Gene Simmons’ Legendary Lobue BASS disappeared in 1977 - NOW IT’S BACK!!

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  • Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
  • A friend of mine has recreated the legendary Lobue Custom Bass that Gene Simmons lost in 1977. This bass IS the classic Gene Simmons bass sound! Having played and listened to this bass it is more than likely that this is the bass (model) he recorded most of the classic Kiss albums with. This bass underwent many changes between 1973 and 1977, you can learn more about it on the excellent Axeology site:
    axeology.com/G...
    Gene Simmons used Ampeg SVT stacks live. I got the closest using a a 1965 Fender Showman 1x15' Tone Ring Cab Rig.

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  • @marksguitars5617
    @marksguitars5617 Год назад +9

    not sure why but my comments were deleted. I was saying that I worked at Alex Music after they took over Guitar Lab and some of Charlie's parts and people that worked with him were still there. I tried to post a website that details the history of LoBue. Paul Stanley had a black asymmetrical Flying V and a white double cutaway that Charlie made also, I believe both were stolen, Anyway, this bass looks and sounds dead on, cheers to the luthier! love your demo and playing Johan as always appreciate all that you do

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Thanks Mark! That’s weird I’m gonna check the filter and post your link if it’s there

  • @SteveOuimette
    @SteveOuimette Год назад +15

    What a tone! I've always used Gene's Alive tone as a benchmark for great rock bass and that Charlie LoBue bass is IT! Just incredible to see and hear it in that way, 100% Johann!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Thanks Steve! Glad you like it! I was thinking about the Electric Lady Studio touch ups of Alive 1. I appreciate your insights earlier. Do you know if the 4x12 they used only had greenbacks or if some of the speakers were changed for blackbacks? I know it’s unlikely that anyone would remember though. 😂

    • @SteveOuimette
      @SteveOuimette Год назад +1

      @@JohanSegeborn Of course, Johan!!! So good! Those Marshall's were right on the tail end of the greenback to blackback era and my guess is they would have remained stock either way since they had enough cabs that the speakers wouldn't have blown. To me they sound like they could have been blackback's but man...I don't know. And my guess is nobody ever even opened up the cabinets back then, just used them.

  • @sandorbronn1661
    @sandorbronn1661 Год назад +5

    KIck-axe, bro!

  • @siegfriedwashburn3484
    @siegfriedwashburn3484 Год назад +4

    Hi, Johan! The bass is awesome. Its very interesting to compare it to Cort Kiss series - "The Punisher" and "The Axe bass". Must be interesting. See you! Kiss forever!
    S.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +2

      Thanks Siegfried, great idea! See you!

  • @BenBenSings
    @BenBenSings 9 месяцев назад +1

    Anyone interested in getting an instrument that sounds as amazing as this and almost certainly plays better should check out Birdsong Basses. I’ve got three and play pretty heavily picked, melodically ambitious rock - the tone is nearly identical. 31” scale, full scale strings, passive pickups (one with a Dimarzio mud bucker type) - and it is ferocious. The builder, Scott Beckwith, is about the coolest guy on Earth (or at least in the United States!) - check them out. :)

  • @jcoulter43
    @jcoulter43 Год назад +3

    Wow, that things sounds fantastic! Like a sonic knuckle-sandwich to the face 😃 So powerful and punchy. The only thing that would have made it better was some Ace-like Plexi riffage on top. Would love to see you lay down some LP Plexi tones over top of that. Great stuff! God bless and rock on 🎸👍😎

  • @justincase6151
    @justincase6151 Год назад +7

    Gene's tone and Billy Sheehan's are my favorite. It always cuts through when it has to!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +2

      Love Billy’s tone and playing too. And he seems like a super nice guy!

    • @nuitari666uzgurzmor6
      @nuitari666uzgurzmor6 Год назад +1

      I had Billy‘s signature Ampeg bass preamp. Killer sound! Strong recomendation!

    • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
      @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

      Two very different tones and players.

    • @MusicStudent1
      @MusicStudent1 10 месяцев назад

      Both Gene and Billy are masters of their instruments. Billy took it farther with his ability to play, Gene took the bass further in the entertainment direction; singing while playing.

  • @michaelplaysbass
    @michaelplaysbass Год назад +4

    Amazing! What a neat project to undertake, and pretty stunning results. Awesome recording setup, Johan, and great aggressive pick playing; the sound is huge! Out of curiosity, what do the three knobs do? I assume one's volume, one's tone, but the third one is a mystery LOL.
    Also, HILARIOUS beach waterside scene in the end of this video! Great stuff all around, sir :D

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +8

      Thanks Michael! The third knob is actually disconnected. Gene did a lot of changes on this bass over the years and this version appeared in late 75. The Waterside scene is a actually a recreation of the the scene where the Knight (Max von Sydow) meets Death (Bengt Ekeroth) in Ingemar Bergmans 1959 movie ‘the Seventh Seal’. I’m actually at the exact recording location of that scene.

  • @richardbeck4193
    @richardbeck4193 Год назад +5

    It rocks 🤘

  • @massapower
    @massapower Год назад +2

    I'm hearing 100,000 years from the ALIVE BabY !! 😁🤟

  • @SCOTT-ki3ve
    @SCOTT-ki3ve Год назад +3

    Man that sounds so great. So big and beefy but clear and punchy. You dont even need guitar! I think thats really the best bass tone Ive ever heard, no exaggeration
    Makes me want to move the mudbucker on my SG bass to the bridge!

  • @tungtobak
    @tungtobak Год назад +2

    As a swede I naturally read the lost KISS BAJS on the thumbnail.

    • @danielktdoranie
      @danielktdoranie Год назад +1

      Explain to those of us who are not Swedish speakers?

  • @phildem414
    @phildem414 Год назад +1

    Gibson listened to you it seems, they the just presented a replica of the modded gene simmos eb-0!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Yeah, I’m so glad they’re releasing that one! Cheers

  • @Juanhellou
    @Juanhellou 8 месяцев назад

    Got tag, Johan! Non related: Did you pay a little homage to The Seventh Seal at the end?
    Regarding the base, it sounds amazing and I believe it captures the essence of the first three albums as well. That Eb hint during the 100,000 years riff was pure bliss. If a beginner wanted to recreate such sound, what gear would you suggest? Tak!

  • @-k-b-
    @-k-b- Год назад +2

    That tone is insane!!! Also wait so the head is an 8ohm going into a 4 ohm cab with an attenuator? This has been something I've been having trouble with when trying to find heads for my cab (which is a Sunn 4ohm 1x18)

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Thanks! No it’s an impedance matcher not an attenuatior. This is running at full volume 😃

  • @riangarianga
    @riangarianga Год назад +3

    Not owning more than one bass (that I really don't play so often), my ear isn't so developed to distinguish many bass tones, but I can certainly appreciate this one was gorgeous! I love that it has a good amount of low-end thud, without losing clarity. Hopefully in the future you'll use it in another video, again with drums and also some guitars.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +2

      Thanks! Great to hear that! It will definitely feature again

  • @phildem414
    @phildem414 Год назад +2

    Is the pickup a stock mudbucker ? This rocks, very underated basist IHMO
    The deep and vibrant ar the same time, unique sounding
    For the controls, volume-tone-dummy?
    STUNNING replica, 😍

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Thanks! Yeah the third knob is disconnected

  • @Superchixxx
    @Superchixxx Год назад +3

    Sounds awesome and yes, very Gene!!! Hope you've had a nice Summer

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Thanks my friend! Hope you’ve had a great one too!

  • @stefftrim
    @stefftrim Год назад +2

    Nice "Deuce" baseline, Johan. Gene Simmons played guitar in the beginning as teenager. I believe you made a really great impression. From '75 and on Ace played bass on pretty much all songs, written by him. Try to listen to Dynasty or Unmasked where Anton Fig was drummer, Ace played bass; take the bass line on "Torpedo Girl" in the beginning of the song. Ha' det bra, Johan

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Thanks Steffen! Interesting about Ace. Killer bas playing on his 78 solo album too!

  • @rocknroll1973
    @rocknroll1973 Год назад

    I don't like the look of the studio jtm. Wish they did it like the sv20h, the plexi look. You reckon it would be possible to swap the entire components of the studio jtm into the sv20h? Basically just swapping all the insides, putting the jtm into the sv20h box. And vice versa. Or not worth it?

  • @KISSFanDan1995
    @KISSFanDan1995 6 месяцев назад

    Some boutique guitar maker should make replicas of these and Paul’s Lobue offset Flying V.

  • @bobjoe7508
    @bobjoe7508 Год назад +3

    Holy crap, this is one of the best basses and bass rigs I've ever heard! It's been fun watching your channel for like 8 years now

  • @shawngroover9003
    @shawngroover9003 9 месяцев назад

    One would think that an SG bass would be a natural for Gene to own and use.
    OK, thought provoking time is over now.
    The Lobue bass is also a favorite here.
    Was it neck thru ?

  • @holleyroberts6702
    @holleyroberts6702 7 месяцев назад

    I have the punisher but looking to do his spector from alive 2 I always wondered about this bass in the kiss early years thanks for sharing!!

  • @chrisquinn9104
    @chrisquinn9104 Год назад

    Isn’t ALIVE! A Gibson? No live appearances I could see until ‘76

  • @kingjames8926
    @kingjames8926 5 месяцев назад

    It baffles me his bass is just gone lol someone knows what it actually is and worth so they gotta be hiding it lol. His real Loboe bass will shock us all when it appears.

  • @nelsonsilvaapiolaza7516
    @nelsonsilvaapiolaza7516 7 месяцев назад

    Deuce, 1000 years, parasite... what other song you play?

  • @ac81017
    @ac81017 Год назад +4

    That's one hell of a sound!!

  • @crflores76
    @crflores76 Год назад +2

    Really great tones, thanks for share…
    Hey johan you are a really “great influencer”… today I saw the Gibson announcement of new eb-0 Gene Simmons’s signature bass…. So quickly….
    😂😂😂

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Thanks! Yeah I’ve been lobbying for that earlier too. ruclips.net/video/TJTa-AJIqNw/видео.html
      Would be super cool if they saw my videos!

    • @crflores76
      @crflores76 Год назад

      @@JohanSegeborn jajaja, i saw too….👏👏👏👏

  • @mk773920ify
    @mk773920ify 9 месяцев назад

    I read an interview with Gene on e where he said he lent that bass to Micki Free and it either got damaged really bad or he just never got it back.

  • @Twobarpsi
    @Twobarpsi Год назад +2

    Sounds great Johan! It really is a short scale guitar! Very cool 😎🤘

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Thanks! Yeah it has the attack of a long scale bass for sure

  • @llnn5112
    @llnn5112 7 месяцев назад

    Great tone!!! What kind of overdrive are you using ?

  • @sonijam
    @sonijam Год назад +2

    COOL!!!!

  • @nathanmuniz3495
    @nathanmuniz3495 Год назад +3

    Sounds like Gene. Another great video.

  • @nunoharris
    @nunoharris Год назад

    Hi. Whats the brand of strings that you are using? Thanks

  • @AlexanderShibilski
    @AlexanderShibilski Год назад +3

    😁 excellent video Johan!

  • @corymorris6876
    @corymorris6876 Год назад

    Is there a way for the guys that built the bass to make more for people to buy?

  • @grega07656
    @grega07656 Год назад

    Ampeg SVT has entered the chat: “Where am I? 🙁”

  • @HandOfDoom9349
    @HandOfDoom9349 Год назад +3

    Assuming that's an ordinary Gibson-style mudbucker, I'm ASTOUNDED at how good that sounds in bridge position!
    Genuinely nailed that tone, well done.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Thanks Ben! It is indeed an ordinary Gibson mud bucker so it’s really dark and middy compared to other pickups even in the bridge position so it needs to be paired with a potentially super bright rig like the Showman

    • @jasondorsey7110
      @jasondorsey7110 Год назад

      ​@@JohanSegebornWhen I use my '71 super bassman, I always run it through the guitar input, basses sound better through that than the proper bass input, no clue though as to why that is

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Год назад +1

      These WERE best suited TO the bridge position, as they were overwound and super dark! I had an EB3 with 1 in the neck and it was useless, so I had a bass cut added to it and it thinned it out nicely!
      But IN the bridge position they are just dark enough, and has enough thump without being too bright!
      Billy Sheehan does use DM buckers like these in the bridge posi of his Yammy basses!

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Год назад

      @@jasondorsey7110 Filtering!

    • @HandOfDoom9349
      @HandOfDoom9349 Год назад +1

      ​@@DMSProduktionsBilly doesn't use bridge pickups - he originally used a Gibson mudbucker at the neck but now uses a DiMarzio or Yamaha version.

  • @chrispile3878
    @chrispile3878 Год назад +3

    Johan is having fun and sounding great!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Thanks, yeah an insane amount of fun! Cheers

  • @jamiegustkey2573
    @jamiegustkey2573 Год назад +1

    @ 3:50 I so wanted a third camera shot of you with a Les Paul going for the solo bouncing it off your hip… maybe a little smoke…
    👏🏻😁
    Thats great Johan!!

  • @jcwear89
    @jcwear89 Год назад +2

    This sounds super cool - love it , it growls

  • @trance9158
    @trance9158 8 месяцев назад

    Gene ran Sunn amps and cabs in those days.

  • @tyremanguitars
    @tyremanguitars Год назад +3

    massive sound! I'm impressed.

  • @emilrolof
    @emilrolof Год назад +1

    Nice, really impressive work building the bass and that rig sounds wonderful.
    I’ll definitely use an EVM-15L for bass recordings from now on. 😊

  • @JasonVoorhees1946_
    @JasonVoorhees1946_ Год назад +1

    Woow 😊

  • @darrellminx5459
    @darrellminx5459 Год назад +1

    Great video as always Johan. That is a killer bass. And you got it to come alive. Reminds me of a Fender jazz bass if it was high power. Cheers from Hawaii Darrell

  • @onlyfromadistance7326
    @onlyfromadistance7326 Год назад +3

    KISS ARMY FOREVER!!!

  • @philipdesailles5286
    @philipdesailles5286 Год назад

    PLEASE You will have to try out the new Friedman JEL Jake E. Lee 20 Watt Amplifier.

  • @klepetar
    @klepetar Год назад +1

    awesome

  • @davidoglesby6771
    @davidoglesby6771 Год назад +1

    Short Scale aswell right?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Yeah indeed

    • @davidoglesby6771
      @davidoglesby6771 8 месяцев назад

      Do you know if the Love Gun/Alive II ''Spector" Bass Is short scale aswell ?
      I love that bass to

  • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
    @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

    He had a heavily modded Gibson EB-O bass. Thought to be a prototype. The Humbucker pick up was moved from the neck position closer to Bridge. It had A fender type rounded bridge cover. A Frankenbass.

  • @Steve-mp7by
    @Steve-mp7by 7 месяцев назад

    ugh a pick? yuck

  • @4stringz.
    @4stringz. Год назад +2

    I'm in love with that bass!

  • @richsackett3423
    @richsackett3423 Год назад

    I don't understand why they would use the wrong bridge (like an Chinese Fender) on a project like that. It's the wrong sound.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Wrong bridge for what? After trying a couple of bridges throughout 73-75 Gene ended up putting a fender bridge in his bass in the autumn of 75. You can see the different versions here: axeology.com/LoBue.html#LoBue1976

    • @richsackett3423
      @richsackett3423 Год назад

      @@JohanSegeborn Excellent! All the contemporary pictures I found had a very different bridge. I saw no examples with a plain stamped steel bridge. Really caught my attention in the video because as a bassist then also, it seemed unlikely it wouldn’t have at least been a Leo Quan, maybe a one piece version of the Alembic. Those Fender bridges have always been crap hence the lucrative cottage industry of aftermarket ones.

  • @JONNIE_ROCKER
    @JONNIE_ROCKER Год назад +1

    👍👍🍺

  • @JosephBag
    @JosephBag Год назад +2

    Sounds great!

  • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
    @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

    He also played with a pick and used guitar amps at times for recordings.

  • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
    @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

    An (SG) EB-O modded bass. It wouldn’t sound like that where the pick up was originally placed! The grabber had the sliding pick up and brighter than other Gibson humbuckers.

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      I’ve only heard about an LP jr shaped EB-0. This one axeology.com/Gibson.html#EB0
      Do you have any references for SG shaped one and which guitar amps he used?

    • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
      @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

      @@JohanSegebornGene’s was shaped from an EBO and the pick up lowered from under the neck and closer to the bridge. The horns were sanded all the way down. It no longer looks like an EBO in any way shape or form. Total mod.

    • @Yodelinthegully-d7r
      @Yodelinthegully-d7r Год назад

      @@JohanSegebornI’ve done enough. I’m not doing all the heavy lifting. Search it like I did.

  • @eddieholmes3236
    @eddieholmes3236 Год назад +1

    Wow Johan, that is quite something! Do you know what wood they used?

  • @LeStraTele
    @LeStraTele Год назад +1

    Cool. I wanted one in 1976.
    I still want one now.

  • @dennadagettliv4743
    @dennadagettliv4743 Год назад

    Hej Johan!
    Hur kommer jag i kontakt med dig? Annat än i kommentarer på dina youtube klipp 😊

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +1

      Tjena! Jag har johan.segeborn@gmail.com

  • @RockBrutus
    @RockBrutus Год назад

    Har en 1987x som jag tänke testa lirar in bas på. Har du tips på 12" element som låter mest Gene? Elle r rekommenderar du ett 15 istället?

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад

      Tjena! Jag tror antingen 15” eller flera 10”. EVM15 låter grymt. Gene använde ampeg så hans element var nog CTS, Eminence eller JBL

    • @RockBrutus
      @RockBrutus Год назад

      @@JohanSegeborn Nice, får kolla lite 15". Hitta ett på blocket ifrån Wharehouse G15C. Men kanske är för gitarr. Körde lite innan på mitt 2x12 med Celestion G12-30 ifrån 1980. Lät rätt bra.
      Var en som sålde ett Fender gjort av JBL 15" på blocket men är borta nu.
      Har du nån e-post?

  • @GlennJimenez
    @GlennJimenez Год назад

    Love kiss. Hate the people.

    • @MichaelSorensen-bl3ec
      @MichaelSorensen-bl3ec Год назад

      Well, Gene and Paul I have no affection towards. More of an Ace/ Peter/Eric person. Still, I admire Gene's early bass playing, it had serious balls!

  • @jahjah67
    @jahjah67 8 месяцев назад

    Looks and sounds awesome. Love the video, Johan

  • @DMSProduktions
    @DMSProduktions Год назад

    I don't think Gene HAD these basses until around '76! Prev pix show Gene using various Gibsons, mostly Rippers & Grabbers.
    He & Paul DID have matching BROWN Charly Lobue DC guitar & bass, but Paul's was stolen at a gig, probably at 1 of the loft parties in the Village in early '73!

    • @JohanSegeborn
      @JohanSegeborn  Год назад +2

      He used it from the beginning in 73, bit it had lots of cosmetic and pickup changes. This version is from the fall of 75. You can read about it here: axeology.com/GENEindex.html

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Год назад

      @@JohanSegeborn Cool!
      C U ~ 40 mins! \m/

    • @ZaneSchlegelmilch
      @ZaneSchlegelmilch Год назад

      That's charlie lobue not billy

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Год назад

      @@ZaneSchlegelmilch I stand cockerected then!

  • @jazon65
    @jazon65 Год назад +1

    Gene Simons sound 🤟🏻

  • @bimlenbamlen6289
    @bimlenbamlen6289 7 месяцев назад

    This made me so happy! Takk!

  • @allendulles2481
    @allendulles2481 6 месяцев назад

    Nice.