Not even close. Steph was winning but didn’t have the one thing on his resume. Lamar in the playoffs, even coming off of mvp season, wasn’t playing up to his mvp self
@ it's similar in the sense that, they would always use that one point against each of those players to diminish their greatness. "Yeah Steph good but Steph doesn't have a finals mvp." "Yeah, Lamar good, but he still don't have a ring." Once Steph won FMVP, he Entered a new tier of greatness. Lamar wins a ring, he drops that "choking" reputation he's built, and jumps up into another tier of greatness. But yeah, Lamar gotta do some more important winning, no doubt.
ye but it ultimately doesn’t mean much for Lamar. as it stands he’s the second best qb of this generation anyways. if he wins one. The “what they gonna say now” is that you are still 2 trophies behind pat.
@@KameHouse23 To be fair those first 3 super bowls with Tom the team was stacked like a triple decker sub. I think most people would consider it a toss up ,as to the goat convo, if he wins this SB and at least 1 more. 5 with the only 3 peat is a dang strong argument. i think he 6 and the 3 peat most would lean Mahomes.
@@MikkiChavezbruh just cause you type in all caps don’t mean your all right 😂😂😂😂 mahomes legacy is cemented he can retire rn and still be in the goat convo Lamar was told to be a WR…before being drafted last in the 1st round…potential 3x MVP and a ring deff leans towards legacy changing more than mahomes if he’s sick you dead af 🤣🤣
Lamar can win it next year and it will be just as big. This is Mahomes only chance to three peat this year. Him winning this season means more than Lamar
If Lamar wins the SB that would be one of the hardest Super Bowl runs in history. Especially from his past performance to him to win this gauntlet would shut all the haters up
@@natelangston3262actually the Texans were the weakest until they weren’t and the broncos looked no better than the Steelers but yall goin pump them up bc the bills played them
Hes already 2 bro. But it makes it possibly for him to be the GOAT without having to get 7. If he gets a 3-peat and then gets another one down the line and has 5. Hes the goat
Yeah he is already in the goat debate eye test he’s the best qb from his play making arm legs all that he’s the best qb ever but accolades he is number 2 considering he’s better than Montana and Montana played with Jerry rice the greatest wr of all time and his number ain’t close to mahomes
If you think about it if it wasn’t for Mahomes Allen would have two Super Bowl appearances and Lamar would’ve had at least one. 😆 the GOAT held both of them back
@@KCocteau15 if you think about it Mahomes always had all time great weapon in Kelce to start his career. This is Lamar’s first year with weapon like that and he’s going to soar past Midhomes
@@doriang85 so? Mahomes played like trash this year. Are you saying Joe Flacco is better than someone like Dan Marino because he has a ring? And Brady has more rings than literally every other team
One SB enhances any QBs legacy, even more for one with multiple MVPs So yes it is Lamar. BUT the Mahomes 3-peat is probably the ultimate!!! TO 3-PEAT IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE. MAHOMES IS 3HOURS OF FOOTBALL AWAY FROM DOING THAT.
Mahomes is the only one of those 3 with a REAL legacy. One that people will actually still remember and talk about in decades to come. Lamar and Allen are undoubtedly great, but will they be referenced 20 years from now? Mahomes will. Every SB he wins adds to that, and also gets him closer to Brady's Superbowl wins, further cementing him into history.
The other two aren't in the convo because they don't have a super bowl ring yet.. that's why it's more important for Allen and Lamar because what if one of them wins this year and then another 1 or two with the rest of their career and Mahomes doesn't win any more for the rest of his career. Suddenly they're sitting next to Mahomes in that legacy talk and Brady sits alone as the GOAT.
“Ya but he’d still be 3 championships away from Tom Brady” 3 away before turning 30 to a guy that won 7 and played till he was 45…. Yes, if Pat win this superbowl the goat convo is on.
My goodness, SAS and Canty 🤦🏾♂️ the question is about legacy, not who has more to gain 🙄 Three peat puts Mahomes in a room by himself! Lemar, being the great regular season QB that he is, has a shot at making the SB in the coming years. Mahomes only has this season to three peat!
Its Mahomes.. he’s trying to be the GOAT. Allen and Jackson is not chasing Brady. If Mahomes gets another one, Montana wouldn’t even be in the conversation anymore
@@OGking831he’s been passed up manning in most ppls eyes. It’s been Montana that some ppl argue is still ahead of him which I don’t agree with but hey. Lamar is more like the manning of this generation gobbling up mvps but not winning anything
@@bigzaksnak9998 SB wins yes, but in terms of accolades? no. Manning has more accolades in overall than Montana and when he won his 2nd SB he was undisputed no.2 behind Brady.
In historic terms, Mahomes getting a 3peat is more significant than Lamar finally getting a superbowl but individual player legacy wise its Lamar bc of all his mega struggles in the postseason
@@hybrid8557yes wth. That’s the whole argument against Lamar is that he shrinks in the postseason. He played a struggling Steelers team did well but buffalo is the real test
I think a SB win for any of them would cement them as one of the best to play, but Mahomes to have a threepeat, would cement him as THE greatest to ever play. A conversation that would be finale.
It's Pat. If Lamar wins a superbowl, nobody will rejoice and prop him up. The question immediately becomes can he do it again and now all he is is 2 behind Pat. One superbowl really just gets you in the door. I've never seen one superbowl define a legacy in a positive way. Short term, it gets us talking, legacy wise, just scratching the surface.
@Galero15 they have the same number of MVPs (at the moment) and the same number of all pros. IMO 1 superbowl doesn't change the convo, it simple gets him in the door definitely separates him from Joe and Josh.
Stafford. If the Rams win it all, Stafford will be known as the greatest comeback quarterback in the history of the game. It will elevate his legacy from a one hit wonder, to one of the all-time greats.
@@sdot266the NFL made it very clear they were all in on the Kelce/Swift thing and obviously wanted that imagery of Taylor Swift on the field with Kelce after a SB win. There will always be an asterisk on last year for me due to Swift.
The funny thing is, while I think the answer is Mahomes just because it’s a three peat, if Jayden Daniels somehow won it all he would gain even more in terms of legacy than Lamar or Josh.
Are we serious? Mahomes has 2 years straight of the perfect seasons, going for a 3rd IN A ROW, and people are trying to make an argument for Lamar? 😂 Even if Lamar wins this year, he’s still not better than Mahomes all time!
3peat or not 3peating, Mahomes is already in the GOAT conversation either way. He has nothing to prove and he still has a few years to get more chips under his belt, so I don't even know why he's in this conversation. So this goes to Lamar. Of the three QB's, he's the one who has done the least in the post-season.
It’s 1000% Lamar. He would destroy the very last narrative that people hold against. He’s broken records, won mvps, is one of the greatest regular season players, and a ring would catapult him to top 7-10 QBs of all time convos
Mahomes is already a first ballot hall of famer. He has nothing left to prove. Jackson is a possible 3x MVP but hasn’t got it done when it actually matters.
Highly disagree. He has a good chance to increase his case for the GOAT title with this title this early in his career. With the potential of winning more at that.
Allen would be top 5 as well he doesn’t need a mvp he needs a ring or two. He has had several seasons equal to or better statistically than both Lamar’s mvp seasons. If Lamar had last season stats he would not win mvp in 2020 and 2021 which Allen had better stats but rodgers was playing like the goat. It’s all relative so it means nothing without context.
With a Super Bowl or two along with multiple All-Pro and Pro Bowl honors, a 10-15 year career, and his passing and rushing stats…Lamar could put himself in contention for the best NFL player and not just QB in my opinion.
A 3peat is more to gain over one anyday. When Mahomes won his first SB he was still just considered a good player, even with two. Now he has the chance to be considered the GOAT with this 3peat.
@justinstrawhorn7979 That's because people are crazy. If he win this one, then it's an argument about being the goat he's not there yet. I hope Lamar gets multiple rings just after the cheifs 3peat
I believe it’s Mahomes with the most to gain until the streak is over. Lamar is 28 years old and winning a Super Bowl now or 2 years from now won’t make a difference. What Mahomes and the Chiefs are chasing is something that has never been done, and possibly will never be done again. Winning 3 straight Super Bowls will be nearly impossible to accomplish again by a team.
@@justinjurgens2332 LOL delusional. Lamar winning a ring would make him closer to Mahomes than Mahomes is to Brady. Also forever changes history of NFL and opens floodgates for athletic players staying at QB position at lower levels as Lamar becomes the standard
Mahomes not even close .. he’s trying to 3 peat the 1 Super Bowl won’t change anything for Lamar or Allen in the all time rankings … still wont be top 5
maybe you need to scan over lamar's accolades and records set/broken at the young age of 28.. if Lamar wins a chip he maybe won't be a SOLIDIFIED Top 5 but he'd definitely be an ARGUABLE Top 5. especially if you consider majority of he NFL media world has said for decades that you can't win with the style Lamar plays with.. someone who leads a total shift in how teams draft QBs goes out there and wins a SB, he'll set a whole new precedent as to what "winning Quarterback play" looks like.. that's Top 5 argument worthy
Wrong. A mahomes 3 peat does what? Move him up a couple spots in the top 5 qb convo? A Lamar sb puts him in the top 10 qb all time list which is a bigger jump
Are. You seriously mahomes is top. 2. Yes, Brady is number one for now and your never know what is going to happen. Allen and Jackson haven't beat mahomes in a playoff ever
Jalen hurts is a dual threat and was a fumble away from bringing the eageles their second chip.. I wonder why he’s never mentioned when it comes to to dual threats being able to lead their teams to the big game
Honestly, any of them that win a Superbowl elevates themself. Mahomes,Lamar,Allen,Burrow,Stroud,Herbert. If any of them win it all its huge because they all have to go thru each other to do it. They're all HOF talents right now at least.
Mahomes winning it for the 3Peat would help the Chiefs top the Patriots Dynasty as arguably the most dominant dynasty in NFL history. Regardless of whether they win or not though, the Chiefs will continue to be a perennial contenders as long as they rule the AFC West with Mahomes & Reid. But I'm still rooting for a Bills-Lions Super Bowl this year with a Lions W.
@@lethalninjaskills it would be 4 superbowls in 7 years and the first ever 3 peat that would be better then 6 super bowls in 20 years not sure what you are smoking dude
Lamar would become a bonafide 1st ballot HOFer with a SB win, especially if he got a third MVP and a SB MVP to go with it. Not only that, it would cure him completely of any post-season jitters in the future and lead to more SBs
Allen if wins the MVP, because if he wins it means he’ll have beaten Lamar, Mahomes twice, and an nfc powerhouse on the way to win the SB. He then has a legitimate case for best player in the league, and his accomplishments would validate his talent. He’ll be put into the BOAT conversation with Aaron and Marino
Lamar next question & Saturday don’t understand what it would mean little kids in the hood will cry watching Lamar win, and dang canty you right about Marvin Lewis SA use to get on him bad back in day for not winning playoff games
Jackson went back to his old playing style in the last playoff game and it threw the Steelers off guard. If other teams can't handle him running the ball the Ravens have a good chance to get to the SB.
Allen and it’s not close. He would’ve beaten 2 MVPs, including Mahomes who has 3 rings now and an NFC juggernaut. The bills haven’t even won a SB yet! Allen would be the goat Bills QB!
Patrick is already in the Goat debate but it means more to Lamar. The only thing separating Lamar from Patrick is the Superbowls because lamar actually has more regular season achievements. If lamar can win one Superbowl it will be hard to keep him out of top 10 all time talks
@@jctslice having one thing someone else doesnt have doesnt separate Goat lmao. This is exactly why ur poor and didnt make it far in life. ur genuinely stupid asf. that logic makes no sense. by ur logic Lebron is the Goat bc he has the new tournament championship and Jordan doesnt 💀 . By ur logic Brady won a ring on another team and mohomos hasn't, so therefore he is the goat. man ur race doesnt inprove at al
Even with ref controversy because let’s not act like spy gate deflated ball and the fumble that was called a forward pass to start the pats dynasty ain’t happen
@@carterstilllivewhy? Lebron is better than Kobe and is 2nd best behind mj in most people’s eyes(he’s number 1 for me tho). Mahomes would be 2nd best behind Brady.
Steph legacy was already doomed when he blew a 3-1 lead. He proved he can be "the guy" Yes. But so did a lot of other players like Kobe Duncan Shaq etc.
@ if u talking Super Bowl wise then no bc he’s only got 2 compared to 6 but from eye test and what mahomes has consistently done in the playoffs which is win and not fall off like other qbs. There’s a reason why other sports guys have him in that conversation if not above Brady
I mean if Goff gets his ring you can bet Detroit is gonna build a statue. Not saying he’s got the most to gain, I’m just saying Goff gets a ring and you might have to throw him in this conversation next time
Jackson only needs playoff success to be in all-time conversation. Mahomes already has status, Allen has to do more for his team than anyone. Ravens 9 pro bowlers Bills 2 pro bowlers, if Allen would win super bowl would elevate him to Superman status
How was was Tomlin supposed to win that playoff game?? No tell me. Russell Wilson against the league MVP. It’s hard to compete in the league without an elite QB. And the only teams who can have an elite run game and adequate weapons. Steelers need a better roster not a better coach.
@@mrunalray142 Lamar 32nd pick. Purdy Mr. Irrelevant. Russel Wilson 3rd round. Dak 2nd round Aaron Rodgers 24th. Drew Brees 2nd round. Those are just a few that I could think of. I'm sure there are plenty more.
@@mrunalray142 they don’t have to be bad for five years…It literally just takes one. And would you rather be what the Steelers have been for the past decade or would your rather at least give your team a shot to change. They have no future at QB currently and the likelihood of trading for one isn’t high
@tristingarcia5718 i would be what they have been for the past decade any day. There is no guarantee they land on a great qb. And even if they do it's equally hard if not more to find a HOF level coach. Look at teams around the league who have been bad for decades. Every year they have turnover at QB or HC. It's hard winning in the NFL, why would you get rid of a great coach. He keeps your franchise relevant and gives you a chance year in and year out. The steelers need a QB not a new HC.
Hands down Josh Allen. To these guys he's just a gifted athlete that puts on a cape and leaps over defenders. He's also the guy that will never be as valuable as Lamar, he's also the guy that can't beat Mahommes in the playoffs. Now, to even get to the SB, Allen has to beat Lamar, chances are he'll have to go to Arrowhead and beat Mahommes, and then bring the FIRST lambardi trophy home to Buffalo. The question is who's legacy improves the most. By far it's Allen. The other two have already set the ground work to their legacy with SB wins and MVP awards. The only legacy Allen has laid out is within the Bills franchise. He has so much more to gain with a Super Bowl win
The question is “whose legacy improves the most”. It’s Lamar’s and it’s not even close. We already know how great Mahomes is. He’s alright cemented himself as a top three QB in NFL history. He could never win another Super Bowl and he would still be in the goat conversation. Lamar needs this Super Bowl to legitimize his legacy. He’s been doubted ever since he got into the league. Not only does he need to ball out this post season, but he needs to win the big one in order for these pundits and doubters to give him his respect.
I really hate when these fools get on their platforms and start spreading misinformation about who the GOAT is. There is no conversation there right now. There is no arguing it.
The question is whose legacy WOULD IMPROVE THE MOST? it's Lamar but also Josh Allen. Josh is a great QB that has been ridiculed for years for his turnovers (totally fair). Winning a SB going through Lamar and likely Mahomes brings into a rare club and completely changes his legacy. Lamar winning + his MVPs of course puts him into an all time convo. Can certainly make the argument for all 3.
I think this gotta be one of the few years where a lot of legacy defining things will happen for qbs from here on out: Mahomes, Lamar, josh Allen ofc being the big three choices, but stafford, jayden daniels, and even jared goff will be pretty career defining if they win. Jalen hurts and cj stroud are the main ones where its like oh well, its great for them, but ik their place and standard in the league wont change much, because we know who they are, and its just their first in a relatively young but slightly experienced career for them - so prove it to me a bit more you can continue performing like this consistently. To me though, its gotta be pat mahomes with the most legacy on the line. If he wins, hes done something no other qb has done before. If he loses, it could be to the point where people will start having conversations whether he is #1 anymore and if hes fallen. Its a climactic legacy defining playoffs for him for aome reason.
Funny how nobody mentions Goff. He's been on some great teams in his career. That 13-3 loss against New England in SB 53 still has to be eating him up inside.
I'd likely agree with SAS more if this chip wasn't for a 3-peat. If it was just another ring for Mahomes, then it would be Lamar all day. However, THIS chip means more for the legacy of Mahomes, because it's a 3-peat, than it does for Lamar's.
Lamar Jackson. If he wins one, the narrative that a QB who plays like him cannot win a Super Bowl will be crushed. Lamar winning is the for “the culture” as well. Him winning would be a celebration and a proud moment for the entire African American community
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Lamar winning a Super Bowl would be similar to Steph winning the finals mvp: "what they gonna say now?"
Not even close. Steph was winning but didn’t have the one thing on his resume. Lamar in the playoffs, even coming off of mvp season, wasn’t playing up to his mvp self
@ it's similar in the sense that, they would always use that one point against each of those players to diminish their greatness. "Yeah Steph good but Steph doesn't have a finals mvp." "Yeah, Lamar good, but he still don't have a ring."
Once Steph won FMVP, he Entered a new tier of greatness. Lamar wins a ring, he drops that "choking" reputation he's built, and jumps up into another tier of greatness.
But yeah, Lamar gotta do some more important winning, no doubt.
@@aiii5932 how old was stéph when he won the first ring 26 ?
ye but it ultimately doesn’t mean much for Lamar. as it stands he’s the second best qb of this generation anyways. if he wins one. The “what they gonna say now” is that you are still 2 trophies behind pat.
It'll be more like Jokic. Curry already was a made man, he just had one blemish. Lamar needs to prove he's legit in the playoffs
It can’t be anything but the threepeat, Lamar needs it more but there is nothing more legacy defining than that
Mahomes easily chasing a 3peat and on the heels of Brady this early in his career is insane.. Brady played for 20 years.
😂😂😂😂 bro exactly with better competition tom Brady had to go through top notch hof
@@ChiefsKingdom22 yes but Brady’s still is almost untouchable based on how he started playing football and how he got drafted. The players he had too.
Brady was still winning super bowls in his late 30s & 40s.
@@KameHouse23 To be fair those first 3 super bowls with Tom the team was stacked like a triple decker sub. I think most people would consider it a toss up ,as to the goat convo, if he wins this SB and at least 1 more. 5 with the only 3 peat is a dang strong argument. i think he 6 and the 3 peat most would lean Mahomes.
@ I agree bro I’m not saying that it isn’t but as of right now no. If he wins another this year then he’s up there even without another Super Bowl.
8:39 "nobody's wrong" is probably the hottest take of the segment. Well done
No it's not lol MAHOMES is chasing literal history that NEVER been done. Wtf is this?
@@MikkiChavezLamar is about to do something never done before if he doesn't win a chip
@Legiey it's borderline idiocy to say whatever Lamar is doing is more than 3peating. You are sick
@@MikkiChavez 3 time mvp with no chips would be crazy
@@MikkiChavezbruh just cause you type in all caps don’t mean your all right 😂😂😂😂 mahomes legacy is cemented he can retire rn and still be in the goat convo Lamar was told to be a WR…before being drafted last in the 1st round…potential 3x MVP and a ring deff leans towards legacy changing more than mahomes if he’s sick you dead af 🤣🤣
Lamar duh especially if he goes through Allen and Mahomes to do it while beating a prime Burrow twice in the same season
allen beat the lions and cheifs in playoffs already both number 1 seeds and if he wins finally beating pat mahoems would also be insane tho
along with patmahomes almost 3 peat never been done before
Don't forget get beating 17 playoffs teams in a two year span with historical season that super bowl win going be special for Lamar Jackson
It's the defenses that wins or loses the games vs the qbs . It's not the qb's vs each other on the field. The qb glaze is crazy
@Dilithium.regular season and Lamar beat Allen in regular season also
it’s Lamar and it’s not even close
Lamar the African quitter Jackson will go full African and fold like a lawn chair 🚬😅
Oh now it’s Lamar who will gain the most but he doesn’t have the most to lose 😂
@@goodnightmunchieGo to bed.
What? Mahomes has a chance at a 3 peat … it’s him not even close
Yea especially how they dragged him as a QB Prospect on draft day 😎
Lamar, duh, especially if he goes through Allen and Mahomes while beating a prime Burrow twice in the same season.
Lamar can win it next year and it will be just as big. This is Mahomes only chance to three peat this year. Him winning this season means more than Lamar
He's eliminated so...
If Lamar wins the SB that would be one of the hardest Super Bowl runs in history. Especially from his past performance to him to win this gauntlet would shut all the haters up
His first play off game was the weakest team in the afc. Maybe in the playoffs
@@natelangston3262actually the Texans were the weakest until they weren’t and the broncos looked no better than the Steelers but yall goin pump them up bc the bills played them
Buddy did not watch the Chiefs in the playoffs last year. Had to go through Josh Allen in Buffalo, Lamar in Baltimore, & the Niners.
@@natelangston3262 Look at the rest of the season and who's he's had to play (and beat) to make it there..
@@natelangston3262 But the Broncos had a worse record than the Steelers ....But throw shade on Ravens wins but no shade on the Bills wins
Mahomes, as a chiefs fan with a 3peat it atleast puts him in the goat debate nd solidifies him as 2 4sho
He already top 2 in my eyes
@@meethvnchoyeah cuz you never saw Joe Montana play.
@@Aii896 pressure on the swifty nation and the white Chief 🚬😳
Hes already 2 bro. But it makes it possibly for him to be the GOAT without having to get 7. If he gets a 3-peat and then gets another one down the line and has 5. Hes the goat
Yeah he is already in the goat debate eye test he’s the best qb from his play making arm legs all that he’s the best qb ever but accolades he is number 2 considering he’s better than Montana and Montana played with Jerry rice the greatest wr of all time and his number ain’t close to mahomes
If you think about it if it wasn’t for Mahomes Allen would have two Super Bowl appearances and Lamar would’ve had at least one.
😆 the GOAT held both of them back
He's about to hold them up Lamar and Allen again this year. 3 peat on the way.
@@KCocteau15 if you think about it Mahomes always had all time great weapon in Kelce to start his career. This is Lamar’s first year with weapon like that and he’s going to soar past Midhomes
@@truthbearer7891I’m coming back to this comment
@@truthbearer7891 If Mahomes played with the Ravens, Mark Andrews would be as great as Kelce
@@truthbearer7891u just mad Kelce gave yall 100 yards in the afc championship in Baltimore
Oddly enough it’s Mahomes because then the goat conversation gets more interesting if he has a 3-peat
He lost to the goat that debate is sealed
@ for some. That’s not how I judge things but I see your point.
@@justinmathis7707the GOAT never 3peated
Bro ain't a goat
@@doriang85 so? Mahomes played like trash this year. Are you saying Joe Flacco is better than someone like Dan Marino because he has a ring? And Brady has more rings than literally every other team
I agree with Saturday on this one
I agree with Sunday to be fair
Yeah Monday sucks
Mahomes is already established though
Molly was right
I felt Tuesday had some key points
A 3peat for Mahomes puts him in GOAT conversation despite losing head to head to Brady
One SB enhances any QBs legacy, even more for one with multiple MVPs
So yes it is Lamar. BUT the Mahomes 3-peat is probably the ultimate!!!
TO 3-PEAT IS PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE. MAHOMES IS 3HOURS OF FOOTBALL AWAY FROM DOING THAT.
Well said!!!
Mahomes is the only one of those 3 with a REAL legacy. One that people will actually still remember and talk about in decades to come. Lamar and Allen are undoubtedly great, but will they be referenced 20 years from now? Mahomes will. Every SB he wins adds to that, and also gets him closer to Brady's Superbowl wins, further cementing him into history.
Thats why the question confused me. Sure lamar jackson might win his 3rd mvp but he and Allen havent done much compared to Mahomes
Allen and lamar are just hall of fame caliber qbs. Mahomes is echelons above them and the face of the sport.
The other two aren't in the convo because they don't have a super bowl ring yet.. that's why it's more important for Allen and Lamar because what if one of them wins this year and then another 1 or two with the rest of their career and Mahomes doesn't win any more for the rest of his career. Suddenly they're sitting next to Mahomes in that legacy talk and Brady sits alone as the GOAT.
“Ya but he’d still be 3 championships away from Tom Brady”
3 away before turning 30 to a guy that won 7 and played till he was 45…. Yes, if Pat win this superbowl the goat convo is on.
Should’ve won at least 9 of them thangz 😂
My goodness, SAS and Canty 🤦🏾♂️ the question is about legacy, not who has more to gain 🙄 Three peat puts Mahomes in a room by himself! Lemar, being the great regular season QB that he is, has a shot at making the SB in the coming years. Mahomes only has this season to three peat!
You wish you had a great any kind of quarterback clown trying to throw shade allen ain't never been the best in anything except dck... eating 😂😂
Its Mahomes.. he’s trying to be the GOAT. Allen and Jackson is not chasing Brady. If Mahomes gets another one, Montana wouldn’t even be in the conversation anymore
It would elevate his greatness for sure, but if Lamar wins, it would put him with the ALL time great
he'd be solidied as three behind manning and Brady
@@OGking831he’s been passed up manning in most ppls eyes. It’s been Montana that some ppl argue is still ahead of him which I don’t agree with but hey. Lamar is more like the manning of this generation gobbling up mvps but not winning anything
@@bigzaksnak9998 SB wins yes, but in terms of accolades? no. Manning has more accolades in overall than Montana and when he won his 2nd SB he was undisputed no.2 behind Brady.
@@Jasoncj099 y'all glazing Lamar so bad bruh
In historic terms, Mahomes getting a 3peat is more significant than Lamar finally getting a superbowl but individual player legacy wise its Lamar bc of all his mega struggles in the postseason
Mega struggles in the postseason? Come on now
@@hybrid8557 11 TDs and 9 TOs in postseason.
that's a mega struggle
@@hybrid8557yes wth. That’s the whole argument against Lamar is that he shrinks in the postseason. He played a struggling Steelers team did well but buffalo is the real test
@@OGking831 context matters but wtv
@ Lamar's team was never bad in the regular season. If anything they shrink come playoff time, that's the difference.
I think a SB win for any of them would cement them as one of the best to play, but Mahomes to have a threepeat, would cement him as THE greatest to ever play. A conversation that would be finale.
7>4
@@michaeltamul5003 peat>back to back
It's Pat. If Lamar wins a superbowl, nobody will rejoice and prop him up. The question immediately becomes can he do it again and now all he is is 2 behind Pat. One superbowl really just gets you in the door. I've never seen one superbowl define a legacy in a positive way. Short term, it gets us talking, legacy wise, just scratching the surface.
If Lamar wins, he has more MVPs and All Pros than Pat. It's 1 ring to 3, but it completely changes the perception of that conversation
@@Galero15 But we know if he wins, the media will still nitpick and find something to criticize about him.
@Galero15 they have the same number of MVPs (at the moment) and the same number of all pros. IMO 1 superbowl doesn't change the convo, it simple gets him in the door definitely separates him from Joe and Josh.
@@Galero15it literally doesn't. you just goofy
Y’all ever noticed how biased the media is for Lamar Jackson?
Stafford. If the Rams win it all, Stafford will be known as the greatest comeback quarterback in the history of the game. It will elevate his legacy from a one hit wonder, to one of the all-time greats.
The smartest take I’ve seen!!
0/10 rage bait
Saturday is correct.
The Lamar glaze is crazy, it’s mahomes all day, a three peat ? Rather have 3 rings back to back then 3 mvps
😂😂😂😂 well get ready to cry because it's not happening unless Taylor Swift pay for another super bowl
@@Mrfantastic-hp2enoh so Taylor swift payed for the last Super Bowl ?
@@sdot266the NFL made it very clear they were all in on the Kelce/Swift thing and obviously wanted that imagery of Taylor Swift on the field with Kelce after a SB win. There will always be an asterisk on last year for me due to Swift.
@@toddbrown242you're pathetic & just delusional. Go watch tennis dumm. Blaming a pop star😂 your parents should be disgusted
@@toddbrown242yet you still watch
Its Allen,, if he wins the Super Bowl he will end Buffalo's curse and make their fans slowly start to forget the 90''s Super Bowl failures
I want Josh to get one just not yet. I want Lamar to get his out the way this year and then Josh and then Mahomes can take back over or not idc.
The funny thing is, while I think the answer is Mahomes just because it’s a three peat, if Jayden Daniels somehow won it all he would gain even more in terms of legacy than Lamar or Josh.
STOP IT
Thankfully we can all comfortably say THAT ISNT HAPPENING
@@thatstheway2429 the African community the white Chief and the swiftys 🚬🫨
BRO THOUGHT HE COOKED WITH THIS ONE
More than Josh Allen? A big maybe. But definitely not more than Lamar.
Are we serious? Mahomes has 2 years straight of the perfect seasons, going for a 3rd IN A ROW, and people are trying to make an argument for Lamar? 😂 Even if Lamar wins this year, he’s still not better than Mahomes all time!
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@@coreymcrae3528what’s cap?
3peat or not 3peating, Mahomes is already in the GOAT conversation either way. He has nothing to prove and he still has a few years to get more chips under his belt, so I don't even know why he's in this conversation. So this goes to Lamar. Of the three QB's, he's the one who has done the least in the post-season.
It’s 1000% Lamar. He would destroy the very last narrative that people hold against. He’s broken records, won mvps, is one of the greatest regular season players, and a ring would catapult him to top 7-10 QBs of all time convos
Top 3-5 Easily
If We’re Being Honest
Mahomes would be the first 3-peat that’s the only answer honestly 😭
I think the Refs will lean towards a Bill's Vs Chiefs AFC championship game.
Mahomes is already a first ballot hall of famer. He has nothing left to prove. Jackson is a possible 3x MVP but hasn’t got it done when it actually matters.
Highly disagree. He has a good chance to increase his case for the GOAT title with this title this early in his career. With the potential of winning more at that.
that Marvin Lewis and Mike T. comparison from Canty really hurt Stephen A. cause he couldn't argue against it.....😂🤣😂
Low blow 😂😂
At least Tomlin won a SB while Lewis wasted the Bengals potential and should had been to at least 2 AFC Championship games
Lamar with a SB would be in top 5 all time conversations, Allen would crack top 15 maybe, and Mahomes could be considered the Goat, but anyways, is LJ
The glazing is crazy no he would not
@@GrimReaper_2005 3 MVPs, 3 All pros, 1 SB, the way he has changed the game, top 5 convos fs
@@GrimReaper_2005 great arguments by you btw
Allen would be top 5 as well he doesn’t need a mvp he needs a ring or two. He has had several seasons equal to or better statistically than both Lamar’s mvp seasons. If Lamar had last season stats he would not win mvp in 2020 and 2021 which Allen had better stats but rodgers was playing like the goat. It’s all relative so it means nothing without context.
@@anthonyoliveiraribeiro6646 No rings bruh if that's the case Aaron is a top 5 QB all time but he's not
Imagine thinking a 1st Super Bowl is bigger than a 3-peat
😂😂😂😂 y'all glazing that 3 peat he still not Brady he never ever will be Brady and Brady smoke him in the super bowl
@@Mrfantastic-hp2en he'll pass Brady with the 3peat
Because that 1 SB will be more earned than the 3 peat
@@Mrfantastic-hp2enhe’s better than your QB will ever be tho, how’s that feel??
@@Mrfantastic-hp2en3 more pumps & a twist & you'll make Brady proud
With a Super Bowl or two along with multiple All-Pro and Pro Bowl honors, a 10-15 year career, and his passing and rushing stats…Lamar could put himself in contention for the best NFL player and not just QB in my opinion.
This is what I’m saying, Lamar has a chance to enter the GOAT debate
@@gonnie5501 lamar could win 2 superbowls and he still wont pass mahomes so no he wont enter the goat debate.
Montana has all that and 4 Super Bowls. Nobody cares about QB rushing yards other than fantasy geeks.
@ thanks for sharing your opinion
Why is Mahomes even in this conversation. The man had 3 rings and 2 MVPs 🤦🏾♂️
A 3peat is more to gain over one anyday. When Mahomes won his first SB he was still just considered a good player, even with two. Now he has the chance to be considered the GOAT with this 3peat.
People already make an argument for pat being a goat, it would move mountains for Lamar to finally win a championship
@justinstrawhorn7979 That's because people are crazy. If he win this one, then it's an argument about being the goat he's not there yet. I hope Lamar gets multiple rings just after the cheifs 3peat
Modern GOAT I could see it but All-Time GOAT? I think he's still quite a ways away.
@@SmileyBoi21yeah modern day goat, I’d say he needs at least 5-6 to be in the all time goat conversation
I believe it’s Mahomes with the most to gain until the streak is over. Lamar is 28 years old and winning a Super Bowl now or 2 years from now won’t make a difference. What Mahomes and the Chiefs are chasing is something that has never been done, and possibly will never be done again. Winning 3 straight Super Bowls will be nearly impossible to accomplish again by a team.
@@justinjurgens2332 LOL delusional. Lamar winning a ring would make him closer to Mahomes than Mahomes is to Brady. Also forever changes history of NFL and opens floodgates for athletic players staying at QB position at lower levels as Lamar becomes the standard
Mahomes not even close .. he’s trying to 3 peat the 1 Super Bowl won’t change anything for Lamar or Allen in the all time rankings … still wont be top 5
Lamar top 5 with a ring
maybe you need to scan over lamar's accolades and records set/broken at the young age of 28.. if Lamar wins a chip he maybe won't be a SOLIDIFIED Top 5 but he'd definitely be an ARGUABLE Top 5. especially if you consider majority of he NFL media world has said for decades that you can't win with the style Lamar plays with.. someone who leads a total shift in how teams draft QBs goes out there and wins a SB, he'll set a whole new precedent as to what "winning Quarterback play" looks like.. that's Top 5 argument worthy
Wrong. A mahomes 3 peat does what? Move him up a couple spots in the top 5 qb convo? A Lamar sb puts him in the top 10 qb all time list which is a bigger jump
@@nevar5232Mahomes is already top 5 all time QB
Are. You seriously mahomes is top. 2. Yes, Brady is number one for now and your never know what is going to happen. Allen and Jackson haven't beat mahomes in a playoff ever
The answer has to be the least accomplished one which is Josh Allen. The other two are already in the history books.
Oh now Lamar fans sayin he has the most to gain but the other week they were saying he doesn’t have the most to lose 😂 boi yall sumthin else
Lol... Get that salt out yah heart 😂
@@naklovesjesus3204 lol u know im right and thank you for sayin a word other than “hate” 🤣
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Lol.. Nah Lamar and Allen... Maybe Goff... Have lots to gain from a SB victory
@@naklovesjesus3204 oh for sure they do ..all I’m sayin is they said Lamar didn’t have the most to lose out the 3
Yall really hate Josh Allen that’s crazy
Tomlin doesn't need a fresh start, he needs a QB
Exactly…you CANNOT succeed in the afc like the nfc with below average qb play.
Jalen hurts is a dual threat and was a fumble away from bringing the eageles their second chip.. I wonder why he’s never mentioned when it comes to to dual threats being able to lead their teams to the big game
Honestly, any of them that win a Superbowl elevates themself. Mahomes,Lamar,Allen,Burrow,Stroud,Herbert. If any of them win it all its huge because they all have to go thru each other to do it. They're all HOF talents right now at least.
Herbert isn’t in that conversation with no playoff wins
I agree with Jeff Saturday
Mahomes winning it for the 3Peat would help the Chiefs top the Patriots Dynasty as arguably the most dominant dynasty in NFL history. Regardless of whether they win or not though, the Chiefs will continue to be a perennial contenders as long as they rule the AFC West with Mahomes & Reid. But I'm still rooting for a Bills-Lions Super Bowl this year with a Lions W.
😂😂😂. No one will ever top the pats 20 year dynasty. Mahomes has to make 5 more super bowls to tie 😂😂😂
@@lethalninjaskills it would be 4 superbowls in 7 years and the first ever 3 peat that would be better then 6 super bowls in 20 years not sure what you are smoking dude
Mofr super bowls is better@@15redly
Lamar would become a bonafide 1st ballot HOFer with a SB win, especially if he got a third MVP and a SB MVP to go with it. Not only that, it would cure him completely of any post-season jitters in the future and lead to more SBs
Allen if wins the MVP, because if he wins it means he’ll have beaten Lamar, Mahomes twice, and an nfc powerhouse on the way to win the SB.
He then has a legitimate case for best player in the league, and his accomplishments would validate his talent. He’ll be put into the BOAT conversation with Aaron and Marino
Nah one doesn’t do it
They wanna shove Lamar Jackson down everybody’s throat so bad,any quarterback but Mahomes the real best quarterback in the league by mile.
Mahomes is the answer to all questions
Who is the worst playoff performer?
No the answer to that is Lamar.
Lamar winning the sb would mean nothing compared to mahomes making history with a three-peat
Lamar next question
& Saturday don’t understand what it would mean little kids in the hood will cry watching Lamar win, and dang canty you right about Marvin Lewis SA use to get on him bad back in day for not winning playoff games
They don't know because they haven't lived it we know what it would mean if Lamar win.
Jackson went back to his old playing style in the last playoff game and it threw the Steelers off guard. If other teams can't handle him running the ball the Ravens have a good chance to get to the SB.
Lamar gets a ring he’s the best QB ever. Not the Goat but the best to ever do it
If lamar wins the sb, hes literally one of the best qbs ever. Better scrambler than vick, and prime rodgers qbr. Its insane
Lamar with a Super Bowl this year is the equivalent to Dirks run in 11’
Jeff is absolutely correct
It can't be anything except the threepeat; Lamar needs it more, but there's nothing more legacy-defining than that.
To “He should be WR” to “Potentially Super Bowl Winning OB with a couple of MVPs” Lamar would benefit so much more.
Where tf is mad dog
My boy in London with Timothy
Allen and it’s not close. He would’ve beaten 2 MVPs, including Mahomes who has 3 rings now and an NFC juggernaut. The bills haven’t even won a SB yet! Allen would be the goat Bills QB!
Patrick is already in the Goat debate but it means more to Lamar. The only thing separating Lamar from Patrick is the Superbowls because lamar actually has more regular season achievements. If lamar can win one Superbowl it will be hard to keep him out of top 10 all time talks
I’m mahomes has 2 mvps and Lamar has never had a 5,000 yard or 50 passing td season
As for LEGACY, hands down the 3-peat would be bigger for Mahomes then Jackson or Allen winning their first SB. Jeff Saturday is 100% correct.
Jalen Alexander Hurts
Jalen the African nightmare hurts will fold like a lawn chair in the playoffs just like his African bros 🚬😊
Bro why is this game getting more hype than previous Chiefs vs Bills games?
Mahomes because he’s playing for the GOAT title not one of many but ONE of ONE
He lost to the goat bro. Just give it up
@@phantomsylla4617 doesn't matter. 3peat makes him the GOAT over Tom Brady because Brady nor anyone has 3peated
@@jctslice having one thing someone else doesnt have doesnt separate Goat lmao. This is exactly why ur poor and didnt make it far in life. ur genuinely stupid asf. that logic makes no sense. by ur logic Lebron is the Goat bc he has the new tournament championship and Jordan doesnt 💀 . By ur logic Brady won a ring on another team and mohomos hasn't, so therefore he is the goat. man ur race doesnt inprove at al
I’m a pats fan, but if Patrick can take THOSE chiefs to a 3-peat, without a crazy ref controversy, I think equals him with TB12.
Even with ref controversy because let’s not act like spy gate deflated ball and the fumble that was called a forward pass to start the pats dynasty ain’t happen
No excuses for Lamar this year
His defense is going to fail him In the playoffs. And y'all would blame Lamar anyway, Even if he throws five touchdowns
What’s even worse about the Steelers is that they will never bottom out for a high draft pick for a QB
OR even trade their defensive assets for one.
Pat needs it
If he’s behind Brady
He’ll be known as the Lebron of quarterbacks
lmfao what???
More like Kobe
@@carterstilllivewhy? Lebron is better than Kobe and is 2nd best behind mj in most people’s eyes(he’s number 1 for me tho). Mahomes would be 2nd best behind Brady.
But Lebron is not even number two in his own sport
But Lebron never had help like Mahomes until 2011. So that's already a no.
Josh, comparing teams, the ravens have a much better team, if the bills do it, with this mid team it’ll be more to speak about
I can’t think of one marquee free agent the Steelers have ever brought in since Tomlin arrived
Surprisingly, Molly had the best statement 😮. This season alone, Lamar win would be biggest impact. Long-term legacy wise,Mahomes.
Josh Allen disrespect never stops
The random last dude who made his point made me change videos asap 😂
Mahomes is already considered the “ goat” that’s why it doesn’t matter more for mahomes vs Lamar , Lamar will get into that convo
Steph legacy was already doomed when he blew a 3-1 lead. He proved he can be "the guy" Yes. But so did a lot of other players like Kobe Duncan Shaq etc.
Mahomes is NOT better than Tom Brady 😭
@ if u talking Super Bowl wise then no bc he’s only got 2 compared to 6 but from eye test and what mahomes has consistently done in the playoffs which is win and not fall off like other qbs. There’s a reason why other sports guys have him in that conversation if not above Brady
@ in the conversation for sure but you said he’s already considered “the goat”. But, he’s not. Still got a ways to go to catch up to Brady.
@ talent wise yes
I mean if Goff gets his ring you can bet Detroit is gonna build a statue. Not saying he’s got the most to gain, I’m just saying Goff gets a ring and you might have to throw him in this conversation next time
It’s josh Allen even if Lamar won next year he wouldn’t be better than josh Allen💯
Should put every QB who are still in the playoffs in this conversation.
I can't even finish this segment with these bad takes by SAS and CC. Jeff Saturday is on the money. It's the 3PEAT!!
Jackson only needs playoff success to be in all-time conversation. Mahomes already has status, Allen has to do more for his team than anyone. Ravens 9 pro bowlers Bills 2 pro bowlers, if Allen would win super bowl would elevate him to Superman status
It’s Lamar man, potentially 3 MVPs and a Super Bowl MVP, he is in a SPECIAL CLASS
How was was Tomlin supposed to win that playoff game?? No tell me. Russell Wilson against the league MVP. It’s hard to compete in the league without an elite QB. And the only teams who can have an elite run game and adequate weapons. Steelers need a better roster not a better coach.
There is no greater sign that the media is bored than people legitimately arguing that the Steelers should move on from Mike Tomlin
Because they should. With Tomlin they overachieve and will be forever mediocre because they can’t draft a QB due to poor draft position
@tristingarcia5718 be bad for the next 5 years and hope you find even a good quarterback. Do you realize how hard it is to find great qbs?
@@mrunalray142 Lamar 32nd pick. Purdy Mr. Irrelevant. Russel Wilson 3rd round. Dak 2nd round Aaron Rodgers 24th. Drew Brees 2nd round. Those are just a few that I could think of. I'm sure there are plenty more.
@@mrunalray142 they don’t have to be bad for five years…It literally just takes one. And would you rather be what the Steelers have been for the past decade or would your rather at least give your team a shot to change. They have no future at QB currently and the likelihood of trading for one isn’t high
@tristingarcia5718 i would be what they have been for the past decade any day. There is no guarantee they land on a great qb. And even if they do it's equally hard if not more to find a HOF level coach. Look at teams around the league who have been bad for decades. Every year they have turnover at QB or HC. It's hard winning in the NFL, why would you get rid of a great coach. He keeps your franchise relevant and gives you a chance year in and year out. The steelers need a QB not a new HC.
Hands down Josh Allen. To these guys he's just a gifted athlete that puts on a cape and leaps over defenders. He's also the guy that will never be as valuable as Lamar, he's also the guy that can't beat Mahommes in the playoffs. Now, to even get to the SB, Allen has to beat Lamar, chances are he'll have to go to Arrowhead and beat Mahommes, and then bring the FIRST lambardi trophy home to Buffalo. The question is who's legacy improves the most. By far it's Allen. The other two have already set the ground work to their legacy with SB wins and MVP awards. The only legacy Allen has laid out is within the Bills franchise. He has so much more to gain with a Super Bowl win
The question is “whose legacy improves the most”. It’s Lamar’s and it’s not even close. We already know how great Mahomes is. He’s alright cemented himself as a top three QB in NFL history. He could never win another Super Bowl and he would still be in the goat conversation. Lamar needs this Super Bowl to legitimize his legacy. He’s been doubted ever since he got into the league. Not only does he need to ball out this post season, but he needs to win the big one in order for these pundits and doubters to give him his respect.
I really hate when these fools get on their platforms and start spreading misinformation about who the GOAT is. There is no conversation there right now. There is no arguing it.
The question is whose legacy WOULD IMPROVE THE MOST? it's Lamar but also Josh Allen. Josh is a great QB that has been ridiculed for years for his turnovers (totally fair). Winning a SB going through Lamar and likely Mahomes brings into a rare club and completely changes his legacy. Lamar winning + his MVPs of course puts him into an all time convo. Can certainly make the argument for all 3.
I think this gotta be one of the few years where a lot of legacy defining things will happen for qbs from here on out: Mahomes, Lamar, josh Allen ofc being the big three choices, but stafford, jayden daniels, and even jared goff will be pretty career defining if they win. Jalen hurts and cj stroud are the main ones where its like oh well, its great for them, but ik their place and standard in the league wont change much, because we know who they are, and its just their first in a relatively young but slightly experienced career for them - so prove it to me a bit more you can continue performing like this consistently. To me though, its gotta be pat mahomes with the most legacy on the line. If he wins, hes done something no other qb has done before. If he loses, it could be to the point where people will start having conversations whether he is #1 anymore and if hes fallen. Its a climactic legacy defining playoffs for him for aome reason.
Funny how nobody mentions Goff. He's been on some great teams in his career. That 13-3 loss against New England in SB 53 still has to be eating him up inside.
I'd likely agree with SAS more if this chip wasn't for a 3-peat. If it was just another ring for Mahomes, then it would be Lamar all day. However, THIS chip means more for the legacy of Mahomes, because it's a 3-peat, than it does for Lamar's.
Does Molly realize that no one values her opinion?
Lamar Jackson Jackson MV3!!!! All day, hands-down 🏆🏆🏆
Actually insane that 3 peat is on the table and people think there is more at stake for other players
Jeff is right
Lamar Jackson. If he wins one, the narrative that a QB who plays like him cannot win a Super Bowl will be crushed. Lamar winning is the for “the culture” as well. Him winning would be a celebration and a proud moment for the entire African American community
Thanks Molly for cutting off Jeff lol😂