My brother, Paul was one of the Christ's greatest apostles. Paul's teachings are God inspired as he was taught by Christ himself. You can trust in his and his fellow apostles words because they are God inspired doctrines. God bless
Hi! @@rauldhulecalvinist48 Almighty God does not want women to teach and preach, or "usurp the authority" of men. He has forbidden it, for it is the Lord Christ himself who has given the command, through the apostle Paul. "As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. 36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored." 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) . As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments, for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded. The authentic humble "Daughters of Sarah" will be eager and pleased to obey. The rebellious daughters of the "Devil and his angels" will contend to do the very opposite. For they have come under the curse of God as has St. Paul has well warned they would be. " That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned." 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (GW)
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 The Christian community is divided over this sensitive matter. Some say yes, others say no. Why? Yes “Dr. Amy Orr-Ewing is a senior vice president with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries and Joint Director of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics.”1 She also pastors in a church, “Based in Oxford, England, where she pastors at Latimer Minster with her husband Francis…”2 Regarding the view that there are ‘silence passages’ in the Bible wherein women are instructed to not be authoritative over men, Amy, while speaking with Eternity News, said:3 Even Paul, who is often seen as a key obstacle to women’s progress in the church, accepted that women could teach and prophesy, she points out. “What’s interesting in 1 Corinthians where Paul mentions about women being silent in the church, two chapters earlier he’s talked about how women should behave when they prophesy, which means get up and speak in front of everyone. “So obviously, when he says be silent, he doesn’t mean all women for all time should never say anything. He turns to a specific group of women who are disrupting services and he’s asking them to be silent, but in general he’s saying when women do teach or prophesy in the church they should cover their hair. And the reason he says that is your hair was incredibly seductive; it would be like saying don’t wear an incredibly short skirt when you get up in front of people in church today. He’s not saying ‘don’t get up in front and prophesy.’” She said this is a classic example of people taking a verse out of context and applying it to everyone for all time. “It’s absolutely clear if you read the letter in its entirety that it doesn’t mean that,” she says. No Norman Geisler advocates for male church leadership (Emphasis Mine):4 …when understood in context, the “silence” passages are not negating the ministry of women, but are limiting the authority of women. Paul asserts that women were not permitted “to have authority over a man” (1 Tim. 2:12). Likewise, he follows his exhortation to “keep silent” by reminding them to be “submissive” (1 Cor. 14:34). Of course, men too were under authority and needed to submit to the headship of Christ over them (1 Cor. 11:3). Indeed, the ultimate proof that there is nothing degrading about being submissive is that Christ, who was God in human flesh, is always submissive to the Father, both on earth (Phil. 2:5-8) and even in heaven (1 Cor. 15:28). That male headship and leadership is not simply a cultural matter is evident by the fact that it is based on the very order of creation (1 Cor. 11:9; 1 Tim. 2:13). Thus, elders are to be men, “the husband of one wife” (1 Tim. 3:2). This, however, in no way demeans or diminishes the role of women, either in the family or in the church. The fact that men cannot have babies is not demeaning to their humanity or their role in the family. It is simply that God has not granted them this function, but a different one. Wayne Grudem is also of the opinion that women should not be pastors, “My own conclusion on this issue is that the Bible does not permit women to function in the role of pastor or elder within the church.”5 However, Wayne Grudem endorses the role of women in the various ministries of the church as long as that role precludes ruling and teaching functions. A woman can be a deacon (provided there is a pastor in that church), a treasurer, a counselor etc.6 Why Not? There should be no doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ elevated the status of women in the society:7 1. Although Jews would have no dealings with the Samaritans, particularly the blatant sinners among them, Jesus engaged the Samaritan woman in conversation because HE cared about her spiritual condition (John 4). 2. Jesus commended the woman with hemorrhage who touched the edge of HIS cloak for her faith (Matthew 9: 20-22). 3. Mary and Martha were among Jesus’ closest friends. 4. A woman anointed Jesus at Bethany (Matthew 26:6-13) would be remembered for her act of devotion whenever and wherever the gospel was preached (vv. 10-13). 5. Mary Magdalene was the first person to whom Jesus appeared following HIS resurrection, and HE instructed her to tell HIS disciples that HE has risen (John 20: 14-18). This list is partial. Women stand on the same footing as men in the sight of God, as far as salvation is concerned (Galatians 3:28). The context of this verse is the issue of justification by faith, the individual’s status before God in terms of personal righteousness (v. 27).8 Women have played a significant role in the kingdom of God:9 1. Miriam assisted Moses and led the Israelite women in singing and dancing after their escape from Egypt (Exodus 15: 20-21). 2. Deborah was the judge of Israel. Esther saved the Jewish people from destruction. 3. Women were seen at the cross (Luke 23: 49), they sought to anoint Jesus’ body (Luke 23: 55-56), they discovered the empty tomb, heard the message of the two angels, and conveyed the news to the apostles (Luke 24: 1-11). 4. Women were given the gift of prophecy (Isaiah 8:3; Acts 21:9; Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17; 1 Corinthians 11:5). 5. Paul commends Phoebe’s leadership (Romans 16:2). He speaks of Priscilla and Aquila as his ‘fellow workers’ in Christ Jesus (Romans 16:3-4). He speaks of Mary, Persis, Tryphena and Tryphosa as having worked very hard in the Lord (Romans 16: 6, 12). The fact that both men and women are created in the image of God should not be forgotten (Genesis 1: 26-27, 5: 1-2). The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 is adorned because she promotes the welfare of her family, does not constantly remain within the confines of her home, and she is engaged in trading and business affairs (vv. 18, 24).10 The Bible says that the woman was created to be a ‘helper’ to man. This does not relegate the woman to a position of insignificance or subservience. Rather the helper is thought to be as a co-worker or enabler.11 Having said this, let’s contemplate this matter from another angle. Would God be unhappy or angry if the church ordains women pastors? Would God not bless the church that has a woman as a senior pastor (cf. Psalm 145: 9; Nahum 1: 3; Matthew 5: 45; Luke 6: 35)? It is God who calls a person to be a pastor (Ephesians 4:11). So if a person, even if it is a woman, has that calling, who are we to say no? When we argue that a woman cannot be ordained as a pastor, are we claiming that God will not give that gift to women? Can we second-guess the sovereign God? Are we going to claim that since God’s word explicitly mentions that the overseer/pastor/elder ought to be a man, God will not contradict HIS words and hence not offer the spiritual gift of the pastoral office to a woman? The description of an overseer/elder/pastor is not a command from God; rather it is a guideline/teaching for the church governance. So to contest God’s sovereignty even in light of HIS written word may not be a good choice (cf. Romans 9: 15-26 & ‘Cessationism’). (Contesting the ordination of women pastors and thereby peacefully agreeing to disagree is one thing. But to contest the ordination of women pastors and dividing the church of Jesus Christ is entirely another thing altogether.) When a church ordains women pastors, it is not sinning against God. A woman who pastors in a church will not lose her salvation. If the woman in contention is a sincere disciple of the Lord, Spirit-filled and has the calling into the pastoral office, why should she not be ordained? Significantly, the doctrine of a woman pastoring a church is not an essential doctrine of Historic Christianity. If some churches ordain women as pastors, and if these women live up to their calling, then so be it. Why quarrel and divide the church over a theme that is non-essential? We have much bigger matters to be concerned about e.g. Science vs. Religion, Effects of Postmodernism and New Atheism, etc. So then, should I be a legalist and not espouse the ordination of women into the pastoral office? I would rather err on the side of grace than on the side of the law.
@@rauldhulecalvinist48 It''s divided because of the rise of the Satanic emergence or radical feminism in the 1970s. There was no great problem over this subject until then. In the 1950s many churches had hats for women so they could cover their heads before praying. And they remained silent in the church assemblies as the Lord has commanded them. ""As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should **remain silent in the churches**. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is **disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church**. 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored." 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) . As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments, for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded. See also: "11 Let the **woman learn in silence** with all subjection**. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, **but to be in silence.** 13 For **Adam was first formed**, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Tim 2:10-14 (KJV)
What does St. Paul declare: "They have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God" Romans 10:1-3 (ASV)
Yes, it is necessary to do this. But make sure that you do it from a pure heart: that the reasons why you do it is for the glory of God and out of a concern for his salvation. God be with you!
Thank you pastor for standing up for gods word. It is a qualified mans responsibility to lead the church to Christ through teaching and governance. This is why we need to pray earnestly for the protection and grace and power of god to rest upon them. Any woman who wants to upset this god given role is operating under the spirit of jezebel who emasculates men and takes their place and therefore needs to be surrounded by eunuchs.
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect," 1 Peter 3:15 Direct confrontation could make him look bad and wrong. It doesn't however make Christ look more desirable. Nothing works better than a living a life of love and gentleness towards people who do not agree with us and showing them how desirable the gospel is.. Hopefully this helps you brother.. :)
Brother, if Christ himself taught the apostles of elect everything they know and where later commissioned by the Christ himself to go into the world and bring fourth the gospel, we must understand that any and all doctrine that was taught throughout scripture is God inspired and is the word of God. As to answer you question pertaining Pauls letters to the churches, hebrews 13:8 comes to mind, it may have been directed towards them but its a message that never changes.
Almighty God does not want women to teach and preach, and "usurp the authority" of men. He has forbidden it, for it is the Lord Christ himself who has given the command, through the apostle Paul. "As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for *it is disgraceful for a woman* to speak in the church. 36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored." 1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) . As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments, for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded. The authentic humble "Daughters of Sarah" will be eager and pleased to obey. The rebellious daughters of the "Devil and his angels" will contend to do the very opposite. For they have come under the curse of God as has St. Paul has well warned they would be. " That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned." 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (GW)
It was the voice of Christ that speaks through the prophets in the Old Testament and Apostles in the New Testament. Jesus Himself gave instructions to Moses regarding ordination of elders,pastors, priests, bishops, and church leadership in the five books of Moses, which Paul was quoting from. Paul have no right to say anything different from the principles already established by God ie Christ Himself in the Old testament, thus Christ did not ordained women in the New Testament. He choose 12 men to be apostles. One killed himself, Judas, and Jesus came down from heaven to appoint Paul to replace Judas. After Christ appointed the original 12, He later appointed 70 elders. Did Jesus forgot that there were women disciples among His followers? No, of course not. The role of leadership, priests, elders, pastors, and bishops are set aside by God Himself for men, because the man Adam was created to represent the man Christ Jesus who gave Himself for the church, and the woman Eve, represent the church. The woman was given an important role, support the man and care for the home, especially the children. It is Christ prerogative to establish church order, not the church to tell God that He has forgotten about women. Most of the denomination churches today are following the ecumenical agenda of inclusiveness and political correctness that have NOTHING to do with the Scriptures, and the majority of Christianity is using the Scriptures to support their errors.To say that Jesus did not say that women should not be ordained as pastors or elders is to put a different meaning to the word of God and stretching it to suit man's intentions.
All of this yet not one mention of context. You my friend are what is called a traditionalist and a literalist. When you read 1 Timothy 2:11-15, you’ll understand the issue around female teaching and leadership differently. Also when you understand that the ancient Greek language did not have feminine pronouns, it’ll help you understand more easier
@@isimaiguisi1229 Paul did not ignore God's instructions in Old Testament regarding leadership. Greeks was a later civilization then Hebrew. God ordain men. Read Numbers, better still, read Genesis to start with. Why did Jesus choose 12 men as Apostles, yet about 65% of His disciples are women? Was He ignorant of OT principles? The woman was ordain to do a very important work, far more important than the man's, ie the upbringing of a child at home. The same Bible says that women will be saved by child bearing, 1Tim 2:15. Samuel's mother, Jesus mother, and many others understand this principle. The critical years of a child's life is conception to 5 yrs old, and this is where good and bad habits are developed, thus the most important work of salvation is given by God to women. Habits established at this critical period of a child's life will determine his/her character. Jesus spend more time in healing than preaching, and also more time in home ministry than public, because the home, and more especially, the MOTHER'S work or women's responsibility is far more important than men's. True Christianity stars from the home. My point is simple. Public ministry is men's responsibility, particularly leadership. Additionally, there is accountability for the lives that one leads, would a woman die for the lives of the church she leads? There's coming a time when the Lord will require an account of the lives of those led by leaders, and God will punish accordingly. Thank you for your comment anyway my Brother, God Bless
@@isimaiguisi1229 What is the context when church leadership removes the context of creation. Man was created before woman, "context", it was the man Christ Jesus that died at the cross, "context" and Apostle Paul said in the our discussion passage 1Tim 2:12, a "woman not to usurp authority over the man", "context". So, what is context ?Either we take the word of God, spoken by the Spirit in the human words of Paul, or the words of man. When the church redefine the word of God to suit the so called, politically correct of the day, the context of Scriptures is blown out CONTEXT.
No...Simply love him, and pray for him. I also would no longer teach with a raised voice....simply teach those that are their, and wait for him to join you.
like yuri303030 implies, it has to be done in love. And your authority/reference is the scripture - not what someone else says. Ensure that that is where your allegiance lies. Finally, the scripture speaks of prayer as our most effective tool in disseminating truth.
we, this is all of us, are called to profess Christ, you can reach out to him by proclaiming biblical truth, you can challenge him with verses that contradict his beliefs and ask him questions about his belief. by this you confront him with God and his truth, not with yourself and your convictions, if you get my point.. .
I agree with that. However don't you think that when Paul was writing (inspired by the Holy Spirit) his letters to the churches and individuals he was writing to them specifically and not the church of the 21st century? While Jesus spoke knowing the future generations and churches (including our times)? That is why I asked if Jesus specifically said anything regarding this issue.
Yegor Lyashenko Then what are to make of forbidding sex before marriage in a Christian context. Does that only apply to the first century amd not the 21st? I understand your question but the issue is not 'time in history'.
I think I agree with Yegor. On some issues we move with the times...eg in Paul's time it was okay to own slaves...but in our times it's illegal. In our times women are taking leadership roles, even becoming presidents..The LORD says in Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest." In these days, This Scripture has been fulfilled, no one needs to tell you that slavery is wrong..even if The Bible Endorsed it...you just know it is wrong! These are the days of Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: These are the times of The SPIRIT, Whoever has The HOLY SPIRIT of GOD, should lead.
Do you think Paul spoke on his own concerning this matter friend. I know its 6 years later but I just seen your question and this question came to me. So I do hope this helps
Ideally this is so, in reality it can’t be limited to men . Not all families have male figures in the home. Men have largely abandoned their responsibilities in the Church by not being present. Women have been and continue to be the stable figures in the Church universal. Secondly Paul wrote a deacon was to be a man of one wife also yet he designated Phoebe a deacon not a deaconess. So Paul is contradicting himself or we have to take his letter to Timothy in context with where they were and the culture at that time. Men don’t get to abandon their responsibilities and position then tie Yahweh’s hands with a Scripture they won’t adhere to. Show up and be who Yahweh made men to be instead of agreeing with videos such as these because God’s plan of redemption didn’t stop due to your absence and disobedience
None of this matters . . . Its clear that women dont mean anything. They're not the spiritual equals to men except in salvation. Jesus never chose a female apostle or disciple so . . . What does that tell you?
@@moliver2281 I'm sorry, I wrote this when I was very depressed about this issue because as a woman felt incredibly worthless to God. I felt like we were only put here for men. I'm still struggling but completely forgot I even wrote this comment. Edit: spelling
@@contrarian9999 don't let these comments get you down. Just isolate all of Jesus' interactions with women. It really is incredible how He lifted us up and loved us. He entered the world physically through a woman. He broke societal rules in regards to women. He told a woman to spread the news of His resurrection. These were not accidental events.
My brother, Paul was one of the Christ's greatest apostles. Paul's teachings are God inspired as he was taught by Christ himself. You can trust in his and his fellow apostles words because they are God inspired doctrines. God bless
Women can become pastors
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I thank God that Pastor Piper doesn't subvert God's Word to the religion of political correctness as so many "Christian" churches do.
Women can become pastors
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Hi! @@rauldhulecalvinist48
Almighty God does not want women to teach and preach, or "usurp the authority" of
men.
He has forbidden it, for it is the Lord Christ himself who has given the
command, through the apostle Paul.
"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in
the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as
the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask
their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in
the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has
reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let
him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.
38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored."
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) .
As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments,
for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded.
The authentic humble "Daughters of Sarah" will be eager and pleased to obey.
The rebellious daughters of the "Devil and his angels" will contend to do
the
very opposite.
For they have come under the curse of God as has St. Paul has well warned
they would be.
" That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will
believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was
delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned."
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (GW)
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332
The Christian community is divided over this sensitive matter. Some say yes, others say no.
Why?
Yes
“Dr. Amy Orr-Ewing is a senior vice president with Ravi Zacharias International Ministries and Joint Director of the Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics.”1 She also pastors in a church, “Based in Oxford, England, where she pastors at Latimer Minster with her husband Francis…”2
Regarding the view that there are ‘silence passages’ in the Bible wherein women are instructed to not be authoritative over men, Amy, while speaking with Eternity News, said:3
Even Paul, who is often seen as a key obstacle to women’s progress in the church, accepted that women could teach and prophesy, she points out.
“What’s interesting in 1 Corinthians where Paul mentions about women being silent in the church, two chapters earlier he’s talked about how women should behave when they prophesy, which means get up and speak in front of everyone.
“So obviously, when he says be silent, he doesn’t mean all women for all time should never say anything. He turns to a specific group of women who are disrupting services and he’s asking them to be silent, but in general he’s saying when women do teach or prophesy in the church they should cover their hair. And the reason he says that is your hair was incredibly seductive; it would be like saying don’t wear an incredibly short skirt when you get up in front of people in church today. He’s not saying ‘don’t get up in front and prophesy.’”
She said this is a classic example of people taking a verse out of context and applying it to everyone for all time.
“It’s absolutely clear if you read the letter in its entirety that it doesn’t mean that,” she says.
No
Norman Geisler advocates for male church leadership (Emphasis Mine):4
…when understood in context, the “silence” passages are not negating the ministry of women, but are limiting the authority of women. Paul asserts that women were not permitted “to have authority over a man” (1 Tim. 2:12). Likewise, he follows his exhortation to “keep silent” by reminding them to be “submissive” (1 Cor. 14:34). Of course, men too were under authority and needed to submit to the headship of Christ over them (1 Cor. 11:3). Indeed, the ultimate proof that there is nothing degrading about being submissive is that Christ, who was God in human flesh, is always submissive to the Father, both on earth (Phil. 2:5-8) and even in heaven (1 Cor. 15:28). That male headship and leadership is not simply a cultural matter is evident by the fact that it is based on the very order of creation (1 Cor. 11:9; 1 Tim. 2:13). Thus, elders are to be men, “the husband of one wife” (1 Tim. 3:2). This, however, in no way demeans or diminishes the role of women, either in the family or in the church. The fact that men cannot have babies is not demeaning to their humanity or their role in the family. It is simply that God has not granted them this function, but a different one.
Wayne Grudem is also of the opinion that women should not be pastors, “My own conclusion on this issue is that the Bible does not permit women to function in the role of pastor or elder within the church.”5
However, Wayne Grudem endorses the role of women in the various ministries of the church as long as that role precludes ruling and teaching functions. A woman can be a deacon (provided there is a pastor in that church), a treasurer, a counselor etc.6
Why Not?
There should be no doubt whatsoever that Jesus Christ elevated the status of women in the society:7
1. Although Jews would have no dealings with the Samaritans, particularly the blatant sinners among them, Jesus engaged the Samaritan woman in conversation because HE cared about her spiritual condition (John 4).
2. Jesus commended the woman with hemorrhage who touched the edge of HIS cloak for her faith (Matthew 9: 20-22).
3. Mary and Martha were among Jesus’ closest friends.
4. A woman anointed Jesus at Bethany (Matthew 26:6-13) would be remembered for her act of devotion whenever and wherever the gospel was preached (vv. 10-13).
5. Mary Magdalene was the first person to whom Jesus appeared following HIS resurrection, and HE instructed her to tell HIS disciples that HE has risen (John 20: 14-18).
This list is partial.
Women stand on the same footing as men in the sight of God, as far as salvation is concerned (Galatians 3:28). The context of this verse is the issue of justification by faith, the individual’s status before God in terms of personal righteousness (v. 27).8
Women have played a significant role in the kingdom of God:9
1. Miriam assisted Moses and led the Israelite women in singing and dancing after their escape from Egypt (Exodus 15: 20-21).
2. Deborah was the judge of Israel. Esther saved the Jewish people from destruction.
3. Women were seen at the cross (Luke 23: 49), they sought to anoint Jesus’ body (Luke 23: 55-56), they discovered the empty tomb, heard the message of the two angels, and conveyed the news to the apostles (Luke 24: 1-11).
4. Women were given the gift of prophecy (Isaiah 8:3; Acts 21:9; Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17; 1 Corinthians 11:5).
5. Paul commends Phoebe’s leadership (Romans 16:2). He speaks of Priscilla and Aquila as his ‘fellow workers’ in Christ Jesus (Romans 16:3-4). He speaks of Mary, Persis, Tryphena and Tryphosa as having worked very hard in the Lord (Romans 16: 6, 12).
The fact that both men and women are created in the image of God should not be forgotten (Genesis 1: 26-27, 5: 1-2).
The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 is adorned because she promotes the welfare of her family, does not constantly remain within the confines of her home, and she is engaged in trading and business affairs (vv. 18, 24).10
The Bible says that the woman was created to be a ‘helper’ to man. This does not relegate the woman to a position of insignificance or subservience. Rather the helper is thought to be as a co-worker or enabler.11
Having said this, let’s contemplate this matter from another angle.
Would God be unhappy or angry if the church ordains women pastors?
Would God not bless the church that has a woman as a senior pastor (cf. Psalm 145: 9; Nahum 1: 3; Matthew 5: 45; Luke 6: 35)?
It is God who calls a person to be a pastor (Ephesians 4:11). So if a person, even if it is a woman, has that calling, who are we to say no?
When we argue that a woman cannot be ordained as a pastor, are we claiming that God will not give that gift to women? Can we second-guess the sovereign God?
Are we going to claim that since God’s word explicitly mentions that the overseer/pastor/elder ought to be a man, God will not contradict HIS words and hence not offer the spiritual gift of the pastoral office to a woman?
The description of an overseer/elder/pastor is not a command from God; rather it is a guideline/teaching for the church governance.
So to contest God’s sovereignty even in light of HIS written word may not be a good choice (cf. Romans 9: 15-26 & ‘Cessationism’). (Contesting the ordination of women pastors and thereby peacefully agreeing to disagree is one thing. But to contest the ordination of women pastors and dividing the church of Jesus Christ is entirely another thing altogether.)
When a church ordains women pastors, it is not sinning against God. A woman who pastors in a church will not lose her salvation.
If the woman in contention is a sincere disciple of the Lord, Spirit-filled and has the calling into the pastoral office, why should she not be ordained?
Significantly, the doctrine of a woman pastoring a church is not an essential doctrine of Historic Christianity. If some churches ordain women as pastors, and if these women live up to their calling, then so be it.
Why quarrel and divide the church over a theme that is non-essential? We have much bigger matters to be concerned about e.g. Science vs. Religion, Effects of Postmodernism and New Atheism, etc.
So then, should I be a legalist and not espouse the ordination of women into the pastoral office?
I would rather err on the side of grace than on the side of the law.
@@rauldhulecalvinist48
It''s divided because of the rise of the Satanic emergence or radical feminism in the 1970s.
There was no great problem over this subject until then.
In the 1950s many churches had hats for women so they could cover their heads before praying. And they remained silent in the church assemblies as the Lord has commanded them.
""As in all the congregations of the saints,
34 women should **remain silent in
the churches**. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as
the Law says.
35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask
their own husbands at home;
for it is **disgraceful for a woman to speak in
the church**.
37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let
him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.
38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored."
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) .
As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments,
for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded.
See also: "11 Let the **woman learn in silence** with all subjection**.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, **but to be in silence.**
13 For **Adam was first formed**, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression"
1 Tim 2:10-14 (KJV)
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 i agree that women do not take Eldership but please don't be a sexist
I love Pastor John's enthusiasm. :)
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What does St. Paul declare:
"They have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God"
Romans 10:1-3 (ASV)
Yes, it is necessary to do this. But make sure that you do it from a pure heart: that the reasons why you do it is for the glory of God and out of a concern for his salvation. God be with you!
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i agree.. prayer plus a correct & loving lifestyle is the best u can do with a person having that kind of mindset
Thank you pastor for standing up for gods word. It is a qualified mans responsibility to lead the church to Christ through teaching and governance. This is why we need to pray earnestly for the protection and grace and power of god to rest upon them. Any woman who wants to upset this god given role is operating under the spirit of jezebel who emasculates men and takes their place and therefore needs to be surrounded by eunuchs.
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"
1 Peter 3:15
Direct confrontation could make him look bad and wrong. It doesn't however make Christ look more desirable. Nothing works better than a living a life of love and gentleness towards people who do not agree with us and showing them how desirable the gospel is.. Hopefully this helps you brother.. :)
The closing statement says it all.
Brother, if Christ himself taught the apostles of elect everything they know and where later commissioned by the Christ himself to go into the world and bring fourth the gospel, we must understand that any and all doctrine that was taught throughout scripture is God inspired and is the word of God. As to answer you question pertaining Pauls letters to the churches, hebrews 13:8 comes to mind, it may have been directed towards them but its a message that never changes.
Almighty God does not want women to teach and preach, and "usurp the authority" of
men.
He has forbidden it, for it is the Lord Christ himself who has given the
command, through the apostle Paul.
"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in
the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as
the Law says. 35 If they want to enquire about something, they should ask
their own husbands at home; for *it is disgraceful for a woman* to speak in
the church.
36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has
reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, *let
him acknowledge* that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command.
38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored."
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 (ANIV) .
As it is the Lord's command, that is the end of all rebellious arguments,
for they run opposite to what the Lord himself has commanded.
The authentic humble "Daughters of Sarah" will be eager and pleased to obey.
The rebellious daughters of the "Devil and his angels" will contend to do
the
very opposite.
For they have come under the curse of God as has St. Paul has well warned
they would be.
" That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will
believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was
delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned."
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 (GW)
It was the voice of Christ that speaks through the prophets in the Old Testament and Apostles in the New Testament. Jesus Himself gave instructions to Moses regarding ordination of elders,pastors, priests, bishops, and church leadership in the five books of Moses, which Paul was quoting from. Paul have no right to say anything different from the principles already established by God ie Christ Himself in the Old testament, thus Christ did not ordained women in the New Testament. He choose 12 men to be apostles. One killed himself, Judas, and Jesus came down from heaven to appoint Paul to replace Judas. After Christ appointed the original 12, He later appointed 70 elders. Did Jesus forgot that there were women disciples among His followers? No, of course not. The role of leadership, priests, elders, pastors, and bishops are set aside by God Himself for men, because the man Adam was created to represent the man Christ Jesus who gave Himself for the church, and the woman Eve, represent the church. The woman was given an important role, support the man and care for the home, especially the children. It is Christ prerogative to establish church order, not the church to tell God that He has forgotten about women. Most of the denomination churches today are following the ecumenical agenda of inclusiveness and political correctness that have NOTHING to do with the Scriptures, and the majority of Christianity is using the Scriptures to support their errors.To say that Jesus did not say that women should not be ordained as pastors or elders is to put a different meaning to the word of God and stretching it to suit man's intentions.
All of this yet not one mention of context. You my friend are what is called a traditionalist and a literalist. When you read 1 Timothy 2:11-15, you’ll understand the issue around female teaching and leadership differently. Also when you understand that the ancient Greek language did not have feminine pronouns, it’ll help you understand more easier
@@isimaiguisi1229 Paul did not ignore God's instructions in Old Testament regarding leadership. Greeks was a later civilization then Hebrew. God ordain men. Read Numbers, better still, read Genesis to start with.
Why did Jesus choose 12 men as Apostles, yet about 65% of His disciples are women? Was He ignorant of OT principles? The woman was ordain to do a very important work, far more important than the man's, ie the upbringing of a child at home. The same Bible says that women will be saved by child bearing, 1Tim 2:15. Samuel's mother, Jesus mother, and many others understand this principle. The critical years of a child's life is conception to 5 yrs old, and this is where good and bad habits are developed, thus the most important work of salvation is given by God to women. Habits established at this critical period of a child's life will determine his/her character. Jesus spend more time in healing than preaching, and also more time in home ministry than public, because the home, and more especially, the MOTHER'S work or women's responsibility is far more important than men's. True Christianity stars from the home. My point is simple. Public ministry is men's responsibility, particularly leadership. Additionally, there is accountability for the lives that one leads, would a woman die for the lives of the church she leads? There's coming a time when the Lord will require an account of the lives of those led by leaders, and God will punish accordingly. Thank you for your comment anyway my Brother, God Bless
@@isimaiguisi1229 What is the context when church leadership removes the context of creation. Man was created before woman, "context", it was the man Christ Jesus that died at the cross, "context" and Apostle Paul said in the our discussion passage 1Tim 2:12, a "woman not to usurp authority over the man", "context". So, what is context ?Either we take the word of God, spoken by the Spirit in the human words of Paul, or the words of man. When the church redefine the word of God to suit the so called, politically correct of the day, the context of Scriptures is blown out CONTEXT.
Great video! Who is everyone's favorite Gentile apostle?
No...Simply love him, and pray for him. I also would no longer teach with a raised voice....simply teach those that are their, and wait for him to join you.
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like yuri303030 implies, it has to be done in love. And your authority/reference is the scripture - not what someone else says. Ensure that that is where your allegiance lies. Finally, the scripture speaks of prayer as our most effective tool in disseminating truth.
we, this is all of us, are called to profess Christ, you can reach out to him by proclaiming biblical truth, you can challenge him with verses that contradict his beliefs and ask him questions about his belief.
by this you confront him with God and his truth, not with yourself and your convictions, if you get my point..
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I agree with that. However don't you think that when Paul was writing (inspired by the Holy Spirit) his letters to the churches and individuals he was writing to them specifically and not the church of the 21st century? While Jesus spoke knowing the future generations and churches (including our times)? That is why I asked if Jesus specifically said anything regarding this issue.
Yegor Lyashenko Then what are to make of forbidding sex before marriage in a Christian context. Does that only apply to the first century amd not the 21st?
I understand your question but the issue is not 'time in history'.
1969cmp exactly if one asks of its application to this time one must questions all commands given for church conduct
I think I agree with Yegor. On some issues we move with the times...eg in Paul's time it was okay to own slaves...but in our times it's illegal. In our times women are taking leadership roles, even becoming presidents..The LORD says in Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest."
In these days, This Scripture has been fulfilled, no one needs to tell you that slavery is wrong..even if The Bible Endorsed it...you just know it is wrong!
These are the days of Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
These are the times of The SPIRIT, Whoever has The HOLY SPIRIT of GOD, should lead.
Which sermon is this from?
I know Paul did but did Jesus specifically saying anything on this subject matter? I'm curious.
Do you think Paul spoke on his own concerning this matter friend. I know its 6 years later but I just seen your question and this question came to me. So I do hope this helps
Ideally this is so, in reality it can’t be limited to men . Not all families have male figures in the home. Men have largely abandoned their responsibilities in the Church by not being present. Women have been and continue to be the stable figures in the Church universal. Secondly Paul wrote a deacon was to be a man of one wife also yet he designated Phoebe a deacon not a deaconess. So Paul is contradicting himself or we have to take his letter to Timothy in context with where they were and the culture at that time. Men don’t get to abandon their responsibilities and position then tie Yahweh’s hands with a Scripture they won’t adhere to. Show up and be who Yahweh made men to be instead of agreeing with videos such as these because God’s plan of redemption didn’t stop due to your absence and disobedience
None of this matters . . . Its clear that women dont mean anything. They're not the spiritual equals to men except in salvation. Jesus never chose a female apostle or disciple so . . . What does that tell you?
Jade Lee ‘none of this matters’ mean you can’t counter.
@@moliver2281 I'm sorry, I wrote this when I was very depressed about this issue because as a woman felt incredibly worthless to God. I felt like we were only put here for men. I'm still struggling but completely forgot I even wrote this comment.
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@@contrarian9999 don't let these comments get you down. Just isolate all of Jesus' interactions with women. It really is incredible how He lifted us up and loved us. He entered the world physically through a woman. He broke societal rules in regards to women. He told a woman to spread the news of His resurrection. These were not accidental events.
@@katym.8250 I love Jesus but I am growing to despise men.