Cuiv this is pretty awesome! The IMX585 is in the same family as the IMX715 and IMX678 which have smaller pixels as these are all from the Sony security QHD line of cameras. The HDR function is built into all of these sensors and FINALLY someone is taking advantage of this feature! This is just a software driver so theoretically any vendor using these sensors like Touptek, QHY, and ZWO can enable this in software. 14 stops! Amazing! Thanks for this great news!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Hey can you please ask them to make a cooled version of the IMX511! It's a 25MP camera with 1.12um pixels! The IMX511 is a cousin of the IMX571!
I worked a few weeks on this sensor (lucky imaging) I tell you, it is a revolution. There are no cameras that come even close to this kind of performances. The HDR mode update is such a good news
That's awesome Cuiv I've seen the Uranus C & it seems to be a very capable camera in its own right but now Touptek are going to be producing them I look forward to checking out the cost for comparison. I'll definitely be looking out for more testing you do of this camera in the future to & the Dumbell nebula turned out real good to. Clear skies.
Cuiv, Thanks so much for reviewing this new camera right after I bought my 533. 😡 I’m going to post the two hours that I got on m8/m20 from Lahaina Maui this week on Asstrobin (AstroHominid) but I’ll have to shoot this nebula with my 533 and take a look at the difference. I love the effective focal length of these small sensors, especially paired with good optics like the redcats. Guess I’ve got to submit a new P.O. Request to the budget office. Haha Love the vids brother. Take care.
Cuiv, you called out the need for this tech some videos back, when you looked at the $200 planetary camera with tiny pixels. Good job!!! (Tiny pixels give you better resolution. A tiny sensor boosts your "apparent" focal length ... for zooming in. ) Good to hear about the dynamic range and low noise aspects .... Continued success! Kind regards.
Looking at the SONY website on HDR technology, there are two HDR modes: DOL and CLEAR. The DOL mode takes two consecutive images and overlaps them on chip internally. The CLEAR mode adapts the local gain on-chip on a pixel level, allowing different exposure modes simultaneously! The IMX585 contains the HDR CLEAR mode, while the IMX571 “only” provides the DOL HDR mode.
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I have this Touptek camera, but I have problems with HDR mode, with astrophoto I can see faint pattern (not Bayer derived) in the dark shots. Any one with this problem?
@@thatonespaceguy the high end area just has enough cameras already and there is room for innovation in the low end. Also those coolers are not expensive at all. Seriously, the highest I've seen the modules cost is about 20$ and considering these companies get special/bulk pricing I don't see why a lower end camera can't be cooled.
@@deltacx1059 Yeah, definely I would want to see some low end cooled CCD's, and as you said adding cooling is not expensive. I thought once about why there are no kits for making DSLR's cooled. (removing the lcd, closure, and adding a some kind of cooling) That would be great for people with tight budget and a DSLR Camera already. There were some projects of cooling DSLR cams also.
@@thatonespaceguy i was looking and you can just buy sensors to slap on a PCB so it wouldn't be too bad to have a diy mirrorless/ astro camera once the ADC is figured out with some kind of software to operate it.
They are also wasting money a bit with their casing, they look like a very thick and heavy billet part rather than a extrusion or stamped/cast part, the only part that needs to be rigid is the mounting ring, heck everything else can be polycarbonate (or other suitable material)and not hurt performance whilst reducing cost. Standardizing case sizes may also help reduce cost rather than everyone making different cases.
Cuiv, can I ask what version of the ASCOM driver you were using in this test? The one I have here doesn't allow offset in HDR mode and the default offset is way too low. The result is that blacks are severely clipped. Thanks
Very interesting. I have the ZWO 533 MC Pro and would definitely consider getting the 585 camera. I like the smaller pixels and HRD mode for my WO FLT 91.
I got the new Player ONE Uranus-C PRO which is also cooled. Very nice sensor indeed! I had the ZWO ASI585 and was already blown away about the noncooled version. Got some nice results with that one also.
I have the Altair Astro 26C the UK version of the Touptek 571 sensor. Hopefully they release a version with the 585 sensor so i might be able to squeeze more resolution from my C925 when i get Hyperstar next month. Excellent video Cuiv.
The pixel size of the camera needs to be matched to the telescope. For a long focal length telescope those small pixels will do 3 things: 1. Decrease the system entendue 2. Decrease the signal per pixel 3. Exponentially unnecessarily increase the exposure time per target For short focal Len systems, like in your case, the camera is a good choice at 1.16"/pixel
Hey Cuiv, nice review - I have just ordered this camera so 2 simple questions: 1. After testing what would be the sweet spot for Gain and Offset along with the cooling (I guess 100 at the high gain mode as per your review? ) for both only UV/IR Cut and Duo Narrowband imaging. 2. Can you use an OAG with this sensor or only a small quidescope? My noraml euipment is a QHY268C on a 8inch TS Photon at f/3.4 (using the Nexus reducer) Thanks in advance and greetings from Greece!
Cuiv, I have this camera and I see a vertical interlace pattern when using HDR via the ASCOM driver in NINA. Another owner sees the same problem. Have you seen this issue on your copy?
I hope ZWO will follow with the HDR function. I love my 585, and I don't need the cooling for EAA. Btw, I noticed Sony has now listed the mono 585 as well. Hopefully it won't take too long before they hit the marked!
Hey Cuiv, thanks for such great detailed information! I’m totally new to the hobby and just now started building my first rig. The IMX585 cooled camera comes with the options of IR filter and AR Glass at the time of purchase. I'm planning on adding a filter wheel/drawer onto it, what option would you recommend?
Welcome to the hobby and thanks for your support!! I would recommend the AR glass, so you can have your own UV/IR filter (or any other filter like the IDAS GNB) without worrying about an internal filter! As for filter wheel/drawer, there are many choices, Touptek now have both available - check my video with the OAG and drawer from Touptek!
Thank you! Most of the filters I have on hand are 1.25". Initially, I purchased a QHY5-III462C for planetary imagining but will use it as a guide camera for now. I'm still learning about filter wheels which come in different filter sizes so I would need to match it to best function with the Touptek camera or any other type of camera with the same footprint; I did order the Touptek OAG you reviewed and waiting for it to arrive. Again thanks, and look forward to your next videos.
Hi Cuiv. Great Vid as always! I recently bought the ToupTek ATR3CMOS09000KPA with IMX533 color sensor. Once the sale was complete, the manufacturer ghosted me. I don't have a user manual or any information other than what is advertised on their website (which isn't much). Any chance you know what gain I should be using while in the High Gain Mode (HGM). I am finding conflicting information online. I have read that 100-101 is ideal for HGM, and I have read that 300 is ideal in HGM. Since the sensor is similar to your RisingCam 571, I was hoping you might have some insight. Thanks, Tommy
Hey Cuiv; just started shooting with this camera. I cannot get the HDR mode with the ASCOM driver in NINA to spit out proper images. At 100 Gain, the image preview is pitch black. I'll start seeing images at 1000 Gain, for example, but it's noisy. Can you perhaps share all the camera settings you are using to shoot with this? The results I'm getting with the normal high gain mode is great
Hi Cuiv, When we take our Darks and other Calibration Frames, will it matter if we have HDR mode engaged or not. Will I need Darks for both settings if we shoot in both modes?
Cuiv, this looks great! do you see the camera as a good match for medium to long focal lengths for planetaries and galaxies? My biggest scope I hope to pair it with is a 10” Meade OTA with . 63 focal reducer (about 1600mm FL at f6.3). Thanks for inspiring us once again! 😊
@@CuivTheLazyGeekor you can dedicate it to Lucky imaging and livestack with Sharpcap and save the staks as 5 minutes of say 3-5 seconds exposures resulting into crisp images that you can add time to ...
Soon as you said OSC you lost me lol. Need a mono version. You bring up a good point. the coolers on these topteks run very efficiently and seem to be able to cool it down with a lot less energy.
Look at that linearity report! LCG mode is reported linear to 40% of the full well depth, while HDR mode is linear only up to 10%! Meanwhile, SC reports the 571 is linear to 98+%. My own linearity tests put mine up to 86%, so I feel comfortable using it for photometry. The 585? Not at all. I'd be curious to see how easy it is to work with the 585 for pretty pictures. How much do you have to fiddle with exposure lengths to get it honed in? Do you have to adjust for each target? Can you stack disparate exposure lengths as easily as you can with the 571? How does the star profile look across the saturation range? I would bet profiles will look different in nearly-saturated stars versus dim stars.
Very interesting camera. Thanks for the review Cuiv. It seems to be really the successor to the 183MC Pro which was my first cooled astro camera but suffers from major amp glow and a sensor showing its age. One point on which I will respectuously disagree with you is the sensor form factor comparison with the 533. Actually, the square shape of the latter works wonders with galaxies and planetary nebulae which are usually round or slightly ovoid shaped objects.
In my case, the stars in HDR mode look ok up to 90s, above that they look terrible (the longer the worse) (AF in N.I.N.A. does not work properly). The improvement occurs when the gain is set to 2000. Can you check and confirm this, maybe something with the software needs to be improved. In H and L no problems.
678 has smaller pixels than the 585. I have the 585 uncooled and it’s a very good one, low noise, deep well, high QE, STARVIS 2, no amp glow, everything you want in an Astro cam. Okay ZWO please stand up here and make this. I’ve been waiting for a cooled 585. And the AM5 is the cherry on the top.
I think that an important thing that reviewers should point out to manufacturers is that putting a bunch of LEDs on astro equipment is counterproductive. If it's a warning LED, sure, but bright red, green, and blue lights? At least make it possible to disable them. 1) Adding light to a situation where we're trying to reduce extraneous light. 2) Messing up our night vision. 3) In my case, making my equipment noticeable from the street. I am lucky to live in a fairly low crime area, but I still am uncomfortable about leaving thousands of dollars worth of equipment sitting in my lawn overnight unattended. Anything to make it less noticeable is good.
At least, the LEDS could be disabled very easily on the first touptek 571 variant! With a piece of gaffer tape 😂 The leakage inside the camera housing for this one is 3 step back and a show stopper for me.
@@hael8680 It's a 4 screws and five minutes job to remove the housing and directly put some electric tape on top of the LEDs! But still having to remove the camera housing isn't a good feeling - at least it's easier than for ZWO since the fan isn't fixed on the housing
Not too much smaller than the 571… this would be good for short focal length I imagine because it’ll help with your sampling ratio. I don’t know if it’ll be worth purchasing if you already have the 2600mc.
Does anyone buy uncooled cameras these days? I can only think if they do its due to the price. Really think the manufacturers are missing a trick with their pricing models. They would probably be better off discontinuing some of the uncooled models and replacing with a cheaper version of something like the 533. As far as Toup Tek and their partner brands go why not sell a version without the carrying case and PSU? That would probably shave a bit of money off to start with (i don't need a new camera as my 183 mono and 533 OSC are working just fine, but if I did I already have five 12v PSUs, why would I want another one?)
Great vid Cuiv!👍👍 (1) I wonder if this camera will be more demanding on the mount (polar alignment, pointing accuracy & a need for slowly evolving P.E. & minimal backlash)🤔 (2) Would this sensor in HDR mode be a superior choice for planetary/lunar/filtered solar imaging? What about as a guider? 🤔 (3) I am looking forward to Antoine and Dalia now wanting doing a review, and attempting to copy your screenshot for this video! lol 😁
@@CuivTheLazyGeek without a doubt. I made a poor man's version with mine by attaching a black shark funcooler 2 to it. It can drop the sensor temp by up to 15C and only cost £30! No dew issues either
My reply got deleted… this keeps happening to me, when I mention company names or put links in the post. OK… probably fan-cooled only and no Peltier. You are right. The housing also looks different.
3:54 OMG How can a manufacturer do this and pretend they know anything about astrophotography!?? The light leakage is awful and that's not even talking about that Xmas light string!! Definitely not RASA material....
Cuiv this is pretty awesome! The IMX585 is in the same family as the IMX715 and IMX678 which have smaller pixels as these are all from the Sony security QHD line of cameras. The HDR function is built into all of these sensors and FINALLY someone is taking advantage of this feature! This is just a software driver so theoretically any vendor using these sensors like Touptek, QHY, and ZWO can enable this in software. 14 stops! Amazing! Thanks for this great news!
yeah the dashcam demo of sony starvis 2 tech was incredible.. the hdr is just wow. recommend u watch
Will be good to see vendors catching up :)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek Hey can you please ask them to make a cooled version of the IMX511! It's a 25MP camera with 1.12um pixels! The IMX511 is a cousin of the IMX571!
Lol.. Great Video! I absolutely love watching someone so knowledgeable and enthusiastic about their hobby/interest.. is so refreshing! Thank You!
Thank you!
I worked a few weeks on this sensor (lucky imaging)
I tell you, it is a revolution. There are no cameras that come even close to this kind of performances.
The HDR mode update is such a good news
Great review. Your excitement is traveling around the world at the speed of light!
Hahaha thanks!
Now, that is getting in the hobby budget range. 😎 Most interesting. Thank you.
You bet!
Nice that more companies are coming up with some compelling gear 😊
This I believe is the second IMX585 that is cooled after Player One Uranus-C Pro
Yep, I only found the Uranus C Pro with that sensor (as a cooled camera), it's always good to see more stuff!
That's awesome Cuiv I've seen the Uranus C & it seems to be a very capable camera in its own right but now Touptek are going to be producing them I look forward to checking out the cost for comparison. I'll definitely be looking out for more testing you do of this camera in the future to & the Dumbell nebula turned out real good to.
Clear skies.
Thanks! Will be fun to test more!
Cuiv,
Thanks so much for reviewing this new camera right after I bought my 533. 😡
I’m going to post the two hours that I got on m8/m20 from Lahaina Maui this week on Asstrobin (AstroHominid) but I’ll have to shoot this nebula with my 533 and take a look at the difference.
I love the effective focal length of these small sensors, especially paired with good optics like the redcats.
Guess I’ve got to submit a new P.O. Request to the budget office. Haha
Love the vids brother. Take care.
Hahaha sorry about the timing! Still, the 533 is excellent!
Got this IMX585 camera on your recommendation and I absolutely love it !
It's an awesome camera, glad you like it!
Cuiv, you called out the need for this tech some videos back, when you looked at the $200 planetary camera with tiny pixels. Good job!!!
(Tiny pixels give you better resolution. A tiny sensor boosts your "apparent" focal length ... for zooming in. )
Good to hear about the dynamic range and low noise aspects ....
Continued success!
Kind regards.
Thanks! And yes it's good to see the market evolve like that!
Looking at the SONY website on HDR technology, there are two HDR modes: DOL and CLEAR. The DOL mode takes two consecutive images and overlaps them on chip internally. The CLEAR mode adapts the local gain on-chip on a pixel level, allowing different exposure modes simultaneously! The IMX585 contains the HDR CLEAR mode, while the IMX571 “only” provides the DOL HDR mode.
Oh wow, thanks for checking this out!! I'll have to dig deeper
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I have this Touptek camera, but I have problems with HDR mode, with astrophoto I can see faint pattern (not Bayer derived) in the dark shots. Any one with this problem?
Great video thanks again Cuiv, your enthusiasm is welcome.
My pleasure ;)
Doesn't matter how good it is if it is super expensive, we need better affordable cameras.
Yeah, theres already uranus c pro from P1.
@@thatonespaceguy the high end area just has enough cameras already and there is room for innovation in the low end. Also those coolers are not expensive at all. Seriously, the highest I've seen the modules cost is about 20$ and considering these companies get special/bulk pricing I don't see why a lower end camera can't be cooled.
@@deltacx1059 Yeah, definely I would want to see some low end cooled CCD's, and as you said adding cooling is not expensive. I thought once about why there are no kits for making DSLR's cooled. (removing the lcd, closure, and adding a some kind of cooling) That would be great for people with tight budget and a DSLR Camera already.
There were some projects of cooling DSLR cams also.
@@thatonespaceguy i was looking and you can just buy sensors to slap on a PCB so it wouldn't be too bad to have a diy mirrorless/ astro camera once the ADC is figured out with some kind of software to operate it.
They are also wasting money a bit with their casing, they look like a very thick and heavy billet part rather than a extrusion or stamped/cast part, the only part that needs to be rigid is the mounting ring, heck everything else can be polycarbonate (or other suitable material)and not hurt performance whilst reducing cost. Standardizing case sizes may also help reduce cost rather than everyone making different cases.
Very excited for this!
Cuiv, can I ask what version of the ASCOM driver you were using in this test? The one I have here doesn't allow offset in HDR mode and the default offset is way too low. The result is that blacks are severely clipped. Thanks
Cuiv, any chance you could post a link to the ascom drivers for that camera ?
might be able to make it work with my 585 in Svbony 705 flavour :)
Very interesting. I have the ZWO 533 MC Pro and would definitely consider getting the 585 camera. I like the smaller pixels and HRD mode for my WO FLT 91.
Yep, and it's now available (see latest video)
I got the new Player ONE Uranus-C PRO which is also cooled. Very nice sensor indeed! I had the ZWO ASI585 and was already blown away about the noncooled version. Got some nice results with that one also.
Excellent to hear! Do they have the HDR mode? Because it's not listed on their product page...
I also have zwo asi585, but haven't found any mention of the hdr mode anywhere. I hope zwo will add that via a driver update.
@@photonqoptin the same boat as you. My 585mc was delivered yesterday and I'd like to understand how to enable it. Thanks
@@CuivTheLazyGeekno HDR mode on ZWO version, but a "strange" gain 252 to use HCG mode.
@@CuivTheLazyGeek No HDR available that I know of or can find. (on the Player ONE version)
Great video! Looking forward to this camera being released!
Same here!
I have the Altair Astro 26C the UK version of the Touptek 571 sensor. Hopefully they release a version with the 585 sensor so i might be able to squeeze more resolution from my C925 when i get Hyperstar next month. Excellent video Cuiv.
That's a great camera already! Hopefully Altair will have the IMX585 as well :)
The pixel size of the camera needs to be matched to the telescope. For a long focal length telescope those small pixels will do 3 things:
1. Decrease the system entendue
2. Decrease the signal per pixel
3. Exponentially unnecessarily increase the exposure time per target
For short focal Len systems, like in your case, the camera is a good choice at 1.16"/pixel
How do you manage the fan vibration.
This particular camera seems to be fine in terms of vibrations
Good video Cuiv
Very Nice Camera Cuiv!
Thanks Ray!
Hey Cuiv, nice review - I have just ordered this camera so 2 simple questions:
1. After testing what would be the sweet spot for Gain and Offset along with the cooling (I guess 100 at the high gain mode as per your review? ) for both only UV/IR Cut and Duo Narrowband imaging.
2. Can you use an OAG with this sensor or only a small quidescope?
My noraml euipment is a QHY268C on a 8inch TS Photon at f/3.4 (using the Nexus reducer)
Thanks in advance and greetings from Greece!
Cuiv, I have this camera and I see a vertical interlace pattern when using HDR via the ASCOM driver in NINA. Another owner sees the same problem. Have you seen this issue on your copy?
I hope ZWO will follow with the HDR function. I love my 585, and I don't need the cooling for EAA. Btw, I noticed Sony has now listed the mono 585 as well. Hopefully it won't take too long before they hit the marked!
Oh wow, mono version, let's go oOoOO!
Mono.. Oooh. Can I ask where u need to look for such news?. Thanks
Hey Cuiv, thanks for such great detailed information! I’m totally new to the hobby and just now started building my first rig. The IMX585 cooled camera comes with the options of IR filter and AR Glass at the time of purchase. I'm planning on adding a filter wheel/drawer onto it, what option would you recommend?
Welcome to the hobby and thanks for your support!! I would recommend the AR glass, so you can have your own UV/IR filter (or any other filter like the IDAS GNB) without worrying about an internal filter! As for filter wheel/drawer, there are many choices, Touptek now have both available - check my video with the OAG and drawer from Touptek!
Thank you! Most of the filters I have on hand are 1.25". Initially, I purchased a QHY5-III462C for planetary imagining but will use it as a guide camera for now. I'm still learning about filter wheels which come in different filter sizes so I would need to match it to best function with the Touptek camera or any other type of camera with the same footprint; I did order the Touptek OAG you reviewed and waiting for it to arrive. Again thanks, and look forward to your next videos.
it would be interesting to compare with not cooling zwo asi585.
thanks for your videos
Hi Cuiv. Great Vid as always!
I recently bought the ToupTek ATR3CMOS09000KPA with IMX533 color sensor. Once the sale was complete, the manufacturer ghosted me. I don't have a user manual or any information other than what is advertised on their website (which isn't much). Any chance you know what gain I should be using while in the High Gain Mode (HGM). I am finding conflicting information online. I have read that 100-101 is ideal for HGM, and I have read that 300 is ideal in HGM. Since the sensor is similar to your RisingCam 571, I was hoping you might have some insight.
Thanks,
Tommy
Hey Cuiv; just started shooting with this camera. I cannot get the HDR mode with the ASCOM driver in NINA to spit out proper images. At 100 Gain, the image preview is pitch black. I'll start seeing images at 1000 Gain, for example, but it's noisy. Can you perhaps share all the camera settings you are using to shoot with this? The results I'm getting with the normal high gain mode is great
Yep Touptek is currently working on an issue with the HDR mode, hopefully they'll have a new driver soon. HCG is the way to go for now
@@CuivTheLazyGeek ah ok, make sense :D Thanks!
thanks Cuiv!
Hi Cuiv,
When we take our Darks and other Calibration Frames, will it matter if we have HDR mode engaged or not. Will I need Darks for both settings if we shoot in both modes?
I asked Player One if they were going to add the HDR mode on the Uranus C Pro, apparently they are working on it ! 🎉
Awesome news!
Cuiv, this looks great! do you see the camera as a good match for medium to long focal lengths for planetaries and galaxies? My biggest scope I hope to pair it with is a 10” Meade OTA with . 63 focal reducer (about 1600mm FL at f6.3). Thanks for inspiring us once again! 😊
That's a tough call, with such a long FL I'm not sure you need those small pixels, unless you have great seeing and even greater tracking!
@@CuivTheLazyGeekor you can dedicate it to Lucky imaging and livestack with Sharpcap and save the staks as 5 minutes of say 3-5 seconds exposures resulting into crisp images that you can add time to ...
Superbe comme toujours. Bravo
Soon as you said OSC you lost me lol. Need a mono version.
You bring up a good point. the coolers on these topteks run very efficiently and seem to be able to cool it down with a lot less energy.
Hahaha yes, I think we need Sony to release a mono version of the sensor first :)
Hi @Cuiv, thanks for the review - where does one buy this? I don't see it anywhere online.
As mentioned in the video, not released yet! I'll add a link once it does get released!
In 12.5mm backfocus mode can the camera accept a threaded filter (whether 1.25" or 2")?
I think it is M42 male thread.
Look at that linearity report! LCG mode is reported linear to 40% of the full well depth, while HDR mode is linear only up to 10%! Meanwhile, SC reports the 571 is linear to 98+%. My own linearity tests put mine up to 86%, so I feel comfortable using it for photometry. The 585? Not at all. I'd be curious to see how easy it is to work with the 585 for pretty pictures. How much do you have to fiddle with exposure lengths to get it honed in? Do you have to adjust for each target? Can you stack disparate exposure lengths as easily as you can with the 571? How does the star profile look across the saturation range? I would bet profiles will look different in nearly-saturated stars versus dim stars.
I'll have a deeper look! Now you make me worried my light source had issues for those charts
Very interesting camera. Thanks for the review Cuiv. It seems to be really the successor to the 183MC Pro which was my first cooled astro camera but suffers from major amp glow and a sensor showing its age. One point on which I will respectuously disagree with you is the sensor form factor comparison with the 533. Actually, the square shape of the latter works wonders with galaxies and planetary nebulae which are usually round or slightly ovoid shaped objects.
I don't think I said anything bad about the square aspect ratio? :D I compared it to IMAX which is a good thing!
In my case, the stars in HDR mode look ok up to 90s, above that they look terrible (the longer the worse) (AF in N.I.N.A. does not work properly). The improvement occurs when the gain is set to 2000. Can you check and confirm this, maybe something with the software needs to be improved. In H and L no problems.
The player one uranus c pro is also same !
Hi Cuiv! Would you happen to know the target RRP for this camera? It doesnt appear to be on the internet at all yet haha
I also much prefer these landscape style sensors over the square ones. Feels way more natural than the 1:1 aspect ratio sensors.
I don't know yet!! We'll have to wait for a proper Touptek product page!
Hi Cuiv and thanks. Just a thought. You should change your name. Nothing lazy about you. Lots of work and research . Thanks for all the vids.😊
Hahaha I do try to be accurate!
Would you recommend it as an only pro astro camera to have? I have a budget for one and I'm looking at the 533 at the moment. Thank you!
I have the 533 and love it. ZWO rules.
The 533 is also a great compromise - the IMX585 should also work great... It really depends!
678 has smaller pixels than the 585. I have the 585 uncooled and it’s a very good one, low noise, deep well, high QE, STARVIS 2, no amp glow, everything you want in an Astro cam. Okay ZWO please stand up here and make this. I’ve been waiting for a cooled 585. And the AM5 is the cherry on the top.
Yep, will be nice to see ZWO step up!
Good review!
Thanks!
Interesting development. I suppose that a monochrome version will follow soon? That would be a nice planetary camera with my Skymax 180?
I don't think Sony makes a monochrome version of the sensor...
Brilliant many thanks
Sounds great. Of course, we all know mono is better 😉. Have you heard any plans on that front? I guess 6 months after the OSC?
I don't think Sony makes a mono version of the sensor yet...
Exciting news
I think that an important thing that reviewers should point out to manufacturers is that putting a bunch of LEDs on astro equipment is counterproductive. If it's a warning LED, sure, but bright red, green, and blue lights? At least make it possible to disable them.
1) Adding light to a situation where we're trying to reduce extraneous light.
2) Messing up our night vision.
3) In my case, making my equipment noticeable from the street. I am lucky to live in a fairly low crime area, but I still am uncomfortable about leaving thousands of dollars worth of equipment sitting in my lawn overnight unattended. Anything to make it less noticeable is good.
Yes, completely agree - I've spoken to Touptek on this, I hope they'll look into adding the ability to turn those LEDs off in later models
At least, the LEDS could be disabled very easily on the first touptek 571 variant! With a piece of gaffer tape 😂 The leakage inside the camera housing for this one is 3 step back and a show stopper for me.
@@hael8680 It's a 4 screws and five minutes job to remove the housing and directly put some electric tape on top of the LEDs! But still having to remove the camera housing isn't a good feeling - at least it's easier than for ZWO since the fan isn't fixed on the housing
@@CuivTheLazyGeek And guaranteed no light leak? 🤔 can the LEDs be pulled out? Are they soldered in place?
@@hael8680 soldered in place, tiny flat LEDs, you can check my video on Touptek old vs new to have a look
Going to try the 678MC... 2nm pixels!
Nice and tiny!
Good bye NoisExterminaor ?
I'll still be using it, shot noise from light pollution isn't going away :)
**adds to Christmas list**
2.9um pixel size (4:47)
Not too much smaller than the 571… this would be good for short focal length I imagine because it’ll help with your sampling ratio. I don’t know if it’ll be worth purchasing if you already have the 2600mc.
Does anyone buy uncooled cameras these days? I can only think if they do its due to the price. Really think the manufacturers are missing a trick with their pricing models. They would probably be better off discontinuing some of the uncooled models and replacing with a cheaper version of something like the 533. As far as Toup Tek and their partner brands go why not sell a version without the carrying case and PSU? That would probably shave a bit of money off to start with (i don't need a new camera as my 183 mono and 533 OSC are working just fine, but if I did I already have five 12v PSUs, why would I want another one?)
All good points! Cheaper cooled cameras could fully remove the need for non-cooled cameras
Affordable camera is what we need. I hope the price is right.
Yep, it will be good to see the price. The price of the Uranus C-Pro isn't too bad
RElease date!?!?!?! Ahhh!!!!
I'll let you know as soon as I have more info!
Great vid Cuiv!👍👍
(1) I wonder if this camera will be more demanding on the mount (polar alignment, pointing accuracy & a need for slowly evolving P.E. & minimal backlash)🤔
(2) Would this sensor in HDR mode be a superior choice for planetary/lunar/filtered solar imaging? What about as a guider? 🤔
(3) I am looking forward to Antoine and Dalia now wanting doing a review, and attempting to copy your screenshot for this video! lol 😁
Thanks Derek! 1: yes, smaller pixels, 2: no idea!, 3: mwahahaha yes that video was awesome!
See also asi178mm cool
Yep, too bad it was discontinued - although the sensor tech of the IMX585 together with read noise and DR is vastly superior!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek without a doubt. I made a poor man's version with mine by attaching a black shark funcooler 2 to it. It can drop the sensor temp by up to 15C and only cost £30! No dew issues either
"The gaping mouth from hell..." AHHHHHHHH
Hahaha
❤❤❤❤
I found the camera online from a Chinese supplier for about 350$. Deliveries start Aug. 27th.
When I post a link, the comment gets removed ☹️😤
Are you sure that's not the uncooled version (or fan-cooled only)?
My reply got deleted… this keeps happening to me, when I mention company names or put links in the post.
OK… probably fan-cooled only and no Peltier. You are right. The housing also looks different.
If there were an APS-C sized version of this…gahhhhh!
ZWO used to make cooled planetary cams…there was an ASI355mc Pro!
Yesss! So many cooled cameras they had, but they did streamline everything!
3:54 OMG How can a manufacturer do this and pretend they know anything about astrophotography!?? The light leakage is awful and that's not even talking about that Xmas light string!! Definitely not RASA material....
They're not alone 😂 even ZWO's LEDs are difficult to shut off, the light filters a bit through the USB port, really bad for RASA or Hyperstar!
294M still rules, if someone can bypass their finicky behavior.
Yes, the finicky behavior makes me avoid it...
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I think in 2-3 years time we will get APC size sensor with 1.5-2um pixel,