Reacting to Joe Lacob being fined $500K for comments on the NBA’s luxury tax system | NBA Today
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- Reacting to Joe Lacob being fined $500K for comments on the NBA’s luxury tax system | NBA Today
Brian Windhorst and Tim Bontemps react to Joe Lacob being fined $500K for publicly discussing collective bargaining talks.
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Been saying for a while now that drafted players salaries should have a smaller lux tax hit than traded players. Otherwise, you penalize orgs for actually paying attention, drafting smartly and developing young players. Smaller market teams might then be able to keep their draft picks, pay them and then have some money/cap space to try and get a free agent.
100% correct.
Facts
@Casey Pearce
I 100% agree
But this isn’t a new idea people have been saying this for years
They signed KD, not a drafted player and then traded for Kelly oubre to pay a $70 million fine, only then to trade for Andrew Wiggins. You Warriors fans need to stop crying
@@johnlinks tell me you didnt actually pay attention to what i said without telling me you didnt actually pay attention to what i said. one sec while I look back through this comment and see where I said they never traded for a player. I just wonder how much cap hit/lux tax Steph, Klay and Draymond take up. Just an FYI, they happened to draft those players, along with Poole who is also looking for a rather large extension.
Warriors have drafted and developed their players well and shouldnt be penalized for that! the NBA should give some discount tax rewards to those who do this right to encourage teams to do the same. As a fan, it's fun to see players grow and develop in one team rather than seeing players hop from one team to another.
Are they really penalized for it? Their fantastic drafting and development allows them to go way over the cap to resign most their team
@@alexescutia4805 they are lucky that they're in a wealthy area and able to cash in with a great new stadium which will take some time to pay off the debt
@@alexescutia4805 yes jacob said he will pay extra 200m
I mean the 4th max spot that they have (wigs) is not homegrown.
@@sevianusluciano325 yes and a few of them. Currently, majority of their players are drafted. NBA should just give a discount tax for players who are drafted by the team.
That’s exactly right, teams shouldn’t be heavily penalized for developing players THEY have drafted into stars with max contracts.
They are way over the salary cap. They want exceptions to go even more over the salary cap. That would kill the league instantly and would defeat the purpose of the salry cap and the luxury tax. Shouldn't be commenting if don't know the purpose of the luxury tax.
Lacob knows very well he is just hypocrite.
If he doesn't want to play by the rules he should quit or let others pay the luxury tax.
I get being fined for tampering. I get being fined for swearing on TV. I even get being fined for criticizing an individual within a professional context. But how do they justify fines for criticizing a rule? Like why?
So much for freedom of speech.
Lol these leagues like to silent their employees
Thats a hefty fine as well
@@earlthepearl6414 The reason is that the luxury tax will be a key component of the upcoming labor talks. Speaking publicly about those issues can be construed as negotiating before talks take place trying to win public opinion.
By the way, there have always been limits on free speech. It has never been exhaustive or even close. The free speech part of the constitution most specifically refers to being able to criticize a government leader without being thrown in jail as many other countries still do. Lord knows, there is no lack of criticizing the government in the United States.
@@dmichael100 Like I said, so much for free speech.
Lacob is 100% correct. I’m a pistons fan and i hope the last 3 drafts have created a real core. If the best case happens and cade, ivey and bey turn out to be very good to great players, and a couple others like duren, stewart or livers are 15-20mil guys. We will never be able to keep them once they truly become an experienced team.
Memphis will learn this soon. I think warriors should be able to pay poole without getting taxed to death. They developed him and stuck with him.
I think changing this would lead to better small market teams keeping their young talent
So they're saying warriors should draft players and train them and when they get better....just sell them to other teams so others can win the championship instead of keeping and paying them higher. Such a stupid way of thinking. Why isn't every team drafting and developing their players
That's exactly what they're saying and why Lacob said it was unfair. Cause he's right. Lacob wasn't fined for what he said; he was fined for having said anything public about the subject. The fine seems steep for an infraction like this, but these rich owner oligarchs can police themselves as stupidly as they want, so long as only they have to pay for it. I'd be annoyed tho if I were Lacob.
what are you talking about? The difference is other teams can't afford all of their players when it comes time for new contracts. Hard decisions are made. Warriors are playing by the rules but definitely have an advantage with revenue compared to small market teams.
@@stevenalaxbrown6015 Joe wake up is even in the top 10 of wealthy owners in the NBA
@@stevenalaxbrown6015 you do know that the same players that they "can't afford" don't have to take that much money that their teams can't afford right
@@JA-xn3rc what do you consider a discount? 1,2,3 million a year less? Still puts them high in luxury tax. Lol, steph and klay definitely never took a discount.
"The fact that the Warriors bought the championship"
Not a fact.
"The Warriors believe they drafted and developed their own players and they got too expensive."
Not a belief. That's what happened.
I see Windy is still on the Lebron payroll.
If you can't understand what windhorst said you can't understand complex issues like luxury tax and salary cap
Drafted players should not be taxed under the same rules designed to prevent rich teams from outbidding poorer teams in free agency. That's all Lacob was saying and it makes total sense. One of the worst things about modern sports is the lack of loyalty between players and their teams and fans, and the consequent lack of legit rivalries. This is due to how easy it is for players to move around and, for example, create superteams with their buddies. Rules that incentivize teams to retain the players they draft, players that grow up in a particular fanbase, would help to ease the problem of today's star player movement, and help to create bona fide rivalries. Luxury tax rules that don't distinguish between drafted players and free agents does the opposite.
Warriors fan right?
People move between jobs all the time why should sports be any different ?
@@d4v1do Expand your mind. Do you think OKC fans cared about all the tax accountant in their city changing jobs? Oh but when KD does it? C'mon man.
I think the todays NBA are pushed more into media stream flatform. From what ive understand they are more media driven than ever before. Even if the NBA image is like a soup opera and becomes toxic with all these baseless claim, they still find it more exciting and people will focus more on stories than games. And i think playing is more of a secondary aspect of the league today behind ofcourse media
@@drogonr9318 don't even bother talking to these idiots man, they won't get it
You can tell Brian Windhorst is still adamant about his “chequebook win” statement and refuse to give credits to the warriors. The fact is, Joe Lacob is the 20thor 21st richest owner among NBA teams, other teams could afford to do the same, their owners are just being cheap.
It's crazy that the luxury tax was designed to fail. Imagine encouraging teams to develop players and telling them they can't keep all of them, then complaining that there's just too much player movement cuz not all of them can get paid.
That is the NHL for ya. In the NHL, there is a hard cap with guaranteed contracts. As a result, teams that draft and develop young talent well can’t keep all of them when that talent gets expensive just so other teams who can’t develop talent will have a chance to compete. Talk about unfair!
Bobby Marks mentioned this a few weeks ago that this will be a point brought up when the new CBA negotiations happen. Teams will argue that the luxury tax penalty should be smaller for drafted players vs players who were traded or acquired in free agency.
Yeah right. Imagine the warriors who are way over the salary cap going to the negotiations you know we want some we don't want to play by the rules we want some exceptions so we can go much more over the cap because we want to be champions for the next 10 years. I can't stop laughing.
@Kellen Johnson no way, this has absolutely nothing to do with small market teams. Don't pretend it is not exclusively about the warriors.
Any concessions made now on short term would only benefit the warriors and on the long run still some other big market team would benefit. The only thing that can happen is that they will make the luxury tax even harder, the other way around never going to happen.
They will never make a difference on drafted or traded players, it has nothing to do with the purpose of the luxury tax.
Look everybody plays by the rules the only team who wants extra benefit is the warriors.
They are 60 millions over the salary cap and they want to go 100 millions without paying the tax, where is the parity you pretend you are talking about?
I think the NBA needs to give a discount on teams tax bracket if they drafted all the players. It will help to stop superstar player always get together and encourage player stays in one city for their career like Timmy Dirk and Kobe. That’s real greatness
And it will also boost fans engagement too.
This is so dumb. It's not going to stop a player from going to a bigger market. Small market teams cannot compete especially if the player wants to expand their own brand
@@johnlinks the reason here is to encourage teams to develop talents, with the supermax teams are able to retain their home-grown talents but the cap still plagues their finances.
No one was complaining when the warriors were paying the tax and not making the playoffs the last two years. Owners who don't want togoover the tax to win should sell the team.
Exactly Lacob should sell the team or let others pay the luxury tax
@@csababalog9702he’s paying the most tax out of everyone. Why should he sell the team?
No one was complaining in the 60s 70s & 80s when the Celtics and Lakers were taking turns winning 8 or 9 chips a piece, let alone the Bulls in the 90s. Now the Warriors win less than the spurs in a decade and it's a problem?
They get hypnatised by Jealousy......Boozila..
They probably were complaining back then.
There was no real free agency during the 60s or 70s. The mid 80s is when free agency was slowly becoming free agency
Lol low IQ clown. Spurs also won 4 championships in a decade from 1999-2009. They won their 5th the next decade in 2014. What less than the spurs in a decade are you talking about here?
60s and 70s was still an era of underlying racism that we were trying to overcome, 80s down the money was different millionaires and billionaires only had to cash out a player like a few mill max for a good player
Does the NBA not realize that the past two NBA Finals ratings have been through the roof because of teams like the Bucks, Warriors, Suns and Celtics were all majority homegrown talent that they drafted and developed
Heck, all of them were homegrown aside from that one player that no one expected to do much that they picked up (Chris Paul, Bobby Portis, Andrew Wiggins)
@callmecatalyst wiggins > cp3
@@damienwest2519 you mean at the moment I hope.
@@LoftyXsWaGX34 nah wiggins didn't choke. CP3 career is full of choking
@callmecatalyst I didn’t mean any disrespect. I just meant players that elevated the roster when they weren’t expected to
NBA be like "you winning too much so I'ma fine you".
Brian widworst was the who start to say that it was a bought win. He's one of those who started the narrative, and now he's speaking like that didn't happen lol
500k fine because he spitting facts
No...wiggins why they have title...also why they have luxury tax
@@xavierb9061 you mean the Wiggins that everybody said was a "Bust" and "Overrated" player yet the Warriors were able to win the championship because they have great coaching staff and FO
@@leetraviusmckay2919 wiggins they paid 30+mil a season lol..who puts them over tax
@@xavierb9061 they're taking on his contract that the Timberwolves gave him
There should be less tax if you are keeping the players you drafted
It would defeat the purpose of the luxury tax.
@@csababalog9702 it would reward teams to keep players they draft and develop and would tax a bigger amount the teams that try to create super teams
Imagine getting penalized for being the best at your job. They took that franchise to elite status and teams are crying unfair 🤦♂️
They’re penalized for going over the salary cap and that’s not really a penalty because they get to go OVER the salary cap to resign their drafted guys
Wait how are you saying teams are crying as lacob was just crying unfair literally?
they all are crying right now coz Warriors won lmao. It even starts with the guy on the right saying Warriors is also winning coz they spend more money aka "checkbook win" 🥴
@@flockaveli15 because his team is getting penalized the most for building his team the right way and his players winning chips= big pay days. Do you know how the salary cap tax works? Repeater tax? I suggest you learn the system
@@alexescutia4805 it is a penalty. Because it multiplies each season that it continues. They will pay almost 300mil in penalties alone. That’s not counting the actually salaries yet. It’s a penalty for being good at your job and retaining talent.
The teams might be more interest in keeping their drafted players - with major discount on tax. This build loyalty and stop the maniac of trading players kd kyrie harden.
Just think if all OKC young talents could be at least a borderline stars in the next 5 years from now. If they want to compete with others team they had to keep all their drafted talents but with this current luxury tax system, maybe they could only keep 2 players. This system should be reviewed and changed ASAP.
We can talk about players getting paid too much all day long. Mention an issue about ownership money and you get a spanking!!
Lol right
It's ridiculous to punish a team for drafting well and developing players, and then rewarding the players. This is what fans want, as opposed to teams like the Lakers
Here is what I think the luxury tax system should be.
Teams should get a full deduction of the player’s salary from its tax base if that player:
(1) spends his entire career with the team, or
(2) is acquired by the team within his first four seasons or first 300 games AND was on a rookie deal or minimum salary deal at the time of the acquisition
To combat the loss of luxury tax payments, the league should lower the luxury tax line to the soft salary cap level while also increasing the luxury tax penalty.
With this setup, teams are now disincentivized from building superteams by solely snatching players from other teams. They must build from the ground up instead. True, the Lakers, Clippers, and Nets will complain very loudly as they are the ones who will have to fork over the largest tax payments. But so what? They deserve to be penalized the most because they aren’t building their roster from the ground up.
Also, this setup will help small market teams retain their star players that they developed as they no longer need to worry about the luxury tax.
So in the end, aside from the Lakers, Clippers, and Nets, everyone wins.
You are great the NBA should hire you consultant if they want to kill the league.
If you let some teams go unlimited over the salary cap you kill the league. You should not comment if you don't understand the luxury tax.
Agree with everyone is saying. You shouldn't be penalized for excellent drafting and developing players.
I've got agree with the general sentiments being expressed here. Teams should not be penalized (as much) for paying top dollar for players that they drafted.
OKC perfect example, drafted KD, Hardin, Westbrook, Ibaka, Steven Adams... could not afford drafting stars. Denver ex-GM now on Wolves got 40 million basically for drafting Jokic in 2nd round...
Joe has a point. I mean when a team drafts a player and invests time and money into his RnD just to have another team snag him cause now he's playing to his potential and you have to pay the man. This just makes orgs not invest, but buy their talent cause at the end of the day its much cheaper.
And also less risky
The NBA proved his point about unfairness
Paying for what you develop isn't "buying" a championship. Every team wishes they could do what the Warriors did. They can't.
Apparently the NBA's position is that if you are astute enough to draft and develop star quality players you have to be punished for being better at it than other teams.
If they are punished they probably doing something wrong. Do you know what the luxury tax and the salary cap is for?
Shouldn't be commenting if You don't
@@csababalog9702 I know what its NOT for and that is developing talent for your opposition.
You shouldn't be commenting if you can't think.
The Warriors used the flexibility in the rules to spike its allowed salaries. This is a fact, its up to you to determine what judgement you assign to it. The cap is a function of League revenues, 50% goes to player salaries. But the 50% rule does not per se limit what a specific team can pay its players which is set by individual contract. The Warriors used a spike in the cap to sign Durant, while Curry was on a low-ball contract - totally allowed. When it cam time to pay Curry, it spiked payroll to well above the cap - again totally allowed due to Bird Right rules. GS avoided triggering the hard cap and held the extra space through a sign and trade for Russel which was in turn traded for Wiggins. So by rule they are allowed to be over the limit, and by checkbook they can afford to, which not every team can do. But to presume that the complaints of other owners is in the interest of parity would be a lie - the majority of teams are above the CAP and tax threshold. Parity is bad for ratings and ratings are key to growing the revenues, so, I expect little change in the new CBA.
Why doesn’t the NBA just adopt a hard cap and increase it yearly so the league becomes more competitive and the bottom feeder teams have a shot at rising, it would suck for the superstars but it’s a players league rn maybe it’s time to transition over to a teams league again
The dirty little secret that modern players have forgotten (or never knew) is that it is ultimately better for players and fans if it is a team's league. Players will still be amazingly wealthy for playing a game- but the NBA has always been at its heart teams playing to win championships. Great players are still celebrated but within a team they have become identified with.
All you have to do is seriously consider: what if the top players got together and decided they were going to make up their own league and teams- kind of like the greatest playground game in the world? Who needs the NBA? Fans want to see our great talent right? Sounds great initially- but how popular would this be in reality? For how long? Playground games or allstar games of even the best players are entertaining for a game or two (or at least they used to be) but not for season after season.
In the modern social media age, players have a falsely exaggerated idea of their INDIVIDUAL importance as brands or social media influencers. This is all transitory "15 minutes of fame" stuff. Steph Curry will likely go on to a successful media career of some kind after he's finished playing- he obviously has the comportment for it. But it will spring from his success on a team in the historical NBA(as he understands).
The popularity and fan support of the NBA is cemented into its history and the structure of true team competition. Players are the most important part of the equation- until they change the equation itself.
The reason for no hard cap is that the CBA requires allocation of 50% of revenues to players but there is no way to predict revenues accurately. So as structured, the CBA sets maximum salaries based upon a percentage of the cap - 35% for the "super max". The CBA also places limits on the annual increase (or decrease) allowed as a percentage of the prior year salary, 8% if my memory is correct. And given multi-year contracts the lack of a link between the annual increase and the cap growth make it near impossible to use a hard cap since would limit annual increases already in place in a players contract in any year revenues do not grow enough. (Or in the case where the cap grows faster, provides extra cash to pay higher or additional salaries - this is how GS were able to sign Durant - a cap spike). People confuse the CBA for an attempt at parity between teams but that is not its goal, the goal is distribution of revenues to players.
The reality is that teams do not drive the revenues - individual stars do. And those stars want their share, which arguably they deserve even more for some individuals. But, there need to be the flexibility to retain the "star" players with annual increases in contract which will drive a team salary above cap after a year or two. (The 2022-23 cap is $123.6M - and currently 23 of 30 teams exceed that amount). The soft cap used by the NBA sets a tax apron (amount above which the luxury tax is imposed) at $150M for 22-23 to allow for the need to honor annual increases to contracted players. (12 of 30 teams are above that figure). This allocation dynamic is why trades have to be for similar salaries.
And then there is the repeater tax provisions. 50% of the luxury tax goes to the other teams to help create some balance and the reality is it does prevent the creation of "super-teams" to some degree. (This is why no one has an offer for Durant or Irving right now and why you do not have a team of 5 all stars or max players anywhere in the league).
I am not sure there are any good examples of working hard caps out there in any sport, especially where a percentage of revenues goes to players and revenues cannot be predicted but contracts must last a few years. While fans may say they want parity, they only want it when it takes away from other teams and not their favorite. When it comes to having to let a drafted player becoming a star leave due to salary, fans hate hard caps and teams lose the investment in developing a player. So, unless the 50% dynamic goes away - which it will not because players will not agree to less - a soft cap is the best that you can do. Hard cap means 23 teams will be cutting guys this year, pick you favorite and figure out who has to go if a hard cap is imposed and then think of G-League and two-way players to round out the roster - you will not like the results.
@@opieg7333 perfectly spelled out.
Because a hard cap penalizes teams who develop young talent well. When that talent gets too expensive, they have to let some of those players go so that other teams who can’t develop young talent well have a chance to compete. That is completely unfair.
The point of the salary tax is to stop the wealthiest teams from buying the best players. The Warriors spent the most because they have 3 great players they drafted. The players you draft shouldn’t count towards the cap in the same way free agents do. Would the league be better if the Warriors had to trade guys they drafted because they were too expensive? That would be a draft tax. Boston will soon be in the same boat.
But they have kept all 3 guys and looney? And could even afford Wiggins. Let’s be real teams rarely are making full starting 5 I’d really great drafted players. Usually it’s about 2 or 3 and then the rest are bought. It’s how it’s always been and teams can keep their guys easily.
i can't wait to hear other fan base CRYING/MAD when they player that they drafted that becomes good is leaving cuz they team don't want to pay the man cuz of luxury tax. They ain't crying now but i can't wait to see it n the future.
I mean it’s been the rule for years now. Why is it something to cry about with the warriors that have kept most of their drafted talent.
@@flockaveli15 ye wait until ur team draft 3-4 guys that are good and ur team makes them leave cuz they ain't wanna pay the TAX then u lose the chance of winning NBA chip, watch u whine and cry bout it then.
@@america795 my team did have to do that and I wasn’t crying back then. It sucked sure but that’s just the name of the game. Even back then I realized it was fair and that if the Bulls wanted to get more it off the guy they should’ve sign and traded it tried to get something before deadline.
I’m sorry this is your first time understanding this is how it works. Try not to cry and whine about it it’s just entertainment anyways.
Warriors have the highest paid coz their core is literally a decade old They're just looking for the cheapest in FA in the market and even scrapping the Gleague which basically the out of NBA players just to add in the roster. Wiggins is the only one who is already expensive that got added to the team but he was considered as overpaid. Really, even tho the Warriors have the highest payroll, they don't look good at paper and was bottled with injuries even in this season and still fought through adversities. So, being the highest payroll doesn't equate a Chip. Dubs just happen to have been well disciplined.
The whole point of joe lacob was about draft players he understands the luxury tax is important to regulate the fairness between teams but it's unfair to pay this much to keep their drafted players
The luxury tax should be based on trading for players as opposed to hitting teams who developed players and then their contract comes up and start to earn more. Therefore, for example, Gary Payton earning a contract with GSW shouldn't affect the luxury tax since GSW basically developed him after being rejected by multiple teams. That would mean the tax should apply to players like KD to Brooklyn, Lebron to the Lakers etc. Furthermore, this only will get exemptions for rookie contracts and veterans will all be subject to different tiers of taxes.
There should be less luxury tax for teams who drafted and developed homegrown talent such as the Bucks, Warriors, Celtics, Suns, and Miami as well who are contenders next season
It's actually ridiculous that you need a luxury tax to keep your own drafted players!
Exactly.. if you are good at drafting players ? You shouldn’t give them up cuz of luxury tax as that is going to derail the clubs ambition .. there should be some special rule for players drafted from a team to be paid max contract if they deserve the maX deal
" Lacob, has been fined the equivalent of pocket change, for an opinion most NBA fans actually agree with "
Most warriors fans
I juat don't understand why the fine and the Warriors draft the right way so what's the problem. So build through the draft make them great then trade them away for other teams.
No matter what
A healthy GSW is unstoppable
I think Boston handed them the series. No ball movement in late game situations
@@stephenarchie6481 What happen was GSW figured their game plan and weakness out by game 4 and exposed it.
The problem is the NBA doesn't have a real salary cap. Keeping a competive balance should be the focus.These agents are driving the salaries so high that the teams cannot keep everybody.Warriors are abusing the system by keeping all their players and paying the tax.
When the team draft and develop, then pay the players.... it should be an exemption.
Yup and you go Sign huge free agent to make your team unstoppable with the money that's supposed to be penalized . 👏. That's not fair to others team . That be way for big market team to cheat the system to sign big free agents. Small market teams would be crushed completely!.
NBA got pissed the GSW stole Mac from Lakers.
Drafted players should be exempted from the tax altogether..how can you expect to retain homegrown talent if you'll eventually be penalized for doing so?
BRUH imagine paying a 500k fine. I’d BE HEATED
I swear these fine amounts are based on the person's bank account. Half a million for a fine is ridiculous smfh
Man got fined for speaking facts. Make it make sense Adam Silva, make it make sense.
warriors had 181m payroll and the next closest was 178m and many are over 150m including lakers who couldnt make playin. Luxury tax isnt payroll its tax. Windwhor is salty his daddy is f'ed with lakers.
In a world with guys skipping teams and teams constantly being cheap, rebuilding, short changing players, its refreshing to have a team that treats its loyal players right
The League only has a few truly big markets that attract free agents: LA, NY, CHI, MIA and HOU. Everywhere else is essentially a small market, and small markets have no choice but to try and draft, develop and retain in order to be competitive because Let's be honest you're simply not going to be able to get a KD to go to Indiana or Utah in free agency. They should penalize teams for drafting badly by forcing them to keep x amount of their own draft picks on the roster or face a Mercenary Tax or something
The Warriors owner is absolutely correct it is really unfair for a team who developed their drafted players.....There should be some adjustment here regarding all those taxes....
I think the luxury tax is needed, but not the way its applied…Jacob is spot on. If you develop the players you should not be punished for it.
Life’s unfair .. get a helmet
Wow, look at all these comments where people are actually agreeing with the warriors.. Such a breath of fresh air.
Teams should be able to keep players that they drafted, and not be penalized for it or forced to choose between them if they are willing to pay the market rate. If a team strikes gold 3 years in a row and ends up with three all-stars, they shouldn't be forced to let one walk or pay 2x that players salary as a penalty for keeping them.
They are extremely unfair, they punish teams for drafting, developing, and retaining players which should be the goal of every organisation. If you draft a little too well, develop a little too well, you'll be forced to let players go, it makes no sense.
I think the luxury tax system is awesome! Could I get the $500k?
The other teams that spent money stole players from other teams and tried to buy a team that's why they didn't win the warriors paid players they drafted and developed except four wigs. The warriors had years of chemistry behind this championship. When KD came to the warriors curry had a very team friendly contract 44 million that one of the reasons the warriors where able to sign him without overspending. Klay and green had team friendly contracts as well when they signed KD but other teams had a problem with that also. So warriors dont spend alot of money and win thats a problem warriors spend money and win thats a problem. Can't win for losing except they won lol
The warriors owner batching about how the luxury tax isn't fair, and the rule migt actually get stricter
If you want to pay players you drafted you should not get hit as hard with the tax the problem is even without the tax before there was even a tax owners was cheap they always have they never have wanted to play players they drafted they rather trade them and start all over save money. The teams that actually spend money are the ones that regularly compete for the playoffs winning championships take alot more than just spending money.
I think if you sign player in the first year or two of their career and they remain on your team then you should be able to exceed the salary cap to sign them without luxury tax penalties. On the other hand you shouldn’t be able to trade for a player and their bird rights and then exceed the cap to sign them. From my perspective, if the league were fair and balanced for all teams then the Warriors would not be able to sign and retain Wiggins, but could sign Jordon Poole with no penalties. Their would be no workarounds. If the salaries of all drafted players exceeded the cap then the team should only be able to sign minimums. If the salaries of drafted players was 100 million with a 120 million cap then Wiggins could only be signed for 20 million or less. The change above would still reward teams who drafted, identified, and groomed talent as well protecting the opportunity to achieve a dynasty. It would also level the playing field far better than it is now.
They really need to simplify things. The NBA Cap rules should not look like an FBI handbook. The only reason it’s so complicated is because big city, rich owners have written the rules for decades. Real Sports fans want a level playing field. We don’t want Silicon Valley billionaires capable of buying a championship to be able to do so. Between that, the refereeing, the rule changes, player movement, etc. the game has become closer to a globetrotter game than a sport.
nba should have a lifetime contract
GSW is Developing Drafted Players who later become SUPERSTARS and cannot hold on because of the LUXURY TAX while other TEAMS get them and they will benefit....!!!. TOTALLY UNFAIR....!!!!
These other teams just need to do a better job developing players they draft and signing better role players. Warriors dont win without jordan poole, otto poter and gary payton 3 players that are at the bottom of the pay roll. Draft and Develop thing sign quality free agent role players to play around youre stars thats the different between the warriors and these other ball clubs.
If you draft and develop a player they should not harm you for the luxury tax. Look at GSW starting 5. Four of them were drafted by the Warriors. It is like the NBA would prefer teams to not develop and keep players around. This is a joke and needs to change. I get it if you are a team like LA, Brooklyn, or Miami a few years who go out and sign players in free agency. The luxury tax makes sense for that, but if you develop a player you should not get penalized.
As usual more rules and regulations cause more problems, not fix them. There should not be a salary cap or luxury tax. Before the great Warriors management team came along, the Lakers and Knicks generated the most money. Over the last 40 years the Knicks have zero rings, the Lakers about 10 and small market San Antonio 5. Money helps but management is more important. The owners who told Windy they are worried about the gap between team revenues, are they worried about the gap in salaries between the super stars and the role players. I'm sure the warriors would have loved to give GP2 15 mil if that stupid luxury tax was not in place.
I understand the gist of the luxury tax, and it does work....but it does have it's flaws as well. If it were a simple yes or no as to whether have a luxury, you'd definitely have to say yes for it.
If the whole point is you are allowed to extend and max out contracts of drafted players, why are they taxed? And why is the NBA so sensitive on such a basic comment? Fines should have some context applied to it.
We tend to get punished for speaking facts these days.
case on point.
The elephant in the room, and the reason Lacob is crying foul, is that the warriors luxury tax exceeds their own payroll. Every owner in the league cashed a check from the Warriors luxury tax; most of them just won’t spend it on their teams.
To teams that can’t or won’t pay the cost of doing business: Too bad, so sad. This from a fan of the 2019 NBA champion Toronto Raptors, who pay their players in American dollars but earn their revenues in Canadian dollars worth 70 cents US on a good day.
When Windy said “Penile” it made my mouth water and my jaw lock.
Gotta love being punished for criticisms lol
You shouldn’t be penalized for drafting smarter than anyone else. This was an overreaching, overreaction to help teams that are ran poorly compete. Hire competent basketball people to scout and draft talent and fire those who don’t deliver. I would argue that the luxury tax rule by design will hurt more small market teams than help. Take OKC for example when they had Durant, Westbrook, Harden, had the luxury tax rules been the same then there would’ve been absolutely no way they would’ve been able to keep them all. If they really wanted to make it fair and increase the competition they should penalize teams for consecutively finishing in the bottom 3. Teams would be forced to compete smarter and harder to avoid penalties or suffer fines and draft positions. Rewarding bad teams and penalizing the good teams is the main reasons why their isn’t any parody in the NBA today. Each year we pretty much can ink in the playoff teams before the year starts. This leaves teams in the middle of the pack in no man’s land while the top teams bicker with the bottom teams essentially, which actually epitomizes are socioeconomic structure in America, but I digress. I think they should commend the top teams for being the prototype for success, admonish the poorly run teams and reward or incentivize the middle teams because these teams are adequately competing and maybe needs a little bit of help to compete with top teams. This would ensure parody and competitive balance and reward the fans who deserve to see there teams get better. Teams like Portland, Utah, Denver, etc. who are consistently ran well, but can never get over the hump, but what do I know their the smart people right?
I agree 💯
Not fair for Warriors and others who have to pay so much luxury tax for drafted & developed their players
That fine can pay for my graduate program, including living expenses, and I can still save some
It's not even about whether the comment was right or wrong. It's WHY you can't even talk about it...
League giving in to everybody complaint why are you changing the fact a Team can draft and pay their player and go into the luxury. That's what bird years were made for. Now they wanna cap it ? So another team has a possibility to take your player? Like what
The luxury tax system is fine. People keep saying drafted players salaries should have treated differently, but do people realize that some teams stay competitive every year and they rarely get lottery pick. The only way for those teams to improve is either via undrafted players or trade. Why should we penalize teams trying to be competitive? OKC has been tanking many many years to get the big three. Warriors before drafting Steph and Klay, they have been on the verge of tanking for a while. Also, they shut down most productive players in 19-20 seasons just to win 15 games. Do you know how hard a team only to win 15 games after winning 57 games a season ago? So, many People here are encouraging that, as long as you agree to develop your own drafted players, you are OKAY to tank. Look, the Warriors has been raising ticket prices year by year but the team still making a lot of revenue after paying so much luxury tax, why we normal people like us have to worry about the owners' pocket? Also, the shoe deals Steph and Klay earned way more than their salaries, if they want to keep the core and worry about the luxury tax, they can take a pay cut like what James Harden did. Stop being a homer, no team will win forever. When your team is on the opposite side of the spectrum, you would be yelling why other owners don't pay more taxes.
So if the Lakers were doing the same thing it would be ok ?
People don't realize that this isn't just a Golden State problem. Soon the Celtics will face this issue because they won't be able to pay guys they drafted
Just to play devil's advocate. If they did lower the tax rates on drafted players for teams that go over the luxary tax, it'll likely lead to more "The Process". Simply put, if teams are rewarded for keeping drafted players on their team by paying less, then as a GM, I would just tank for 4-5 years, get 2-3 stars(potentially), and be set for the future because i wouldn't be taxed as heavily.
So if you draft well, and keep your players happy. The NBA CBA taxes you 100s of millions..... Gotta love some BS rules. They need to implement a 1% per year credit on a player meaning. By year 15. His contract should effect the cap 15% less. 8 years in 8% discount off his yearly salary, off the cap. It doesnt make sense why the warriors have to pay 340m to keep the players they Drafted.
Teams should not be fined for rewarding the players they drafted and developed with financial compensation for the hard work they put in and the skills they develop.
Maybe I'm being dramatic,but fining someone for having an opinion is literally going against freedom of speech.
It's ridiculous. Especially fining a team half a million dollars. He should fight this.
When you look at dollars versus performance. Grizzlies, Suns, heat, Celtics, and mavericks are the best performing. Timberwolves, lakers, and clippers have some of the worst performances per dollar spent
The league did the same thing to Niners when Debartolo paid through the wazoo to win Super Bowls.
the cap needs to loosen up, especially for players you develop and draft. it is idiotic to reward mediocrity. by forcing good teams to have to let gotalent they developed or talent they found just for the sake of parity. where is the parity in helping incompetence? if you lose because the other team is better run then why should the well-run team be punished I think a team should keep the players they draft without incurring in any tax violation. what I love about sports is loyalty and seeing teams win 3peats and 4 peats. when a team repeats it creates tension in the league a tension that needs to be released and fans tune in to see that be resolved by finding out who can unseat the champs.
That is 50 cent for him
Are you telling me a billionaire thinks that their wealth means they shouldn't have to play by the rules other people have to? I'm shocked.
He's singing Giannis next season for this
Pocket change for him... he probably wouldn't have chosen to spend it like this! Didn't break his stride.