MATT DILLAHUNTY DEMANDS EVIDENCE FOR GOD FROM DINESH D'SOUZA!
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These people drive me crazy, one faction claims there is no evidence, the other kind talks garbage and talks about evidence, but has none, and then there are millions worldwide who have evidence but are not heard, probably because of what I said yesterday.
I don't get it worded right now, but it's really as if people who sit somewhere in the apartment and never go outside can impose their opinion on the world that there is no such thing as wind and storm.
A look out of the window would be enough to see the proof, because leaves are flying around, but ok.
The existence of a higher power, or even an ununderstood law of nature, is just as easy to recognize, actually.
I really don't understand it, when the environment reacts accordingly, things happen that can no longer be a coincidence, then at some point you have to accept that there must be something.
And that's all it is. For example, like the stories where someone suddenly gets a strange feeling without warning before the hundredth flight and doesn't get on the plane and then it crashes afterwards.
Ok, that's not proof of God's existence, but it should be more than enough proof that there must be something.
That's exactly the kind of thing I mean, coincidences that can't be coincidences anymore.
It doesn't always have to be disasters, it can also be other things and there are more than enough stories in this direction.
However, they are all ignored for whatever reason.
I have to correct myself a bit, the example with the plane crash doesn't describe what I mean.
A few more things would have to be added to make it fit. In addition to the strange gut feeling, for example, something like this would have to be added.
At the airport, the person wants to buy a newspaper or whatever, a couple of children playing, an old grandma or whatever bump into a shelf and a book falls out, one about a plane crash, while the person in question is just struggling with the strange feeling that something like this is going to happen.
The person doesn't get in and then it happens.
That's how it fits, I mean coincidences of this kind, which are too random and are characterized by the fact that several factors and living beings are involved.
That's why I have a problem with the belief that God or whatever is not to be found in nature or the environment.
Maybe you just don't realize it because the necessary awareness is simply not there in everyday life. In any case, I know such things from my life and also from that of others.
For me, such a thing is proof enough, but it doesn't explain what it is.
Not to mention that one could derive from this the assertion that it is a God who wants to say this and that, that would then only be interpretation and not law at all.
Anyway, I mean that something is there and what it is is the question, not whether there is anything.
Neither a God or any science can be the answer to our questions
God knows ALL. Science does not.
This clip sucked
"God" is simply a euphemism for "I have no idea what's going on but I'm going to pretend I do."
"A god must through those lightnings". That was before science was able to explain the real cause of lightnings.
I like to call it the "Black Box" model of causality.
You see, things happen because a Black Box takes all the inputs of a given situation somewhere in the universe and produces all the outputs.
There ya go. It explains EVERYTHING. The Black Box did it. Now stop with all that being curious about the pesky details. Just accept that the Black Box did it.
I would be Ok with "I have no idea what's going on but I'm going to pretend I do" as long as the don't pretend *I* have to pretend I do. It is the argument of two kids playing while their mums talk, one kid wants to pretend he's driving a toy car around the room and the other wants to play cowboys and [insert culturally insensitive term here] with the other child, that's a problem.
But that's not what theist say that's a strawman
@@youknowtherules5681 It does not matter if that is not what they said or not, it is the Truth. Get it?
After "2,000 Mules", it's pretty clear that evidence is not D'souza's strong suit.
At 1:15 you can tell that like a AI that engages in pattern recognize to determine what words to use in a prompt, his brain in spinning, coming up with one word at a time to attempt to worm his way out of directly answering Matt's simple question.
@jerome
if I could give that 2000 likes 😅😅😅 ☝️
It's also clear that he doesn't believe in a God, or at least a God that is a moral one, because his life is structured around making money from lying.
He is the epitome of deception.
Hee haw
It’s been pretty clear since long before that idiotic propaganda piece.
Matt: No one has yet proven evidence for God.
Dinesh: Hold my beer (proceeds to spill all over himself and then slips in it)
Nice analogy
😂😂
Stupid and prejudiced. You must be a __________. (Fill in the blank according to ‘woke, liberal, atheist, leftist, etc. reasoning’.) What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
And again NO one has proven the existence of anyone's god. If so then they would win the Noble Prize in science
LMFAO!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I didn't see that twist coming!
He says we were flung into the universe for no reason and without an explanation, so it must be the man in the sky that created us and everything else! Numpty!
Why does life insist?
I know his reasoning to get there is just madness. 😂
@@johannessteen1950insist on what? 🤷😖
Are you black or something? On life obviously@@Tbone.357
No, that's what you are saying. You are saying we were flung into the universe for no reason. It's ultimately all meaningless to you.
Dinesh argues that because we don't have answers to important questions then there must be a god. That is one hell of a leap.
Classic God of the Gaps argument.
@@raknoknakhow many times do these fuckheads need to move the card table before they give up on this one ??
@@raknoknak It's classic Classical logic.
If P leads to contradiction then not-P.
If not-P leads to contradiction then P.
I don't have to know what the answer is. I just have to prove that assuming the non-existence of an answer leads to contradiction.
Proof by contradiction.
Only if what is being referred to as "god" can answer those questions.
God o the Gaps
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers (and grifters) as useful.”
― Seneca
1 Corinthians 1-27 … God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the ‘wise’, and the weak things of the world to shame the things which are ‘strong’…
Translation: If you’re a ‘legend in your own mind’ you’re going the wrong way.
This is not a real quote be Seneca, who himself was religious (in the stoic sense).
@@casperbech9128 Okay thanks, and Seneca couldn't speak English.
It's always fun to quote the Bible and I used to do it for decades but now I stand on facts and evidence. Do you have anything to share besides quoting a book? Do you have some actual evidence besides a feeling and wishful thinking?@@seektruth5074
Seneca believed in the existence of God as a rational principle that governed the universe according to natural laws. He viewed God as a force or power present in all things, rather than a personal deity...and of course he spoke Latin that fortuitously can be translated rather well into English.
Matt: Why do you think 1+1 = 3 and not 2?
Dinesh: I start with the fact that I’m flung into this world… (continues to spew bs all the way)
Why does Matt bother debating Dinesh? He is a confirmed liar. He sure likes to violate the commandment about not bearing false witness.
Actually, he is a convicted liar and felon.
I don't think he is purposefully a liar , he argues from a perspective of philosophy and combining it with logistical mental kind games, but fails to realize none of that matters beyond it being interesting mental gymnastics. All that matters is empirical evidence in a natural world.
@@waxmonkeys3841"from a philosophical perspective and in combination with logistical mind games" "interesting mental gymnastics" I call that utter nonsense.
I'm in complete agreement with you that it's nonsense, just I don't think he is intentionally lying.@@karlschmied6218
Money but also Dinesh is popular and Matt can show theists how bad their logic is.
listening to DINESH D'SOUZA makes me feel stupider no matter the topic.
And if you accept his line of reasoning, you will actually be stupider.
I think the correct grammar is ‘more stupid’
Why? He gets so close to revealing that his belief is the result of unanswered questions. A procedure of picking based on preference rather than the brutal search for truth regardless of outcome, but then he can't see it. It seems that the requirement to supplant reality with a preferred system also produces a mechanic in the mind that makes ignorance necessary.
Listening to D’Souza will definitely make you stupid.
I feel smarter. Smarter than him.
Science doesn't have to answer Mr D'Sousa's questions because they are meaningless. Science describes what exists. Mr D'Sousa's questions about meaning are essentially meaningless because purpose is unnecessary for anything to do with our existence.
Also it doesn't matter if current knowledge in science can't describe something, it doesn't mean in the future once we do better science it can't eventually explain it. Many things in the past were unexplainable, only to eventually be explained quite clearly as science improved. There is no reason the origin of life etc is any different. It's only in the last hundred years or so science and technology have gone parabolic. Religion on the other hand has contributed nothing new to our understanding of anything since the day it was made up.
Existence is not contingent upon meaning. That’s very good.
Science does indeed try to transcend itself (Dawkins)…..and if purpose is not needed then D’Sousa and Matt sparring is just a transient vanity….
Dinesh Souza, the professional chef whose specialty is word salad.
Nah that would be Jordan Peterson
@@spliter200 Jordan is the king of word salads
@@purefoldnz3070 he should get his own dressing! 😂😂😂
@@sevensages5279 haha thats genius.
Matt makes some pretty fine salad as well. See their debate on transgenderism….
I love how religious believers always want to desperately “move on” to another topic everytime their flawed logic (aka lying) is exposed.
Starts with God of the Gaps.
There are no gaps. Atheism is embarrassing. There's absolutely no rational atheist explanation for reality.
10 logical reasons why we can believe in God:
1. Order & design demand an intelligent mind.
2. The universe has a beginning; therefore the universe has cause.
3. Moral absolutes point to a moral law-giver.
4. Rational thinking points to the fact that we don’t come by the
non-rational; we come from the rational.
5. God is the best explanation for the origin of the universe.
6. God is the best explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe
for intelligent life; thus, life can survive & thrive.
7. God is the best explanation for the objective moral values in the world.
8. God is the best explanation for the historical life, death and resurrection
of Jesus.
9. God can be immediately known and experienced.
10. Because everything in the world /depletes/dissipates/goes only in one
direction (bad to worse), an INITIAL set amount of energy and matter
had to be created from NOTHING by top down production (GENESIS).
EVERYTHING can only arrive by a source for EVERYTHING. It’s not
possible that EVERYTHING can come from NOTHING by bottom up
production.
10 logical reasons why we can’t believe in a Godless world:
1. Order, design and gain of complexity cannot arrive by disorder/entropy
or a world that's only in break-down mode.
2. Nature had a beginning; therefore, the cause of nature transcends
nature (supernatural).
3. Morality can’t be produced by anything of nature.
4. Nothing material can produce non-material entities (love, joy, peace,
hate, ambition, jealousy, deceit, lust, etc., etc.
5. A Godless cause is impossible to be the cause of the origin of the
universe.
6. By chance from NOTHING cannot possibly be the explanation for the
hundreds of entities that all are fine-tuned so that life can survive
& thrive.
7. Non-material morality is impossible to come from the material.
8. Nature can’t produce and manage the historical life, death and
resurrection of Jesus.
9. Without God, humanity is totally lost & clueless regarding where
humanity came from, where we are now and where we will wind up at
our end.
10. Without GENESIS and due to entropy/break-down/disorder mode/heat
death, FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy)
can’t be the cause/source of EVERYTHING via bottom up production
from NOTHING.
@@neverendingparty4832you can't be serious 😂
@@neverendingparty4832"There is no gaps" - almost every point is god of the gaps fallacy 😂😂😂
@neverendingparty4832 objective morality doesn't exist. Therefore, everything you wrote is pointless. Morality is a man made concept that changes through the years.
Thou shalt not kill/murder unless it's been sanctioned by the government that collects your taxes. Instead, we should give them a 10% discount at your local retail stores and pay for their health insurance. Funny how soldiers are excempt from that rule. It's almost like it was a rule created by man and not a "god".
@user-lb1ye1pv4q Known fantasy can't be the cause of this world.
THIS JUST IN! Atheism lost. There is absolutely no POSSIBILITY of a GODLESS world. What? DO YOU SINCERELY BELIEVE that a mud puddle produced the human being? Yes! We see it all the time! Or was it star dust? Maybe moon dirt? And then a NEVER OBSERVED NATURAL CAUSE (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing) produced ALL the many different independent structures that we find within the bodily systems that co-exist and are co-dependent (circulatory, respiratory, reproductive, digestive, endocrine, lymphatic, urinary, skeletal, nervous, muscular, body/skin) - all intertwined in co-relative order in the human body and THOSE SAME DESIGNED SYSTEMS seen in MILLIONS of other animals? And atheism thinks A MUD PUDDLE DID IT? So where did the mud puddle get the required MIND to not only create, but design all these systems, so that they all work together in harmony, so that life could not only survive and thrive, but reproduce?
Atheism is further destroyed by the question, where did the LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, POWER, PURPOSE, RESOURCES & MEANS come from that are required to produce all these bodily systems? Especially, when all matter does nothing but increase in decay? NEVER has a gain in complexity/new information/evolution/gain of complexity been observed. That's because NOTHING of the atheist cult exists and certainly has never been observed (e.g. gain in complexity/new information/evolution/new anatomy)
Even atheists claim that this world of FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy) had a beginning (see below) and if you have a beginning, you have a beginner/cause/source of EVERYTHING we observe in the world.
“Almost everyone now believes that the universe, and time itself, had a beginning at the Big Bang.”-Stephen W. Hawking and Roger Penrose, The Nature of Space and Time(Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1996), 20.
Conclusion: This world had a beginning; thus, a beginner (God). Bottom up production of EVERYTHING from NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE. Only top down production (EVERYTHING from a source of EVERYTHING) is POSSIBLE. Those facts point to GENESIS and not moon dirt that came from nothing and produced the first cell with systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce, NOT TO MENTION that same first cell also had the DNA blueprints of 9 million DIFFERENT species so that evolution could also come from NOTHING and diversify that DNA into the 9 million DIFFERENT animals that roam the earth. God is not only the only logical explanation for our world, but the only POSSIBLE explanation for our world. And that's by design. God knew if you actually did the research, you'd come to the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). God proved; atheism destroyed.
FIN
Matt: What is the reasonable warrant for accepting there is a God at all.
Dinesh: Here are three unrelated questions that I can talk about to avoid answering the question.
I remember seeing Dinesh in a debate many years ago and someone from the audience asked him something along the lines of "Do you think you would have the same beliefs you have now if you had been born somewhere else in the world and raised by different parents with a different belief system?". Dinesh's response was essentially that he was born in India which has at least 17 different religions as common and that against the odds he was raised as a Christian. His supporters in the audience applauded, not realizing that he only reinforced the questioner's point rather than explain his position.
I read about a survey that was done in a Christian college once where the students were asked why people of a faith different from theirs would believe different things. Most people reasonably responded that they were brought up with that faith and accepted it without question because that's what children do: They accept what their parents say as the absolute truth. But here's the interesting part: When they were asked why *THEY* believe what they believe then it became, "Because it's the TRUE word of God!" etc. So they could see the simple explanation when it was someone ELSE but not when it was THEMSELVES.
Dinesh talks a lot and hopes he makes sense. He’s just talking to sound confident but he knows he’s losing this debate.
Of course, because they have the burden of proof and they can never, ever proof the existence of their god. They always loose.
His “three cardinal questions” is garbage. THE cardinal question is how do we know what’s true. We must answer this BEFORE we can even address other questions. Theism is the skipping if this first and most important step.
Everything Dinesh was saying could apply to belief in leprechauns.
For 45 years I too have asked this simple question. “What is the evidence of god or anything supernatural?” I have yet to get an answer other than claims, assertions, and biblical quotes.
Go live in an Islamic country and see the difference those claims, assertions and biblical quotes made. Like it or not Western civilisation is built on Christian Jewdeo principles. Requiring proof of everything is a double edged sword. Do you need proof every time you leave home you'll make it back again?
I would put it to you to learn about the subjects first then decide if they fit into your world view. Stay open minded and informed.
@@jameslast7555 Your analogy is a very poor one and makes no sense whatsoever.
@@Vintage-Bob Jameslast7555 asserts the oft regurgitated cliche about the USA being founded as a Christian Jewdeo(sic) country and strongly suggests others inform themselves on these important matters the same way he has, using Hooked on Phonics to sound out and misspell the most foundational element of his regurgitated claim. Even worse, it was likely auto-underlined in red as a glaring misspelling when he typed it on the screen. What does that tell us about Jameslast7555?
1st, spell check variable aside, James lacks the educational foundation of an average adult.
2nd, even with spell check red staring him in the face on screen, he's just too fk'in lazy to correct his own painfully obvious error so that his opinion might be worthy of consideration. He didn't. So it's not.
Possibly the worse thing is James may think everyone else is as mentally and physically lazy as he is, so they'll let it slide and still take his regurgitated opinion seriously.
That's because you're asking, not seeking... seek and ye shall find.
You're lazy and want it spoon fed to you. If someone shows you evidence, I bet you'll just reject it.
I wasn't flung into this world I was born
Dinesh may not be the most dishonest person on the planet, but he's definitely in the top ten. Must have honed those skills during his prison stint for campaign finance fraud, followed by being pardoned by Trump. Yeah, he's the guy we should be listening to.
What fraud?
@@youknowtherules5681 he violated federal election laws and pled guilty.
He donated $40 thru the wrong channels
Apologetics is a very lucrative business especially in the US.
I strongly suspect, like most flat earthers, many apologists don't really believe the stuff they spew out, that it is no more than a means to an income.
it's unbelievable people cling onto belief like this with zero evidence.We don't know, just be a kind person 🙄
I love Dinesh's attitude, it's just a bluff, a mild condescension. tap dance tap dance,.... no evidence.
Does he even have a brother? 😂
Those questions are only important because they can't be answered. How arrogant is it to assume we should know everything?
I dont know. How?
@@zapkvr Very.
People who die and come back to life are called zombies.
What would happen if the stupidest person in a room became certain that they were the cleverest? Dinesh D’Souza.
All that this demonstrates is that no matter how erudite the theist, how well they present an argument, all that all of them are saying is "there is zero evidence for gods and the supernatural, but here is my list of excuses for why the creator of the universe has left no evidence of his/her/it/their existence.
I wouldnt say these are "excuses" - but more assumptions. And assumptions are necessary in any hypothesis of reality.
Metaphysical believe has mostly the huge problem that there is more than 5.000 years of institutionalized religion who want to force their believe onto society. Institutionalized religion is an important social power.
And THATS why we must have intense discussion about it. I dont care if anybody believes in fairy tales - but I care a lot when folks start to use this fairy tale to deman social power as an institution - even law giving institution.
Thats something that is often put aside in these discussions. But this is the core reason why we discuss it so intense. Religion as an important social power is still a thing or in countries where it has no huge power anymore: Still a threat,
If someone claims there is life after death, ask them if there's life after death for cats? For dogs? For bunnies? For trees? For mushrooms? For bacteria?
One day we will all know, by then it will be too late
I know people who claim their dogs went to heaven even though their religion explicitly says they have no souls. People believe what they want to believe because they want to believe it.
Watching this makes me understand more about Dinesh, if he doesnt know something, he creates some explanation that will fit his beliefs and then declares it the truth, no verification required.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
And Voltaire is assuming what needs to be proven !
If there is no objective moral standard of reference then Voltaire's assessment as to who is a scoundrel and who isn't a scoundrel is just guesswork and personal preference, and his words are just hot air, not scientific !
Duh !
@@chrisxprem
♦"Only fools revere the myths just bc a book claims itself to be the holy truth."
♦"The delusional religious fools are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt."
♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics could believe on their own."
♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
♦"It's difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
@@chrisxprem
The Bible is the goat herder's guide to the galaxy.
@AtamMardes you seem to be rattling off quotes and slogans when triggered, just like a bible thumper would rattle off bible verses.
You believe blindly in your collection of quotes and slogans as if they are "holy truths". Lol.
Joseph Campbell had the best definition of God that I've ever heard. He said God is a metaphor for all the energy in the universe.
Even then, what's the justification for worshippeing the way people do, or that it wrote a Bible or a Torah or the Quran? Wendy would this energy be workshipped the way Christians or Jews or Muslims do. Even if I accepted that definition I still wouldn't be part of any religion. It's still bs.
so god is measured in joules units
Those three questions are indeed highly fascinating, but since we‘ve been surviving as a species for hundreds of thousands of years without having any reliable answer to them, they don‘t really seem to be that important. A much more „cardinal“ question would imho be, for example, „what can I eat today?“, or „is that movement of the grass over there a lion or just the wind?“
To answer a question you don't know the answer too with no evidence to back it up with certainty is insane.
Fear of not knowing is why ignorant people will accept any nonsense to believe in, so they do not have to feel that disturbing fear
"What happens after we die" is NOT a "cardinal" question. And anyway we know the simple answer: our consciousness extinguishes and our bodies decompose. And to quote the great Keanu Reeves, "the people who love us will miss us."
Dinesh does a lot of word salad when he could just say 'there's no evidence of god'.
Everyone knows the purpose of life. find enough good food to survive and pass on your genes and teach your off spring what you've learned.
No one has ever been on the other side?
Well, I was there before I existed. And at least I can say for myself that there was nothing.
1:15 That look he gives Matt after he says "we are flung into this world" - I think he may have thought that Matt was going to be very moved by the opening of his argument.
Debates wouldn't be necessary if He existed. His presence would be so evident that no spokespersons would be needed.
I wasn't "flung" into the world. Rather, I was dragged kicking and screaming into the world.
They’re debating a word salad rather than the evidence. All that’s happening the same thing as the “god of the gaps” … or more like God of the doubts. He’s basically arguing that “you can’t know it anyway, so my faith is the same as your knowledge.” … nope. My knowledge comes with evidence. Your faith does not.
I think the element that’s missing here in the definition of “knowing to a certain extent” is the principle of “extraordinary claims”. Most people don’t have firsthand knowledge of Papua New Guinea, but we believe it exists because we have a) a large pool of external data, but maybe more importantly b) no reason to think someone could make that up.
Dillahunty mentions this (life altering fact), but I think there is a disproportionate significance between the supernatural and a geological feature of our flat planet.
The funny thing is... The Christian claim God is all powerful and all knowing but all contact with this God reveals nothing but mundane revelations. You'd think a God would have something interesting to tell his followers but nope.
There is nothing in the Bible that could not have come from any reasonably intelligent writer at the time, with no reference to God.
No, you're simply not interested. Because if you were, you'd do the research. There are no gaps. Atheism is embarrassing. There's absolutely no rational atheist explanation for reality.
10 logical reasons why we can believe in God:
1. Order & design demand an intelligent mind.
2. The universe has a beginning; therefore the universe has cause.
3. Moral absolutes point to a moral law-giver.
4. Rational thinking points to the fact that we don’t come by the
non-rational; we come from the rational.
5. God is the best explanation for the origin of the universe.
6. God is the best explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe
for intelligent life; thus, life can survive & thrive.
7. God is the best explanation for the objective moral values in the world.
8. God is the best explanation for the historical life, death and resurrection
of Jesus.
9. God can be immediately known and experienced.
10. Because everything in the world /depletes/dissipates/goes only in one
direction (bad to worse), an INITIAL set amount of energy and matter
had to be created from NOTHING by top down production (GENESIS).
EVERYTHING can only arrive by a source for EVERYTHING. It’s not
possible that EVERYTHING can come from NOTHING by bottom up
production.
10 logical reasons why we can’t believe in a Godless world:
1. Order, design and gain of complexity cannot arrive by disorder/entropy
or a world that's only in break-down mode.
2. Nature had a beginning; therefore, the cause of nature transcends
nature (supernatural).
3. Morality can’t be produced by anything of nature.
4. Nothing material can produce non-material entities (love, joy, peace,
hate, ambition, jealousy, deceit, lust, etc., etc.
5. A Godless cause is impossible to be the cause of the origin of the
universe.
6. By chance from NOTHING cannot possibly be the explanation for the
hundreds of entities that all are fine-tuned so that life can survive
& thrive.
7. Non-material morality is impossible to come from the material.
8. Nature can’t produce and manage the historical life, death and
resurrection of Jesus.
9. Without God, humanity is totally lost & clueless regarding where
humanity came from, where we are now and where we will wind up at
our end.
10. Without GENESIS and due to entropy/break-down/disorder mode/heat
death, FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy)
can’t be the cause/source of EVERYTHING via bottom up production
from NOTHING.
@@neverendingparty4832 .
Every one o your rather poor claims have been debunked more times than I have had hot dinners.
You are no different from flat earthers who have nothing to offer apart from repeating the same tired, old bullshit.
A simple example of an assertion without evidence. You cannot show any empirical evidence for the biblical Jesus, all you have are claims.
"8. Nature can’t produce and manage the historical life, death and resurrection of Jesus."
Your statement that your God is the best explanation for various things, is mere special pleading.
As for the Universe being fine-tuned, can you show an example of a universe that is not fine-tuned so we can compare them?
As for it being fine-tuned for life, in 99.99999999% of the universe, life could not exist for more than a few seconds.
Your God is remarkably inefficient, creating so much to do so little, one could think he was imaginary.
“God” means “I don’t know the answer to some questions but I can’t handle not knowing so I’m going to make up an answer.”
I live two hours from Papua New Guinea , The in habitants had little contact with outside world or people until after 1870 and then for lots of Papua New Guineans contact never happened until 1920s 1930s , and for lots more until WW2 and after , ie 1941 - 1956 . so it always amazed me that missionaries could convince them that some guy in middle east saved them from sin in about CE33 by dying on structure of crossed wooden poles. They would have had no understanding of this place called Judea Jordan etc but what they probably could easily understand was that if you wanted to get rid of that annoying tribe next door you went in full blast one morning and slaughtered all the women and children and scared off all male warriors for good ..Just like in Palestine Israel today
Matt's gonna wait a long time , LOL !
"Here we are. Flung into the world." with eyebrows raised. After this, it wasn't the end of the flinging.
Science is just what happens when people are honest about human limitations. "Outside of science" is just another way of saying "the unknowable".
What, you can't know beauty? You can't know hate or ambition? Science is a pathetically weak tool to ascertain the full spectrum of true reality.
There are no gaps. Atheism is embarrassing. There's absolutely no rational atheist explanation for reality.
10 logical reasons why we can believe in God:
1. Order & design demand an intelligent mind.
2. The universe has a beginning; therefore the universe has cause.
3. Moral absolutes point to a moral law-giver.
4. Rational thinking points to the fact that we don’t come by the
non-rational; we come from the rational.
5. God is the best explanation for the origin of the universe.
6. God is the best explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe
for intelligent life; thus, life can survive & thrive.
7. God is the best explanation for the objective moral values in the world.
8. God is the best explanation for the historical life, death and resurrection
of Jesus.
9. God can be immediately known and experienced.
10. Because everything in the world /depletes/dissipates/goes only in one
direction (bad to worse), an INITIAL set amount of energy and matter
had to be created from NOTHING by top down production (GENESIS).
EVERYTHING can only arrive by a source for EVERYTHING. It’s not
possible that EVERYTHING can come from NOTHING by bottom up
production.
10 logical reasons why we can’t believe in a Godless world:
1. Order, design and gain of complexity cannot arrive by disorder/entropy
or a world that's only in break-down mode.
2. Nature had a beginning; therefore, the cause of nature transcends
nature (supernatural).
3. Morality can’t be produced by anything of nature.
4. Nothing material can produce non-material entities (love, joy, peace,
hate, ambition, jealousy, deceit, lust, etc., etc.
5. A Godless cause is impossible to be the cause of the origin of the
universe.
6. By chance from NOTHING cannot possibly be the explanation for the
hundreds of entities that all are fine-tuned so that life can survive
& thrive.
7. Non-material morality is impossible to come from the material.
8. Nature can’t produce and manage the historical life, death and
resurrection of Jesus.
9. Without God, humanity is totally lost & clueless regarding where
humanity came from, where we are now and where we will wind up at
our end.
10. Without GENESIS and due to entropy/break-down/disorder mode/heat
death, FINITE NATURE (time/space/matter/energy)
can’t be the cause/source of EVERYTHING via bottom up production
from NOTHING.
If we don't know something, then God, because that makes me feel better. The basis of all religions.
You know who would be the PERFECT person to prove the existence of God? *GOD!* But for some reason he has decided to leave that up to us puny humans.
The words 'faith' and 'belief' exist because they are different from 'know.' They state explicitly that they are not based on evidence. So, we should not debate whether or not God exists because it's not possible to know this. Rather, we should be discussing why those who believe choose to do so.
I love how he takes a country's existence and put it right next to the claim that god exists. How in the world are these the same? And what the hell is he talking about authorities that he trusts? He can take a plane and go visit the freakin country! Now, let's see how he make god appear right in front of me. Oh he cant.
Humans will argue about anything. Let the faithful have their faith and the non believers do what they want.
“… do what they want” absent believers imposing their said faith.
Matt owns Dinesh again. ❤ No evidence provided. No god exists.
Study science. You might feel less stupid....
You can also say there are no definitive evidence or proof that God DOESN'T exist. Believers will keep on believing. Unbelievers will keep on unbelieving.
@@blockonblockonblockonblock I disagree. Science states you cannot have something from nothing. The Universe we live in is made up of gases, rocks, ice etc. These things didn't come from nothing. Something or someone must've CREATED it. That creator is God. You might ask then "who created God"? God is the ONLY thing that has not been created. Everything has a beginning and an end, except God.
@@Robert_N Everything has a beginning and an end, except god. How convenient. Maybe the universe has always existed, we really don't know at this point. What proof do you have of your claim?? This basically is just an opinion, which you are entitled to.
@@gdobie1west988 "Maybe the universe has always existed, we really don't know ". That might be possible. I'm not disputing that. Like you said, "we really don't know".
If Dinesh D'Souza told me that he required air and water to live, I would, based on his sordid past, definitely require a more trustworthy 2nd source in order to believe him.
I felt Dillahunty was being unnecessarily gentle with Dinesh D'Souza. He let D'Souza get away with a lot of dishonest arguments.
That fact that you don’t know something cannot be proof that something else exists? 500 years ago we didn’t understand lightening. It wasn’t proof that there is a God. It was only indicative of our lack of scientific understanding at the time. The same could be said for our lack of understanding around the creation of the universe.
If someone has evidence of god (which no one does), then they don't have faith, they have knowledge. Faith is a belief in something without having knowledge of it.
Life and the existence of the Universe and the things in it... Is proof of God. How much proof does an atheist need. God speaks of these as proof.
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I feel like I am listening in circles….and no longer believe in Papua New Guinea exists.
I think God has decided not to give explicit proof. If there was proof free will to believe or not to believe would not exist. We must choose freely to believe. My personal experience convinces me God exists. I am convinced from the origin of the universe from the Big Bang. I am convinced by the New Testament accounts about Jesus. I am convinced that the historical accounts of the apostles dying for their faith are true. I know that people spreading lies will not sacrifice their lives rather than admit their lies.
Trickster god, burying fossils to "test our faith". Oh please.
“I think God has decided not to give explicit proof. If there was proof free will to believe or not to believe would not exist”
First, how do you know what God decided? You said you “think” so. What make you think so?
Additionally, you said if free will existed the choice to believe or not believe wouldn’t exist either. Wouldn’t that be coercive? Does God say “believe in me or else” or do you believe nonbelievers are saved in the name of Jesus too?
You are running away from the most sensible conclusion because you don’t like what it implies about existence, and this is totally okay, but don’t project your spiritual weakness on anyone else. If God existed, I wouldn’t “believe” in him, because you don’t have to believe in something you can demonstrate to be true or real.
Your personal experiences mean nothing when discussing truth. The truth is what the facts are, and you have no facts, evidence, or truths to what you believe. It is 100% what you _feel_ .
@@supernintendochalmers8475 Not mentioning the fact that God is supposedly clairvoyant, and therefore knew the angels and satan would rebel preemptively, yet he did nothing to stop it.
Religion ties you up in a web of ridiculous nonsense and then trains you to defend the web.
Whether or not freewill exists, people are not free to "choose" what they believe. I'm not in control of my belief that a God doesn't exist any more than I'm in control of my belief that chickens don't fly, or that 2+2=5. The big bang, the biblical stories, and a false dichotomy may well convince you, but it's not good enough for more sceptical minds. The big bang doesn't say anyting about what may or may not have "caused" the bang, and the majority of big bang cosmologists don't believe in a personal god. The biblical stories are just claims written down by non-eyewitnesses. There are additional possibilities besides telling lies and truths: Being wrong, being mislead, or delusional.
Ohhh, so THAT'S why there's no evidence.
it all makes perfect sense now,
thanks
Dinesh D'Souza uses the God of the Gaps fallacy.
Atheists who keep asking for evidence of God’s existence are like a fish in the ocean wanting evidence of water.
No
There's a scientific test to prove the existence of water. There's only unsubstantiated claims for god.
That makes absolutely no sense. Water is tangible and measurable, "god" is neither.
But a fish that is intelligent enough and uses science will find evidence of water.
As supposed to followers of a fishy god, whose only evidence was the word of a random fish, who supposedly flooded a dam allowing fish to cross into another river 3000 years ago to their promised ocean, or who's son came down into the ocean to be eaten by a shark for the sins of other fish... One's a story, one can be tested for by fish scientists.
I used to be quite a militant atheist but these days I don't care as much, I have my thoughts and beliefs and other people have theirs, it's kind of pointless arguing about it. Believe whatever you like, keep it to yourself and be happy.
‘We’ve been flung into the universe’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I
If during this conversation, some entity appears out of thin air claiming to be God, do I believe it to be God? How about if it can perform all challenges asked of it to perform, no matter how impossible they seem to be? Is that proof that it is the God? Yes because it proves to our senses that it can do what our collective consciousness have agreed what God is supposed to be able to do. These accomplished tasks include the 3 fundamental questions of who created the Universe, what is the purpose of our sentient existence, and where do our minds go after death. So if we are satisfied with the answers, then by contractual obligation, we have to agree that this being is God. Unfortunately, nothing like this has happened. All we have as proof are claims from other people who say they have these "experiences". Because these experiences can be replicated by drugs, then their claims cannot be exclusively attributed to an encounter with God.
Religion exists because human beings generally need a reason to exist. A purpose. They also have to have a reward waiting for them. Otherwise they think life is fruitless. Instead of just enjoying life for its rarity and for what it is.
Unfortunately, it has also proven to be a means of control because nefarious people figured out that the way to truly control others is to claim insight from some almighty being.
I don't need a religion to exist. You can just believe a unicorn made the universe, and gave you the purpose to be happy if you REALLY need something supernatural to help you get by. But relying on supernatural creatures like unicorns or gods is definitely not needed.
I think a lot of people are just hedging their bets to be safe….’just in case’. Lol. It takes a very confident and courageous person to say, No. I don’t think there is a god.’ I have a lot of respect for that courage.
Dinesh didn't have definitive proof of any kind of "Mules" but he certainly claimed there were 2000 of them doing nefarious things based on incredibly shaky conjecture without any kind of corroborating proof. Those actions make everything he says less trustworthy.
“I dont want to debate the detail here”… yea, I am sure you dont, Dinsesh. All he wants to do is throw out arguments from incredulity.
It appears that D’Souza admitted he doesn’t KNOW there is a God and that people are FREE to BELIEVE whatever they choose?
Based on an assertion that not knowing how we were “flung into existence” means there MUST be a god?
The words and concept a theist can never understand, wrap their heads around and never accept: I don’t know.
"In an uneducated oaf that just talks a lot" The most honest thing Matt has ever said.
"We don't know stuff so should just assume its God" great logic.
D’souza : wait, i need to rephrase my fallacy, no answers, thus god. Ok matt?
Theists think the universe owes them an explanation, it doesnt, why should it?, as soon as you have predetermined there has to be an explanation, God has to exist, the 'we don't know' is too much for theists. As we cant completely understand how humans have evolved it makes believers too uncomfortable, god did it! Simple minds want Simple answers. Dinesh is one of them.
Dinesh: I don’t have proof so humanity’s lack of understanding is proof. Basically all apologetics.
I do not necessarily like "We buy any car" jingle because it grates on my auditory nerve without fail. But in this video, I actually welcomed that cacophony over what was being exchanged in the video ..
Filibustering 101: Instructor: Dinesh.
Whenever you come across people who believe in God(s) or Magical beings, in these debates, it will always come down to......
"I can't explain X and neither can you, therefore God(s) or Magical Beings could or must exist, to explain X".
Neither a God or any science can be the answer to our questions
Even if there was any sort of physical proof for the existence of God, and one then chose to just 'believe' there was a God, nothing would change. The point of believing there's a God is to then seek out help from God in becoming a better, more mature, more perfect human being. To do that, takes learning how to communicate with one's indwelling Thought Adjuster, a spirit fragment of God, (also known of as the still small voice, or kingdom of heaven within), by going into the stillness.
But so few people realize that just because they've grown in to adulthood, that doesn't mean they're done growing psychologically or spiritually.
Some folks ask: What is spirituality? As almost entirely physical beings, (animals for the most part), we can only glean snippets of things spiritual: love, life, interpersonal relationships and the like. Life in particular, is a grey area. Obviously the biochemical makeup is all physical. But the ability to think is not. Mind is dominant over matter, and has a spiritual source. Love can be variously defined to mean sexual, filial or as a desire to do good to others. Personality, while not specifically spiritual, is the source of how we become spiritual, by making lots of moral decisions in favor of truth, beauty and goodness.
From a strictly animal perspective, there is no reason why someone should believe there's a God. If one likes being just an animal, they would have no use for God. Historically, primitive people believed all sorts of forces of nature were gods (god-of-the-gaps sort of thing), and as such, attempted to appease those "angry gods" by making sacrifices to them in an effort to curry favor with them. That mentality still exists today to a degree. And some argue for a belief in God from that perspective. But God, who is at the Central Isle of Paradise, doesn't have any interaction personally with our physical environment. There are celestial forces with origin from God, who have been down-stepped enough to interact with our world, known to them as "Urantia," who have told us about God, and what God can do for us and what we can do for him/her. And that adds richness to our lives. Not everyone is interested in it (or even knows about it).
Fear of hell (a non-existent thing/place) is a lousy reason to believe in God, but appears to still be very prevalent in fundamentalist circles. If one rejects God because of those "appeals", I applaud you. You're inner sense that fear as a reason doesn't make sense, is spot on. But if you like truth, beauty and goodness, why not just stick with those?
My life is not based on anothers conscience. So, as I think so, i believe.
I’m curious why Dinesh isn’t curious about what was happening BEFORE we were conceived, like he is about what happens after we die. I believe they’re the same. We didn’t exist then, and we no longer exist after death.
Also, science never addresses a “why” question. It only asks “how.”
What I find weird is 'modern' religions are quite happy to diss old multi god ideologies, why are these any more improbable to a single god version?
It’s always easier to say you don’t believe than it is to say you do. Might be something in that
Dinesh believes nazism is socialism even tho the regime under Hitler forbade public protesting, freedom of speech and unionization of workers.
Also jailed jew and socialist judges.
It's very simple. The universe is an effect that needs a cause. If time, space and matter came into existence then the cause must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. That, to me, is God.
First of all: the notion of "supernatural" itself is self-contradictory and nonsensical. If anyone can give any acount of something supernatural he/she must be reporting on some demonstration of such phenomenon - and this demonstration can't be super-natural or non-natural, otherwise there is no possibility of reporting. Ergo every so-called "supernatural" phenomenon must have natural manifestation and ipso facto is necessarily a natural phenomenon.
I'll give this for D'Souza. Unlike Jordan Peterson, D'Souza wasn't interrupting Dillahunty on every sentence. D'Souza actually let him say what he wanted to say.
I'd also demand evidence for Unicorns if the laws and rules that people proposed were predicated on their existence
In human knowledge there is an uncrossable limit, the truth.
Beyond that boundary there is only divinity.
But since man pushes boundaries, truth increases in proportion to the decrease in divinity.
Not divinity. Mystery.
What knowledge is limited?
We may more than likely never know everything as every answer to a question leads to more questions but we know now what was beyond the imagination of previous generations.
Why limit yourself?
That's switching off not thinking.
The type of anti logic that leads to none thinking assertions and assumptions like there is only divinity.
I was actually waiting for a demonstration from Dinesh. Nothing was answered.
“Flung into the world“? Billions of years of the universe cooling and billions of years is “flung”?
Matt's question: What is the evidence? D'Souza: "... without clear understanding of A)..." So, the answer will be the argument of ignorance, with a proposition to be true "because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true." Don't bother. Next.
A pretty old clip isn't it? I thought DD was in jail. He is the prototype for Jordan Peterson's pseudo-intellectual apologist playbook.
I think it’s more recent. His conviction was like 10 years ago. He’s made at least a couple of bullshit movies since then.
He was pardoned by the guy currently under indictment for 91 crimes.
@@kirkjacobson4008 lmao... that fits