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Inside DM Kineton: Western Europe’s LARGEST Ammunition Depot | Forces TV
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2020
- We have been granted exclusive access to the restricted areas of Defence Munitions Kineton - the largest ammunition depot in western Europe. The base stores more than 60% of the entire Ministry of Defence’s munitions and is under very strict controls - anything which risks setting off the explosives, like phones and smart watches, is banned.
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Nothing says British army more than someone wearing both a hi vis jacket and camouflage at the same time!
You never seen the US army, have you? The "Camo but don't forget the PT-Belt" is basically a running joke there.
Also, camo is their work clothing. So...
Jan B. Hey idiot they wear the PT belt not in combat and only for visibility on bases so they don’t get ran over, show me one death because somebody wore a PT belt?
Andrew allen I once saw an RMP sitting in a fluorescent Patrol Car with his Red Hat on and High viz - wearing Cam Cream
@@BigRed2 That's his point. The British wear high vis for the same reason the Americans wear PT belts.
@@BigRed2 Why are you calling Jan B. an idiot? He was stating to Andrew that the British army is not the only one who wears hi-vis stuff, that the US army troops even joke about wearing it. Don't go around insulting people when you don't understand what they are trying to say, otherwise, you'll make yourself the idiot.
Served there between 1955 and 1959. Some very interesting programmes. Had the privilege of checking 12 shells from the former HMS Hood.
Many years I used to live near Kineton. There was a very ordinary-looking country road along one boundary of this site. I was driving down it one day when I got a puncture. In a very short time a couple of military police jeeps arrived to find out what I was doing - when I explained they changed my tire for me, and sent me on my way.
they probably knew what you had for brekkie and how many sheets of loo roll you used at your last no2 before they pulled up to talk to you :) just cause you were paused in a highly secure area
Land Rovers mate not Jeeps, we ain't stooped that low yet lol
@SAMRODIAN those crappy jeeps helped save your country and continental europe not very long ago..
@@tankman66
You took that way to personally haha
@@stetee4238doubt it, you can literally wander onto the site without realising by following either public footpaths or just the train lines .
Knowing my clumsy ass I would accidentally trip over a box and land on a shell
Kaboom!
Well, take solace in the fact that you'd only do it ONCE!
Or slip on a banana
And get a sore head for your trouble.
Bed didn't know you a clumsy ass, thought that a donkey.
Seems like a big risk to keep the majority of your munitions in one location
my thoughts exactly, isn't that sort of like all eggs in one basket?
It did not used to be like that before Blair. There were War Stocks Depots hidden everywhere - which Blair_emptied, gave away to African countries for free - and sold the land to his property developer mates to build housing estates. He needs to answer one day.
Lots of our great SLR rifles went to Sierra_Leone - where the local warlords and terrorists promptly caused a civil war.
They are no doubt rusting in the jungle now.
DatMotoGuy Make no mistake, this isn't where the good stuff is stored.
Stephen Cockett There still is many more DMs
Yes but nobody knows where it is...ooops
"so this one is defineately inert?" yeah but just dont look behind you or infront of you in any direction to the live ammunitions
"We had Thor test it earlier, Norse Bloke said it was good."
That's not a dumb question. Point is that it is safe to touch and handle and thus safe for demonstrations.
The warehouse was mostly Paveway 4 kits. They aren't explosive.
I am so glad this has been done, I have often wanted to see inside an existing/in-use munitions bunker/store. Really detailed insight which has cured my curiosities! great to see the MoD allowing access and been quite open. Great watch.
Vladimir Putin agrees with you .....CHUMP!
Should of joined the RLC then
There is absolutely no reason for this to be in my recommendations, but hell, now I am interested
The algorithm knows.
2:29 what a Goblin she made it through Sandhurst without being touched
Absolutely honking.
There was a 2nd LT at our place that had a GUNT the size of my head. Mutants the lot of them.
God!, This takes me back, DM Kineton or CAD Kineton as it was know back in the day, was my first posting after basic training back in 1986/7. Served with some great lads and have some good memory's.
I live like 3 miles from that, I didn’t even know this is what Kineton did 😂
If they brought back conscription you would
Rat King I think they should do that, national service would sort out many problems and mean the police would have to spend far less time money and manpower taking down 14 year old idiot drug dealers
Boomy2710x you think the army would want people like that?
Gaydon, around the corner, used to be the UK V bomber base. I've had the privilege to look inside an old nuke bomb bunker.
nolelox it’s a shame our military is just a shadow of its former self, torys have ruined the military and made it weak and almost insignificant with their brutal cuts
I was an AT at CAD Kineton from Jan 62 until Feb 64 and again from Dec 66 to June 69. Since then I have passed the depot on many occasions and noted its reincarnation from the original layout with well over two hundred rail served sheds (ESHs), seventy miles of rail track and virtually no roads to its current format. The original depot was split into three sub-depots, 1 & 2 to the east of the B4086, 3 to the west of that road. There was a twice daily passenger train to take staff from camp HQ to 3 Sub. Up until the late 60's the road on the south side of the depot from the B4100 (A41 in those days) to the B4086 did not exist. Originally there was a whole line of sheds on its alignment which, together with a cluster of sheds near Radway village, were demolished in the mid 60's. This was because they were too close to habitation that severely restricted how much explosive could be stored in them. In those days there were three level crossings over the B4086. These demolitions allowed the new road to be constructed to fulfil a promise made to the local population when the depot was built to reinstate a link between the two roads.
Interesting to see the demolition ground at work, we had a 10lb explosive content limit for each 'blow' but we worked with each 'blow' being done in a pit. I believe they had to be a minimum of 3ft deep. For bigger blows, mainly to get rid of bulk stocks of wartime guncotton and other explosives, we used to take lorry loads down to the Salisbury Plain where we could have 80lb blows, again in pits. The dem ground had its own rail siding, there always had to be a small Wickham railcar and trailer present when we were working in case of accidents to take casualties (or the bits) away. The normal driver was old Bill from Northend village who, knowing my interest in railways, took me on explorations of rusty rail lines in the depths of 3 Sub where no 'man' had been for years! I pulled the point's levers (switches for readers in the USA) whilst he drove!. For other railway 'buffs', during my first tour at Kineton the SMJ was still open for freight and was used mainly for iron ore trains passing through. I also recall the winter of 62/ 3 at the depot, I was sub-depot AT and had to cross the depths of the depot by foot, regularly disappearing into snow hidden ditches. Using pinch bars to move wagons frozen to the tracks was another skill that we were not taught at Army Apprentice College!
I did visit the depot on two occasions by rail tours in later years, this was after the depot had been reconfigured. On the second occasion the train, hauled by army locos, went round the whole depot, including '3 Sub', [all the stoves in the kitchen car had to be extinguished whilst the train was in the depot]. The funniest thing about this though was a chap who had got on the train by mistake at Banbury. He did not realise that he was on the wrong train until he was halfway round the depot, announcing to everybody that he should be at some location many miles to the north. The big problem for him was that he was due to be the best man at a wedding! Some good liaison between depot staff and MOD Police saw him taken from the train to Leamington Spa to continue his journey north.
Like many comments above I cannot understand why smoke grenades only have a five-year life, at least in a temperate climate. We had perfectly serviceable twenty-year-old wartime grenades and paper cased illuminating cartridges for Verey pistols in the 60's. The same with 2" mortar smoke, although we did do a recart and retail job on tens of thousands of these. Used to find notes in the boxes from the girls working in the wartime factories to the soldiers they thought would have used them within months!
The stories I could tell - can anybody remember me during my second tour as a Sgt arriving each morning on my bike from Kineton village?
What a waste. They could just sell old explosives at military surplus stores so that civilians can have a blast during holidays.
I was one of 11 asked to volunteer to guard a dump in Germany for 24 hours. No one in without the proper paperwork, live rounds in weapons and a massive hill between the modern guardhouse and the rest of the dump. There was even pools to jump in because phosphorus was stored there. One major did his nut when we refused him access as he had the incorrect paperwork and we arrested some suspicious looking Germans across the road. It was when PIRA was active. During the night, I heard someone creep up to the wire. I fell over backwards cocking my SLR and fortunately didn't fire. It was a boar and I would have looked well stupid explaining that one away, although we would have eaten well first. Those were the days :) PS The Germans turned out to be picking mushrooms.
You fell for that old line? 😂
I've been kicked of the base for saying "who the f^%$ do you think your talking to" to the gobby head of civil contractors.... ooops!
My cousin did some bomb disposal training their, to detect electronic triggered IED's. He found 4 out of 5 on the compound. His sergeant asked him to pull alongside a bin and try again. No detection was found. The sergeant got out and checked the bin because he hid the devise there. Local council had emptied the bin lol
nolelox 😂😂 what a beauty
I’d lose the will to fight never mind live fighting alongside these uptight jobsworths
Very interesting, I lived in Warwick years ago when the site was called CAD Kineton. Thanks for a glimpse of the history of the place.
Not only an active army base but also the Edgehill battlefield. They used to do escorted tours of the battlefield back in the late 60's.
And you can go to RAF Edgehill (Shenington Gliding Club) to do some glider flying :-).
Or Gaydon
Just down the road from me is Holton Heath which was once the largest munitions manufacturing site in the world,it's now a mixture of heathland and industrial estate,but some of the original buildings from around WW1 are still in use.
It was only a cordite factory - the cordite was transported by barge to Priddy's Hard in Gosport where it was used to fill the cartridge cases. I remember seeing a whole string of 'empty' barges when I was walking around Poole Harbour in the 1960's each was flying a red flag ( Flag B - I have explosives on board) . Never occurred to me why they were there till years later. Holton Heath station was built for workers to get to the site but was not shown in any public maps or timetables.
@@johnmurrell3175 thanks for the extra info John,I'll admit I'm not from this area,or country even 😉 ,I regularly walk my dog around there,very interesting place,still got an AA platform which has finally been cleared of scrub.
Defence Kineton. In my day it was called Central Ordnance Depot Kineton. How times change.
Bad Kineton for me......and most of the surplus is in the EWS
@@coops9871 Biggest one I've been to was BAD Longtown. Used to use it as a prep base for the Army Rally team. Perimeter road made a nice test track.
So is anyone else thinking what I am thinking? All eggs in one basket, one hypersonic missile?
Fellas, yeah, hi. Greets from the US. Hope you're well. Do me a favor. Just take a minute and look and see if you have any .30 carbine. It's obsolete, you don't use anything that takes it any more. I know, it's not in your inventory lists most likely, but you know, just check the back room, under those old tarps. I'll take any crate you happen to find. Thanks and hugs!
Mr. Blutarsky why would they?
1:38 his name
I was a kid at CAD Kineton,,, best childhood ever
I actually help build the igloo’s in the 80s. My dad,uncle and I did 12 hour shifts there, good memories
kineton was my first uk posting when i was in my 20s im now in my 70 s but still have fond memories of c a d kineton
Very interesting and thanks for sharing. I rode through the site on my Ducati a couple of weeks ago, never realised its significance. All under the shadow of Edge Hill too, scene of a few more bangs in the 17th century 😊
Lovely wildlife ponds. I never knew that they were so quick and easy to make. Alan Titchmarsh has lied to me for all these years!😡 Keep up the good work fellas. I can't wait to get back to Salisbury Plain after lock down for some wildlife watching.
I can't wait to get back to Salisbury Plain to help guys make bigger ponds on the Plain
This is not Salisbury Plain. It is just off the M40 near Gaydon motor museum and the Aston Martin works.
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What a great video, getting a glimpse into MOD munitions storage.
Me: *tests grenade*
*Everybody else in the ammunition depot:* 0_0
Great report Sian
Interesting. My father Terry Jickells used to run the demolitions wing at 22 SAS for some years. This would be right up his street. Mark
That's classified.
@@jbuckley2546 Not any more
Yeah of course mate
@@jbuckley2546 None of you know the family - you wouldn't have a clue about Hereford or what we do or don't know.
@@matap3021 Ni, he's dead.
Why blow up the out of date explosives? If they don't want it, they should auction it off, or give it to a homeless shelter. Don't waste it.
Wtf would homeless people do with unstable high explosives???
@@craigfield8465 Its called Dark humour🙄
It is quite amazing though that some of these munitions of such a short lifespan.
You need a bit of a chemistry basics education , it seems.
I have ww2 era ammo that shoots, corrosive but good
If you buy fireworks they only have a very short life - look at the use by date on the packages.
@@johnmurrell3175
Odds are that short use by date is significantly shorter than it really should be to discourage people from stockpiling fireworks in the garage.
Gotta love the constant ticking sound, thanks forces news!
Worked for a farmer that lived next door to it only one rail link in & out. And offen see plain painted wagons with a escourt going in at nite . The farmer said if it ever went up it would leave a crater 10 miles wide.
my dad was stationed there from 78 - 81 he was in the RAOC in A Coy and worked in the APB,s
that's MY dad in the stills, WOW 4;09 on the left ;)
85 grams of explosive for a 500 pound bomb? You guys are lacking using these smart bombs
85g of PBXN-109 is _plenty._
@@robashton8606 could be 500 pounds :0
Think he made a boo boo
I think he meant to say 85kilograms. If you look up a US Mark 82 500 pound bomb you will find information like Tritonal, PBXN-109 (192 lbs.) that is 87 kg. So 85kg is a reasonable
Why are the items nearing end of service life not given to the squaddies for training?
I guess as they are leaving service, they wouldn't be helpful for training.
Here have a 500lb bomb and some phosphorus to burn your eyes out. Have fun (in rehab).
@@oliverwalters9533 I mean nearing the end of service. Hopefully we are not using brand new pyro for training? Just to circulate it.
End of Service life also includes things like Safe to Handle. Try explaining to a Squaddies family that their Man/Woman was blown up by something that had become unreliable and unsafe, but, OK you can play with it !
If you pull the pin on a grenade and it fails to initiate, what do you do next?
Back in January 1963 I arrived at CAD Kineton. Back then there was a farmer and his herd of cows! 1963 started with a cold spell lasting weeks, we used to make our way on foot over fields with two or three foot snow. Working in huge brick and concrete “sheds” full of what seemed every type of munitions ever made! I was there more than four years, some good time and nice people..some I still have contact with, not so nice people and bad times, enough to persuade me I did not want to spend another five years in some steaming far east station and getting paid less than any docker shifting loads!
Im dancing around like Wesley snipes from demolition man when he sees all the guns . What's your bogel
In the 1980's I did many of the design and technical drawings for the Igloos and railway depot at CAD Kineton.
scraping anti-personnel mines is a good idea, however doing the same for vehicles mines, maybe not so. Mines would have been essential if we had lost the battle of Britain, and if a war was ever to come to our shores, our small professional army would need all the force multipliers it could get.
Don't be INSANE! Mines kill people! A location is best defended by infantry, preferably with blank firing rifles. The British Army have moved on from things like thinking about winning wars, to more important stuff like ensuring everyone is gender neutral and non binary!
It took until 1975 to completely De-mine the UK minefields from WW2.
1. The US has not signed the treaty prohibiting landmines, so worst case, the UK could simply ask the US for help.
2. If the security of the UK was seriously in question, my guess is that they could manufacture and deploy as many as needed in short order, and would do so notwithstanding any treaty.
3. If the UK didn't believe (and reasonably so) at the time that there wasn't any real prospect of needing them in the next few decades, they could sign the treaty and not have to store and maintain something they never thought they would use within it expected life. Makes sense.
@@kcgunesq Yes, the UK signed The Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Convention in September 1997 and has spent millions of pounds over the last couple of decades removing landmines from previous warzones and training the locals to continue the work. I myself had a part in this, working in North West Africa alongside the French. The treaty only relates to anti-personnel mines and not anti tank devices and we still have those for deployment, if needed.
Don’t they realise how low the water table is at Kineton 😂
Is it wise to have to 3/4 of your entire munitions in one place? One big accident or attack and it would severely hamper the armed forces in operations.
Fascinating. I drive past the site quite often - really interesting to see inside the fence.
Very Interesting Film, Thanks FORCES TV! 👍🏼👍🏼
That is a strange way to store ammunition. I was frequently getting 20 x 139 DM 48 from a depot situated between Nordholz and Cuxhaven - Altenwalde in Germany and there it is stored in what looks like elevated dog sheds or huts with a table underneath, 2 Euro pallets in size inside, about 1,50 m high, apx 1 m elevated with big gates in front made from round steel bars so if any ammo is going off inside there will be no demage ... Hundreds of them all apx. 20 m apart.
The kebab van is banging too lol
So glad the comments section is full of proper ally armchair experts who I'm sure are technical experts on British munitions storage....
Y A W N !
Hat
Is putting a freefall bomb into a NATO bunker "technical" now then?
we used to use little nits of HE when we ran out of cooking tablets in our ration packs, it just burns nicely so I do not know why they made such a fuss about small samples.
I am surprised that it was not mentioned that quite often burning is worse for the environment than exploding. Specifically explosives when burned can give off all sorts of nasties. Once an explosive is detonated if it is stochiometric then all you get is water carbon dioxide and nitrogen, rather than nitric and nitrous oxide, carbon monoxide and occasionally hydrogen peroxide.
.... stores more than 60% of the entire Ministry of Defence’s munitions .... NOT very clever indeed!!!
The whole of NATO use the exact same ammunition, while it would be a temporary lose. It woundt take long to get more ammunition from the USA or Germany.
Its old out of service ammo. It doesn't matter
@@GVTSounds it has current munitions which it issues out as well as stores for out of date munitions, the majority on the site is serviceable stores
I mean, you're not going to get in there by land, and if a country manages to get a plane anywhere near there, then there would be more pressing issues the UK would be facing.
Ethan Edwards what about UNO, same 5,56 for AKs, or where these rounds longer?
Thank you for giving us a peek inside this unseen world. Very interesting and cool!
I lived on this camp as a teenager with my parents 😮
Really love this channel, numerous members of my family are In the Army, I say what you been doing "nothing," they say. Great vids, thank you for this.
The exploder appeared to be a Shrike, as I remember from the RNZE in the 1980 and 1990s. I suspect that it is an evolution of that model.
Still the same shrike I used for 24 years, no change, it worked well, we supplemented it with RDFD's in some roles but shrike was cheap and worked with grip switch as back up.
If you want to see the grand daddy facility it's Hawthorne Nevada. I drive through there on route 95 a few times a year, always fun to stop for food break in the area great company if you know what I mean. Not many other stops on the way south from there except maybe Mina or luning but they are pretty dead.
Drove past it the other day. It’s massive. Great video.
Well what did you expect it to be?
We never had a chance to use any of our ordnance, even when i was with the shooting team we were restricted on how much ammo we could use. Then we watched in disbelief when they took most away for disposal when the end dates were up. No firing ammo, no throwing grenades, no firing rockets it all just sat there until it was disposed off.
It is British army policy not to allow the troops to practice by firing surplus munitions?
No wonder you get your backsides kicked as often as the Americans.
I don't know about the other items mentioned by you, but the reason that the smoke grenades aren't generally disposed of by troops practicing is that they contain phosphorous which is pretty horrible stuff to have in the environment. It's more toxic than hydrogen cyanide, and the smoke forms acid in you eyes and lungs.
We often had range camps at the end of the 'financial year' where we would get to use all sorts of weapons we rarely fired, loads of explosives (sometimes more than targets we had). In the shooting team we often had 'fun days' just having a blast to use up ammo.
@@andrewallen9993 Really? When? Context
@@gregoryclark8217 It's literally used as a chemical weapon against civilians
why don't they store their stuff in vacuum-sealed spam cans as the Russians do to prolong its shelf life
Oh Brilliant, now everyone knows where it is
You know this is on Google Maps?
Dogs behind barbed wire like extra meat
I used to live close by. We always said that if the balloon went up we should put our heads between our legs and kiss goodbye to ‘it’
Didn't know Thor was in the RAF
Worked in Ammo in the US Army. Had a bunch of storage areas in Korea, Saudi Arabia
Cool story bro
What's more valuable, the ammo or the 400+ historic cars stored in the adjacent British Motor Museum, let alone the compounds of brand new Aston Martin, Range Rovers, and Jaguars, stored around what was RAF Gaydon?
Forces TV needs to dial back on the YT ad frequency on this channel. Too many ads.
After watching this we literally have no hope in hell in any conflict 😂😂😂
I'm glad I left when I did
Sure bud. We have some of the most advanced kit on the planet, some of the most feared and disciplined troops around and you think we stand no chance in a conflict? Cringe much.
Been there done that. Spectacular. Lumps of clay dropped behind the concrete bunker and they informed air traffic control of the operation.
Is it safe to give out this information
*'Kine - ton' ?*
You'd think that the purpose of the site would suggest it should be pronounced _'kin - eh - ton'_ (as in _'kinetic'_ ) due to the massive amount of potential _kinetic energy_ being stored there, albeit in _chemical_ form.
Used bar mines for bridge demolition on training exercises and demolition training days
Never ask why there are ski boots attached to the ceiling in the MOD Kineton Officers' Mess bar ...
Why are there ski boots attached to the ceiling in the MOD Kineton Officers' Mess bar?
@@josephking6515 He said don't ask :P
SSgt Joe King RE?
This is an old demolition video from Finland. 5tons of high explosive, safe distance is 8km.
Wow... That's impressive! This American's hat is off to you!
At lest your enemies no exactly were to strike first the GRU be like look what's on RUclips and we thought we would have to spend time and money 😂😂😂
i'd love to have a rummage around that place
I worked in the Army Fire Brigade in the early 1980s. A field in Bramley, Hampshire had WW1 strange chemicals and other munitions buried. Massive lumps of white phosphorus too. We had to watch it all night. It began to flame as the air got to it. Much old ammunition and chemical weapons were recovered and we took it to be disposed of in Porton Down and other military sites. We followed them all the way.
Records of the munitions dumped were lost before the recovery began. Who knows what remains. Some mustard gas would go off. This has a distinctive smell.
Later a housing estate was built on the site. I wonder who knows what is under their garden.
CAD Bramley was my last posting before my discharge in 1972. I remember the explosive guys blowing up old staff cars during training for NI.
It wasn't always the largest. The largest ever in Europe since the end of WWII, was Miesau in Southwestern Germany.
They have anything to do with the accident with that Chally crew?
No
This is almost as restricted as taking cameras or phones inside ADX Florence supermax prison.
Was unaware the Army still used the Shrike Exploder! Suppose it’s one of those devices, if it’s not broken, don’t fix it!
Instead of disposing of them why do they not use them before expiry date for training etc? Especially munitions for aircraft. Or is it in such large quantities that they couldnt use them all before.
What about RNAD Crombie in Scotland ot RNAD Coulport which stores the.Trident missiles,, also in Scotland ?
What about it?
I was at the INNAP in Indiana
Better let everyone know where we keep it all
Thought welford was touted as the largest site?
I live just around the corner from here, always worried a nuke will go off
There are no nuclear weapons stored at Kineton. Occasionally road convoys from Aldermaston to RNAD Coulport May stop here en route.
Very interesting video thank you for sharing.
Very interesting but I'm not sure it's the wisest thing to give away such a lot of information about this strategic site in the current circumstances, or indeed at any time.
Google has it in full view.
Know it well, grew up in Kineton and still live 10mins away.
SGT JOHNSON IVE MISSED YOU
Mines being taken out of service because they're indiscriminate? War is indiscriminate? Aslong as it doesn't put us at a tactical disadvantage because I can tell you now Russia and our other potential adversaries still use them. Another example of the British Army being tamed.
I always thought of it as C.A.D. Kineton.
What happened to RAF Bracht, thought that was an ammo dump. Which corps runs the dump?
Great video I live near there and I never knew that's what goes on there
Same! I always wondered what they did there
Good idea keep 60 percent of your ammo in one place 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dont believe all that is said. Careless talk costs lives!
A location is best defended by infantry, preferably with blank firing rifles. The British Army have moved on from things like thinking about winning wars, to more important stuff like ensuring everyone is gender neutral and non binary!
Tht senior aircraftman early in the video, should really look into a partime narrating nat geo. He has the voice and style for it. 😂