Repairing a 1980 Williams FIREPOWER Pinball Machine - PCB's Keep Crashing! All Lights Dead
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Take a look at the Great Plains website. I went there the other day and apparently a family tragedy has prompted him to retire. Very sad.
I purchased a project Firepower yesterday and you post a repair series today. The planets are aligning.
You'll be able to follow the bouncing ball with Ron.
I have always loved pinball machines way back when I was a little kid.❤😊😮❤
I always enjoy your videos..
I was an owner operator back in the day with over 450 machines. Now I refurbish them for fun.
That's very cool!!
Do you remember what machines were the top earners for your business, back in the day? 💰😊
I think the RC markings on the boards are from the Repair Connection. Back in the day 20 years ago, they were the go to place to send Williams Pinball Boards for repairs. Pretty sure they're not doing repairs anymore.
Man, the artwork on these last few pinball machines you've fixed has hit it out of the park! There's a big difference between the backglass art of the early 1980s and the pre-1980s era machines. They're more willing to use special paint and air brush effects in the later art. It makes a HUGE difference!
Man, those IDC connectors can make diagnosing a problem that much harder to track down...
IDC, the connector that says "I Don't Care"
Great video. The detective work is always good.
Thank you Kent we appreciate you watching as always man! BTW I always think the background of your avatar is the state of texas, lol
One of ur best video's! Great troubleshooting...
Respect a fellow gamer and arcade repair dude love your content been a long time watcher of your content cheers from Harriman Tennessee
I’ve been wanting to see this machine again. I had one myself, but, was forced to sell it. Your videos are awesome brother.👍
Reminds me of the smoke test on Vice Grip Garage. Hook up the power and look and smell for smoke. Great video Ron.
HA! It is pretty much the exact same thing! 😄
At some time in this series, we are bound to hear Ron say “Firepower” in his electronic pinball voice!
A real game changer in 80s pinball this one was !! 1st played one of these in Hanover Germany 1981-ish as grew up over there,was in a bar.while my dad was in a shop 🤣 Thank you for filming it for us guys x
Caps that read HIGH are usually leaky, so it's time to change them. NEW caps will sometimes test UNDER their value, such as getting 98uf on a NEW 100uf.
Wow. One of my all time favorites! I wish I had room in my house for one. I'd drive to Rock Hill! PS I lived in Fort Mill for years and didn't know you guys existed. Thanks for restoring these old gems.
Thank you Lab Nine, if you ever make it back to town stop by and check us out!
@@LyonsArcade I will!!!
I have always wondered what kind of electrical sytems powers a place with lots of electrical outlets to power lots of arcade machines. I demand a store fuse box tour :)
I've often wondered the same, especially at a place called "Funspot" @ Weirs Beach in New Hampshire. The largest arcade in the US (maybe even the world). Place is absolute heaven. Next time I go I'll have to take a look at the service drop from the street or ask the manager for a tour of the electrical room.
We actually don't have too impressive of a system, but we upgraded a bit when we moved in. The front left wall has it's own 20amp circuit, the front right wall has it's own, and the back has 3 circuits on one side and one on the other. So we have everything plugged into 6 circuits, but we usually don't have everything on either. The most we ever have up and running at once is about 50 games.... Some of them though only draw an amp or so, the pinball machines draw 3 amps or so usually. There was a big thread on pinside awhile back where the pinball hall of fame was doing pictures and stuff of the build of the new building, and they showed the huge power setup they need to run all those machines. Pretty wild!
my all time favorite machine!!!
Another mighty machine. Great diagnostic work to get it almost there. …. watching the detective…. great video Ronnie.
Come on people...that Kaiweets KMS601 is a quality multimeter!
Tom Callahan Repaired the boards that's TRC on the board TOMS REPAIR CONNECTION
Great game. I love my firepower it's so fast. Great job on the 40 pin connector man that must have taken some time. What is the best way to mount the remote battery holder to the machine? Thanks Ronnie for filming and see you on the next video.
Hey! Thanks. Saw something here that corrected our Firepower issues. Simple as credit setting got changed. Who knows how. Changed back to 0 and Shazam.
Love Fire Power!
I love this channel. Where is Joe located? SC? I'm jealous that he gets to play with these epic nostalgic machines all day. I never thought the day would come when we could watch TV about stuff like this.
Another great video from the master pinball repair man ❤
Also needs a NVRAM upgrade!
Another fantastic video! These are so entertaining and informative to watch; thank you for the great content, Ronnie! I am trying to learn to revive a (slightly later, as it is a System 9, but not too far off) Sorcerer pinball that I had shipped to me, and that was unfortunately involved in a crash and was destroyed! I can get the game to boot up from time to time, even play games for a couple of hours occasionally, but then it'll die w/ an error 1, 5, or 7. I've tried a bunch of stuff, and am kind of stuck now, so I'm hoping to get some more ideas (or hell, even direct input if anyone has any would be greatly appreciated!) from these videos, as I have in the past! If you ever do a System 9 repair for a game that keeps locking up, now *that* will be a video not to miss! Can't wait for the follow-up video for this Firepower in the meantime :)
There's several things it could be, ripple or bad connections on the power supply or the power supply connection on the MPU, bad sockets on the MPU, or a bad 'interconnect' board between the MPU and the Driver board, that would be what I would look at first. I've also seen bad roms that after they heat up they start being problematic.
@@LyonsArcade thank you for the reply! Same person here, just a diff channel (am on my phone now) :) Among the things I’ve tried are:
-recapping the power supply and MPU
-re-pinning (M and F) several connectors, including the ones that deliver/receive power (though they’ve always tested out w/ good voltages, as far as I can tell)
-replaced U18 w/ 6116 NVRAM
-tested voltages at several of the other chips and they seem good, too
-believe I’ve check the transistors and those have seemed consistent, as well
-replaced fuses, though they haven’t blown since I fixed a stuck pop bumper switch when I first got the destroyed game in
I’ve wondered if there might be issues with other ROMs, but I’m not sure how to test them beyond voltage expectations. I bought a logic probe, but am not sure how to use it to test those or if it’d be helpful here :/
I’d really prefer to find and fix the problem(s) on these original boards, rather than shelling out $500 to try a new MPU when I don’t even know if it’d work! I’m wondering if it comes down to various chips that might need replacing, and there are definitely a couple that get insanely hot to the touch pretty quickly, I just don’t know how to test them and I haven’t got a means of burning ROMs. Maybe a good next step (ideally after testing, rather than shotgunning?) is trying to hunt down replacement chips for all the sockets and see if it helps?
Man I want one. There is a guy not far from me has a part 2 of this pretty cheap
Love this game. My friend owns one. I also played it at the Pinball Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. The original design had drop targets, and the one in Vegas had that version of the game, except the drops, would not.... drop, so the game was pretty impossible to fully play.
Man at the state fair couple years back they had the free pinball exhibit bunch of types I didnt get to go
Gotta love those old Williams and Bally boards. 🤔🙄
Williams: Let's connect two boards together, and make the connections really craptacular!
Bally: Let's use the world's smallest connector pins so they bend if you breathe on them wrong!
It's been a while since a Firepower was done. Looking forward to see this through.
As usual, you just seem to do the exact video that I want to see :). Your troubleshooting is still as great as ever.
On the cap testing. It's not uncommon for bigger electrolytics to show 20% off on meters due to the way the meters work. The digital meters workwith a formula based on time to charge and because Electro's tend to leak a little, even when 100% good, the bigger ones do read a bit higher.
Great video - looking forward to the next one!
If Rodney is really your friend you’ll always put two 5a SB fuses between the transformer and the 2 full wave bridge rectifiers so that if/when one shorts it doesn’t burn poor Rodney’s house down! 😂!
Just to hear it I love it
I love Firepower. That machine makes you EARN multiball.
Please never stop making your videos, I love them, your channel is growing very fast! Do you think it is possible to upgrade your camera and buy better lighting?
Thank you for watching Martin, we don't have the manpower to use a nicer camera or more lighting, it's very hard for 2 of us to put out three videos a week as it is, a nicer camera means bigger file sizes which means more editing time, more uploading time, etc. Just not possible, sorry.
@@LyonsArcade I understand, please consider getting a portable studio light with a stand, I noticed that the quality is a lot better when you record something with more light, just to make things pop a little more. I record a lot of videos with a smartphone and using a good light changes the quality a lot.
Actually, it is possible for old capacitors to pretend to be higher than they are. They could be failing as they could be charging slower. So you can't always go by that. If they are leaky, it increases the charge time and can produce higher than normal values on the meter. There isn't really a single piece of test equipment to fully vet capacitors.
And if you watch the Mr. Carlson's Lab channel, one can learn that other capacitors besides electrolytics are polarized, and those are often mismarked if marked at all. A lot of capacitors have internal shielding and you'd want the side connected to the shielding to be the lowest impedance side. So if you feed a tube or a transistor, you'd want the shielded side to be closest to the previous stage. That way, you are less likely to amplify interference. He teaches how to test that with a scope or make a device to test that.
As for the current machine, yeah, I imagine more connectors are involved.
You got my grail machine right there,,,
I’m seeing double! Four Firepower’s!
FIREPOWER!!! ❤️ 💙 💜 💖 💗
Cheap one is atlas ESR 70 from amazon 120.00 … to check ESR and capacity in one tool…I own the DER EE DE-5000 handheld LCR meter…
Its cool I remember when those pixietubescore cameout
Ron, watch out on your new capacitor tester. Really, to measure a capacitor, you need to know not just what it claims as its capacitance but also what the ESR (equivalent series resistance) and/also its parallel resistance. Capacitor meters essentially use timing to determine capacitance (how fast does it charge). However if you have ESR or parallel resistance, it will cause your meter to read as higher capacitance.
So, when you find that a capacitor measures on the high side, and it is an older capacitor, you can predict that it has ESR or EPR causing the meter to read high...since that is a failure mode (the capacitor turning into a resistor), they should be changed.
Morning Ron
For power supply caps isn’t the ESR as important as the /funny voice micro farad/funny voice value? F14 new playfield in printing……. 😄
The yellow paper caps are junk (far past there exp. date). Replace those too.
On the electrolytics, when the ESR goes high, you get a false high capacitance value.
We used “punch down” blocks extensively at the telephone company. However, of all brands (many have come and gone), only the legendary Siemens (originally made by Western Electric) “66” blocks were truly reliable.
PS. The at&t 110 blocks are a close second, but are easily damaged if using the wrong punch down tool.
I've got one of these and is real nice.. sound went out.. it still plays and keeps score.. can you help.. thanks Gary
The sound board works separate from the main board so it can be bad and the game still work.... it's the same as a Black Knight, we work on one in this video: ruclips.net/video/4hNpVA5o0Uo/видео.html
Joe what you the color coded wires in the 15 pin connector on a Williams Firepower that control the displays as my connection needs to be pain and my displays go out and I'm trying to find the wires and I think it's one of those wires cuz when I move them to this place come back on
On this video you replaced capacitor C16.
I cannot find it on the schematic I'm using. Could you please tell me what capacitor you put in place of the old one.
Great Plains Electronics has a disclaimer saying he is selling the business. I hope they don't go under.
yes unfortunately he has chosen to sell the business, we've been using our buddy Riptor at www.TwistyWristArcade.com for many years now too, so we're pointing people that way when we can (this video was filmed awhile back)
Hey Ron!!
Also buy good caps !!! Panasonic Nichicon cause cheap caps can wreak havoc in just a few years…
Hi Joe!! Love to see those Firepower´s together. Just one question, I´ve seen flashing lamps on logo "Williams" and now I see it on the planets, I need to do some work at mine but I never find any circuit that make those light flash, so, those lamps are blinking because of a circuit or they are just simply blinking bulbs? Thanks!
On this particular one I believe someone has added blinking bulbs, it was pretty common on EM's so a lot of people put them on Solid States in certain places too. Thank you for watching Mariano!
Wheres the big subwoofers for those bad boys!?!!!
JOE CLASSIC, What is the name of the circuit that is generating the pulses 18Vdc to 6vdc for the lamps? because when the MPU board has a problem with the code it will output 18vdc steady ( not pulsing ) so it will damage all the lamps because 18vdc is applied to the lamps which causes them to get damaged. I'm just confused about when the MPU board has a coding problem or other type of problems that is will stop generating the pulses of the 18vdc for the lamps which will damage the lamps. This sounds like a major design flaw and bug which they left in. Another Question#2 is does the GOLD contacts for connectors prevent battery acid damage and prevent battery corrosion because they are GOLD contacts? because those Molex connectors use that silver plated pins so I'm thinking since they aren't GOLD plated that they will get battery acid damaged and battery corrosion issues because they are silver plated pins and not gold plated pins for the molex connectors?
Micro ferrettttt
Sounds like my black knight pinball..lol,..wonder why ?
What capacitor meter is that?
Hey Ron does your last name start with a C? LOL
Nope :)
I own a Bally Addams family and Twilight Zone pinballs every time turn them both off It says factory setting restored can you please help me
Your batteries are probably dead in the backbox, open it up and replace the batteries. If there is a bunch of acid damage you may have other problems but hopefully not.
The S insert light being stuck on is normal. Just bad code. Every Firepower is like this.
The code is bad
when i do a switch test, none of them sound off.
That tilt switch at 46:27 looks suspicious._
It's up and running people..kinda
It's broke. - JOE
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Seemler
"Gorgar eat u brain"
Microfarads 😄
I hear him say it like that all of the time, but I never got the inside joke as to why he does.
@@ChadAmI80 because alot of people get offended at that term..they say..."Oh it's UF, not Microfarad" so he sticks it to those people by saying Microfarad or Microfarads lol
@@naytch2003 Gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up :-)
@@ChadAmI80 Sweet as:)
Shhh...microfarad. LOL.
Turn it off turn it on
Don't fix it.. just disconnect the coil. LOL.. Knockers are highly over rated.
If your going to do something, do it right or don't do it at all.
@@viscountalpha I agree. Drives me nuts how many people just say F it and don't fix the knocker. I understand free play and all, but it's part of the machine and often doesn't take much to troubleshoot.
Knockers are awesome people come on now 🤣
@@naytch2003 I lobbed that one across the plate. Glad you swung! LOL
@@irieman442 Oh hell yeah..I swung for the fences lol 😂