I’m not a Ford fan. I own four Toyota’s but I’m really excited to see what Ford brings to the market. This will force Toyota and Jeep to step up their game. I can’t wait!
Jeep will just add Hemi's and then Bronco will respond with the Coyote in two years and that's it... but Toyota- Toyota could really take some notes and do something big.
Allowing the off road package on a base is golden. I wish Jeep would do that. If they would make the rubicon only the off road stuff that would be premium for those of us who like keeping it simple. I think it’s just a way to upsell the buyers and I hope that ford sells enough broncos to make FCA rethink there way they sell the packages.
I don't realy care about the Bronco, but I can't stop watching, because the amount of usefull information in your videos is absolutely fantsatic. I'm very interested in your thoughts on the Ineos Grenadier.
haha, thanks! The Grenadier looks exactly like what I would design and build if I was king for a day (and talented!) I love the idea, I'm afraid of the price!
that locker on a base model option is what the industry needed.. the people using lockers dont want to spend 20k on fancy seats and painted fenders ect and the people buying the top model with all those luxuries wont use the lockers.. a base model at msrp plus a few grand for the factory lockers and possibly a tire upgrade would be ideal for offroaders, overlanders and general adventurers
I agree 10,000 times over! I really, really hope this pushes Jeep (and more brands) do offer the same kind of "mix and match" packages so we can each get what best suits out needs!
Exactly right. I've been saying that for years. You get all the off road goodies in a car you wouldn't want to take off road. The only one I've found that does it right was the poverty pack 5 seat Mitsubishi Pajero. It came with a rear locker.
It is very interesting and you right but IMO... :) - Payload is sth that is directly dependent on suspension. For many 4x4s one can find "heavy-duty" shocks and springs with +100 or +200 kg. Ladder frame can bear that load, no problem. Some pickup trucks have two options: springs or leafs at rear and different load capacity. Tip: Upgrading suspension for more payload you should remember upgrade tires too (if necessary). - IFS is weaker but we are talking extreme situations. Wrangler Dana front solid axles have "delicate" joints (compared to knuckle balls) especially on mud (I dont know, the guy who drive its second or third Jeep say so) and are not so longstanding. For most overlanders IFS should be enough, but of course solid axles are considered bulletproof and no doubt heavy duty, even Wrangler Danas - if you maintain them properly. So yes, if you drive through western Africa solids are much better. - Additional fuel tank is an factory or aftermarket option for many off-road vehicles. It is not a big problem. I suppose aftermarket for Bronco will be huge. Most Bronco owners will stick to North America, a few hundreds will overland to South America, another few hundreds will be privately imported to Europe. (I wish Aussie to get Bronco) So is it really need solid front? I am not sure about that. Raptors showed IFS can be strong as hell. :) Cheers
Solid solid axles have 3 advantages. 1. Constant ground clearance under the axle, not going to bottom out on the engine bay skid plate. 2. Relatively cheaper/easier articulation upgrades and more articulation potential. 3. Robustness when hit, robustness under torque and untorqueing(time will tell about the new wave Bronco). But for mild off-roading done in overlanding(not including moderate to serious off-roading + overlanding) soild axles are not necessary . But I would still prefer to have solid axles front and rear and don't mind having a slightly less refined ride.
Agree 100%! I drive a late-model Toyota 4Runner, and the IFS is something that I don't really care too much for. It has a decent on road ride, but it seems like it's somewhat fragile, and it doesn't seem to really offer any ground clearance advantage. It is however definitely more complicated and expensive to lift, without offering any additional wheel travel.
@Benoit Venne I will wait for objective reviews with the same tire pressures and competent drivers. If a Badlands with the Sasquach package with 35's is being tested, then to be fair a 2 inch MOPAR lift and equal tires(315/70r17 KM3) must be fitted to a JL Wrangler Rubicon.
This is the best analysis comparing the JL (and others) to the Bronco I have seen so far. Looked beyond the numbers and hype, and really thought about where the stats come from, and what they mean to overlanders.
5:18 I actually think you might look differently at this if you get to drive one. Modern turbocharged engines can actually make peak torque much earlier in the rev range than their naturally aspirated counterparts with bigger displacement. Twin scroll exhaust housings, electronic boost control, direct or multi-point injection all make it possible to all but eliminate turbo lag found in older turbo vehicles.
Jeremy Rhodes while I strongly disagree that they are not known for long-term durability, (the vehicles designed for the highest mileage, semi-trucks, are all turbocharged along with countless other examples of reliable turbo engines from various manufacturers who didn’t cheap out) I definitely see the point of avoiding complexity. You don’t want to blow a charge pipe in the middle of the desert and suck up a bunch of sand, etc. I think the best counter-argument was made in the video: 1) Turbocharged engines can act volatile when using poor fuel and 2) they produce extra heat, which is the enemy in an overlanding situation.
Many people get overlanding and off-roading mixed up... I just cannot imagine taking a Ford outside off North America... I’m always blown away that Dan is killin’ it with a Jeep!! But that Wrangler is a solid rig!!
The trade off of complexity with IFS is your on road ride and performance will be much better. I’d think a lot of overlanding is on hardened surfaces. The torque in the low end of the eco boost is way better than its naturally aspirated competitors. Good review I like it.
As far as Jeeps, there off roading options, and offering them at a lower trim level, the Rubicon can already be bought with the lower trim spec. They already have cloth seats, a soft top, and the smaller infotainment system, stock. The only things that aren’t add ons are AC and power locks/windows. The fact that most wranglers rolling around today are fully specked out is just a function of customer demand and what the dealers push. As far as actually adding in the features at a “lower” trim level, the limiting factor seems to be the Dana 30’s that are standard in the front end. Jeep doesn’t make lockers for them and might not because they may be too weak to handle the loads. This may also play into not being willing to throw the bigger tires on the lower trims, as well; axle is too weak. This is essentially true if you’re going up over 34 inches on those in the front. The amount of work needed to make those Dana 30 maybe handle 35” tires it usually just makes more sense to grab a junk yard 40 and swap them. The only things Jeep could really offer is an optional rear locker option over the LSD and the lower range transfer case like in the Rubicons. Although, I’m not sure how necessary that even is. With open diffs (I drive a rubicon with the lowest trim level) and a working brake lock differential system I am very hard pressed to get the vehicle stuck anyway, add in a proper LSD in the rear, and I think anything that would warrant a rear locker would be easy concurred especially if driven with an eye to keeping up momentum. The only exception I see to this is sand driving, constantly needing to use the LSD and Brake Lock Differential may cause overheating issues; just locking it and going would obviously be better in this case. The lower range t-case? Do you even need it if you’re not doing the serious rock crawling? Sure it’s nice for easier low speed wheeling and dragging stuff around at the farm, but if you’re already driving this thing to conserve momentum, on account of the LSD, why does it matter? I’m just not sure it really makes any sense offering these features to the people who probably wouldn’t use them anyway. (And that’s saying nothing about the people who do buy them and still don’t uses the in the Rubicon). Me personally, might spec my sport with a locker and lower t-case, but I know that I’m one of the few people out there that does wheel his Jeep and also knows I don’t need the Rubicon package to do what I do (mostly logging trails) the only times I felt I needed the lockers was in deep snow, that I probably shouldn’t have been in anyways. I’ve gotten stuck as many times in that same snow and had to dig out. A a shovel and cheap set of off brand Mac Trax are what saved my bacon in those situations anyways.
The points you made about the Turbo and the load capabilities are very valid. I think we won’t know for bout a year until we get some real world feedback from “field testing”, same as with the reliability of the IFS. Good thing is that the engine and transmission are proven and there should be plenty of parts available for those as they are common to the F150. I have a 4-door first Edition reserved and do plan on taking it out on some long weekend trips. Thanks for your great insights
Yes , people ask your opinion because it is non biased common sense. There is no substitute for experience! Always enjoyable video. Well done. Competition improves the breed. The Bronco will make Jeep better.
You may want to look into Ford Ecoboost engine performance. These motors are defined by instant low end torque. Boost lag is a thing of the past. They pull like diesels. Having said that, the Bronco is immediately out of the running as an overlander due to low payload and fuel range. It's a local hero, a UTV for people who want more comfort.
The ecoBoost lineup it's been refined over time, the first gen had some issues but were addressed right away since it was meant for the top seller F-150.
Dan, as usual your unique and practical observations add insight and value to the Bronco vs. Wrangler discussion. Great segment and looking for more to come. stay safe and wheel on!
When you mentioned the torque peak of the turbocharged engine, yes typically performance cars are tuned to make the torque higher in the RPM range. However turbo motors can be tuned to make it lower in the RPM range. I think that's why the 2.7 performs so well in the F-150, it actually has a very good low-end torque curve. My turbo Volvo 2.5L 5 cylinder actually hits its torque peak of 236ft lbs at 1900 RPM, and feels much more powerful than the 4 liter V6 in my 2013 4Runner, which doesn't hit its torque peak of 280 till about 4500 RPM. When I hit the gas at low RPM in the 4Runner, it's very sluggish and it feels like there's nothing there. The vehicle doesn't really start to accelerate until I climb past 3500 RPM. The turbo engine is actually one of the things I'm most excited about in the Bronco. After driving a high-torque turbo motor, and a low torque naturally aspirated V6, I would much rather have the turbo.
I few people have mentioned the 2.7 actually reaches peak torque at 1000rpm, which is extremely, extremely impressive. Maybe I need to stand corrected on that point, it seems I was wrong. I can't wait for people to start driving these things off road so we get real world details!
@@TheRoadChoseMe it's a common misconception, and I think in the early days of turbo motors it was very true. Even now, with things like wrx's and evos I think they're like that, very peaky. The other thing that people say is that turbos are very unreliable on higher mileage, however my Volvo has 224,000 miles and has not had any turbo issues.
I have a ranger with the 2.3 turbo that is to be the base engine of the Bronco, and I can say even coming from a jeep 4.0, low end grunt isn't lacking! Modern twin scroll designs have really tackled that problem. Heat soak may become an issue in hotter countries though, but I can't say I'm all too knowledgeable about how turbos do in hot climates! High altitudes, turbo is king though.
Fantastic insights Dan. Thanks for doing the video. Hopefully aftermarket will come up with a bigger fuel tank. The IFS is the most concerning to me. As usual your knowledge is the best on RUclips for all things long haul ! Thanks Dan for the great videos. Keep it going!
Thanks for the info! I like the point you made about how this is going to drive more competition between Jeep and Ford. Hopefully we get to see some great innovation with the aftermarket companies as well.
I'm sure there's talks about bringing the diesel engine to the Bronco, since they already have one that matches the same transmission in the F-150 and will sure provide a better range of around 600km with an 18 gallon tank. The IFS isn't a deal breaker for me since I'm not into extreme trails and if they designed the thing right then it will be capable and having driven a D-max and a Frontier 2018 both diesels with IFS on rough terrain I can tell you that the ride quality it's so damn good.
Some excellent points. Especially about the turbo. They used to offer a reg v8 in their f150 that was the choice of 95% of seasoned Ford mechanics. I believe that it's been or being phased out.
I feel like there is a huge gap in this market for a much more base model with solid axles, decent payload and minimal electronics in the right sized package. With backup cams being law perhaps even integrating that into the rear view mirror and ditching the screens if legal would be nice. Manual transmissions etc etc... As someone who has been shopping for an overland vehicle in NA for quite awhile now. There is almost nothing other than Jeep with solid axles. Trucks are often too big and don't offer much more payload if any unless moving into Heavy duties. It's nice that the Bronco has stirred up so much interest in this category regardless of its flaws. Shows this category is seriously neglected by anyone who wants to challenge Jeep.
Agree 100% Hopefully the bronco being offered as "pick your options" will make Jeep do the same, you will be able to get a very stripped out base model with lockers, etc.
U can get 35" tires from the factory and the corresponding benefits of this, including approach, departure and break angles as well as overall clearance. I know alot of overlanders have criticized Americans for going crazy with the lifts and lifting them to ridiculous levels and it's true but if you have 35's and mild lift , I figured most overlanders would not want to go much higher, so I think the argument about solid front axle being better for higher lifts is nullified.
Even the G-Class has IFS now! I have a fully independent vehicle that I have toured through much of Australia with terrain ranging from mountains, beaches, snow, mud, river crossings and even Australian highways! The vehicle has 230k on the clock and I have only replaced one driveshaft and that was only due to wear, it hadn't actually failed. Replace the bushes with a set of poly bushes and you're good to go!
@@TheRoadChoseMe I really wish Ford were bringing the Bronco to Australia. I love the Wrangler and especially that It has kept a hold of it's 4wd heritage, but as you say, It will be great for it to have a genuine competitor! Cheers for the vids mate!
Thanks for the video. But no comment on quality or reliability? I’m not sure how well you have done. But in Australia we have all but stopping buying Jeeps as they are known to regularly fail. The Ford T6 platform (Australian engineering) has a reasonably good reputation. Just wish we could get the new Bronco here 😕
I’m keeping my Jeep JL and have reserved a 2-door Bronco. The Bronco will be my year-round top off weekend ride to the beach. Jeep will be more of an overlander long-trip vehicle. BOTH are excellent!
I'm still looking forward to the Grenadier, but the Bronco is definitely appealing to me. I still think the ideal is the Earthcruiser EXP, but they keep making it more expensive lol
The small engine is a weakness in terms of long term reliability. Id like to see a solid 6 cylinder or diesel option. But othewise, looks like a great option. Its good to see a 4wd in the marketplace. The thing is, not many 4wds, except the wranglers, have had much staying power (thinking here of the fj cruiser and xterras) . The reality is that the number of people that buy vehicles for the off road capability is a small percentage. Off roaders are probably better buying used and modifying to suit.
I think it's because companies keep missing the mark by utilizing IFS. Nobody that's into offRoading wants that. That was why I didn't buy an FJ and it's the reason I won't be buying a Bronco, even though it checks every other box on my list and looks better than the Wranger, it's a dealbreaker.
the Eco boost engine are much better beyond 2014 today my wife owns a 2017 ford mustang with the Eco boost and i said the same thing about the Turbo i was worried about it but it's actuly really good at low speed and High speed the Eco boost Turbos' Kick in around 1500 Rpms
Whether you love Ford or Jeep, I think you are dead on about the competition aspect between the two manufacturers and models. This competition should be a great boon to the consumer, and I can't wait to see what Jeep comes up with next to best the Bronco. If they have a pricing war, I'll be in heaven.
It’s great that we are being given another option. I use a full size Ram 1500 because I have a family of five and a Jeep just isn’t comfortable. Let’s see how the bronco does.
Love your perspective. American reviewers can't seem to avoid thinking of a weekend four wheeler when determining if the Bronco is a good overlander. I suspect the independent front suspension allows them to connect and disconnect the sway bar on the move. Something the wrangler can't do. Small payload and range are definate problems, even for overlanding in the intermountain west of the US.
The Wrangler Rubicon can connect and disconnect the swaybar on the move as long as it’s in 4 low. It has an electronic swaybar disconnect that just requires a button press to activate/deactivate. I do it all the time in mine.
@@dougd1185 I don't own one so I'll defer to your experience. Reviews of Wranglers state that you have to be on level ground before the sway bar will reconnect. Reviews of the Bronco state this condition is not necessary.
Doug Carr After you press the button you drive for a second and when the swaybar lines back up to the locked position, it locks. Even on uneven ground it will eventually lock itself as the suspension moves through its travel.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but I just want to add something anecdotal to counter your point about the low range torque for that turbocharged engine. I've owned the Ranger with the 2.3L engine for a year now, and I know it pretty well. You do notice turbo lag when you're on asphalt if it's hot outside; 95 degrees or more. Otherwise, it's hard to notice unless you really gas it, and you'll get thrown back in your seat a little bit after the turbo kicks in. You really feel that power lower in the rev range, and it tops off at around 4500 RPM whereas any naturally aspirated vehicle I've had will need to go much higher in the revs to produce that kind of power. Off-road, I've never had better low rev control than I do in this vehicle. I easily crawl over stuff in my stock Ranger on 31s that I see countless naturally aspirated vehicles struggle and spin tires on, even when their tires are better than mine. I never even feel that I need to engage low range unless I am legitimately rock crawling. You also said something about heat, and I've had no issues wheeling in the desert in the summer, however I'm sure that if I had a cooling system failure, the engine would overheat way faster than a naturally aspirated engine would in the same conditions. That's just physics. But that's just my two cents on a part that I have direct experience with. I don't know how many other 2019-2020 Ranger owners there are watching this who can weigh in.
Overlanding is not rock crawling. It's taking the road less traveled and exploring all that nature has to offer. For many. that may just be driving down a gravel road through the forest to a secluded campsite. As long as know your vehicle's limits and stay within them, you can go overlanding in a minivan.
You, Matt Scott and Scot Brady have convinced me payload is the single most important feature. I am looking hard at the Defender, but I'm concerned about reliability, Your thoughts? Second choice is a 4x4 Sprinter, third is the Gladiator
Defender is a bit hit and miss I think. Depends entirely on the year, miles, engine combination. The 110 with the 300tdi is an excellent choice for Africa.
Video idea: I am watching another overlander video talking about being wet, wet, wet. I am wondering how you handled things like Africa in the wet season. Does your popup stay pretty dry or dry out well even when you do close it up wet, or did you sleep in the jeep on those occasions? All in all, I would love to see a video on how you managed lots of wet.
Very interesting perspective. One place that may have missed the mark is you said that the Bronco has worse drivability at low RPMs. I feel that that is not an issue for the new Ecoboost lineup. The 2.7 produces max torque at 1000RPM which is way better than any naturally aspirated gasser, and the small turbos are said to have no turbo lag.
Oh wow, that's super interesting. Max torque at 1000rpm? That's insane for a turbo engine. I can't wait to see all the side-by-side driving comparison videos!
@@TheRoadChoseMe So does that mean the turbo will be operating anytime the engine is over 1000 rpm which is all the time except idling and going down hill?
The Bronco won't be out for a year so parts are going to be hard to come by. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Toyota pick up as an overland vehicle. I noticed that in most of your videos you can spot one but I can't recall seeing another Jeep
The insight and perspective of your channel is awesome! Really enjoy your vids! Thanks so much for sharing! I like the potential of the new Bronco but couldn't afford to buy on any time soon, so a good used 4x4 is the rig I'll be taking where ever road takes me. Trying to decide between building up my 2008 4x4 crew can long bed Nissan Frontier or my 1994 4x4 Chevy Suburban 6.5 Diesel for a Pan American Trip. Any thoughts on which one would be the better choice in your opinion? I know of course that's its probably doable in either vehicle.
As you said both will work. What kind of mileage do they both get? Where will you sleep, eat and cook in each setup? Do you want more space for comfort, or are you happy keeping it super-simple and light? It's a personal choice more than a "one is better" type of thing.
@@TheRoadChoseMe got it thanks for the insight! I guess I was thinking maybe weight difference. And the ability to sleep in the vehicle vs out of it in the case of the truck. Maybe a vid on your thoughts of being able to sleep in the vehicle vs on it or out of it when and the adv/disadv of the setups for overland. Funnily both vehicles get similar gas mileage (15-20 mpg un kitted) because the suburban is a diesel, and they both have similar wheel bases and vehicle length and width. Ground clearance and usable cargo capacity is also similar though the suburban can tow more weight.
I agree with a lot of what you said. The Wrangler has a huge advantage having the diesel, solid front axles, and the possibility of a V8 coming. In my opinion, those are the 2 biggest disappointments with the Bronco.
Brandon Coe Unfortunately no sale of the V8 will be possible in the Jeep because even though it fits in perfectly as demonstrated in the aftermarket, it would leave no crushable room in a collision and never pass the strict crash safety requirements. FCA said so themselves they can’t do it even though it is physically not a problem and there is a market for it.
the prices for Jeep in Europe are absolutely insane that is why they are very rare in Europe. A wrangler 4 door the basic one is starting at 50k euro, about 58 K U.S $ ... At this kind of money you get a very nice luxury Landcruiser Prado that also has a much more impressive paylod. and more interior space, and it does not rain inside of it. If Bronco will be priced the same in Europe, it will fail here like the jeep wrangler did. The 2 door wrangler does not make any sense because here you can get the Suzuki Jimny for half price.
@@joetz1 I don't think so. Cars in Europe are in general a bit more expensive than in US. Not all cars for sale in Europe are made here, just like US, and still they are comparable in prices with the rest of the market . For example, all the other so called Jeeps like Renegade or what ever else that FCA sells here are more or less the same price as the rest.
The 2.3L Ecoboost in the Bronco has way more torque through it's whole Rev range then the 3.6L Pentastar, including down low! It runs 0-60, 1.4 seconds faster in the Ranger then the Gladiator does with it's V6, and it gets better fuel economy. It is also more adaptable to tune and does not lose power at elevation the way NA engines do.
I really really hope it's available in Right Hand Drive but then they will stuff the 2.0l Bi-Turbo Diesel in it then. Would really love to have one in South Africa and Australia.
I do think the payload rating and roof rack payload rating are issues and would probably push you to a pop-up instead of a RTT. The on-road manners of the Bronco will almost certainly destroy the Wrangler in ride comfort, acceleration, speed, steering. If Ford announced a Bronco pickup or a Ranger with some of the Bronco's goodies I'd be very interested. As it stands, I'm looking to purchase a Gladiator Rubicon, my first Jeep. But I love the Bronco styling and I imagine the power train on it will be very good.
Great review. For Africa I will stick to a Landcruiser. Parts availability, payload, diesel option, solid front axel and reliability. Comments from Cape Town South Africa.
New Bronco looks really nice, but I never buy a new vehicle the first couple of years of release, so unfortunately for me, I probably won't be looking to get one. But with everything that's going on, I am waiting before buying an new vehicle. Was looking at the 4runner but now gonna wait a bit.
The 2.7L V6 runs fairly small turbos that spool up pretty quickly off idle. The torque curve on it looks pretty impressive (wide and flat) compared to the 3.6L in the Wrangler/Gladiator.
Great review of the new Bronco, and some excellent insight into what could make it even better. Ford has obviously thought this one out very well. On a different topic, what is the shirt you're wearing in this video, and where are they available?
What is your opinion on the Bronco’s 35” tires for over landing? In another video you’ve taked about how rare 35” tires are globally. Would you personally take a Bronco with 35” tires and it’s front axle? (Curious on your opinion. I loved your Jeep build)
I never clued into the point of the Broncos numbers are based on 35's ... and if Jeep did the same with 35's it match or beat it. Good point there. I think it's a wait and see game. Like you said, it's all "Marketing Numbers" but it's when the average folk get their hands on em, and put it through its paces, that we REALLY find out about build quality. Great on paper, but how will parts and pieces stand up. Say compared to your Jeep. All those years, all those miles ... how did it withstand such punishment? How many things broke ... besides the usual wear and tare parts.
@@TheRoadChoseMe Ya, that seems to be the case when I watch all you guys in Jeeps... they just go and go, considering many spend ALOT of their time off pavement. Guess we will have to see if the Bronco can live up to THAT! ... we have 3 Jeeps and a Suzuki Sidekick ... all modified... in our household. Always get us home.
IFS is totally fine for overlanding. Solid axles come to the fore really on extreme tracks but overlanding doesn’t really place that demand. That said, there are IFS rigs out there that can handle the more extreme stuff.
I think ultimately though, the solid axle will be superior to IFS even for overlanding just from a durability standpoint. If you are out in the middle of nowhere, you don't want to be worrying about ball joints and weak steering components and CVs. I mean look how popular the 80 series still is in the US, I believe mostly because it still has a solid front axle.
I'm amazed the Toyota 70 series is not available in the US. I have a twin cab version and ii's amazing for long trips cross country on rough roads. having said that I still have my TJ Jeep Wrangler that I love, just cant carry much in it
How are you liking your Ursa Minor RTT. I'm thinking about getting one. With my current setup, my Jeep really feels top heavy, I'm wondering if you have the same situation
The Ursa Minor has been perfect - it's at least 1000 times better than an RTT. No comparison. It only adds 160lbs over the stock hard top, so it does not feel top heavy.
@@TheRoadChoseMe I have a couple, not sure if you have any experience with them though. I'm going to start heading north (I live in southern Ontario) and explore some forestry roads in the middle of nowhere next year. Any general thoughts on that type of thing would be great. Another thing is this - how do you handle situations etc. when you truly are in the middle of nowhere and break down? Contingency plans etc. for such things would be a great topic. Thanks again.
I have a Ram 2500 4x4 stock. Wonder how that would measure up? I’m going to improve the suspension etc. but it is big and heavy..the Bronco is appealing but some of your points about capacities were noted.
I fully agree with 3 major points : FORD ! Add an optional, OEM engineered, bullet proof extra fuel tank. Load capability. I mean c'mon Ford (and I've bought plenty of new Fords and one Jeep) ...up the load carrying capability. Tiny turbocharged, highly stressed 4 banger engines are a turn off. I flat plain old don't like little, high pressure red hots. I love the Bronco from all I know about them so far except I dislike little turbo gasbags so much I might not buy one. If Broncos came with real engines my mind would already have been made up instantly. I understand that Ford only has it's corporate engines to choose from but no optional extra fuel tank means no excuse and same goes for the light payload. Shame because Ford dealerships are far better from Calif to Texas to Kansas City than any Chrysler service dep't in my life's experience. Ford should address at least the fuel capacity and payload. The engines ... oh well.
What is described in the video is a VERY narrow usage (50k miles journeys across the 3rd world), where the simplicity of the Jeep could outweigh the otherwise dominating benefits of the Bronco, and even he believes it is a real debate. But for the 99%ers who aren't the most extreme of the rock crawlers or putting tens of thousands of miles across desolate lands, the choice isn't even close. For me, the best of all worlds would be a new North American Ranger Raptor with an NA Coyote motor. I love my V8 Raptor, but I generally don't need all the room and size, and I could certainly make use of greater fuel efficiency. And the Ranger would have better payload and the simpler motor over the Bronco.
Fair enough - I was just reviewing it from one particular point of view (long term expeditions). Obviously many people will find it good for other uses.
right on... great points. IFS, and No Diesel was a turn off for me. But Ford is a world leader in Trucks and SUV's... maybe there no need for live axles and diesel
love the new Bronco..and I am not a Ford fan at all. As a matter of I hate everything Ford but damn this new Bronco may actually be a potential sale for me. If the reliability is better than the Jeep then definitely but time will tell.
Thanks for this review. Although I am not at all interested in the Bronco, I agree that only good things can come of it for the Overlanding market, all the way from the weekend warriors to the world expedition needs. I am on a Chevrolet Colorado ZR2, and target the weekend to month-long type trips. For me, there are very few vehicles that can even come close to the road manners of the ZR2 and still hold their own on the trails.
Ford has let me down several times over the years. I drive a 4Runner atm and have had no problems at all. I wish they would bring the 70 series to the us.
I have watched many reviews for the upcoming Bronco and this was the best no nonsense review from a long term expedition perspective. Well done.
I appreciate that!
I’m not a Ford fan. I own four Toyota’s but I’m really excited to see what Ford brings to the market. This will force Toyota and Jeep to step up their game. I can’t wait!
Specially toyota !! they are WAY behind the curve they need to step up or left behind
Jeep will just add Hemi's and then Bronco will respond with the Coyote in two years and that's it... but Toyota- Toyota could really take some notes and do something big.
I am holding my excitement and keep dreaming Toyota bring back the FJ cruiser but better or something similar but better
Maybe a new FJ Cruiser. Maybe just a new FJ altogether. They will probably use an FJ Cruiser
@@yepitsme431 Toyota has 4runnner TRD Pro.
Allowing the off road package on a base is golden. I wish Jeep would do that. If they would make the rubicon only the off road stuff that would be premium for those of us who like keeping it simple. I think it’s just a way to upsell the buyers and I hope that ford sells enough broncos to make FCA rethink there way they sell the packages.
I don't realy care about the Bronco, but I can't stop watching, because the amount of usefull information in your videos is absolutely fantsatic. I'm very interested in your thoughts on the Ineos Grenadier.
haha, thanks!
The Grenadier looks exactly like what I would design and build if I was king for a day (and talented!)
I love the idea, I'm afraid of the price!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Oh man ya. The price. I'm willing to bet $150k is the baseline for that. But man does it look nice!
@@Millsy.g base price is 42k
@@TheRoadChoseMe Also serviceability and reliability, but the Grenadier may be well engineered for overlanding, hoping for the best.
@@roon101k6 in their dreams maybe...
that locker on a base model option is what the industry needed.. the people using lockers dont want to spend 20k on fancy seats and painted fenders ect and the people buying the top model with all those luxuries wont use the lockers.. a base model at msrp plus a few grand for the factory lockers and possibly a tire upgrade would be ideal for offroaders, overlanders and general adventurers
I agree 10,000 times over! I really, really hope this pushes Jeep (and more brands) do offer the same kind of "mix and match" packages so we can each get what best suits out needs!
Exactly right. I've been saying that for years. You get all the off road goodies in a car you wouldn't want to take off road. The only one I've found that does it right was the poverty pack 5 seat Mitsubishi Pajero. It came with a rear locker.
It is very interesting and you right but IMO... :)
- Payload is sth that is directly dependent on suspension. For many 4x4s one can find "heavy-duty" shocks and springs with +100 or +200 kg. Ladder frame can bear that load, no problem. Some pickup trucks have two options: springs or leafs at rear and different load capacity. Tip: Upgrading suspension for more payload you should remember upgrade tires too (if necessary).
- IFS is weaker but we are talking extreme situations. Wrangler Dana front solid axles have "delicate" joints (compared to knuckle balls) especially on mud (I dont know, the guy who drive its second or third Jeep say so) and are not so longstanding. For most overlanders IFS should be enough, but of course solid axles are considered bulletproof and no doubt heavy duty, even Wrangler Danas - if you maintain them properly. So yes, if you drive through western Africa solids are much better.
- Additional fuel tank is an factory or aftermarket option for many off-road vehicles. It is not a big problem. I suppose aftermarket for Bronco will be huge.
Most Bronco owners will stick to North America, a few hundreds will overland to South America, another few hundreds will be privately imported to Europe. (I wish Aussie to get Bronco) So is it really need solid front? I am not sure about that. Raptors showed IFS can be strong as hell. :) Cheers
So much expertise and knowledge in such a short amount of time! Amazing.
Wow, thank you!
Thank you sir! accurate, not misleading information is a scarce commodity these days. Admire your expeditions!
Solid solid axles have 3 advantages.
1. Constant ground clearance under the axle, not going to bottom out on the engine bay skid plate.
2. Relatively cheaper/easier articulation upgrades and more articulation potential.
3. Robustness when hit, robustness under torque and untorqueing(time will tell about the new wave Bronco).
But for mild off-roading done in overlanding(not including moderate to serious off-roading + overlanding) soild axles are not necessary . But I would still prefer to have solid axles front and rear and don't mind having a slightly less refined ride.
Agree 100%! I drive a late-model Toyota 4Runner, and the IFS is something that I don't really care too much for. It has a decent on road ride, but it seems like it's somewhat fragile, and it doesn't seem to really offer any ground clearance advantage. It is however definitely more complicated and expensive to lift, without offering any additional wheel travel.
@Benoit Venne I will wait for objective reviews with the same tire pressures and competent drivers. If a Badlands with the Sasquach package with 35's is being tested, then to be fair a 2 inch MOPAR lift and equal tires(315/70r17 KM3) must be fitted to a JL Wrangler Rubicon.
This is the best analysis comparing the JL (and others) to the Bronco I have seen so far. Looked beyond the numbers and hype, and really thought about where the stats come from, and what they mean to overlanders.
5:18 I actually think you might look differently at this if you get to drive one. Modern turbocharged engines can actually make peak torque much earlier in the rev range than their naturally aspirated counterparts with bigger displacement. Twin scroll exhaust housings, electronic boost control, direct or multi-point injection all make it possible to all but eliminate turbo lag found in older turbo vehicles.
A few people have informed me of that, and I'm very, very interested to find out!
The Road Chose Me
very much looking forward to your thoughts
Still more complex then a NA engine. Turbos aren’t known for long term durability.
Jeremy Rhodes while I strongly disagree that they are not known for long-term durability, (the vehicles designed for the highest mileage, semi-trucks, are all turbocharged along with countless other examples of reliable turbo engines from various manufacturers who didn’t cheap out) I definitely see the point of avoiding complexity. You don’t want to blow a charge pipe in the middle of the desert and suck up a bunch of sand, etc. I think the best counter-argument was made in the video: 1) Turbocharged engines can act volatile when using poor fuel and 2) they produce extra heat, which is the enemy in an overlanding situation.
@@lexus_offroad_adventures Good points Daniel G🏅
Many people get overlanding and off-roading mixed up... I just cannot imagine taking a Ford outside off North America... I’m always blown away that Dan is killin’ it with a Jeep!! But that Wrangler is a solid rig!!
I agree that jeep needs to work on it's factory packaging. And I cannot agree more that prices need to come WAY down.
20,000 dollars down for the premium
Doesn't look like Ford has any intention to significantly under price Jeep 🤔
@@eugeneenslow8563 they all should though. Vehicles are as expensive as some houses now.
The trade off of complexity with IFS is your on road ride and performance will be much better. I’d think a lot of overlanding is on hardened surfaces. The torque in the low end of the eco boost is way better than its naturally aspirated competitors. Good review I like it.
As far as Jeeps, there off roading options, and offering them at a lower trim level, the Rubicon can already be bought with the lower trim spec. They already have cloth seats, a soft top, and the smaller infotainment system, stock. The only things that aren’t add ons are AC and power locks/windows. The fact that most wranglers rolling around today are fully specked out is just a function of customer demand and what the dealers push.
As far as actually adding in the features at a “lower” trim level, the limiting factor seems to be the Dana 30’s that are standard in the front end. Jeep doesn’t make lockers for them and might not because they may be too weak to handle the loads. This may also play into not being willing to throw the bigger tires on the lower trims, as well; axle is too weak. This is essentially true if you’re going up over 34 inches on those in the front. The amount of work needed to make those Dana 30 maybe handle 35” tires it usually just makes more sense to grab a junk yard 40 and swap them.
The only things Jeep could really offer is an optional rear locker option over the LSD and the lower range transfer case like in the Rubicons. Although, I’m not sure how necessary that even is. With open diffs (I drive a rubicon with the lowest trim level) and a working brake lock differential system I am very hard pressed to get the vehicle stuck anyway, add in a proper LSD in the rear, and I think anything that would warrant a rear locker would be easy concurred especially if driven with an eye to keeping up momentum. The only exception I see to this is sand driving, constantly needing to use the LSD and Brake Lock Differential may cause overheating issues; just locking it and going would obviously be better in this case. The lower range t-case? Do you even need it if you’re not doing the serious rock crawling? Sure it’s nice for easier low speed wheeling and dragging stuff around at the farm, but if you’re already driving this thing to conserve momentum, on account of the LSD, why does it matter?
I’m just not sure it really makes any sense offering these features to the people who probably wouldn’t use them anyway. (And that’s saying nothing about the people who do buy them and still don’t uses the in the Rubicon). Me personally, might spec my sport with a locker and lower t-case, but I know that I’m one of the few people out there that does wheel his Jeep and also knows I don’t need the Rubicon package to do what I do (mostly logging trails) the only times I felt I needed the lockers was in deep snow, that I probably shouldn’t have been in anyways. I’ve gotten stuck as many times in that same snow and had to dig out. A a shovel and cheap set of off brand Mac Trax are what saved my bacon in those situations anyways.
The points you made about the Turbo and the load capabilities are very valid. I think we won’t know for bout a year until we get some real world feedback from “field testing”, same as with the reliability of the IFS. Good thing is that the engine and transmission are proven and there should be plenty of parts available for those as they are common to the F150. I have a 4-door first Edition reserved and do plan on taking it out on some long weekend trips. Thanks for your great insights
Yes , people ask your opinion because it is non biased common sense.
There is no substitute for experience!
Always enjoyable video.
Well done.
Competition improves the breed. The Bronco will make Jeep better.
As a Ford fan I'm glad to hear you think the Bronco will provide real competition.
You may want to look into Ford Ecoboost engine performance. These motors are defined by instant low end torque. Boost lag is a thing of the past. They pull like diesels. Having said that, the Bronco is immediately out of the running as an overlander due to low payload and fuel range. It's a local hero, a UTV for people who want more comfort.
The ecoBoost lineup it's been refined over time, the first gen had some issues but were addressed right away since it was meant for the top seller F-150.
Not necessarily. It depends on how much shit you believe is necessary to lug along with you
Dan, as usual your unique and practical observations add insight and value to the Bronco vs. Wrangler discussion. Great segment and looking for more to come. stay safe and wheel on!
Thanks, will do!
When you mentioned the torque peak of the turbocharged engine, yes typically performance cars are tuned to make the torque higher in the RPM range. However turbo motors can be tuned to make it lower in the RPM range. I think that's why the 2.7 performs so well in the F-150, it actually has a very good low-end torque curve. My turbo Volvo 2.5L 5 cylinder actually hits its torque peak of 236ft lbs at 1900 RPM, and feels much more powerful than the 4 liter V6 in my 2013 4Runner, which doesn't hit its torque peak of 280 till about 4500 RPM. When I hit the gas at low RPM in the 4Runner, it's very sluggish and it feels like there's nothing there. The vehicle doesn't really start to accelerate until I climb past 3500 RPM.
The turbo engine is actually one of the things I'm most excited about in the Bronco. After driving a high-torque turbo motor, and a low torque naturally aspirated V6, I would much rather have the turbo.
I few people have mentioned the 2.7 actually reaches peak torque at 1000rpm, which is extremely, extremely impressive. Maybe I need to stand corrected on that point, it seems I was wrong.
I can't wait for people to start driving these things off road so we get real world details!
@@TheRoadChoseMe it's a common misconception, and I think in the early days of turbo motors it was very true. Even now, with things like wrx's and evos I think they're like that, very peaky. The other thing that people say is that turbos are very unreliable on higher mileage, however my Volvo has 224,000 miles and has not had any turbo issues.
I have a ranger with the 2.3 turbo that is to be the base engine of the Bronco, and I can say even coming from a jeep 4.0, low end grunt isn't lacking! Modern twin scroll designs have really tackled that problem. Heat soak may become an issue in hotter countries though, but I can't say I'm all too knowledgeable about how turbos do in hot climates! High altitudes, turbo is king though.
The Bronco certainly passes the eye test, very sharp looking vehicle. Alaska to Argentina, impressive. I wonder if anyone has ever backpacked it.
Many thousands have!
Fantastic insights Dan. Thanks for doing the video. Hopefully aftermarket will come up with a bigger fuel tank. The IFS is the most concerning to me. As usual your knowledge is the best on RUclips for all things long haul ! Thanks Dan for the great videos. Keep it going!
Fingers crossed!
Great content again. Perhaps Ursa Minor should sponsor a Bronco build for you. 3rd party should help with payload concerns.
Spectacular review. Thank you so much for lending your expertise to this topic.
Thanks for the info! I like the point you made about how this is going to drive more competition between Jeep and Ford. Hopefully we get to see some great innovation with the aftermarket companies as well.
I'm sure there's talks about bringing the diesel engine to the Bronco, since they already have one that matches the same transmission in the F-150 and will sure provide a better range of around 600km with an 18 gallon tank. The IFS isn't a deal breaker for me since I'm not into extreme trails and if they designed the thing right then it will be capable and having driven a D-max and a Frontier 2018 both diesels with IFS on rough terrain I can tell you that the ride quality it's so damn good.
Some excellent points. Especially about the turbo. They used to offer a reg v8 in their f150 that was the choice of 95% of seasoned Ford mechanics. I believe that it's been or being phased out.
I feel like there is a huge gap in this market for a much more base model with solid axles, decent payload and minimal electronics in the right sized package. With backup cams being law perhaps even integrating that into the rear view mirror and ditching the screens if legal would be nice. Manual transmissions etc etc...
As someone who has been shopping for an overland vehicle in NA for quite awhile now. There is almost nothing other than Jeep with solid axles. Trucks are often too big and don't offer much more payload if any unless moving into Heavy duties.
It's nice that the Bronco has stirred up so much interest in this category regardless of its flaws. Shows this category is seriously neglected by anyone who wants to challenge Jeep.
Agree 100% Hopefully the bronco being offered as "pick your options" will make Jeep do the same, you will be able to get a very stripped out base model with lockers, etc.
I can’t wait to see that Ursa pop-up on the Bronco!
Exactly. They have some very exciting things in the works!
love what you are doing from kenya nairobi
Really great analysis! And straight to sensitive points! Good Job 👍
I agree with your excellent analysis of the new Bronco.
Another amazing video. Keep up the good work. Would you made a video on the new defender.
U can get 35" tires from the factory and the corresponding benefits of this, including approach, departure and break angles as well as overall clearance. I know alot of overlanders have criticized Americans for going crazy with the lifts and lifting them to ridiculous levels and it's true but if you have 35's and mild lift , I figured most overlanders would not want to go much higher, so I think the argument about solid front axle being better for higher lifts is nullified.
That may well be the case - I'm excited for when people can start driving them and we get real-world answers!
@@TheRoadChoseMe great review though. Very thoughtful and detailed. Thanks for taking the time to do make it for us.
More great insights! Thank you 😊. Yes, more discussions on what you have chosen and will choose, and why, please.
You got it!
Bronco will never steal jeepers hearts
lies
Nice Giant Reign behind you🙃👍
Excellent job, bronco looks great
Even the G-Class has IFS now! I have a fully independent vehicle that I have toured through much of Australia with terrain ranging from mountains, beaches, snow, mud, river crossings and even Australian highways! The vehicle has 230k on the clock and I have only replaced one driveshaft and that was only due to wear, it hadn't actually failed. Replace the bushes with a set of poly bushes and you're good to go!
Good to know!
@@TheRoadChoseMe I really wish Ford were bringing the Bronco to Australia. I love the Wrangler and especially that It has kept a hold of it's 4wd heritage, but as you say, It will be great for it to have a genuine competitor!
Cheers for the vids mate!
RUclips served me a Jeep ad with this video 😂 Great content, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. But no comment on quality or reliability? I’m not sure how well you have done. But in Australia we have all but stopping buying Jeeps as they are known to regularly fail. The Ford T6 platform (Australian engineering) has a reasonably good reputation. Just wish we could get the new Bronco here 😕
I’m keeping my Jeep JL and have reserved a 2-door Bronco. The Bronco will be my year-round top off weekend ride to the beach. Jeep will be more of an overlander long-trip vehicle. BOTH are excellent!
I'll be very interested to hear how the two compare!
I'm still looking forward to the Grenadier, but the Bronco is definitely appealing to me. I still think the ideal is the Earthcruiser EXP, but they keep making it more expensive lol
wow thank you! this video was really helpful
The small engine is a weakness in terms of long term reliability. Id like to see a solid 6 cylinder or diesel option. But othewise, looks like a great option. Its good to see a 4wd in the marketplace. The thing is, not many 4wds, except the wranglers, have had much staying power (thinking here of the fj cruiser and xterras) . The reality is that the number of people that buy vehicles for the off road capability is a small percentage. Off roaders are probably better buying used and modifying to suit.
I think it's because companies keep missing the mark by utilizing IFS. Nobody that's into offRoading wants that. That was why I didn't buy an FJ and it's the reason I won't be buying a Bronco, even though it checks every other box on my list and looks better than the Wranger, it's a dealbreaker.
the Eco boost engine are much better beyond 2014 today my wife owns a 2017 ford mustang with the Eco boost and i said the same thing about the Turbo i was worried about it but it's actuly really good at low speed and High speed the Eco boost Turbos' Kick in around 1500 Rpms
Whether you love Ford or Jeep, I think you are dead on about the competition aspect between the two manufacturers and models. This competition should be a great boon to the consumer, and I can't wait to see what Jeep comes up with next to best the Bronco. If they have a pricing war, I'll be in heaven.
Me too!
It’s great that we are being given another option. I use a full size Ram 1500 because I have a family of five and a Jeep just isn’t comfortable. Let’s see how the bronco does.
Love your perspective. American reviewers can't seem to avoid thinking of a weekend four wheeler when determining if the Bronco is a good overlander. I suspect the independent front suspension allows them to connect and disconnect the sway bar on the move. Something the wrangler can't do. Small payload and range are definate problems, even for overlanding in the intermountain west of the US.
Doug Carr another antiAmerican bullshit comment. M diesel wrangler was an awesome long term off grid vehicle for me . Not just a weekend getaway toy .
The Wrangler Rubicon can connect and disconnect the swaybar on the move as long as it’s in 4 low. It has an electronic swaybar disconnect that just requires a button press to activate/deactivate. I do it all the time in mine.
@@dougd1185 I don't own one so I'll defer to your experience. Reviews of Wranglers state that you have to be on level ground before the sway bar will reconnect. Reviews of the Bronco state this condition is not necessary.
Doug Carr After you press the button you drive for a second and when the swaybar lines back up to the locked position, it locks. Even on uneven ground it will eventually lock itself as the suspension moves through its travel.
I agree with you, but I'm not into long term overlanding so I think the Bronco will be really good for me and others of like mind.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but I just want to add something anecdotal to counter your point about the low range torque for that turbocharged engine. I've owned the Ranger with the 2.3L engine for a year now, and I know it pretty well. You do notice turbo lag when you're on asphalt if it's hot outside; 95 degrees or more. Otherwise, it's hard to notice unless you really gas it, and you'll get thrown back in your seat a little bit after the turbo kicks in. You really feel that power lower in the rev range, and it tops off at around 4500 RPM whereas any naturally aspirated vehicle I've had will need to go much higher in the revs to produce that kind of power. Off-road, I've never had better low rev control than I do in this vehicle. I easily crawl over stuff in my stock Ranger on 31s that I see countless naturally aspirated vehicles struggle and spin tires on, even when their tires are better than mine. I never even feel that I need to engage low range unless I am legitimately rock crawling. You also said something about heat, and I've had no issues wheeling in the desert in the summer, however I'm sure that if I had a cooling system failure, the engine would overheat way faster than a naturally aspirated engine would in the same conditions. That's just physics.
But that's just my two cents on a part that I have direct experience with. I don't know how many other 2019-2020 Ranger owners there are watching this who can weigh in.
Hopfully Ford tested Bronco with 100% capacity towing/payload at slow speeds up long steep hills is rapid secession.
Rangers FTW.
I subbed just because of all the driving around you’ve done !
Cheers! Let me know if there's a specific topic you'd like me to cover!
Love the Bronco. My preorder is in. My old jeep is not going anywhere unless my son steals it. Ford nailed it with this one IMHO.
Overlanding is not rock crawling. It's taking the road less traveled and exploring all that nature has to offer. For many. that may just be driving down a gravel road through the forest to a secluded campsite. As long as know your vehicle's limits and stay within them, you can go overlanding in a minivan.
Absolutely correct!
You, Matt Scott and Scot Brady have convinced me payload is the single most important feature. I am looking hard at the Defender, but I'm concerned about reliability, Your thoughts? Second choice is a 4x4 Sprinter, third is the Gladiator
Defender is a bit hit and miss I think. Depends entirely on the year, miles, engine combination.
The 110 with the 300tdi is an excellent choice for Africa.
Video idea: I am watching another overlander video talking about being wet, wet, wet. I am wondering how you handled things like Africa in the wet season. Does your popup stay pretty dry or dry out well even when you do close it up wet, or did you sleep in the jeep on those occasions? All in all, I would love to see a video on how you managed lots of wet.
Thanks for the suggestion Sam, absolutely I'll add that to my list!
I seen somewhere where it was around 14 and 16 gallons for fuel cells 2-4 door respectively.
First video i watched and you have a new sub. Good content and it does not hurt that you are a fellow mountain biker. I see your baby back there.
Welcome aboard! And yep, I just bought that a couple of weeks ago !
Fantastic outlook, totally different angle of thought process that the ford marketing pplz won’t tell you.
Nicely done! But i stay with jeep for life.
Very interesting perspective. One place that may have missed the mark is you said that the Bronco has worse drivability at low RPMs. I feel that that is not an issue for the new Ecoboost lineup. The 2.7 produces max torque at 1000RPM which is way better than any naturally aspirated gasser, and the small turbos are said to have no turbo lag.
Oh wow, that's super interesting. Max torque at 1000rpm? That's insane for a turbo engine. I can't wait to see all the side-by-side driving comparison videos!
@@TheRoadChoseMe So does that mean the turbo will be operating anytime the engine is over 1000 rpm which is all the time except idling and going down hill?
I assume so, yes.
The Bronco won't be out for a year so parts are going to be hard to come by. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Toyota pick up as an overland vehicle. I noticed that in most of your videos you can spot one but I can't recall seeing another Jeep
A Wrangler sport with lockers! Been waiting 15 years for that, maybe they'll actually do it now.
I know right! Also keeping my fingers crossed for a "high payload" and "high tow" version using the engineering from the military J8 program!
The insight and perspective of your channel is awesome! Really enjoy your vids! Thanks so much for sharing! I like the potential of the new Bronco but couldn't afford to buy on any time soon, so a good used 4x4 is the rig I'll be taking where ever road takes me. Trying to decide between building up my 2008 4x4 crew can long bed Nissan Frontier or my 1994 4x4 Chevy Suburban 6.5 Diesel for a Pan American Trip. Any thoughts on which one would be the better choice in your opinion? I know of course that's its probably doable in either vehicle.
As you said both will work. What kind of mileage do they both get? Where will you sleep, eat and cook in each setup? Do you want more space for comfort, or are you happy keeping it super-simple and light? It's a personal choice more than a "one is better" type of thing.
@@TheRoadChoseMe got it thanks for the insight! I guess I was thinking maybe weight difference. And the ability to sleep in the vehicle vs out of it in the case of the truck. Maybe a vid on your thoughts of being able to sleep in the vehicle vs on it or out of it when and the
adv/disadv of the setups for overland. Funnily both vehicles get similar gas mileage (15-20 mpg un kitted) because the suburban is a diesel, and they both have similar wheel bases and vehicle length and width. Ground clearance and usable cargo capacity is also similar though the suburban can tow more weight.
The diesel Suburban sounds like a ton of fun to overland.
Colorado ZR2 or Bison diesel are underrated offroad vehicles
I agree with a lot of what you said. The Wrangler has a huge advantage having the diesel, solid front axles, and the possibility of a V8 coming. In my opinion, those are the 2 biggest disappointments with the Bronco.
Brandon Coe Unfortunately no sale of the V8 will be possible in the Jeep because even though it fits in perfectly as demonstrated in the aftermarket, it would leave no crushable room in a collision and never pass the strict crash safety requirements. FCA said so themselves they can’t do it even though it is physically not a problem and there is a market for it.
What do you think about the Toyota fj cruser manual version
the prices for Jeep in Europe are absolutely insane that is why they are very rare in Europe. A wrangler 4 door the basic one is starting at 50k euro, about 58 K U.S $
... At this kind of money you get a very nice luxury Landcruiser Prado that also has a much more impressive paylod. and more interior space, and it does not rain inside of it.
If Bronco will be priced the same in Europe, it will fail here like the jeep wrangler did. The 2 door wrangler does not make any sense because here you can get the Suzuki Jimny for half price.
The prices for Jeeps outside North America is kind of insane.
Why is the pricing so unreasonable? Is it because of tariffs?
@@joetz1 I don't think so. Cars in Europe are in general a bit more expensive than in US. Not all cars for sale in Europe are made here, just like US, and still they are comparable in prices with the rest of the market . For example, all the other so called Jeeps like Renegade or what ever else that FCA sells here are more or less the same price as the rest.
leeloo21231234 my understanding was that Europe puts a twenty percent tariff on imported cars and a twenty percent VAT on top of the tariff
My Hilux is made in Thailand and it is 34k euro. All BMW X 3 and X5 come from US and they don't have higher prices than other BMW's made in Europe.
The 2.3L Ecoboost in the Bronco has way more torque through it's whole Rev range then the 3.6L Pentastar, including down low! It runs 0-60, 1.4 seconds faster in the Ranger then the Gladiator does with it's V6, and it gets better fuel economy. It is also more adaptable to tune and does not lose power at elevation the way NA engines do.
I really really hope it's available in Right Hand Drive but then they will stuff the 2.0l Bi-Turbo Diesel in it then. Would really love to have one in South Africa and Australia.
Ford have said it will NOT be made in RHD :(
I do think the payload rating and roof rack payload rating are issues and would probably push you to a pop-up instead of a RTT. The on-road manners of the Bronco will almost certainly destroy the Wrangler in ride comfort, acceleration, speed, steering. If Ford announced a Bronco pickup or a Ranger with some of the Bronco's goodies I'd be very interested. As it stands, I'm looking to purchase a Gladiator Rubicon, my first Jeep. But I love the Bronco styling and I imagine the power train on it will be very good.
Good video! Keep the opinion videos coming
That's the plan!
Great review. For Africa I will stick to a Landcruiser. Parts availability, payload, diesel option, solid front axel and reliability. Comments from Cape Town South Africa.
New Bronco looks really nice, but I never buy a new vehicle the first couple of years of release, so unfortunately for me, I probably won't be looking to get one. But with everything that's going on, I am waiting before buying an new vehicle. Was looking at the 4runner but now gonna wait a bit.
The powertrains are not first year releases though, that makes a huge difference.
The 2.7L V6 runs fairly small turbos that spool up pretty quickly off idle. The torque curve on it looks pretty impressive (wide and flat) compared to the 3.6L in the Wrangler/Gladiator.
It's going to be extremely interesting to see all the side-by-side comparison videos!
Would like to hear your opinion of the Grendier. Please make a similar video for this car.
I hope so I have a reservation for 😎
Great review of the new Bronco, and some excellent insight into what could make it even better. Ford has obviously thought this one out very well. On a different topic, what is the shirt you're wearing in this video, and where are they available?
Well said! - it's just a generic shirt, I actually have no idea where I got it
I love your perspective on this!
Thank you!!
What is your opinion on the Bronco’s 35” tires for over landing? In another video you’ve taked about how rare 35” tires are globally. Would you personally take a Bronco with 35” tires and it’s front axle? (Curious on your opinion. I loved your Jeep build)
I personally wouldn't take any vehicle with 35 inch tires outside North America.
I never clued into the point of the Broncos numbers are based on 35's ... and if Jeep did the same with 35's it match or beat it. Good point there. I think it's a wait and see game. Like you said, it's all "Marketing Numbers" but it's when the average folk get their hands on em, and put it through its paces, that we REALLY find out about build quality. Great on paper, but how will parts and pieces stand up. Say compared to your Jeep. All those years, all those miles ... how did it withstand such punishment? How many things broke ... besides the usual wear and tare parts.
The Jeep never broke down once, never left me stranded! The perfect tool for the job!
@@TheRoadChoseMe Ya, that seems to be the case when I watch all you guys in Jeeps... they just go and go, considering many spend ALOT of their time off pavement. Guess we will have to see if the Bronco can live up to THAT! ... we have 3 Jeeps and a Suzuki Sidekick ... all modified... in our household. Always get us home.
IFS is totally fine for overlanding. Solid axles come to the fore really on extreme tracks but overlanding doesn’t really place that demand. That said, there are IFS rigs out there that can handle the more extreme stuff.
I think ultimately though, the solid axle will be superior to IFS even for overlanding just from a durability standpoint. If you are out in the middle of nowhere, you don't want to be worrying about ball joints and weak steering components and CVs.
I mean look how popular the 80 series still is in the US, I believe mostly because it still has a solid front axle.
Really enjoyed this video. Could you do some similar ones on other overland vehicles?
Sure, it seems people are very interested!
Ursa Minor does have a replacement roof (like yours) in the works for the Bronco!!
Yep, I got word just as I was editing the video! Thanks
Ok now this is exciting !!!
I'm amazed the Toyota 70 series is not available in the US. I have a twin cab version and ii's amazing for long trips cross country on rough roads. having said that I still have my TJ Jeep Wrangler that I love, just cant carry much in it
On the bronco? What trim level would you suggest for shorter term overland adventures?
How are you liking your Ursa Minor RTT. I'm thinking about getting one. With my current setup, my Jeep really feels top heavy, I'm wondering if you have the same situation
The Ursa Minor has been perfect - it's at least 1000 times better than an RTT. No comparison.
It only adds 160lbs over the stock hard top, so it does not feel top heavy.
Really enjoy your vids.
Glad you like them - thanks!
Don't hesitate to ask if there's a topic you'd like me to cover - I'd be happy to film an episode about it!
@@TheRoadChoseMe I have a couple, not sure if you have any experience with them though. I'm going to start heading north (I live in southern Ontario) and explore some forestry roads in the middle of nowhere next year. Any general thoughts on that type of thing would be great. Another thing is this - how do you handle situations etc. when you truly are in the middle of nowhere and break down? Contingency plans etc. for such things would be a great topic. Thanks again.
I have a Ram 2500 4x4 stock. Wonder how that would measure up? I’m going to improve the suspension etc. but it is big and heavy..the Bronco is appealing but some of your points about capacities were noted.
I fully agree with 3 major points : FORD ! Add an optional, OEM engineered, bullet proof extra fuel tank. Load capability. I mean c'mon Ford (and I've bought plenty of new Fords and one Jeep) ...up the load carrying capability. Tiny turbocharged, highly stressed 4 banger engines are a turn off. I flat plain old don't like little, high pressure red hots. I love the Bronco from all I know about them so far except I dislike little turbo gasbags so much I might not buy one. If Broncos came with real engines my mind would already have been made up instantly. I understand that Ford only has it's corporate engines to choose from but no optional extra fuel tank means no excuse and same goes for the light payload. Shame because Ford dealerships are far better from Calif to Texas to Kansas City than any Chrysler service dep't in my life's experience. Ford should address at least the fuel capacity and payload. The engines ... oh well.
Good work thanks
Please do a similar video on the Ineos Grenadier?
The Grenadier will end up being vaporware.
Also not enough info yet.
What is described in the video is a VERY narrow usage (50k miles journeys across the 3rd world), where the simplicity of the Jeep could outweigh the otherwise dominating benefits of the Bronco, and even he believes it is a real debate. But for the 99%ers who aren't the most extreme of the rock crawlers or putting tens of thousands of miles across desolate lands, the choice isn't even close.
For me, the best of all worlds would be a new North American Ranger Raptor with an NA Coyote motor. I love my V8 Raptor, but I generally don't need all the room and size, and I could certainly make use of greater fuel efficiency. And the Ranger would have better payload and the simpler motor over the Bronco.
Fair enough - I was just reviewing it from one particular point of view (long term expeditions).
Obviously many people will find it good for other uses.
Did anyone else get a jeep commercial with a jeep driving in a horse Pasteur with Broncos laying down. Lol
right on... great points. IFS, and No Diesel was a turn off for me. But Ford is a world leader in Trucks and SUV's... maybe there no need for live axles and diesel
Agree. More payload would be very nice, then it would be a real contender!
Bronco will be fun for Baja. For everything else, make mine Wrangler. A solid front axle swap for the Bronco will be out almost immediately.
love the new Bronco..and I am not a Ford fan at all. As a matter of I hate everything Ford but damn this new Bronco may actually be a potential sale for me. If the reliability is better than the Jeep then definitely but time will tell.
Great review
Thanks for this review. Although I am not at all interested in the Bronco, I agree that only good things can come of it for the Overlanding market, all the way from the weekend warriors to the world expedition needs. I am on a Chevrolet Colorado ZR2, and target the weekend to month-long type trips. For me, there are very few vehicles that can even come close to the road manners of the ZR2 and still hold their own on the trails.
Well said!
Ford has let me down several times over the years. I drive a 4Runner atm and have had no problems at all. I wish they would bring the 70 series to the us.