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Could These 830 Million Year Old Microbes Found In Salt Really Be Alive?
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830 mya is about 300 million years before the Cambrian explosion. That's hard to even imagine.
One of the conventional rules of life is that it takes energy. So, what is the energy source for these organisms? Maybe the cells were just preserved in the salt, but weren't actually "alive" until the crystals were exposed to light or heat after they were dug up. So the cells may have been dormant until we reawakened them by accident.
I'm sorry Anton, I missed everything you said after 5:00 because I couldn't stop thinking about the broken slide.
I watched it twice though. Simply amazing. I'd like to see what comes of this.
Me too!
I thought "stock footage" and ignored with slight amusement
@@jamesdriscoll_tmp1515 It's either stock footage or an instructional video on the do's and don't's of how to use a microscope. Full disclosure, I have done this at least twice in my life and shattered the slide by not thinking. However, it's more time consuming to do it the proper way and then find the area you were looking at. So I understand.
@@LuckyLucyHi Yeah that got me too. I could see it was gonna happen.
Being a regular user of microscopes, that part hurt me deeply XD.
That's actually insane. Interesting to see if there's still a living organism in there.
New viruses incoming
if the organisms survived in the salt and the salt is used in the food industry, we have all already made contact with the organisms
@@KalkigerKolben We are being mind-controlled by salt creatures in are McDonald's haha
@@thatswhatithought6519 Probably we should more worry about evolving virusus rather than old ones that are probably being reanimated naturally every day out there in the environment.
@@serronserron1320 "...in are McDonald's?" Is English your second or third language? Or did you just flunk out of grade school spelling?
How embarrassing for you! Wow!
830M years stuck in a salt crystal. The horror.
Basically same as being frequent user of Twitter.
Food for ever .
Those are some briny pickles .
You wouldn't want to fall out with neighboring microbes.
It beats Scrat. He was in a ice cube during the last ice age.
Really insane, I am geologist and curently working at my master thesis about salt. I apreciate that someone show how intresting this group of minerals can be.
From the GSA paper cited, published 6 May 2022: 'The oldest known halite from which living prokaryotes have been extracted and cultured is Permian (ca. 250 Ma; Vreeland et al., 2000). Therefore, it is plausible that microorganisms from the Neoproterozoic Browne Formation are extant.' R (Australia)
Even if there are "only" dead bacteria inside, studying those might still give us a lot of insight into ancient life and how life came about and evolved on Earth.
This is an amazing discovery. I really hope they manage to open up the crystal for further examination. I really want them to sequence the genome of those organisms.
Wouldn't they need a bigger sample to be able to sequence? Idrk
If its tiny salt crystals there then they should be loads of them
The DNA is probably mutated and unreadable though. DNA degredation goes quickly
@@meneeRubieko Yeah, I didn't word that very well. Sorry
What I meant was: If they are dead, then we can study their preserved structures as good as possible.
If they are alive, then I hope we can grow them and then sequence their genome.
Guess I was thinking about different scenarios quicker than I could write it down understandably. ^ ^
@@evolutionarydeadend6812 Yeah, the sequencing can only be done if the organisms are still alive and then I hope they manage to multiply them in a growth medium.
I didn't word my comment very well (see my answer to meneeRubieko).
About ancient life, do an update on the lakes (aquatic time capsules) under anarctica!! Love your videos!!
Uh did you know there's a fresh water lake under the ocean 🤯😳
@@karlakirkpatrick2214 even more interesting the blood lakes? They where formed when the environment on earth was oxygen deprived(?) Wonder what type of microbes they have found there..
Id love to see a genetic comparisons from then and now, assuming we have identical microbes. Also what type of dna is found there but no longer in our current biosphere.. i would like to think if some areas under anarctica have been sealed up for 1/5 the history of our planet it should give us a wealth of information on the history of biological evolution
@@markrix wow and triple wow but the fresh water lake isn't in Anartica, but all of this is 😳🤯🤯🤯🤯😳😳😳😳
Anarctica?
Anartica?
WTH
I absolutely love your channel and the incredible things you share with us. Thank you for being here.
Mind-boggling as ever, Anton! You always find the most interesting and amazing papers to share and explain...thank you for all your hard work!
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
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@@infinitelysimple9480 What a weird thing to comment on someone giving humble respect 😂 what ever makes you happy bud
glad you enjoyed it
@@infinitelysimple9480 😐
When I hear someone say "it's 830 million years old", I expect a movie-trailer guy to finish "...and it's hungry".
Immortal beings trapped in a crystal prison? Yeah… put it back.
It seems to me that once life takes hold on a planet it is extremely hard to kill all life. As Jeff Goldblum said in the original Jurassic Park “Life will find a way.”
Anton, thank you for all your work on these videos. I am forever grateful for your dedication to science and communication of these difficult yet fascinating topics. I hope you and your family find peace, for you are truly a wonderful person.
Hey Anton I love your b-roll footage. I noticed at 5:00 that as the lab technician put on the highest magnification, they knocked their glass slide out of place, but just kept going
Noticed it too, its fine tho, its just stock footage.
@@godoftwinkies574 I was giving the actor in that stock footage mad props. I can just hear the director saying Remember even if you mess up , The Show Must Go On, keep acting like a technician.😅
That was kinda funny, I think Anton included it just for kicks
Everyone is so concerned about this being released into the environment. They've already put it on their food. Lol
The most interesting thing here is the chemistry that could keep an organic life form alive for that long.
If this were true It would be easy to seed other planets with DNA, which would raise the probability that we have been seeded...
Just what I was thinking, too.
Some floating rock from a distant Galaxy that just dropped down a few billion years ago, or was it an alien that essentially jizzed into the atmosphere and then disappeared.
@@serronserron1320 ancient Earth was a party planet. Aliens would come here for casual sex, typically near primordial soup or and geothermal vents.
Similar bedded salt deposits, known as evaporites, are common in the Paleozoic basins of North America. They also frequently contain bedded salts of Potassium (aka potash). There are salt deposits hundreds of feet thick in Kansas and Michigan which are mined for use as mushroom farms, long-term document storage and other purposes that require well protected, stable, dry environments. I personally have collected salt crystals with fluid inclusions from the Permian-aged salt deposits at the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) in New Mexico which has been mined out for storage of low-level nuclear waste products. These fluid inclusions are not all that rare and represent the salty brine that was present as the crystals grew.
Every single one of your videos is so informative. Rthank you every time I watch I learn so much. You've taught me so much in the time I've been watching!
For real! Most of what Mr Petrov says is so over my head but then he'll present a discovery or fact so amazing that he astounds even me.
@@fvefve12 I mean I don't have the educational background to understand much of the astronomy and physics especially.
I was a liberal arts major.
I can still listen to Anton's voice for hours. Next time I get a few dollars, he's definitely number one to get my support!
I really love when I do grasp more of the biology concepts he presents as I understand those a little more.
@@fvefve12 I totally agree. Anton breaks things down but doesn't speak down to his audience beautifully.
My studies were in political science and German language but later I studied biology and microbiology. Of course I took chem and physics in high school and have a baseline understanding. But when it when it concepts so vast and incomprehensible as such as those of space and, ironically, in the lesser-explored depths of our own oceans, I guess it goes it does kind of "blow my mind".
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No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
@@fvefve12 agreed! It's my unstated credo to try and learn something new every day!
Been fun chatting. See you again soon, hopefully! 🌹
THIS!!!!!! This type of story is far more fascinating than sci-fi!!!
How about this :
A slight temperature gradient on the crystal, would result in the salt on one side of the fluid pocket being slightly more soluble, than on the other, making some salt crystals detach from the more soluble wall, and some to crystalize on the wall experiencing the cooler side of the temp gradient.
Therefore, these fluid pockets could actualy drift around the larger crystal, over a large period of time, creating an eco-system of isolated systems, that very occasionally meet up, interchange materials, and possibly split up and move on again. Hence the bacteria can sometimes get more space and reproduce, more materials from encountering different impurities in different parts of the crystal.
Just some thoughts.
Anton- it goes without saying, you put out some of the highest yield material anywhere on youtube
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
@@valinorean4816 Why comment that on my comment ?
@@Penrose707 you commended this video, i poured cold water on top, logical?
@@valinorean4816 Did you even watch the video or are you just feeling in a trolling mood ? Anton mentions multiple times that they are uncertain whether or not the lumen contains living cells or just dead cells reacting with residual substrate. The video is well researched and put together- commendation stands. Try harder next time pal
@@Penrose707 what are you talking about? whatever living cells there are, if any, have nothing to do with the anciency of the mineral.
Anton’s smile in the end always cracks me up. It’s like his mum scolds him to remember to smile at the end!
Anton, you so much earn your 1 million subs. Your content is simply way above the others. Thanks for the time you take. I would really like a video about you. Where you were born, your youth and so on. In short, how you ended up making content for a living!
Hello wonderful Anton! 👋
The best channel talking about complex science and astrophysics, but put in an easily digestible fashion. Top tier brother!!! 👍
Hey Anton, I love how you diversify your sciences and bring us interesting things.
I mean, they're all sorta related to earth/space sciences. But they're not just space and rockets.
That is just freaking mind-blowing, Anton. Great video, as always.
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
I am really glad that you're doing more videos that aren't purely space oriented. Thank you! Great stuff.
Hello wonderful Anton, thank you for enlightening us again with amazing new research findings, please keep us posted if you come accross further updates of life in halite crystals.
I cannot imagine what kind of life can survive in such high molar concentration of NaCl, at the point of salt crystalizing out of a solution. Amongst the life we have discovered recently, the crown of tolerating the highest salt concentration in the environment belongs to, Haloquadratum walsbyi (anyone who's ever asked themselves, what is life on planet Earth mean? Cannot skip pondering on H. walsbyi). It's also amazingly unique in it's biology and morphology, almost Alien! I wonder, if any microorganism are indeed found in a halite crystal, ends up being an Archaean also, the alternate scenario is a novel form of life!
Great video with absolutely fantastic implications. Imagine we've been salting our sidewalks and roads with the oldest known signs of life.
Must be something I forgot to trow out of my fridge.
This reminds me a lot of something I read about a scientist named Stanley Miller back in college. He hypothesized that abiogenesis may have first occurred in sea ice, rather than in some caustic, tropical rockpool. He observed that frozen saltwater contains tiny pockets of liquid water which he believed could act as a confined space for dissolved particles to interact with one another with greater frequency, making the formation of organic molecules more likely, in spite of the low temperature. His experiments suggested that even in an extreme environment such as an ice moon like Europa, naturally occurring cyanide and ammonia could interact at subzero temperatures in a way that could lead to complex organic polymers and the molecular building blocks of life.
By definition each individual micro-chamber is a pocket universe. Each sample could potentially hold completely different specimens.
Each crystal an extreme Galapagos Islands of bacteria.
Universe? I don't think so.
@@tylermcnally8232 glad you don't think so
@@tylermcnally8232 it only takes a second to look up the definitions for the word universe: a particular sphere of activity, interest, or experience.
plural noun: universes
"the front parlor was the hub of her universe"
So yes, by definition, they are small pocket universes.
@@TrevorsMailbox sassy AND informative. Classic anton viewers. Can't help but be helpful hahahha.
It's too bad they aren't sentient. They'll never know how old or amazing they are.
Thank you for another great video... an using the most hilarious stock video I know... where the model turns the lenses on the microscope and breaks the probe glass when forcing the last lens into position 🤣😂🤣 love your videos, always excited on what piece of fascinating new science you dug out today
Wonderful Anton...with your Wonderful Viewers...Happy Day!
Incredible! Looking forward to peer reviews. If shown to be alive, wonder if it can be determined if they evolved over that time or stayed the same?
@@Jin_world_changer Yes some insights into abiogenesis would be incredible.
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
@@Jin_world_changer Unfortunately, still a couple *billion* years off there. Still cool to have potential living organisms from a time when even sponges were pretty new and revolutionary.
I would think that as their environment is completely static, there are no evolutionary pressures at all. Also, I didn't see any reference to whether they think it may be an entire colony, or ecosystem with multiple types of organism, or merely a single organism that's "alive" but, presumably, operating at such a time scale that it's close to being in stasis. If something like the latter then, with no new generations, there is no evolution. Did he even mention any evidence that was provided that these are actually alive or is it merely speculation? I missed that bit.
An organism in a dormant state cannot evolve. It has to be able to reproduce.
This makes a Mars mission even more important
Yes and no. Considering how many geological samples and research we have so far and this being the only one example, it is highly unlikely to find something similar on mars - but you never no until you do, so. Yeah.
We already have such a mission.
Perseverance is taking samples with the explicit objective to look for signs or past or present life. That's why they are looking in an old river delta.
Once those samples are returned, we can check for similar inclusions like those in these halite crystals.
I miss Lego Mars Mission
Wishing you the best Anton, its wonderful to see the impact you are making. Thank you wonderful person!
I use to work on halophilic Archaea durning grade school. Along with many other types of extremophiles. The take home for me was, early life was/is extremely hardy and is probably present on any heavenly body with water in some shape or fashion.
Thank you Anton for making this wonderful episode!
@4:57 I cringed at the blind rotation of a microscope near touching the sample, and then it happened. lol great stock footage.
dude your thankful for following members outro, its longer than the credits after a box office
movie. thats effort/success.
youve done it bro..
Naturally forming Corundum, Rubys and Sapphires, very often have two phase inclusions. (Liquid and Gas). Not sure if anyone has gone down that road yet.
I hope you, and wife, are embracing the joy in the world again, soon. I hear/see you aren’t back to normal yet & I want your old joy and wonder back in your voice/face. Keep looking for it & you will find it. ❤️So much love to you both.❤️
We are sending you both blessings.
Love the stock footage showing a dolt adjusting the microscope to bust the slide due to it being too close... real professional. LOL
Could these salt samples that have locked away so far underground away from radiation for so long, have the possibility to contain the intact dna of these microbes? Or will it decay even without radiation?
Depending on what that DNA is made from, they very well could destroy themselves through radioactive decay. I watched a program from Issac Author (sp) discussing how sleeper space ships and cryogenic frozen people would eventually destroy themselves from internal radioactivity. Just my two cents.
Not only could they contain intact DNA, they could contain fully intact bacterial cells and organelles. 250 million year old bacterial spores have been revived from halite before. Eventually radiation and energy exchange could destroy the cells or DNA but this consideration could be rendered irrelevant on Earth timescales with the sufficient conditions (such as burial in sediment).
@@ustmissouri8029 *Isaac Arthur. Funnily enough, the "author" spelling does match his speech impediment quite well.
Yeah, DNA can also degrade by chemical processes
@@paavobergmann4920 We’re talking about organisms trapped in mineral crystals, its already implied they are shielded from chemical processes, otherwise they couldn’t be collected as samples anyway.
That moment at 5:00 when the stock footage hand breaks the stock footage slide with the stock footage objective.
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4:49 did the 40x lens crack the glass slide?? :-)
can there be a theoretical limit to a minimum amount of energy required for something to be alive? vs stasis? without material or energy from the outside it seems like millions of years would still add up to a significant requirement of input, esp if there is motion involved with this life. [also life tends to reproduce anywhere it can survive which would drive up energy usage]
Look up Béchamp's microzyma
Fascinating, almost as old as some of the microbes in my refrigerator~👍
Congrats on reaching 1 million!
Your video quality and understandability is awesome!
Keep doing what your doing!
Stay safe, stay sane, stay Strong Ukraine 🇺🇦
Dear Anton, if you read this comment, please let me know what your opinion is. I think that if those bacteria trapped in there were dead then surely there would not be any sign of decay as there would be no fungi, or other bacterium to decay them. Would the dead bacteria not just float around permanently preserved never to decay? Therefore, there being signs of decaying organic matter in those inclusions would imply the presence of various fungi, bacteria or oomycota.
I would love to hear your opinion on this!
Cracks open the tiny piece of Halite and a small piece of paper appears. "We've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty."
It was funny seeing the microscope lens pop the slide out of place.
There was a great writer of exploratory books about the world named Guy Murchie. I think he would’ve loved your work Anton and I bet you would appreciate his.
Something from that long ago is jaw dropping, awe inspiring.
I hope they are opening the samples in a biologically secure facility. Not only to avoid the environment contaminating the sample but also to avoid the sample contaminating the environment.
We don't know what it is, and until we do, erring on the side of caution is prudent.
Apart from that I hope they discover life. That would be incredible! Thanks Anton.
This is the same kind of salt that you sprinkle over your steak
Some people have indirectly hinted at the fact this can't be much of a problem because if someone found such an inclusion they must be quite common thus the salt you sprinkled on your food last night may well have had a similar inclusion. in other words this experiment has been done millions of times and no pandemic has ever come of it or perhaps it has and it is just part of life in the real world.
Season with salt to taste.
Anyone notice at 4:57 the microscope tech breaks the slide on half accidentally? Hope that want the 800M year old specimen lol
I live in Kansas, I can walk into my back yard and find decent sized chunks of clear gypsum that have pockets of water in them. Always wanted to check it out with a microscope...
Can we please start talking about treating these specimens as Level 5 biohazards?!
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
These microbes are so old our immune system can destroy them instantly they have to evolve to be able to defeat the immune system but these bacteria are 830 million years out of date so they are harmless they are so old there was probably not even any complex life to infect yet.
That's the closest to the primordial ooze we've seen so far.
Me:”Mom, ancient bacteria wants me to come out and play-can I “
Mom:”Be in by supper and wash your hands”
Anton recently I went down the rabbit hole of alternate science discoveries and things that should have more exposure when it comes to the origin of life and quantum relativity of time and sacred geometry and theology. Life is formed through abiology which is a unidirectional form of evolution. It lines up with how crystals are formed at the atomic level too. A lot of cultures use crystals to channel energy and I recently heard that "crystals are light made solid", and well, light IS energy. Also gnosticism believes that life has 4 stages/states: microbial, plant, animal, humanoid. My theory is that light being converted by crystals can create abiology through a transfer of energy that creates cells based on the materials. For a long time we used to think life can only be carbon based, but recently we discovered it could also be boron based, and I believe many more combinations are possible through controlled abiology. Really wish this would get more exposure!
Frickin mind-blowing I cannot get over the crazy idea that little dudes have been vibin for 800 million years.
Thx Anton, as a microbiologist, close to my heart!
A whole host of horror sci fi movies start just like this.
830 million years and living... well, then you can say "it can survive for BILLIONS of years" - just you wait😁
Great episode! Thanks Anton 👍
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
It's got to be a special relationship with salt, life has a way. Very interesting to hear about this. Thanks again
Still praying for you & your family Anton. Many marriages are very stressed after the loss of a child.
it's the tiniest terrarium you ever did see!
So now I have to wonder if I’m about to sprinkle some history changing evidence on my dinner.
It doesn't surprise me at all, being as with other Extreme-ophiles like Tardigrades, Anthrax, etc. having been frozen in Permafrost, OuterSpace etc. for Millenia, and still able to survive and even thrive. Like its been said so many times "life finds a way". And thanks once again Wonderful Anton for your work ethic when it comes to your channel.
Anton: Extreme ancient bacteria lives invincibly
Tardigrade: hold my beer
@@pauls5745 i dont think tardigrades can live up to nearly a billion years though.
Are we looking at a unknown isolated cycle of organic materials? It must use something as energy source for the ongoing movement of materials...
I've always been a big believer in panspermia as a hypothetical idea that can be expanded upon as time goes by and if we learn specific things about the processes of astrobiology and just how organic and non organic things interact with each other as a whole, over time, we can adapt the information the more scientific research that comes from any discovery that could be relevant to the subject.
2019: Ooooh that's so cool.
2022: Put it back. PUT. IT. BACK. NOW.
Thank you for your work
Imagine a life form eking out an existence inside of a chunk of salt for over 800 million years just to end it on a french fry.
Wonderful as always anton. Thank you. ☺️👍
No they can't be alive - for the same exact reason we can't have Jurassic Park: without repairs, DNA is fully disintegrated by background radiation in ~6 million years. Shame on you Anton for not knowing such basic concepts.
4:58 This stock footage is hilarious. 😂😂
How NOT to operate a microscope 101.
Holy _~bleeping bleepety bleep~_ that's incredibly cool! What we might be able to learn from this find!
Thanks for all you do, Anton!
panspermia proven yet? if these rock salt crystals followed a gravity assist path and speed similar to voyager 1, they could have travelled 50,000 light years in 830 million years, and reached 3/4 of the milky ways star systems
They'd still need to safely decelerate. Panspermia makes more sense if microbes can form in space.
No. These formed from salt from a dead sea compacting into halite as mentioned in the video. Absolutely terrestrial in origin.
This makes pamspermia more probable as a general concept, but to prove it in our case ONLY way is to find life relates to Earth life OUTSIDE the planet, not in a rock inside it.
It is like a message in a bottle, from a long time ago. We just need to figure out how to read it, without destroying it. Have they tried electron microscopes?
woah that is absolutely insane!
offtopic: if anyone earned the million subs - its you - huge belated congrats to that incredible achievement!
I'm gonna say it again I reckon there is life on Europa and Enceladus' oceans I'd even put a bet on it 😉 Ty Anton Top man 😇👏
As always, great video. Loved your earthquake light video. I've been talking to people for years about it. Now it's somewhat proven.
I just love the clip of the dude smashing the shit out of his test slide while going thru magnifications lol
Would that mean that DNA can survive for hundreds of millions
years?
IF they are still alive, they must still have their genetic material intact. They probably have some DNA-repair mechanisms in place.
If they are not alive anymore, the DNA is probably damaged or completely degraded.
The crystal at 2:52 reminds me of pyrite, one of the most amazingly gorgeous minerals I've ever seen. I used to own a chunk of it when I was a kid. I wish I hadn't got rid of it.
Scientist: Drills into sample, releasing ancient bacteria
Every Zombie Movie Evah: Told you so!!!
Amazing discovery! Pls follow up when further news comes along
Seriously want Microbes to be living, that would be awesome Anton! TFS, GB :)
Excellent Reporting 👍
Wait, I’m assuming these are fossilized? Are you saying they are still alive after hundreds of millions of years?
That's the implication but, at the concentration of salt, with nothing to respire or ingest for 800 million years other than salt, ya, these aren't alive. But they are quite possibly the oldest pickles in the known universe.
@@mrwashy2259 Well, there could be some way to drive a metabolism if they got some energy source. Radiation, maybe?
If they had a way to live of radiation, they could simply be spending all their lives in this bubble filled with salt water with a closed cycle of nutrients. If you construct it cleverly, you can have life with a material cycle in a tiny environment, but you need an energy source. That source is what interests me the most.
Its a closed habitat encased in the salty cristal. No one thing lives for that long (that we know of).
Luv your videos. Still sorry for your loss a while back. Keep up the good work.
Bacteria, "Hmm... I wonder if life has managed to take hold on that horrible 'surface' thing." Gets brought up from the mine, "Oh god no... they've DE-EVOLVED INTO HYOOMANS!!!"
;D
Another great video about science Anton.
Did the researchers find those single-celled inside micro-crystals only, or inside larger ones as well? This may have an impact on how much minerals and nutrients can diffuse in or out and allow respiration and metabolic activity.
Another possible explanation might be that the organism evolved inside this mineral is itself based on NaCl or simply "rock" lifeform
Put it in a freezer and look at it in 40 years. We do not want this now. Please 😂
Just don’t send it to Whuhan for study.
Didn't that movie The Thing start like this?