Callers debate new free speech protections against blasphemy claims | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- After a Batley Grammar School RE teacher went into hiding amid protests against him showing pupils a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad in 2021, teachers will be receiving free speech protections from blasphemy claims by religious groups.
Ali Miraj spoke to to caller Donna who supports the protection for teachers, saying she will 'stand up and defend' the UK's democracy.
Caller Zalay phoned in next, to debate with the presenter on the presence of Islamophobia in the UK.
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The UK is a secular country, the majority of the population are non- religious, we do not have any blasphemy laws & we never will.
Give me a break, the hypocrisy is completely overwhelming. Israel and Palestine is a political issue and has been from the formation of it, and for the last 7 months the term “ from the R to the S Palestine will be free” is been called antisemitic. Yet he won’t say how anti democratic it is to stop that speech.
Fingers crossed!
Yep, we put a stop to that, and we will put a stop to this if they carry on !
to heck with that! we must return back to traditional british values, and bring back the druids
Absolutely brilliant call by Zalay calling out Ali Mirajs hypocrisy
Everyone has the right to believe in whatever set of outdated nonsense they choose too & Everyone else has the right to call them out on it, that is true freedom, along with the freedom of religion comes the freedom not to believe. A democracy is based on the wishes of the majority & as the majority of people in the UK are non-religious be very thankful that you are given the right to belive whatever you like because not every country on the planet gives everyone such rights to choose.
A true democracy but this is not the case because if you say anything about the Jew which means Judaism which also means a religion they call you antisemitic and you could be arrested for it,
Also, there is a law against hate speech
I'm an athiest, and I don't like offending people if it's not necessary, but I will not be told I cannot criticise other peoples religion when it has a bearing on my life or the society I'm a part of.
Very well said.
Because a race you DON'T choose and religion you can. So, anything that can be chosen, can be criticised!
Ahh, you done gone done it now!
Ya just walked into a bar, said what you said, and the two big dudes sat hunched over at the back, locally know as "Indoctrination" and "ignorance of critical thinking," just stood up and rolled their sleeves up😕
@@theme6590 😉😎
@@theme6590
You going to elaborate then?
" We are trying too hard to be all things to all people" Absolutely Correct!!
The problem with blasphemy laws is that to apply them equally you'd have to charge everyone. After all one person's profession of faith is blasphemy to another.
No to blasphemy laws. Freedom of expression means everyone should be free to criticise any religion or ideology.
except Judaism, because that is called antisemitic there is a law against that.
Blasphemy laws have no place in a modern society. You have no right to not be offended.
But you do?
Stop 🛑 insulting others people religion then
@@SuzanJake Critising a religion for its practices isn't insulting a religion.
What are blasphemy laws?
Ahh yes, dont make fun of my imaginary friends!
This man has absolutely no understanding of the concept of free speech. Regulations must be content-neutral. Any regulation that prevents “giving offense” is inherently oppressive.
It's already happening say something against Judaism and you get arrested for antisemitic
The trouble is for many religions simply disagreeing with their premise is blasphemy. And when those religions have power that leads to repercussions. Being an atheist in some parts of the US is not actually dangerous but is barely tolerated and can cost your job. In Afghanistan it can cost your life. Time and place determine how dangerous it is, but at the core of organised religion is coercion.
Yes - the "land of the free" theoretically has free speech, but try stating that you're an atheist in a small Bible Belt town and see what happens... Americans have a blind spot regarding that, I think!
Title VII of the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects employees and job applicants from discrimination based on religion.
I don't want blasphemy laws, I agree but I also DO NOT want a govt holding power over me regarding how I view and understand the actions of a group or entity they have decided to politically proscibe-a govt shouldn't control my thoughts or how I chose to express those thoughts...
People talk about secular countries like the UK and America but we are ignoring that the right wing in the latter want a Christian sharia system.
we are a secular society, dont like it? leave
Bruv, where are they supposed to go? If someone only has a British passport, can they just rock up in another country and expect to be welcomed with open arms? I know you're not a fan of people coming to England in small boats, but if you feel that strongly about it, you should be at the front of the queue to welcome them. But guess what, mate? They don't want to live in my country, they want to live in the UK, that's why they're coming here. And I don't see anyone opening the ports and inviting them in.
When in Rome, ...
First childish comment of the day
@@murpheousagbokhaiogbonna3534 wow, you read a lot into my statement didnt you mr straw man? im simply talking about blasphemy. fk all to do with boats. im not even anti immigration.
Secularism has a different meaning Equal rights or none,
Flying the PaIestinian flag in Germany will get you arrested
Nonsense
You'll want to recheck your stance.
Why would you be flying the flag of a different country? Kind of disrespectful to the place that took you in.
@@robknight1304 what's your problem? Why is flying a flag disrespectful.
Can Welsh people in England fly a Welsh flag?
What you on about.
Zionazis
How does a British citizen with no links to any other country, pick up and just move to Saudi or Pakistan, that is ridiculous. I personally have no interest in seeking to offend any group, and if I did then I can’t complain about the backlash causing me to go into hiding. The teacher did what they did knowing full well the hurt it would cause but they chose to take that stand. It’s a sad society we live in when we get up in the morning with the intention to cause harm.
How secular is this society really when I can’t go to the supermarket on Easter Sunday and Christmas Day.
My beliefs are mine and yours are yours, let’s leave it at that.
Great call Ali. Thanks for discussing such a topic and defending Britain as a secular democracy.
A very balanced view from an English man.
Wait a minute. The presenter leaves off with a clear bias between the two callers, he literally delegitimised his own point. In a democracy, your religion and faith (or lack thereof) should be respected. By stating they shouldn’t be respected, or for example teacher that may feel uncomfortable putting up photos of Mohammed or whatever should do so for a lesson, you’ve taken away the right of the teacher.
You’ve argued for a country where the rights of those to practice their religion and faith peacefully is not respected.
No religion has to be respected in a free society.
No your right to have a religion is respected. The religion itself does not need to be respected and should be allowed to be ridiculed there is a difference. In a secular society we treat a religion as a set of ideas, not inalienable truths.
Sorry I can't afford to run away to saudi Arabia. What should I do instead?
Go and live in London.
Free speech is free speech. u should be able to voice your opinion in any way you like. simple as that
There is no first amendment in the UK. So free speech is not a thing.
Not really. That's a very narrow-minded view. What if you have an irrational hate of a group of individuals because of their race, religion, gender, orientation etc, do you think you should be allowed to speak that negative prejudice? There have to be boundaries to free speech. It does not give the right to break other laws that are in place
@@drcommonsense1 laws that restrict freedom of speech should not be in place. If you get offended by someones vieuw on your religion, etnicity gender etc. Then thats on you. As long as it pure speech you are offended by, there should be not a single law to stop that. People should be free to voice their opinion without being insulted or banned from anything and maybe then opposing partys can actually have open discussions about their vieuws without EITHER side feeling opressed, wich is what u are advocating for. At least it sounds like that if you want there to be laws restricting a certain believe or vieuw that basicly says: if you think there are 2 genders you get cancelled or whatever. People should always be able to critizise anything they want
@@deltazeroks so if I am born with an ethnicity I have absolutely NO control over you think it is OK for people to mock me and spread negative things about me because of this uncontrollable attribute?
🙄🙄🙄
What is this how is double standard acceptable no body accepts making fun of Jesus is ok but making fun of Muhammad ﷺ is fair game ? That’s democracy I suppose
Give over, the Jesus jokes are coming, that's nailed on.
Both are very funny 😂😂😂😂!!!!
You must not live in the UK if you think that is true!
Your point falls flat when you can make fun of Jesus.
People make fun of Jesus regularly.
This debate is a moot point. Religion is a protected characteristic under The Equality Act 2010. End of discussion.
If you want anti-trans laws, should the response not be the same?
Yet "criticise our ally"??? Free speech??
Freedom of speech isn't the right to offend, it is the right to say something which 'may' cause offence. A subtle yet important distinction IMO.
Is it or isn't it, make your mind up, it can't be both, freedom means being free to say whatever and be prepared to defend yourself, if you can't, don't say it.
When you get legally fired from job for criticizing lsraeI, that is a blasphemy law
No it was for pushing Hamas propaganda.
@@spooky1304 such as?
@@spooky1304 Example?
No, it's not.
No your just full of hatred!
Blasphemy Law was only revoked in 2008 in England and Wales.
The Muslim caller was spot on about the double standards. The lady had a central point but showed her prejudice. She didn’t give an example of homophobia or antisemitism only blasphemy. I wonder does she feel the same about LGBT or trans or speech about Israel ?
Being Jewish is a race as well as a religion. Sexuality is innate.
Jewish is not a race, there are Black African, Arab, Asian, and white European Jews.
See how fast that male caller went to insult and aggression… that ladies and gentlemen is the problem.
"Donna" is right.
The laws are against hate incidents that are intended to incite violence. Blasphemy laws are a first step towards intolerance.
People don't choose things such as what they're attracted to, the colour of their skin, or being disfigured, but people do choose to believe in magical sky daddies, and it's only fair to be able to mock things that people choose to believe. especially so when there's not a shred of evidence to support those beliefs.
Why would anyone seek to 'mock' random subsets of society anyhow? Just get on with your life lad
@@tomthomas3975 I don't mean mock the individual, I meant mock their beliefs, and if they're offended by that, then tough.
@David_Bower I don't agree. People lose sight of what freedom of speech is. It does not give you the right to break other laws. Hate crimes can escalate because people don't understand the impact of their actions and words.
Human rights laws are also very clear on the topic of religion. Personally, I've never been affected negatively by a religious act or principle in my life. Grew up in London surrounded by lots of cultures and backgrounds. Never seen it an issue. Have you been negatively affected by someone's religious belief?
There's very little to no free speech in the UK, you're confusing and conflating the UK with the US which has constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech, which doesn't actually exist in the UK!
“ HAPPY PEOPLE DO NOT DEMONSTRATE “🤣
To expect people to be nice and polite and sweet in a DEMONSTRATIONS is honestly a fantasy
Donna you are an asset that must be protected at all costs. I also agree that whilst i may not agree with what you say, i will 100% defend peoples rights to say it.
Miss Donna you are a dying breed and a true warrior poet
The UK is a secular country, everyone has the privilege of being able to believe or not believe in any religion they choose, everyone regardless of whether they were born here or notalso has the option to leave any time they choose if they don't want to accept that.
The option to move easily to another country is a myth.
@@safwahk3833 Nobody is stopping anyone from leaving, the ports and airports are working as normal.
Is it now? And here I thought that King Charles is not only head of state but also head of the Anglican Church. I was not aware that they changed that one! 🤔
@@50043211 I'm not talking about the outdated institution of the monarchy, I'm talking about the general population of the UK , us peasants.
It's always people that decide what is blasphemous. Never one of our imaginary gods, they surely would teach forgiveness.
The host did a terrible job of communicating his point. He left the collar in the exact same place he was in before, and he did no work to try to influence him on his position.
All religions and religious people need to learn some science and grow the F up
A democracy does not mean the right to offend. However, neither does it give anyone a right to curtail how others can express themselves!
'Go back to' or 'go live in' are two entirely different statements and so glad to hear a common sense debate differentiating between Islamophobia and anti-Muslim bigotry. Donna was spot on and kudos to the presenter for allowing her to clarify her position without judgement. Religion poisons everything - if allowed to. And using it to erode free speech is the tip of a particularly dangerous iceberg. As the second caller was only too eager to demonstrate.
2 caller 👏👏👏
Big fan of hers!!!
It's because everyone is afraid of being called islamophobic I'm just saying the truth
Donna is absolutely correct.
What if I want to be offended? Cannot take my right to be offended every once in a while. And let's be honest, it's not a general issue, it's an Islamic issue.
LBC presenter looks a bit like Eric Eichmann don't you think
It’s a free society and freedom of speech is granted except if you challenge the Israeli speaker man and ask him some tough questions then LBC will fire you.
Hypocrisy at its best!
“90% of my friends are Muslim” not very diverse then
Do you have to be diverse to be in a democratic system?
Did you even listen to what she said?
@@jujutrini8412 did you read my question
@@jujutrini8412
Yes. Did you?
@@picaso023
No, you don’t have to.
Nice one news presenter
This lady should go into politics or something nice one miss hello from Dublin
2nd caller 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Trying to compare statements about people is not the same as a statement about a religion.
This guy needs to learn from Ali, how to counter it...rather than shouting! That makes your society look bad!
As a muslim, I am ashamed of ths
Is presenter
Why Mike?
Why because he doesn't agree with your Islamist nonsense?
Is it because he provides sane rational thinking unlike the Muslim caller who just resorts to ranting in an incoherent nonsensical manner….Like all islamists do when up against logical sound reasoning
Seems very balanced to me
He is self hating Muslim😅 embarrassed for him
Zalay is a tad wound up, poor argument style.
What does “inciting hate against someone” even mean? It’s so nebulous. It means nothing.
Which of those four words aren't you clear on?
@@drcommonsense1 you…do realize that you’re allowed to hate people, right?
@@Lurch685 why are you asking me that question? You are the one that said you weren't sure what "inciting hate against someone" meant.
The topic of conversation was about blasphemy and free speech. I'm not sure where you are going really?...
She didn’t say go back, she said go. And she chose those two countries because they are ones with blasphemy laws. Is this guy ok? 😅 not exactly doing much for stereotypes of aggressive defence of a religion 👀
A major western media newspaper focus on an article about this one white woman are u saying that’s not important!
All religions belong in the past. Stop this tribal drivel and start believing in real things
I would never trust the media.....funny Ali..
You cannot defame the dead but religion states that there is no death. Science and mathematics are starting to agree. The law may need to catch up.
Go back to bed
@@Lezzyboy87 go back to school
🤣😂 - can't even talk about what you want in peace
Second caller typifies lack of comprehension that emanates from the muslim community
David Irving went to jail for blasphemy
vote Popular People's Front of Judea ✊
Splitters!
I wish we had the same mindset when people were being arrested for protesting the king during coronation.
The second caller is a walking proof that some people will never integrate to our society.
Why do people need to integrate, just enjoy the diversity, there is a lot of benefit in it.
Questioning the hooIooccooost in Germany etc will get you arrested. That is a blasphemy law
Don't be so ridiculous
No it isnt
Not even remotely the same. Try harder.
@@djbogz1921ever heard of David Irving ? Google him
@@_Make_America_Native_Again_. Oh dear...
TEAM DONNA!
I don't care who you are, what your religion is, or where you're from. As long as you uphold our values, you're welcome here!
😂 funny
Well said donna
Second caller is all that is wrong with this issue
The people advocating for this are clearly not on the receiving end of stochastic terrorism, your right to free speech does not give you the right to persecute and push vulnerable people to suicide. We have normalised inciting hatred towards minorities, this is not free speech, this is terrorism. "This is free speech, this is a DeMoCrAcY" is not an argument.
Criticising Muhammad is protected speech, where you like it or not. And yes the free speech and democracy is an argument against blasphemy laws and always have been
That’s not free speech. The first amendment is the best example of free speech.
@@lewis123417 Predictably misrepresenting my argument as a defence, that's not what i was claiming nor the point i was making. Refute my original point instead of deflecting.
@lunaxquinn your criticising people advocating for this policy. What is your actual criticism of this policy? Of course its within a teachers freedom of speech to show an image of Muhammed
@@lunaxquinn incidents of hatred towards minorities is not an excuse to ban people criticising a religion or when offending religious people
There is no islamophobia but there is antisemitism, WOW
The is no antisemitic if the is no islamaphobia😂
He is homaphobic well im islamaphobic.
It is not often I agree with you. But you are spot on here. By the way I am an atheist. As such I have no interest in any religion