I agree 100%, I've been saying this for ages. The main "problem" with Challenger decks was WotC not wanting to put too much reprint equity into them resulting in most of them being watered-down versions of the "real" decks. But with Pauper that's a non-issue; I just checked and the non-bulk reprint value of the last set of Challenger decks at their time of release ranged from about $75-$100, so if that's the allowable range for reprint equity, then WotC could easily print fully-tuned versions of nearly every deck in the format, I believe it's only Lotus Petal decks that typically exceed that margin. Not only would Pauper Challenger decks be good for invigorating interest in Pauper, but in physical competitive play in general and would provide an alternative avenue for new players to hop into the game that's not a casual multiplayer format, which isn't what every new player is looking for. Being able to point a new player to a single product and tell them "If you want to hop in to competitive play, buy this product and you're good to go" is HUGE for on-boarding potential players.
WotC is the archenemy of running ready to go products, just look at their DnD ones, which is pretty sad... Well, unrelated rant over, reprint equity would come in play a lot where I live, as pauper is so popular that pauper staples and up costing a lot and pauper decks feels decently expensive...it would make even more success if the pauper precon was with cards of the language they stop printing into but oh well...
In my opinion pauper is not officially supported because wizards dont see a way to monetize it. I've also said that pauper challenger decks is the perfect way to monetize it. Add new art, fancier supplements (tokens, dice, etc) and sell it at a premium. Id gladly pay $50 for a ready to play pauper deck with some added bling. The same as a commander deck.
A T1 deck, sideboard, tokens, box, and a spindown for $50? I'd be down. Would definitely be worse value than a commander deck but also likely better value than just buying the deck outright (depending on the deck lol).
@@andrewb378 don't know where you live, but where I live you also have to take into consideration the time it takes to find all the cards and complete the deck. The fair price would be between 20 and 30 dollars, but definitely 50 dollars (to convince WoTc and Hasbro completely) would be an acceptable price to save the hassle as well. I wouldn't even mind if my cards were devalued in order to make pauper more accessible.
I may be overestimating pauper's popularity but I think that even if a single deck's price is lower they'd still profit off of the sheer number of decks sold.
As a guy that loves just buying a prebuilt deck off the shelves and seeing if it'll stand a chance against anyone else, I love this idea you've suggested. Great video, great editing, great intermission bit. ;)
it won't exist ever if most of pauper players keep playing only in Magic Online... Come on people that app is thrashy looking af and paper is a trillion times more fun!!
I'm getting off mtg arena and going to my lsg for the first time Ive just built my first pauper deck a grixis affinity deck,though with all the markets having no stock of theese cards I had to eBay them and the deck was about £190
Ive been playing Magic since 1994. But, I started engineering school and had kids in 2016 and as a non commander player I was forced to continue not really playing through the pandemic. Trying to look back on those products released at that time......hard. So i totally get what you mean when you give your disclaimer about trying to look up product info of years past. Challenger decks for Pauper are something ive wished for, and hope happens. Even having the money, sometimes these cards are so cheap, they are hard to find because stores dont really pick them up from bulk on purpose so cheap cards are in some ways rarer than the expensive stuff unless you order online. The reason im in love with Pauper is because as a long time player who used to actual play sanctioned Vintage with power from 2002ish to 2010ish, i became frustrated because even though I was the benefactor because I was going to be the winner, I dont like the pay to win reality. I just want to play.
Finding info on an old product that sold poorly is never easy haha You're absolutely correct about old commons being so hard to find! Again, I'd use Tangle and Dust to Dust as the perfect examples of cards that just for some reason, despite being good cards, just have never seen the light of day again, and are almost impossible to find! I feel ya. I just want to play too. Damn TCG economies and restrictions. Lol
Woah this guy's cooking! I started playing magic around Kaladesh, and to get into the game I walked down to my local game stop and bought what was the equivalent of a standard challenger deck. It wasn't the best deck of all time, but it was easy to get and it was completely playable into my playgroup of kitchen table magic players. And pauper would be the perfect format to bring this style of deck back, because unlike other formats where top tier decks are extremely expensive, pauper decks are cheep so this would just make getting a deck and playing magic so much easier! This is a great idea and a great video!
Glad you agree! And the decks would not be too overpowered for just some casual games! Easy to execute decks, fun unique playstyles and gameplay! Thank you so much for the love! 💛🙏
They've talked about that before but they said they don't like doing that. 🙄🤷♂️ it's super obnoxious to make eternal format products and then say "oops we don't want to mesh universes". BROTHER THE LORD OF THE RINGS SETS WERE A MODERN SET. GANDALF AND FRODO ARE BATTLING THE ELDRAZI TITANS! JAJFKFOSHHEJGJTIAHWHFU
This would be great! I always wanted to convince my friends to try (paper) pauper, but the actual cost and the struggel to get the cards was a turnoff . While single card price are low for most cards, getting all 75 for you deck from a single vendor can be tricky. We looked some decks up where the card itself would be like 45-55$ ish , but then we would pay like another 30$ ish for shipping because i have to order from like 5 diffrent vendors. So i woudnt mind "overpaying" the raw card prices a little bit if they come in a preconstrucked deck, but i really mind the struggel to order singles from like 6 diffrent vendors to complete a deck.
Your tonality, humor, the sense of your technical comments without making sound technical, and the overall editing that makes your vidoes too addicting are the ines that I am pertaining to when I said "entertaining". Someday you will be one of the most entertaining RUclips content creator and I don't simply believe that, I got hard evidence.
I think a nice product would also be a "Pauper master" set with the (re)printing of much needed card at common rarity (let's say with their OG artwork), and alternative artworks at uncommon or rare rarity. For a pauper challenger deck, knowing that anyone could start and learn the game with them, I'd select : Dimir Terror, Turbo Fog, Kiln Fiend Infect and Bogles enchantment.
If that happens and Wizards really dedicates a product for pauper, I hope that they will be printing cards exclusively for pauper. Not playable in other formats, only in pauper. That brings another topic for us to discuss. Those cards that aren't playable yet in pauper but we wish they are.
Unfortunately that's not possible. Commander, Legacy, and Vintage will always be susceptible to all printings of all cards. Plus, I don't want format warping custom made pauper cards like Modern Horizons, personally. Definitely need to do a video about downshifts!
I think the problem with this from wotc's perspective is that they know people will crack packs and spend for rares, but getting people interested in a commons format may make them less likely to chase rares in the future that they can't use. Of course, that's BS, this is just another way to play the game that people would happily get involved with. I'd personally be interested in playing pauper decks. But from wotc's view, they want people to chase the shiny power creep they're selling for big bucks.
This is true but they could do special foil arts of the box cards or something to increase the single value. And they don't have to flaunt that it's a format of just commons. It just needs to say Pauper on it and be Pauper legal. And plus, no one is going to scoff at decklists that have lightning bolts, brainstorms, counterspells, pyro/hydro blasts and so on. Some of magics strongest cards are in common! But like for example, getting some specialized Kuldotha Rebirths with custom tokens? Easy sell.
To help sell packs, cards such as Rhystic Study or Lotus Petal can be the chase mythics. Anything that has seen a sharp spike in price that originally was a common could get reprinted in a set like this as a rare or mythic. It will get the commander players to crack packs to chase these cards, and potentially introduce them to this 60 card format.
So, they aren't specifically pauper, but Battledecks from Card Kingdom is some of the best fun that my dad and I have had in MTG for a long time. They are only $10 and are built to be played against each other.
Given my opinion that Pauper is the perfect introductory format for new players, Pauper Challenger Decks would be, IMO, the best way for WOTC to bring in new players without driving the community up the wall with constant UB sets
Been needed for a long time TCC made a video about this 6 years ago. Still hope WotC hears the community. Also WotC already said that any card printed in UB sets with the triangle foil will eventually be reprinted with a different name. It was addressed during the walking dead secret lair debacle. Link to TCC video: ruclips.net/video/OxZMgoGBFr0/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I wrote the same idea on the official Hasbro website...without any response from absolutely anyone. Hasbro included. I think it's a wonderful idea. These would be the REAL starter decks and not that garbage they make. It would invite many new players to the format and would be a great introduction to the world of Magic. What's more, if they can make commanders that would consist card by card of almost 200 dollars for 60 dollars, the price of one of these pauper decks would be around 20-30 dollars at most. And even if they cost more, there would be many people who would gladly pay it, myself included. They are not going to do it because: 1- They are not interested. 2- They don't give a damn. 3- It would take a lot, a lot of pressure from many players.
Well, let's CREATE that pressure! We gotta show Wizards and Hasbro what products we want. We gotta get our voices to someone like Gavin and make it happen!
I would resubmit your idea. With Cynthia Williams gone from the CEO role there, hopefully the new CEO will listen to us Pauper players and give us what we want.
TFW you do the footwork to actually suggest 4 good challenger decks, and one of the decks got outright banned the day after. Something else that would probably sell well, would be a Pauper box. Throwing in 4 offs of the meta cards for each color + lands, so you can build the most important decks, and you can even play with friends, make a Pauper cube out of it, maybe even build Pauper commander decks.
and print all the decks with retro frame. this would increase sells because even non-pauper people would buy them, for the retro frame cards. also those players may end up trying and liking pauper.
I agree with challenger decks for pauper. I think it would be a great way to grow the best format in Magic while also having reprints that are needed. I feel if they have the right price point and a good incentive, it would be perfect! I just hope that if they do reprint snuff out, please do not have that Dr. Who art. I absolutely despise it.
Honestly, if they just came out with 4 of these pauper pre-cons a year, it would be massive for the format. But I know, guaranteed, WotC will fuck it up and give you 3 Spellstutter Sprites and like 1 Snuff Out and fill it out with garbage like Merfolk Looter or some stupid BS. Even so, it would still be nice to bring people into the format and get events running again. But most likely people will show up once or twice and just go back to commander for the rest of the year.
Briiliant idea, but if they perceive that players tend to focus on one or two formats, they aren't going to want to make the least expensive one more attractive andor accessible.
I disagree, because they legally aren't allowed to acknowledge the secondary market. I mean, obviously they "do", but if tones of people are buying their $50 product, they'll just keep making them!
I disagree. First off, thanks for building content surrounding the format. I am a very long time pauper player, collector, obsessor, and anyone who takes the time to build content in this format, no matter the opinion, is a real one in my books. I am in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. This city has had three major pushes to make pauper a thing. One store started pauper and it ran about 6 weeks at 10-12 players (during Astrolabe Winter) and a toxic employee ruined it. Another store, started one, had no event fire with more than 6. However, that same store is into a calendar year of nurturing a pauper community. What changed? Community and communication... I ended up making some fun champions foil tokens, of pauper played tokens, we have one employee who keeps an eye on the discord, the owner will commonly throw in pauper promos like the Deadly Dispute recently, but most of all we have a really open and inviting community. No one isnt welcome with us. Toxicity is kept to a minimum. We havent run into anything toxic yet either though. But I feel we would act accordingly and hope to maintain community over toxicity of players. I digress. I LOVE this format. I have been playing the game since 99, on and off, as we do. And I found this format post divorce. In a reasonably "down" time in my life. The cost had me interested, the power level had me hooked. I ended up building 119 decks, of all sorts at one point, built, sleeved, sideboarded and boxed. (Find me on reddit lol) But what I was missing was the play. I had two buddies who would come play, but their desires to be skilled at the game compared to mine wasnt exactly the same. So while I got games in, it just wasnt what I was looking for. The current iteration of Pauper in Calgary started as a couple employees of the store playing after hours. (The owner once came to me and told me a story about how he got an alert that they set the alarm at 3 am one night. Asked, and it was pauper.) That turned into a league, which ran I believe four seasons (I played in the second and third). Then they decided to work a pauper night every other week. And that absolutely took off. With as much time I had int he format, I didnt want to see things fall apart, and while the store, and the employee working on it were putting plenty into it, I felt like I had to act. So I built those tokens. And for the most part, people were excited about them. So the next purchase was participant tokens and champion tokens. Which JUST ran out a week or two ago. So its on to the next thing. This relates to the video because I was you just a bunch of years ago. With no one to play with, the sollution was obvious in my mind. Wizards, do something. I have a couple thousand dollars in this format. Why wont people play it? Dont they have money in it? Surely wizards and LGS love the revenue right? Wrong. Pauper's lack of consistent community everywhere has nothing to do with Wizards and how much it puts behind the format. (Unification was huge...they noticed us once or twice) Nor would a product like this be at all in the interest of Wizards and Hasbro. They have shown us that unless its big money, big interest, they aint printing it, or they are overprinting it. Greed and all that. So here is the kicker. When its arbitrary for them to print 75 cards into a shrink wrap, stick some tokens with it in a box with instructions wouldnt cost Wizards any differently between any format, Legacy to Pauper...they know that we are way way small potatoes from a community standpoint. Wizards sees how many pauper events fire on companion worldwide....and its not enough to justify anything except giving a passionate employee in Gavin the keys to spend time on our format, and the recognition of a panel of humans who dictate the direction of the format. That, unfortunately, is all we deserve. This sends me back to the long winded start of this comment, talking about nurturing the community. I LOVE this video, and I LOVE that product idea. I do believe I have also posted this same opinion on Reddit many moons ago, because it absolutely sucks when there is no one to play with. But that all comes down to your efforts at your LGS, and the perception of the format. Go put the effort in, help with some marketing, build some extra decks, bring a friend. Maybe finance some fun prizing if at all possible. Talk to the store about holding twice a year or seasonal championships with a bigger buy in, better prizing and maybe some Lotus Petals (these have been used to good effect and I even drove 5 hours round trip to play a tournament in a city nearby and brought another player to get them). Be inclusive. Our usual suspects include a software engineer (who showed up the first time playing merfolk after just getting into the game, and is now at that tipping point of nearly winning pauper nights), a high schooler at 17 who cobbles together what he can, and has found his way to winning too. We have fathers, sons, brothers and sisters. Yes, we have even had some gals come and play. We are respectful, inclusive and always excited to get to games. I would emplore you to consider using your charisma and production abilities to either work to build your local scene, local stores ability to show off the format, or simply continue pumping out pauper content here if that isnt your thing. The professor doesnt do his deck techs anymore, his format video is well outdated, and back when he was making content...this peculiar thing would happen. The harder to find singles would be gone from my LGS for a few weeks. Someone was building it, just not playing it. Paupers perception issue is easy to break. Just get one game in with someone from another format...I promise the conversion rate is positive. We may be commons only, but together these commons are fucking mighty. If this video was asking for the same type of product, and you had footage of a consistent 30-40-50 person tournament at your home LGS, and we relied on more than Italy and Brazil for the bulk of organized paper play....I think we would have a case for this product. So get out there and work to build your 8 person, then 12 person, then 20 person community, and share that here. It will do the format some good. Oh, and when we do get this product. I pray that Walmart, Target and Gamestop DONT get their hands on it.
I appreciate the insight! I have tried making pauper a thing at my local stores. I've been trying for a while, letting others use my collection, but it still has yet to go anywhere. And at the end of the day, even if a product like this doesn't help organically grow pauper, it would still be amazing for the much needed reprint issues pauper has! Additionally, as someone who obviously supports local game stores, new magic players don't come from local game stores. Big box stores helps people find Magic on the shelves, that way they can go home and look up where to play their decks. THEN they end up at LGSs. Obviously LGSs should have them too to sell, but when I got into Magic, it's because my friends and I saw the Ixalan fatpack at Barns N Noble
I think the "downside" for having a pauper challenger deck would be players playing and having easy access to "meta-decks", but the upside is for those people who would have a very good introductory product for incoming players. I think WOtC is not supporting it is because 1.corporate greed 2.same as 1 3.refer to reason no.1 that is why they have a UR phoenix precon that they can just make the most optimum decklist for it but do otherwise. I think the "best" answer would be reprinting(any card that badly needs a reprinting..spellstutter sprite) those "old cards" like dust to dust and relic of progenitus etc. or if players do a "new format" modern-pauper, using common cards from 8th edition(modern bordered) onwards so that most players will have a good access to the cards and build a "cheap" deck.
Id love more support, but im worried pauper would then become a pushed, rotating by power creep format like commander. The Pinkerton situation did NOT HELP ethier...
While I love and endorse this idea. I don't think having tier 1 meta decks on hand is the way to go. Tho I would do 6. One for each color and 1 colorless (pick your flavor there) but build them as a base line. The starting point. They run/play great but it can be upgraded. Tho the idea of "Fringe" style decks sounds fun. Lol Lots of ideas that don't have words atm. Lol and short on time. All and all. Love the concept.
Well you specifically are a brewer at heart and don't like tier 1 decks 😏. I think you could have 2 products. Starter decks that are lower power, and then the challenger decks. Challenger decks have always been high meta decks, that's the point of them. But there's a world for both!
@@paperpauperplayer too true. Brewer at Heart. And forgot to look back when I wished I could just buy a powerful deck off the shelf and run it. But I also remeber the old theme decks from way back and they sucked. We would buy em and strip them for parts like chop shop. Lol But yea your idea is sound. And makes sense over all.
@@paperpauperplayer yaknow. Your local LGS could build these decks. Say top 10 pauper decks. With sleeves and box for a set price. Just to move product. And use youtubers as a way of advertising for the deck and shop/online store. Say Kudotha Red with sleeves and box for 50.00 bucks. Shipped to your house or pick up at store. (Customer pays shipping and handling) Just a idea. I think yter Blue Bears Games has a similar concept but he does it all from home.
Oh yeah it should be supported but wotc doesnt seem to want to support pauper at all but the recent ban announcement gives me some hope for pauper support by wotc. They put a ton of attention on pauper.
He's literally on my playmat (heres my twitter post about it twitter.com/PaperPauperP/status/1738709349701234831?t=_3C-S4UWXYaMXtta_OJGMQ&s=19), I have all of his secret lairs, both a Krikk deck, and Zur the Enchanter with him on it, and I have all of his albums on my spotify. I loved Post Malone before I found out he was a Magic fan. Get over it
Good video. But your sounds over your voice are way too loud. It is less fun to listen to you, if the skits are louder than the information you want to deliver.
Ima be 100% honest with you. I do recognize this, but the mixing in the editor is NOT what the mixing is when it gets uploaded. I have no idea why, but for example the music is at a much better volume, and feels almost too loud in the editor, but then ends up being almost mute when uploaded. It's extremely difficult to properly balance, so I'm sorry that it was disruptive 😕 hope you enjoyed the video regardless and thank you for the feedback!
@@paperpauperplayer Thank you for acknowledging without getting offended! Yes, I imagine this is a pain in the butt. Hope you find a solution, because other than that your video was great! Keep up the good work! You earned a sub from me! 👍
People who can't take such simple criticism and feedback shouldn't be making content. Audio mixing is extremely important and I appreciate you letting me know. If no one says anything, I can't fix it in the future! The solution is, if I think the sound effect is at the right volume, to turn it down slightly. And if the music sounds right, turn it up slightly haha. Thank you for that, friend 🙏💛
@@paperpauperplayer Just one thing, it is both, effects and music that is overpowering your voice. Your goal should be to have the most level on voice (without clipping) and music underneath and effects somewhere in the middle (volumewise) Unless you want a loud "bang" effect, which is fine, if you are not talking at that moment. You are welcome and I wish you the best!
You feel like the music was overbearing? Rewatching the video I feel there's some songs that you can barely hear even though it's cranked up. Like the song when I was showcasing Velomachus in my last video. I turned it up and you can barely hear it. I don't know. I promise I'll im trying to find the balance! Thank you for the feedback again! 🙏
I agree 100%, I've been saying this for ages. The main "problem" with Challenger decks was WotC not wanting to put too much reprint equity into them resulting in most of them being watered-down versions of the "real" decks. But with Pauper that's a non-issue; I just checked and the non-bulk reprint value of the last set of Challenger decks at their time of release ranged from about $75-$100, so if that's the allowable range for reprint equity, then WotC could easily print fully-tuned versions of nearly every deck in the format, I believe it's only Lotus Petal decks that typically exceed that margin.
Not only would Pauper Challenger decks be good for invigorating interest in Pauper, but in physical competitive play in general and would provide an alternative avenue for new players to hop into the game that's not a casual multiplayer format, which isn't what every new player is looking for. Being able to point a new player to a single product and tell them "If you want to hop in to competitive play, buy this product and you're good to go" is HUGE for on-boarding potential players.
You said it better than me! 100% agree! 💛🙏
thing is, I think pauper is not selling packs as much as more expensive formats. So the'll never do it.
@@0rolon I don't know. Pauper draft is literally so much fun, and it stops the issue of people just grabbing set bangers for keeps
WotC is the archenemy of running ready to go products, just look at their DnD ones, which is pretty sad...
Well, unrelated rant over, reprint equity would come in play a lot where I live, as pauper is so popular that pauper staples and up costing a lot and pauper decks feels decently expensive...it would make even more success if the pauper precon was with cards of the language they stop printing into but oh well...
In my opinion pauper is not officially supported because wizards dont see a way to monetize it.
I've also said that pauper challenger decks is the perfect way to monetize it.
Add new art, fancier supplements (tokens, dice, etc) and sell it at a premium. Id gladly pay $50 for a ready to play pauper deck with some added bling. The same as a commander deck.
+1. I would love that!
A T1 deck, sideboard, tokens, box, and a spindown for $50? I'd be down. Would definitely be worse value than a commander deck but also likely better value than just buying the deck outright (depending on the deck lol).
@@andrewb378 don't know where you live, but where I live you also have to take into consideration the time it takes to find all the cards and complete the deck. The fair price would be between 20 and 30 dollars, but definitely 50 dollars (to convince WoTc and Hasbro completely) would be an acceptable price to save the hassle as well. I wouldn't even mind if my cards were devalued in order to make pauper more accessible.
It's so easily monetizable but they just won't give it a shot! I'd happily spend $50 too!
I may be overestimating pauper's popularity but I think that even if a single deck's price is lower they'd still profit off of the sheer number of decks sold.
Agree fully. I would appreciate also pauper Masters/Horizons set with 100% reprints, draftable, with possibility to collect fullart borderless foils.
Ooooooh. Pauper Masters would be awesome!
As a guy that loves just buying a prebuilt deck off the shelves and seeing if it'll stand a chance against anyone else, I love this idea you've suggested. Great video, great editing, great intermission bit. ;)
Haha thank you! Glad you enjoyed! 😊💛🙏
it won't exist ever if most of pauper players keep playing only in Magic Online... Come on people that app is thrashy looking af and paper is a trillion times more fun!!
YESSSS THANK YOU!!!!
I'm getting off mtg arena and going to my lsg for the first time Ive just built my first pauper deck a grixis affinity deck,though with all the markets having no stock of theese cards I had to eBay them and the deck was about £190
Ive been playing Magic since 1994. But, I started engineering school and had kids in 2016 and as a non commander player I was forced to continue not really playing through the pandemic. Trying to look back on those products released at that time......hard. So i totally get what you mean when you give your disclaimer about trying to look up product info of years past.
Challenger decks for Pauper are something ive wished for, and hope happens. Even having the money, sometimes these cards are so cheap, they are hard to find because stores dont really pick them up from bulk on purpose so cheap cards are in some ways rarer than the expensive stuff unless you order online.
The reason im in love with Pauper is because as a long time player who used to actual play sanctioned Vintage with power from 2002ish to 2010ish, i became frustrated because even though I was the benefactor because I was going to be the winner, I dont like the pay to win reality. I just want to play.
Finding info on an old product that sold poorly is never easy haha
You're absolutely correct about old commons being so hard to find! Again, I'd use Tangle and Dust to Dust as the perfect examples of cards that just for some reason, despite being good cards, just have never seen the light of day again, and are almost impossible to find!
I feel ya. I just want to play too. Damn TCG economies and restrictions. Lol
Woah this guy's cooking! I started playing magic around Kaladesh, and to get into the game I walked down to my local game stop and bought what was the equivalent of a standard challenger deck. It wasn't the best deck of all time, but it was easy to get and it was completely playable into my playgroup of kitchen table magic players. And pauper would be the perfect format to bring this style of deck back, because unlike other formats where top tier decks are extremely expensive, pauper decks are cheep so this would just make getting a deck and playing magic so much easier! This is a great idea and a great video!
Glad you agree! And the decks would not be too overpowered for just some casual games! Easy to execute decks, fun unique playstyles and gameplay! Thank you so much for the love! 💛🙏
As someone whose playgroup currently doesn't play pauper and never has played pauper... I'd buy two of these without hesitation.
Welcome to my life!
With universes beyond they just need to make a version of the card for there world. Change the name and art but keep the effect.
They've talked about that before but they said they don't like doing that. 🙄🤷♂️ it's super obnoxious to make eternal format products and then say "oops we don't want to mesh universes". BROTHER THE LORD OF THE RINGS SETS WERE A MODERN SET. GANDALF AND FRODO ARE BATTLING THE ELDRAZI TITANS! JAJFKFOSHHEJGJTIAHWHFU
This would be great! I always wanted to convince my friends to try (paper) pauper, but the actual cost and the struggel to get the cards was a turnoff . While single card price are low for most cards, getting all 75 for you deck from a single vendor can be tricky. We looked some decks up where the card itself would be like 45-55$ ish , but then we would pay like another 30$ ish for shipping because i have to order from like 5 diffrent vendors. So i woudnt mind "overpaying" the raw card prices a little bit if they come in a preconstrucked deck, but i really mind the struggel to order singles from like 6 diffrent vendors to complete a deck.
Yeah actually trying to find some of these commons that are like 20 years old is ridiculous because no one thought to keep them around oh so long ago!
Absolutely awesome video and I agree with literally all your points.
I'd personally buy all of the pauper challenger decks if they do release them.
Thank you, brother 💛🙏 it's literally free money for Wizards!
You are the most entertaining content creator for the pauper format ever since you started. Kudos bro.
Thank you so much for that king 💛🙏 I hope I can be the most entertaining for all of Magic one day! Haha
Your tonality, humor, the sense of your technical comments without making sound technical, and the overall editing that makes your vidoes too addicting are the ines that I am pertaining to when I said "entertaining".
Someday you will be one of the most entertaining RUclips content creator and I don't simply believe that, I got hard evidence.
You have no idea how much this comment means to me 🥺 thank you for all the feedback, love and support. I promise to keep it up! 😁👍
Yes, good stuff. Actual content! A+
Great video man! Pauper is my favorite constructed format so finding your channel has been awesome. Keep up the videos!
Glad you enjoy the content! 😊 Pauper is tons of fun! Thank you so much! 🙏
"The four challenger pauper decks that should be made is Glitter Affinity..." unlucky making the video before the glitters ban xD
I was LITERALLY editing that section of the video when Gavin dropped that bomb. I was fuming lmao
I think a nice product would also be a "Pauper master" set with the (re)printing of much needed card at common rarity (let's say with their OG artwork), and alternative artworks at uncommon or rare rarity.
For a pauper challenger deck, knowing that anyone could start and learn the game with them, I'd select :
Dimir Terror, Turbo Fog, Kiln Fiend Infect and Bogles enchantment.
Cannot subject new people to Turbo Fog. Lol we're trying to prove that our format ISN'T boring 🤣
@@paperpauperplayer I had in mind a way to teach newcomers the alternatives wincons in the game.
If that happens and Wizards really dedicates a product for pauper, I hope that they will be printing cards exclusively for pauper. Not playable in other formats, only in pauper.
That brings another topic for us to discuss. Those cards that aren't playable yet in pauper but we wish they are.
Unfortunately that's not possible. Commander, Legacy, and Vintage will always be susceptible to all printings of all cards. Plus, I don't want format warping custom made pauper cards like Modern Horizons, personally.
Definitely need to do a video about downshifts!
I think the problem with this from wotc's perspective is that they know people will crack packs and spend for rares, but getting people interested in a commons format may make them less likely to chase rares in the future that they can't use. Of course, that's BS, this is just another way to play the game that people would happily get involved with. I'd personally be interested in playing pauper decks. But from wotc's view, they want people to chase the shiny power creep they're selling for big bucks.
This is true but they could do special foil arts of the box cards or something to increase the single value. And they don't have to flaunt that it's a format of just commons. It just needs to say Pauper on it and be Pauper legal. And plus, no one is going to scoff at decklists that have lightning bolts, brainstorms, counterspells, pyro/hydro blasts and so on. Some of magics strongest cards are in common! But like for example, getting some specialized Kuldotha Rebirths with custom tokens? Easy sell.
To help sell packs, cards such as Rhystic Study or Lotus Petal can be the chase mythics. Anything that has seen a sharp spike in price that originally was a common could get reprinted in a set like this as a rare or mythic. It will get the commander players to crack packs to chase these cards, and potentially introduce them to this 60 card format.
YESSS!
So, they aren't specifically pauper, but Battledecks from Card Kingdom is some of the best fun that my dad and I have had in MTG for a long time. They are only $10 and are built to be played against each other.
@SkylordBrebro they are an awesome product but a third party company shouldn't be the ones making them!
Given my opinion that Pauper is the perfect introductory format for new players, Pauper Challenger Decks would be, IMO, the best way for WOTC to bring in new players without driving the community up the wall with constant UB sets
Absolutely! It's perfect!
I'd love to see you do more pauper commander though >
🤷♂️ it's not impossible! Haha
Been needed for a long time TCC made a video about this 6 years ago. Still hope WotC hears the community. Also WotC already said that any card printed in UB sets with the triangle foil will eventually be reprinted with a different name. It was addressed during the walking dead secret lair debacle.
Link to TCC video: ruclips.net/video/OxZMgoGBFr0/видео.htmlfeature=shared
I wrote the same idea on the official Hasbro website...without any response from absolutely anyone. Hasbro included. I think it's a wonderful idea. These would be the REAL starter decks and not that garbage they make. It would invite many new players to the format and would be a great introduction to the world of Magic. What's more, if they can make commanders that would consist card by card of almost 200 dollars for 60 dollars, the price of one of these pauper decks would be around 20-30 dollars at most. And even if they cost more, there would be many people who would gladly pay it, myself included. They are not going to do it because: 1- They are not interested.
2- They don't give a damn.
3- It would take a lot, a lot of pressure from many players.
Well, let's CREATE that pressure! We gotta show Wizards and Hasbro what products we want. We gotta get our voices to someone like Gavin and make it happen!
@@paperpauperplayerI think you would have the support of the vast majority of the community. Mine included. Let's go for it!!
LETS RISE!! 🔥
I would resubmit your idea. With Cynthia Williams gone from the CEO role there, hopefully the new CEO will listen to us Pauper players and give us what we want.
This idea makes too much sense. Wizards would never do it.
Lmao, yeaaaah
TFW you do the footwork to actually suggest 4 good challenger decks, and one of the decks got outright banned the day after.
Something else that would probably sell well, would be a Pauper box. Throwing in 4 offs of the meta cards for each color + lands, so you can build the most important decks, and you can even play with friends, make a Pauper cube out of it, maybe even build Pauper commander decks.
My life is a literal joke
@@paperpauperplayer I feel ya, buddy. 😢
Damn I didn't know you fuck with Persona too... Thanks for helping me get in the format a few years ago lol
Hell yeah 😎 I do be gaming!
Of course! 💛
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and print all the decks with retro frame. this would increase sells because even non-pauper people would buy them, for the retro frame cards. also those players may end up trying and liking pauper.
@Adam-il1dc some kind of special printing for the main cards for sure!
I agree with challenger decks for pauper. I think it would be a great way to grow the best format in Magic while also having reprints that are needed. I feel if they have the right price point and a good incentive, it would be perfect! I just hope that if they do reprint snuff out, please do not have that Dr. Who art. I absolutely despise it.
The Dr. Who art is absolutely awful for non-Dr. Who fans. Lmao
Honestly, if they just came out with 4 of these pauper pre-cons a year, it would be massive for the format. But I know, guaranteed, WotC will fuck it up and give you 3 Spellstutter Sprites and like 1 Snuff Out and fill it out with garbage like Merfolk Looter or some stupid BS. Even so, it would still be nice to bring people into the format and get events running again. But most likely people will show up once or twice and just go back to commander for the rest of the year.
Nooo, you can't go in with this mentality (despite being 100% correct). We gotta make em do better! 👏
they could make a pauper set also, a play booster wiht only commons for pauper, only reprints... and some new cards
Hell yeah!
@@paperpauperplayer I think that would put Pauper on the map for a lot of people, they are going to start asking about it to their LGSs
and with some cool fullart cards !
That's the selling part! Make special arts of the staples!
Briiliant idea, but if they perceive that players tend to focus on one or two formats, they aren't going to want to make the least expensive one more attractive andor accessible.
I disagree, because they legally aren't allowed to acknowledge the secondary market. I mean, obviously they "do", but if tones of people are buying their $50 product, they'll just keep making them!
I disagree. First off, thanks for building content surrounding the format. I am a very long time pauper player, collector, obsessor, and anyone who takes the time to build content in this format, no matter the opinion, is a real one in my books.
I am in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. This city has had three major pushes to make pauper a thing. One store started pauper and it ran about 6 weeks at 10-12 players (during Astrolabe Winter) and a toxic employee ruined it.
Another store, started one, had no event fire with more than 6. However, that same store is into a calendar year of nurturing a pauper community. What changed? Community and communication...
I ended up making some fun champions foil tokens, of pauper played tokens, we have one employee who keeps an eye on the discord, the owner will commonly throw in pauper promos like the Deadly Dispute recently, but most of all we have a really open and inviting community. No one isnt welcome with us. Toxicity is kept to a minimum. We havent run into anything toxic yet either though. But I feel we would act accordingly and hope to maintain community over toxicity of players. I digress.
I LOVE this format. I have been playing the game since 99, on and off, as we do. And I found this format post divorce. In a reasonably "down" time in my life. The cost had me interested, the power level had me hooked. I ended up building 119 decks, of all sorts at one point, built, sleeved, sideboarded and boxed. (Find me on reddit lol) But what I was missing was the play. I had two buddies who would come play, but their desires to be skilled at the game compared to mine wasnt exactly the same. So while I got games in, it just wasnt what I was looking for.
The current iteration of Pauper in Calgary started as a couple employees of the store playing after hours. (The owner once came to me and told me a story about how he got an alert that they set the alarm at 3 am one night. Asked, and it was pauper.) That turned into a league, which ran I believe four seasons (I played in the second and third). Then they decided to work a pauper night every other week. And that absolutely took off. With as much time I had int he format, I didnt want to see things fall apart, and while the store, and the employee working on it were putting plenty into it, I felt like I had to act. So I built those tokens. And for the most part, people were excited about them. So the next purchase was participant tokens and champion tokens. Which JUST ran out a week or two ago. So its on to the next thing.
This relates to the video because I was you just a bunch of years ago. With no one to play with, the sollution was obvious in my mind. Wizards, do something. I have a couple thousand dollars in this format. Why wont people play it? Dont they have money in it? Surely wizards and LGS love the revenue right?
Wrong. Pauper's lack of consistent community everywhere has nothing to do with Wizards and how much it puts behind the format. (Unification was huge...they noticed us once or twice) Nor would a product like this be at all in the interest of Wizards and Hasbro. They have shown us that unless its big money, big interest, they aint printing it, or they are overprinting it. Greed and all that.
So here is the kicker. When its arbitrary for them to print 75 cards into a shrink wrap, stick some tokens with it in a box with instructions wouldnt cost Wizards any differently between any format, Legacy to Pauper...they know that we are way way small potatoes from a community standpoint.
Wizards sees how many pauper events fire on companion worldwide....and its not enough to justify anything except giving a passionate employee in Gavin the keys to spend time on our format, and the recognition of a panel of humans who dictate the direction of the format. That, unfortunately, is all we deserve.
This sends me back to the long winded start of this comment, talking about nurturing the community. I LOVE this video, and I LOVE that product idea. I do believe I have also posted this same opinion on Reddit many moons ago, because it absolutely sucks when there is no one to play with. But that all comes down to your efforts at your LGS, and the perception of the format.
Go put the effort in, help with some marketing, build some extra decks, bring a friend. Maybe finance some fun prizing if at all possible. Talk to the store about holding twice a year or seasonal championships with a bigger buy in, better prizing and maybe some Lotus Petals (these have been used to good effect and I even drove 5 hours round trip to play a tournament in a city nearby and brought another player to get them).
Be inclusive. Our usual suspects include a software engineer (who showed up the first time playing merfolk after just getting into the game, and is now at that tipping point of nearly winning pauper nights), a high schooler at 17 who cobbles together what he can, and has found his way to winning too. We have fathers, sons, brothers and sisters. Yes, we have even had some gals come and play. We are respectful, inclusive and always excited to get to games.
I would emplore you to consider using your charisma and production abilities to either work to build your local scene, local stores ability to show off the format, or simply continue pumping out pauper content here if that isnt your thing. The professor doesnt do his deck techs anymore, his format video is well outdated, and back when he was making content...this peculiar thing would happen. The harder to find singles would be gone from my LGS for a few weeks. Someone was building it, just not playing it.
Paupers perception issue is easy to break. Just get one game in with someone from another format...I promise the conversion rate is positive. We may be commons only, but together these commons are fucking mighty.
If this video was asking for the same type of product, and you had footage of a consistent 30-40-50 person tournament at your home LGS, and we relied on more than Italy and Brazil for the bulk of organized paper play....I think we would have a case for this product. So get out there and work to build your 8 person, then 12 person, then 20 person community, and share that here. It will do the format some good.
Oh, and when we do get this product. I pray that Walmart, Target and Gamestop DONT get their hands on it.
I appreciate the insight! I have tried making pauper a thing at my local stores. I've been trying for a while, letting others use my collection, but it still has yet to go anywhere. And at the end of the day, even if a product like this doesn't help organically grow pauper, it would still be amazing for the much needed reprint issues pauper has!
Additionally, as someone who obviously supports local game stores, new magic players don't come from local game stores. Big box stores helps people find Magic on the shelves, that way they can go home and look up where to play their decks. THEN they end up at LGSs. Obviously LGSs should have them too to sell, but when I got into Magic, it's because my friends and I saw the Ixalan fatpack at Barns N Noble
I think the "downside" for having a pauper challenger deck would be players playing and having easy access to "meta-decks", but the upside is for those people who would have a very good introductory product for incoming players. I think WOtC is not supporting it is because 1.corporate greed 2.same as 1 3.refer to reason no.1 that is why they have a UR phoenix precon that they can just make the most optimum decklist for it but do otherwise. I think the "best" answer would be reprinting(any card that badly needs a reprinting..spellstutter sprite) those "old cards" like dust to dust and relic of progenitus etc. or if players do a "new format" modern-pauper, using common cards from 8th edition(modern bordered) onwards so that most players will have a good access to the cards and build a "cheap" deck.
Well, hopefully Wizards realizes that there is a tone of money to be made in this product that people want!
R.I.P Vince aka Pleasant Kenobi IDFK-2024
@@uozee he will be missed 🫡
Id love more support, but im worried pauper would then become a pushed, rotating by power creep format like commander.
The Pinkerton situation did NOT HELP ethier...
@@louieluigi3914 this is all true!
I'm 100% down for this!
Hell yeah! 💛
While I love and endorse this idea. I don't think having tier 1 meta decks on hand is the way to go. Tho I would do 6. One for each color and 1 colorless (pick your flavor there) but build them as a base line. The starting point.
They run/play great but it can be upgraded.
Tho the idea of "Fringe" style decks sounds fun. Lol
Lots of ideas that don't have words atm. Lol and short on time.
All and all. Love the concept.
Well you specifically are a brewer at heart and don't like tier 1 decks 😏. I think you could have 2 products. Starter decks that are lower power, and then the challenger decks. Challenger decks have always been high meta decks, that's the point of them. But there's a world for both!
@@paperpauperplayer too true. Brewer at Heart. And forgot to look back when I wished I could just buy a powerful deck off the shelf and run it. But I also remeber the old theme decks from way back and they sucked. We would buy em and strip them for parts like chop shop. Lol
But yea your idea is sound. And makes sense over all.
@dracosdiabolis1769 oh God theme decks 🤢🤮 lol!
@@paperpauperplayer yaknow. Your local LGS could build these decks. Say top 10 pauper decks. With sleeves and box for a set price. Just to move product. And use youtubers as a way of advertising for the deck and shop/online store.
Say Kudotha Red with sleeves and box for 50.00 bucks. Shipped to your house or pick up at store. (Customer pays shipping and handling)
Just a idea. I think yter Blue Bears Games has a similar concept but he does it all from home.
You'd be surprised how many LGSs don't even carry most commons in house, which sucks when I NEED CARDS AND THEY DONT HAVE IT 🙄 lol
This is a brilliant idea.
Oh yeah it should be supported but wotc doesnt seem to want to support pauper at all but the recent ban announcement gives me some hope for pauper support by wotc. They put a ton of attention on pauper.
We just gotta show them we're ready for them!
Can you drop the deck lists?
Either go to my other videos with the deck techs of the decks, or just look em up online! There's no official one set deck list for any of these! 😁
Can we stop pretending magic players listen to Post Malome? Hes a rich guy who plays the game, okay?
He's literally on my playmat (heres my twitter post about it twitter.com/PaperPauperP/status/1738709349701234831?t=_3C-S4UWXYaMXtta_OJGMQ&s=19), I have all of his secret lairs, both a Krikk deck, and Zur the Enchanter with him on it, and I have all of his albums on my spotify. I loved Post Malone before I found out he was a Magic fan.
Get over it
Yes please please please I want to spend my money on that
you've got my vote!!!
Haha thank you! 🫡
Make Challenger Decks Great Again (or for the first time)
Lmao for sure for the first time
They either needed to unban atog, or ban Glitters.
Oh I think Glitters needed to be banned for sure lol. It's synergy with Gingerbrute was, shall I say, BRUTAL
If anything just unban soujourner's its like a Myr Enforcer playset 2.0 and isnt game breaking
Glitters just got nuked :D
Praise the maker! 🙌
Whish they banned terror instead... I liked glitters.
Hot take of the day
Bye bye all that glitters. You probably won’t be missed.
Absolutely will not be missed
fully agree
Sounds like a lot of hooplah 🤓
100% agree
great video
Thank you so much! 💛🙏
No no no no... No. The answer is simple.
Standard-Pauper.
Truue
@@paperpauperplayer that was fast sir, thank you! 😊👍I subscribed too!!
Thank you for the sub! I appreciate it 💛
rip glitters
My queen, gone forever but never forgotten 🫡
So when are you becoming CEO of WOTC
Bro Commander with the CEO right now and he has me literally at 20 commander damage 😬
Why do you kinda look like the we have Malone at home
That works for me!
Im okay with that!
@@paperpauperplayer lol
Good video.
But your sounds over your voice are way too loud. It is less fun to listen to you, if the skits are louder than the information you want to deliver.
Ima be 100% honest with you. I do recognize this, but the mixing in the editor is NOT what the mixing is when it gets uploaded. I have no idea why, but for example the music is at a much better volume, and feels almost too loud in the editor, but then ends up being almost mute when uploaded. It's extremely difficult to properly balance, so I'm sorry that it was disruptive 😕 hope you enjoyed the video regardless and thank you for the feedback!
@@paperpauperplayer Thank you for acknowledging without getting offended!
Yes, I imagine this is a pain in the butt.
Hope you find a solution, because other than that your video was great!
Keep up the good work! You earned a sub from me!
👍
People who can't take such simple criticism and feedback shouldn't be making content. Audio mixing is extremely important and I appreciate you letting me know. If no one says anything, I can't fix it in the future!
The solution is, if I think the sound effect is at the right volume, to turn it down slightly. And if the music sounds right, turn it up slightly haha.
Thank you for that, friend 🙏💛
@@paperpauperplayer Just one thing, it is both, effects and music that is overpowering your voice. Your goal should be to have the most level on voice (without clipping) and music underneath and effects somewhere in the middle (volumewise)
Unless you want a loud "bang" effect, which is fine, if you are not talking at that moment.
You are welcome and I wish you the best!
You feel like the music was overbearing? Rewatching the video I feel there's some songs that you can barely hear even though it's cranked up. Like the song when I was showcasing Velomachus in my last video. I turned it up and you can barely hear it.
I don't know. I promise I'll im trying to find the balance! Thank you for the feedback again! 🙏