux? For me, no way
Named my son Maddux. Wouldn’t have named him Bonds lol
Loved Booing Bonds from the outfield seats at Turner Field. Me and my buddy actually got him to turn around and look at us once.
Loved to hate on that guy.
Just to hate on greatness?? Ahhh must boo Lebron as well…
I mean… it was VERY easy to dislike that turd! Lol He was a steroid cheat with a horrible personality. Prime Trout and Mantle were both better than bonds was in his all natural state before roids and human growth hormone. And McGwire broke a 37 year old record that was the most coveted in sports at the time. Wayyyy more pressure than bonds had. AND.. Mac did it as a right hander ;) 1998 was more impressive. And better for the game.
It's fitting the video ended with a video game as Bonds was about to have video game numbers.
1.400 ops season, 73HR, hundreds of intentional walks.
The only player you will drop whatever you're doing to watch him bat
16:01 hey guys… yall know something about a small prospect named Ronald Acuña Jr?
Just wanted to add that teams shifted everyone on the field to the right side for Bonds. This made it even harder for him to get hits since he always pulled everything. It would be interesting to see if Bonds ever hit a homerun to the opposite field.
I know why bonds had a smaller strike zone. If you look at the placement of the team name on his jersey, its 4 inches lower on his chest than his teammates. Also his pants had a higher belt line. Thus giving the illusion of his knees being higher. Thus making his stoke zone smaller by 6 to 10 inches
Matt narrates like his whole family just got slaughtered. Feel bad for the dude.
I really enjoy listening to u guys and thank u so much!! U guys are for real teachers of baseball
He was overlooked during the McGwire and Sosa era if you want to call it that. He took that very personally it seems
His ego couldn't handle anyone else getting even a bit a recognition when he felt that the spotlight should've been his alone. He had that problem when he was in Pittsburgh too. He hated Andy Van Slyke just because he got love from the fans in Pittsburgh and Bonds thought he should get all the attention because he was better than AVS.
Wasn't that also part of the reason for his feud with Jeff Kent in San Francisco? The talent matches the ego, part of me wonders if it's a case of personality keeping him out from the hall. Because juice or no juice, he had a HoF career
Worth noting, four players have joined the 300-300 club since Bonds, but he is still the youngest, and is still the ONLY member of the 400-400, AND the 500-500 clubs!!!!!!!!!
For the record, the reason maddux was on the list of most homered off pitcher was at least as much in regards to home runs off Greg Maddux when he was playing for the Cubs. Bonds, then a Pittsburgh Pirate, used to eat that fastball alive when the wind was blowing out at Wrigley.
thank you for this discussion,,, can't find the next haha, I know what comes, came, next
subscribed and looking for the next chapter :)
bonds is the goat that's it that's all , like it or not
Idk, his godfather was pretty good too.
Bonds is still top 3 though
@@Jacobthekid28 baseball is such a weird game
I think greatest of all time is so difficult to compare players across the era
@@aaroncreatingrealms8175 I aggre I also believe anything before like 1960-1970 cant be compared since training just wasn't what it is today across any sport. watch like really old footage from 30-40ss I dont think they would make AA team today
@Aaron creating realms That's true but if I were to estimate, in terms of how far back you can look in the history of baseball and see very little changes that impacted how good the players are, I would say from the 1960s to the current day you might be safe. With Willie Mays, he did play a lot in the 1950s but he still more than proved himself from the 1960s onwards if that makes any sense.
Thats cool af
I'm loving this series. As a teenager in 98, it was a great baseball summer. Mcgwire and Sosa race was awesome to watch ( didn't really pay attention to the steroid stuff at that time. After the strike in 94 which almost took me out of the game but Ripkens streak brought me back in. So 98 was something else. I'll be honest, I never regarded Bonds as being the great player until looking at his stats as an adult. I liked Puckett, Griffey, and Frank Thomas better. I always saw Bonds as just the guy that yelled at reporters and hit home runs.
Bonds was better than all of them in the 90s. That's why he got on the juice he was already the best player in the MLB, and nobody even recognized.
@@at2130 Better overall player than all of them, but Big Frank was right there with him as a hitter. Bonds only pulled away from Thomas when he started roiding and Thomas started dealing with injuries. Frank Thomas does not get the credit he deserves for how devastatingly good of a hitter he was. A roided up Thomas would have shattered records just like Bonds did.
Ellis Burks is the man! He's an immaculate grid hero.
Bonds was also the first member of the 40-40 club to do it clean. (He didn't start juicing until 1999.)
No. Just look at Bonds himself and his Stats. He started juicing after his Disaster of 1989. That's when his Slugging Percentage got Cartoonish. He started getting noticeably more defined and muscular so likely wasn't using HGH yet, but he was definitely on the juice. He was a Twig at first...after 89 he came back looking halfway to Laron Landry.
I’d take watching bonds getting pitched to over 99.9% of anything that happens in baseball today, maybe even over the 3 World Series the giants won in 10,12,14. It’s a shame that baseball has swept how magical that was under the rug. The greatest time the sport has ever seen, or will see again. I only wish my kids could witness that type of greatness they I did.
“we’d better call bailey” I had the same thought 😂
That Giants team is still one of the greatest Giants teams in my lifetime. We had Swift and Burkett winning 20 games.
The last time a single player hard carried his team through an entire season was 1884 when Old Hoss Radbourne accrued 19.2 bWAR and 60 wins with a 205 ERA+ and won all 3 playoff games in the proto-World Series with an ERA of 1.00. Suffice it to say baseball has never been a 1 man show even close to that since. And he arguably wasn't even the most dominant pitcher that year considering Pud Galvin had the only 20 bWAR season in MLB history that year.
“Came up in the Clubhouse” would be a great name for a book about the children of major leaguers
I have a feeling some of these guys that should be in the HOF will be once they are dead, the media don’t want them go on stage and go on a rant against them on why it took so long to do it. Basically what Vince did to the Macho Man and that HOF.
I know that the ‘01 season is memorable for 73 but imo when you look at his best season I couldn’t just pick one. That 01-04 run is the most dominant run any athlete has ever had in any sport… it’s ridiculous
I thought he was overrated in that period many because from 2002-2004 he struggled to drive in a lot of runs.
@@michaeladams5636 lol 110, 90 and 101 isn’t that big of a struggle. Plus he batted .370, .340 and .362, led all of the majors in OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+ and hit 45 HR each of those years. How is that overrated?
@@svk_5104 RBIs is the most important stat.. the pitchers kept him from being super dominant by intentionally walking him.
@@michaeladams5636 and even with all those walks and intentional walks, he still drove in 110, 90 and 101. Just imagine if he was thrown to in half of those at bats that were walks, that’s 100 more at bats he would have had and he would have ended up leading the league in RBI’s those 3 years too.
@@svk_5104 I CAN imagine if he was pitched to but the fact is he wasn’t pitched to very much and that kept him from having amazing seasons like Sammy Sosa and Manny Ramirez had.
the pirouette is how a left hander played the left field line so well,,
It's crazy growing up I never heard about Bonds it was Griff Frank Thomas Bo And then like 99 this Bonds guy who's like 5 mvps in already and I just had no clue. I'm talking like when I was 5-11 years old
I gotta say boys looking at your faces talk instead of highlights or something... soooo boring. But the content and info is great.
😂
Maybe I missed it, but aside from being the only member of the 400-400 club, he's the only member of the 500-500 club of course.
Greatest all time no doubt
Easily the best hitter ever, at the time it felt like Bonds would get a HR in most AB. Maybe being a Dodger and Angel fan makes me bias. Bonds deserves to be recognized as the best to ever do it, since Ruth faced pitchers with an 80mph fastball and they often would tip what kind of pitch was coming. Bonds faced pitchers taking the same steroids and God knows what kind of sticky substances they were using
I haven't watched the video yet, but Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time.
saw him many times in '93 and a lot of fans booed him at the start. It wasn't Barry, it was the owner. He had spent years threatening to move the team ... to Tampa, to San Jose, hell even to Fremont. He was always crying about losing money and needing a new ballpark. Then he signs Barry to a huge contract and a lot of fans felt betrayed and that the owner had flat-out lied to them about his financial situation. Of course it was a great business move, but the owner was still rightly despised. It was similar to the early '70s A's and Charley O' Finley --- great team, great players, awful owner.
About the 1993 standings… the Atlanta Braves ended with 104-58 and the San Francisco Giants ended with 103-59 😳😳😳
As we know…the playoffs in 1993 went like this:
NLCS: PHI vs ATL PHI wins
ALCS: TOR vs CWS TOR wins
WS: TOR vs PHI TOR wins
One may wonder…if this would have happened today… the playoffs would have looked like this:
On the NL side
NL East: Atlanta Braves 104-58
NL West: San Francisco Giants 103-59
NL Central: St-Louis Cardinals 87-75
NL Wild Card 1: Philadelphia Phillies 97-65
NL Wild Card 2: Montreal Expos 94-68
NL Wild Card 3: Houston Astros 85-77
On the AL side…
AL East: Toronto Blue Jays 95-67
AL Central: Chicago White Sox 94-68
AL West: Texas Rangers 86-76
AL Wild Card 1: New York Yankees 88-74
AL Wild Card 2: Baltimore Orioles 85-77
AL Wild Card 3: Detroit Tigers 85-77
Barry Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame!
Say whatever, but he was the best hitter I've ever seen and by a much farther margin than MJ being the best hooper I've ever seen.
It's not like the pitchers he was rawdogging weren't doing similar supplement regimes.
It was pretty common in the 90s to see a pitcher throwing 89-90 one year and magically hitting 95-96 the next year, at age 30 or whatever. *this was average vs. plus fastball at the time, no really. I'm sure those were all the result of simply showing up to spring training in the Best Shape of Their Life™
greatest ball player I was ever personally on the field with - its NOT even close!
Which record of his is most unbreakable? I think it’s his intentional walks.
Yeah, intentional walks and single-season OBP. Wouldn't be surprised if nobody gets within 100 points of his OBP record for the next half century at least.
Barry Bonds belongs in the hall of fame
Change My Mind
let us just watch the fuckin interview man
say it simple, Barry Bonds, never seen more natural great, ever,,, this fan is blessed to have seen
Pretty good video, though would have much preferred if this topic (which I find fascinating) had been more of a put-together Sport Storm/SRS type production rather than a conversation/podcast… though 13:50 kind of annoyed me because (and correct me if I’m wrong), but:
Shohei would have an extra 1.5 (minimum, and more like 2.5?) WAR per season if he was playing on defense in the outfield (which he currently doesn’t to prevent injury). I only have the most basic/casual knowledge of WAR calculations, so let me know if this is wrong - but to my understanding, WAR can’t even quite calculate Ohtani’s “true” value (and the stat in general is not meant to calculate the value of two-way players in large part, though not exclusively, due to this).
The insane thing about bonds is going back and watching that Angels-Giants world series, you can see how high and how far Bonds hit some of his home runs at angels stadium
Having been to Angels stadium a few times, its INSANE how far those balls went. Ohtani and Trout, two of the best home run hitters of the last 20 years, dont even get within 200 feet of where Bonds was bombing out balls at angels stadium LMAO
Ohtani and Trout can hit the ball 100mph off their bats, how fast was it going off of Bonds bat? 200mph???
Good documentary on Netflix about Balco
If he was never found of doing steroids even with the media disliking him, he would have been considered an all timer.
I don’t know if u guys remember but Sometimes when it’s hard to pick one or the other (shohei or barry), who would get along with teammates lol. Jk. All jokes aside, I would pick ohtani because he isn’t a jerk and easier to get along with by far!!!
Barry Bonds is the GOAT in baseball history
"Long ago on the continent, there was a man who was an expert mountaineer. This man had climbed an incredibly tall mountain, but no one had ever heard of, or seen this mountain; so they couldn't comprehend the magnitude of this accomplishment. Reluctantly, the man continued to climb mountains that were said to be even taller. Day after day he climbed, all in order to make people recognize his greatness. In the end, the man stopped trying to convince them, made the mountains his home, and became a demon."
Oni BALCO
Amen to the title
Who was the first baseball player other than Conseco who made headlines for PED's
The GOAT. End of story.
Ohtani
Bh@@GLee-oe3op even he hasn't come close to Bonds numbers yet.. Bonds was walked with the bases loaded. He was walked more in a single season than players in their entire careers
“He was the greatest player ever even before the juice” and still needed those steroids to become an untouchable deity in the eyes of the average baseball fan.
He's the best baseball player who ever lived
Nah
The GOAT
i thought he was ranked #1 overall??? fax!!!
the Commish, the writers all profited huge, aware of what was going on then
The 94 Expos were robbed. Haha
I do not care, no hitter has ever been as feared as Barry Bonds. Most valuable bat of all time and it's not close
He was a HOFer well before he ever picked up gear. Its a crime to not allow him in.
I do love me some SF Giants Ellis Burks!!!!! ya Man!!!
Bonds made a World Series also
Greatest player to ever play our game
Ohtani. He’s a hall of fame hitter and pitcher in one
I’m just Glad that Barry @ least made a World Series
& Represented in the moments
He had the chance to
We all Remember that BOMB ,
with Glaus being a BiG PART of that image
It’s really too bad that Griffey Jr. didn’t ever even get the chance to shine in The World Series Stage
& it’s really too bad that Trout is looking like He’s going to be
The Best Player of His era that doesn’t ever even get that time to shine on The World Stage three
Shohei maybe right there with Him on that list 😕
I don't think "underrated" is the proper term when it comes to Bonds. If asked directly, very few would deny how good he really was. The problem was his personality. Simply put, no one liked the guy. Specifically, the majority of the media. Most articles written about him would detail the latest confrontation or controversy, and his play was an afterthought.
He wasn't underrated. People just didn't care how good he was because we didn't like him.
this part of the discussion,,, Bonds was the best I ever saw and could do it all day every day, how to say you saw the Gods play Gods game, baseball