Anthony, please talk about the Cure more. Like please do a cure tier list or classic review or anything. I just feel like big music channels don't really bring up the band often so im sure many people would appreciate you talking about them more.
I love Daydream Nation, I think it’s accessible and every song has a cool hook. It’s a calling card album for the band even though it’s not the ultimate statement of what made them unique in rock music.
@@unitedleagueofgamers3633whatever you say man nard was known to push it sometimes I mean he had to he genuinely wasn’t as known or had that nice guy reputation and also bruh was known to ask very personal questions back then
_Thriller in B-Tier..... Disappointed how some just do not realize how much Thriller did for the Music Industry. It deserves to be much higher than that._
This was the original list they did in 2002: 1. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation 2. Talking Heads - Remain In Light 3. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique 4. Pixies - Doolittle 5. R.E.M. - Murmur 6. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead 7. Pixies - Surfer Rosa 8. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs 9. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back 10. Joy Division - Closer
Swap out Doolittle and Queen is Dead (fuck Morrissey) for Songs About Fucking and Disintegration, and Daydream Nation for Sister. Pretty solid list otherwise.
I've tried this album for the first time a few months ago and it almost literally bored me to tears. I mean, I love The Cure's hit songs, and it was the first time I've tried one of their albums from back to back, but god... what a painful experience. See, I'm not a hater, I usually try an album a few times before forming an opinion but not this one, not ever again. It's just insanely overrated imo.
I love how people seem to forget MJ and Prince are the definition of apples and oranges musically. Both were masters at their games, but it really boils down to personal preference. Pop and mainstream r&b fans I know seem to love MJ more, funk and rock fans I know seem to prefer Prince. It's very simple
They're two wildly popular, rather feminine, talented light-skin black dudes from the 80s. That's all they have in common. Their music is very different.
@@bigbananadealer846could've been fun, but it would've been a record label nightmare. Sony would never let MJ work on Prince's label and Warner would've never loaned Prince out to MJ's label
There are so many lyrics on this album that you could pen on a notebook or in the liner of a book and then you stumble upon it years later and they still ring as true as the day you wrote then down.
as someone whose favorite album ever is Daydream Nation and has been watching your channel for almost 10 years, this video hurts 😭 guess we’re never gonna get that Daydream Nation classic review
Only been about two years since I found out and first listened to Disintegration but by the number of times I've listened to it the enjoyment I still get out of it, it's probably my most favourite album. Truly perfect from start to finish, not a single track that slacks.
Man 5 years ago i would have totally lost my mind at tht placement. One of my top 5 albums for a long time. but recently ive gone back and it really does get kind of monotonous at points. Personally i really enjoy dirty and goo for the structure and humor on songs like dirty boots or kool thing Edit: Teenage riot remains the quintessential indie rock song tho
seriously, what the hell. i like the other sonic youth albums too. but nah, daydream nation is an easy S tier for me. C is just purposely controversial 🤬
I don't care about the c tier, I just don't get how he thinks Goo is better. I do get why he would prefer Sister and Evol (Sister is just more direct and wild), but still.
I miss the worst to best series, and I would absolutely not argue with a Kate Bush one. I haven't really heard Fantano talk about anything of hers other than Hounds.
@@jefficient1 disagree, while Last Dance for example doesnt really add anything of substance to the record, its a great song overall and I'm glad they put it on the re-issue
Hounds of love deserved S tier. Big satisfaction at that. One of the best albums of all time, and one that means a lot to me. Truly a special project. Kate bush best art pop artist of all time.
"Don't Believe the Hype" is probably one of my favorite songs to listen to when looking back and reflecting on getting involved with the military, and Afghanistan. Banger album.
This got me to go back to relisten to Disintegration. My god that album is just so magical and wonderful. Only negative I can say about it is that it was the first domino to get me into really artsy sadboy music, which made me kind of a pretentious tw*t during my teenage years
maybe a bit too much - its not like she doesn't get love on other lists. This list feels like its overdoing it like it will make up for how that a$$hole treated her and ruined her career.
@@xBINARYGODx I'm not aware of the history but how was her career ruined? She is one of the most successful pop musicians of all time as numbers go, but I'm happy to learn some Jackson lore.
@@xBINARYGODxNah. Janet Jackson can never be praised too much in my opinion. She’s incredible. Her influence and artistry with Jam and Lewis spans much, much larger than people give her credit for. Control itself basically pioneered New Jack Swing, industrial pop, and masterfully fused R&B, pop, and even hip hop.
Basically, Justin Timberlake and Janet pulled light striptease stunt at the SuperBowl. Because Americans aren‘t aware that women have breasts, the nation collectively lost its mind and called the stunt Nipple-Gate. Then, Justin threw her under the bus saying he wasn‘t aware that ripping her clothes apart would expose her … (yes, sure). Then, she was blacklisted.
@@arvaakuka8568 she was "ruined" in the sense that it seemed to end her hitmaking days literally overnight. It was so ridiculous how people reacted and people have come around, but it still doesn't undo the backlash she went through. In comparison, Michael and Madonna saw massive backlashes too, but they were never publicly flogged the way Janet was and having radio and MTV boycotting them
Straight Outta Compton has too many forgettable songs to deserve a spot here. There are too many equally genre-creating or genre-defining records that are 10s from start to finish for me to like the pick I can't understand why it made the list when equally important (but altogether better) records like Master of Puppets or Moving Pictures didn't
It’s Pitchfork. There almost no chance they’d put a genuine metal album on a top 10 decade list, despite an album like Master of Puppets being near perfect (in my opinion) and incredibly influential.
This list came out pretty close to when that horrible Straight Outta Compton movie came out and I think that had a huge impact on it. The fact that this is in the top 10 and not Paul’s Boutique or The Queen is Dead or Paid in Full is a crime.
Definitely not lol. Fantano on an island with that take. Thriller is the much better album in every way. Even as an experience. It’s the greatest 8Os album easily and cemented MJ as the King for a reason.
I tried mine (chronological order): Closer (1980) Remain in Light (1980) Moving Pictures (1981) Thriller (1982) Meat Is Murder (1985) Rain Dogs (1985) Master of Puppets (1986) Doolittle (1989) Disintegration (1989) The Stone Roses (1989) Honorable mentions: Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) (1980), The River (1980), Discipline (1981), Clics Modernos (1983), Double Nickels on the Dime (1984), Hounds of Love (1985), Signos (1986), Sign "O" the Times (1987), Spirit of Eden (1988), Daydream Nation (1988).
@@andymulai2765Off The Wall, yes, but Bad is not as good as those two albums. Go listen to "Just Good Friends", "Speed Demon" and "Leave Me Alone" then tell me they're better than the worst moments on Thriller and Off The Wall. Some of the most generic shit Michael has ever recorded.
@@saintkevinofficial nah of all the tracks you diss speed demon😭easily better then the girl is mine, lady in my life, wanna be starting something and arguably baby be mine and as for the other 2 they go even harder
@@andymulai2765 I disagree on Wanna Be Startin Something. That is an EPIC pop song. From beginning to end, it’s pretty much wildly perfect. I also think Baby Be Mine is great but other than I agree.
Daydream Nation is a band at the height of their creative powers. The songwriting and experimental balance was never before or after as strong. This take is probably why I only agree with this critic 50% of the time. No arguments with RIL and Disintegration though
I'm okay with his take of how it rates relative to their other albums, but it's placement in C Tier relative to the 80s in general, and specifically compared to the dross he places higher, is insane and culturally illiterate.
daydream nation was done so dirty here. fires on all cylinders and never stops until the end of the record. teen age riot, silver rocket, the sprawl, cross the breeze, total trash, candle and the trilogy are all timers and it all comes together to make the best album of the 80s
Agreed. He didn't like "Human Nature", "The Girl is Mine" and "Baby Be Mine". He claimed they were too "breezy". I get not liking the duet with Paul McCartney...but the other two??
definitely and got the hots the demo song definitely should have been on thriller instead of the cheesy the girl is mine, it's the best demo song MJ ever did
i literally looked through the entire list the other week to see where pixies ranked, surfer rosa was way high up on the ranking considering its the record every modern rock band try rip off, and doolittle i think was 13ish. for me theyd be 1st n 2nd respectively but ig i am biased lol. idk if ive ever heard fantano even mention pixies
I hate to push the comments # over 666! Favoring Goo over Daydream Nation is absurd, when tracks 4-10 are at best spotty ("Cinderella's Big Score"), jokey throwaways ("My Friend Goo"), filler (most of it) or completely embarrassing ("Kool Thing"). That leaves four good tracks, none of which surpass the best of Daydream. That album disappointed me the day it came out and hasn't stopped since. I'll take Dirty or Washing Machine over Goo.
Doolittle, The Queen Is Dead, Closer, and Power Corruption & Lies all being outside the Top 10 makes me feel like Pitchfork are second-guessing themselves. Like, they're worried people would think a publication with a historical bias towards indie rock would *obviously* pick those records, so they pushed them down the list.
It’s all down to personal enjoyment for fantano, not it’s impact or influence. He even did a classic review for the album because he recognises that it has classic status but that doesn’t mean he personally enjoys it the most.
@@Prodbyjah464 Yeah but the purpose of these rankings he does is a bit blurred. Like is he ranking how Pitchfork got it right or wrong or is he ranking how he enjoys the album. If it's the latter, makes sense but if it's the former, in my humble opinion, I think Pitchfork got it right to put it at #2.
@@seanhein6599 I mean not really, like I said the entire purpose is based off of personal enjoyment, not whether or not he thought pitchfork got it right. That can only be judged after he goes through the whole list. It really ain’t that hard to figure out that fantano rates things on how much he likes them, not some criteria that determines whether things are good or bad. Ik it seems that way cause he can explain why he likes and dislikes stuff but that’s the truth.
@@Prodbyjah464 For other decades he did mention about how Pitchfork got it right. I go try to dig them. For one on top of my head, it's Kid A on one of his lists about each year's top album of the 2000s by Pitchfork. So I thought it's also about how Pitchfork got it right. But maybe it's just a passive remark he made. I hear you though. I'm not disagreeing with you, it's his taste but also I thought there's that extra bit in these videos.
I got into Disintegration because of that Robert Smith South Park episode where Kyle shouts that Disintegration is greatest album ever. Thankful for that.
After seeing The Cure this summer, transcendant is the perfect word. Robert Smith in his fucking 60s is schooling most vocal contempories in his form. Vintage form. I could go on about Disintegration for days. Lovesong could be the greatest love song ever, Plainsong the greatest opener ever, and Untitled a great closer as well. So many other songs like Pictures of You, Fascination Street, Lullaby, Prayers for Rain, and my goodness the title track. It's in my desert island albums for a reason. It's magnificent
@@pinthecool1 How the hell does Songs from the Big Chair suck? The songwriting and hits on there are not only emblematic of the period, but the album has a great share of badass variety in pop, prog, rock, and new wave. Id suggest a relisten, my guy. As for Bruce, I figured Born in the USA was rebellious and edgy enough to find a high spot on there, lol.
i hate when anthony does that thing of trying not make the most obvious choices as a critic and he ends up favoring a band's second most critically acclaimed album
10. Stevie Nicks - Belladonna 9. Prince - Purple Rain 8. The Cure - Disintegration 7. Duran Duran - Rio 6. Tears for Fears - Songs from the Big Chair 5. The Pretenders - Pretenders II 4. Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell 3. Metallica - Kill em all 2. Madonna - True Blue 1. Michael Jackson - Thriller
This entire list is a joke from 200 to 1. I absolutely love Nick Cave, but from Her to Eternity is not better than Ride the Lightning and Appetite for Destruction. INXS's Kick is 70 places higher (as in worse) than R.E.M's Murmur? Give me an effin break. Minor Threat is great but not the 23rd best album of the 80s. Both Fugazi records and the Bad Brains are better. This is just clueless people throwing darts at a wall.
"Will check out purple rain/prince too btw!" Oh sweet Jesus, do yourself a favour and *savour* that moment for all it's worth. I am so jealous of you for having the opportunity to listen to *Purple Rain*, in my opinion the best album ever made, for the first time. I hope it does for you even 10% of what it did for me. Happy listening!
I'm glad I've found someone that agrees that Bad is a better album experience than Thriller. Also i, too, think it works better as a compilation than as a studio album
exactly I just wish michael would have released more than 2 albums during the 80s like release new albums at a faster rate instead of 4 years even luther vandross and billy ocean released at least 5 albums a decade michael was too much of a perfectionist I guess
@@michaelsevilla3697I think it’s also to do with the backlash and critiques from the media post Thriller hype. Also with the fact he wanted Bad to be an even bigger album than Thriller could of influenced the long gap between albums. I just wish he released more albums in general but like you said he was too much of a perfectionist.
So, no Madonna on the top ten, I guess I will look past that, or I would but Janet Jackson's Control made it, so I'm-a-have-to call bull about Madonna not on it once, especially given her 80's output and what it means for the decade, at all points of it. And also, Madonna's highest rank on this chart is 16 and its... her debut album? Also Like A Prayer is on the list, as it should be, but 78? Again, just make a top 50 or 100 and make it unordered. OH wait, this is not about honest ideas on art, its about clickbait and making sure we list in virtue-signal ways. PS - Jackson's Bad at 72.... like... for real? * Picard facepalm *
1999 as a whole is a more exciting experience, but I get Purple Rain, it's Prince's most accessible record, just the right amount of pop for mainstream audiences and also with enough traces of avant-garde stylings (Computer Blue, Darlin' Nikki) for more adventurous types. I'm burnt out on the album after 38 years and personally rank 1999 and Sign above it, but PR by all means is THE Prince album for the average music listener
All the placements on the list made sense to me except “Control” which I would have put in the C row. Sorry to the Janet fans (I love her too) but Control isn’t that strong of an album all around. The hits are really what makes it. Rhythm Nation and Velvet Rope are the two albums where her talent really shines. The list should have included “Like A Prayer”, but Pitchfork seems to not appreciate Madonna or “Introducing The Hardline According To Terrence Trent D’arby” which are both far superior albums than “Control”
Anthony, please talk about the Cure more. Like please do a cure tier list or classic review or anything. I just feel like big music channels don't really bring up the band often so im sure many people would appreciate you talking about them more.
Yes to a Cure tier list. I know where he would put Pornography. 🔝
The lack of Cure content is criminal.
ya they get kinda slept on today. people know the hits and don't realize how amazing their work is
They all take The Cure for granted
🤝 ‼️
I love Daydream Nation, I think it’s accessible and every song has a cool hook. It’s a calling card album for the band even though it’s not the ultimate statement of what made them unique in rock music.
Justice for Nardwuar
@@unitedleagueofgamers3633whatever you say man nard was known to push it sometimes I mean he had to he genuinely wasn’t as known or had that nice guy reputation and also bruh was known to ask very personal questions back then
@unitedleagueofgamers3633 its been 30 years, get over it
@@jsksjdjdjdjxnddndthe band are absolute dorks
punk rock inbetween the 80s and early 2000s was something else
_Thriller in B-Tier..... Disappointed how some just do not realize how much Thriller did for the Music Industry. It deserves to be much higher than that._
Yes the 1880s sure had some bangers
LISTEN TO agelast222
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Gotta appreciate the classics like the 1812 overture and “The Washington Post”
Ah yes, like the original 'boys in paris'
I'll never lose this pain
never dream of you again
Disintegration is a freaking masterpiece
facts
"Disintegration is the best album ever!" - Kyle Brofloski
Not even the best cure album smh😮💨
Untitled and Lovesong are my fav tracks 🥰
Disintegration is a 10
This was the original list they did in 2002:
1. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
2. Talking Heads - Remain In Light
3. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
4. Pixies - Doolittle
5. R.E.M. - Murmur
6. The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
7. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
8. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
9. Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
10. Joy Division - Closer
That’s a good ass list
2 Pixies albums in the top 10 is pushing it.
@@ianstratton Agreed. Surfer Rosa is probably my favorite from them, but Doolittle feels like it's so much more of an improvement
Swap out Doolittle and Queen is Dead (fuck Morrissey) for Songs About Fucking and Disintegration, and Daydream Nation for Sister. Pretty solid list otherwise.
@@wristofkingsMorrissey sucks but you gotta admit the smiths have their place. I do agree songs about fucking is a better album than Doolittle though
Disintegration is not actually my favorite Cure album, but I agree objectively that it's their peak. An amazing sound
i'd definitely put pornography on a list like this
@@pennydreadfuls_as you should
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I've tried this album for the first time a few months ago and it almost literally bored me to tears. I mean, I love The Cure's hit songs, and it was the first time I've tried one of their albums from back to back, but god... what a painful experience.
See, I'm not a hater, I usually try an album a few times before forming an opinion but not this one, not ever again. It's just insanely overrated imo.
@@duarte2140 u know it son
He’s finally gonna talk about disintegration! Greatest album of the 80’s imo..
Greatest of all time in my opinion
@@punpun1443 yes
Top 3 album for me
It’s probably just the greatest album ever made
I like Pornography a lot more. The albums pretty cool too
Disintegration blew my freakin mind the first time I listened to it. Nothing quite like it.
I love how people seem to forget MJ and Prince are the definition of apples and oranges musically. Both were masters at their games, but it really boils down to personal preference. Pop and mainstream r&b fans I know seem to love MJ more, funk and rock fans I know seem to prefer Prince. It's very simple
They're two wildly popular, rather feminine, talented light-skin black dudes from the 80s.
That's all they have in common. Their music is very different.
@@brentivison4942 that´s exactly what I was going to comment.
@@brentivison4942imagine if they did the batman soundtrack together like it was planned, MJ as batman Prince as Joker
@@bigbananadealer846could've been fun, but it would've been a record label nightmare. Sony would never let MJ work on Prince's label and Warner would've never loaned Prince out to MJ's label
Dude, everybody likes Prince and Michael Jackson.
“It’s easier for me to get closer to heaven than ever feel whole again”
Disintegration, 10 outta 10
“To feel again the real belief, something more than mockery. If only I could fill my heart with love.” Perfection
There are so many lyrics on this album that you could pen on a notebook or in the liner of a book and then you stumble upon it years later and they still ring as true as the day you wrote then down.
The line “How the end always is” has stuck with me since I first heard that song. It’s such a simple, yet mind boggling concept.
@@Robertsmith3828 Easy for you to say Robert Smith lmao
@@blakkdeaff4460 ;p
as someone whose favorite album ever is Daydream Nation and has been watching your channel for almost 10 years, this video hurts 😭 guess we’re never gonna get that Daydream Nation classic review
You should do a sonic youth ranking video to show them the love they deserve :)
They were mean to nardwuar
Nardwuar incident….
@@battlesreign i mean, yea that was lame but it was also 30 years ago and im sure nardwuar doesnt hold a grudge on it. Also, kim gordon is a goddess.
They're a bunch of pretentious white art school kids who never possessed the talent or artistic prowess of their contemporaries.
@@blossomingbeelzebubthey were mean to him again when he ran into them like ten years later
Not including Power, Corruption and Lies by New Order is a major crime. One of the best new wave albums of the decade.
Yes! I just bought this album on vinyl recently i love it
its the 19th best
@@Arcticneo_ It should be at least in the top 12. IMO I would put it where Sonic Youth's record is on the list.
I love it but I dunno if it makes my top ten
Yeah that or Low-Life
Only been about two years since I found out and first listened to Disintegration but by the number of times I've listened to it the enjoyment I still get out of it, it's probably my most favourite album. Truly perfect from start to finish, not a single track that slacks.
And the way Fantano described it as being “transcendent” is exactly how I would describe the feeling Disintegrating gives me as well as loneliness.
Daydream nation is not even close being my fav sy album either, but C? Cmon man
Can you do the top 10 lawsuits of the 20s next ?
I’d go with Adkins v Children’s Hospital of D.C. from April 9, 1923 first. Definitely S Tier
Agreed that Sade record is truly something special!
S tier for me
Disintegration classic review? Also one day a Bright Eyes classic review for one of their three best albums (LIFTED, IWAIM, F&M)
Yes I’ve been asking for disintegration forever!
Daydream Nation not being their best is an opinion I can respect, but C tier is just absolutely baffling
Absolutely vomitrocious 😵💫
It’s not a C but I think there’s several sonic youth albums that are better it starts and ends well but the middle is kind of underwhelming
@@gagemartin7207hey joni, candle and total trash are underwhelming? i guess we've got very different ears
Even putting it in C is still ok but saying Sister, Evol and Goo are better is a major sin
@@JustaRandomGuy890 that doesn’t even make sense
Just got into The Cure this year, and while Disintegration isn’t my favorite record, it’s a damn well deserved S.
Pornography is probably my favorite, even though I can hardly go back and listen to it nowadays cuz it’s so depressing
Disintegration is by their best album, perfection.
One of the greatest albums ever.
@@veslets For sure, one of my top 3 for sure. The Head on the Door is my personal favorite.
@@mrmxyzptlk8906 Can’t disagree!
I think wish is probably my favorite but disintegration is still great
Daydream Nation in C tier is an unforgivable crime
Man 5 years ago i would have totally lost my mind at tht placement. One of my top 5 albums for a long time. but recently ive gone back and it really does get kind of monotonous at points. Personally i really enjoy dirty and goo for the structure and humor on songs like dirty boots or kool thing
Edit: Teenage riot remains the quintessential indie rock song tho
seriously, what the hell. i like the other sonic youth albums too. but nah, daydream nation is an easy S tier for me. C is just purposely controversial 🤬
wildest take ever, Daydream Nation is a classic
I don't care about the c tier, I just don't get how he thinks Goo is better. I do get why he would prefer Sister and Evol (Sister is just more direct and wild), but still.
Sonic Youth treated Nardwuar like shit twice. Fuck 'em.
we need kate bush worst to best NOW
I miss the worst to best series, and I would absolutely not argue with a Kate Bush one. I haven't really heard Fantano talk about anything of hers other than Hounds.
YES
@@AirTailsso??? It would be even more interesting that way
This is closest we’ll ever get to a cure review
I just got into talking heads and I’m so happy to see them in the S tier. Amazing album
Disintegration is EASILY S Tier
Best album ever
@@jefficient1 disagree, while Last Dance for example doesnt really add anything of substance to the record, its a great song overall and I'm glad they put it on the re-issue
@@jefficient1 thats fair
homesick and last dance essential in this album !!@@jefficient1
@@jefficient1 Homesick is one of my favourite songs on the album. Absolutely sublime imo
Where's Radiohead?
Lol
Thriller is S tier you maniac
Hounds of love deserved S tier. Big satisfaction at that. One of the best albums of all time, and one that means a lot to me. Truly a special project. Kate bush best art pop artist of all time.
YESSSS
Yeah you going to hell for that sonic youth take.
"Daydream Nation" isn't in S-tier = I don't care about any other opinion of this man
Purple Rain is a 10
Purple Rain is an 11
Purple Rain is a 12
"Don't Believe the Hype" is probably one of my favorite songs to listen to when looking back and reflecting on getting involved with the military, and Afghanistan. Banger album.
I said Melon Wanna Be Startin’ Something, He Got To Be Startin’ Something
I wanna be fartin bum shit, I said I wanna be fartin bum shit
This got me to go back to relisten to Disintegration. My god that album is just so magical and wonderful. Only negative I can say about it is that it was the first domino to get me into really artsy sadboy music, which made me kind of a pretentious tw*t during my teenage years
When it’s so good that the only bad thing is how it made you hop on a trend
So happy to finally see some love for The Cure on this channel
doesn't happen often enough!
Pitchfork really gives Janet the love that she deserves.
maybe a bit too much - its not like she doesn't get love on other lists. This list feels like its overdoing it like it will make up for how that a$$hole treated her and ruined her career.
@@xBINARYGODx I'm not aware of the history but how was her career ruined? She is one of the most successful pop musicians of all time as numbers go, but I'm happy to learn some Jackson lore.
@@xBINARYGODxNah. Janet Jackson can never be praised too much in my opinion. She’s incredible.
Her influence and artistry with Jam and Lewis spans much, much larger than people give her credit for. Control itself basically pioneered New Jack Swing, industrial pop, and masterfully fused R&B, pop, and even hip hop.
Basically, Justin Timberlake and Janet pulled light striptease stunt at the SuperBowl. Because Americans aren‘t aware that women have breasts, the nation collectively lost its mind and called the stunt Nipple-Gate. Then, Justin threw her under the bus saying he wasn‘t aware that ripping her clothes apart would expose her … (yes, sure). Then, she was blacklisted.
@@arvaakuka8568 she was "ruined" in the sense that it seemed to end her hitmaking days literally overnight. It was so ridiculous how people reacted and people have come around, but it still doesn't undo the backlash she went through. In comparison, Michael and Madonna saw massive backlashes too, but they were never publicly flogged the way Janet was and having radio and MTV boycotting them
YOU DID NOT JUST SAY GOO IS BETTER THAN DAYDREAM NATION
Straight Outta Compton has too many forgettable songs to deserve a spot here. There are too many equally genre-creating or genre-defining records that are 10s from start to finish for me to like the pick
I can't understand why it made the list when equally important (but altogether better) records like Master of Puppets or Moving Pictures didn't
Probably more about it's influence. Its best known tracks are anthems.
@@RobinHood-cd9mh If that's the criteria then this list should be exclusively MJ records
It’s Pitchfork. There almost no chance they’d put a genuine metal album on a top 10 decade list, despite an album like Master of Puppets being near perfect (in my opinion) and incredibly influential.
This list came out pretty close to when that horrible Straight Outta Compton movie came out and I think that had a huge impact on it. The fact that this is in the top 10 and not Paul’s Boutique or The Queen is Dead or Paid in Full is a crime.
I mean, it's a top 200, not a top 10, Melon is just focusing here. Don't worry, there are screwy entries all over the place.
Off the wall is better than thriller
Definitely not lol. Fantano on an island with that take. Thriller is the much better album in every way. Even as an experience. It’s the greatest 8Os album easily and cemented MJ as the King for a reason.
I tried mine (chronological order):
Closer (1980)
Remain in Light (1980)
Moving Pictures (1981)
Thriller (1982)
Meat Is Murder (1985)
Rain Dogs (1985)
Master of Puppets (1986)
Doolittle (1989)
Disintegration (1989)
The Stone Roses (1989)
Honorable mentions: Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps) (1980), The River (1980), Discipline (1981), Clics Modernos (1983), Double Nickels on the Dime (1984), Hounds of Love (1985), Signos (1986), Sign "O" the Times (1987), Spirit of Eden (1988), Daydream Nation (1988).
The stone roses is huge in Britain but way underrated worldwide
@@Smithy97it's known amongst music fans.
Good selection of albums. Better than pitchforks
Yeah I’m surprised master of puppets didn’t make it on the list considering how god level it is
Thriller on the B row is wild. Makes me jump over Melon
melon is a sheep that why
Off the wall and bad>>
@@andymulai2765Off The Wall, yes, but Bad is not as good as those two albums. Go listen to "Just Good Friends", "Speed Demon" and "Leave Me Alone" then tell me they're better than the worst moments on Thriller and Off The Wall. Some of the most generic shit Michael has ever recorded.
@@saintkevinofficial nah of all the tracks you diss speed demon😭easily better then the girl is mine, lady in my life, wanna be starting something and arguably baby be mine and as for the other 2 they go even harder
@@andymulai2765 I disagree on Wanna Be Startin Something. That is an EPIC pop song. From beginning to end, it’s pretty much wildly perfect.
I also think Baby Be Mine is great but other than I agree.
Daydream Nation is a band at the height of their creative powers. The songwriting and experimental balance was never before or after as strong. This take is probably why I only agree with this critic 50% of the time. No arguments with RIL and Disintegration though
I'm okay with his take of how it rates relative to their other albums, but it's placement in C Tier relative to the 80s in general, and specifically compared to the dross he places higher, is insane and culturally illiterate.
daydream nation was done so dirty here. fires on all cylinders and never stops until the end of the record. teen age riot, silver rocket, the sprawl, cross the breeze, total trash, candle and the trilogy are all timers and it all comes together to make the best album of the 80s
1999, Sign o the Times, and Dirty Mind are all from the 80s and better than Purple Rain.
Lovesexy is probably his greatest musical and lyrical statement and that only came out a few years after PR.
cmon… thriller at least an A
Agreed. He didn't like "Human Nature", "The Girl is Mine" and "Baby Be Mine". He claimed they were too "breezy". I get not liking the duet with Paul McCartney...but the other two??
definitely and got the hots the demo song definitely should have been on thriller instead of the cheesy the girl is mine, it's the best demo song MJ ever did
@@saintkevinofficialhuman nature and baby be mine are better than take me with you and darling nikki from purple rain period
I'm genuinely surprised there's no Pixies
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Doolittle is better than that Sonic Youth one for sure.
i literally looked through the entire list the other week to see where pixies ranked, surfer rosa was way high up on the ranking considering its the record every modern rock band try rip off, and doolittle i think was 13ish. for me theyd be 1st n 2nd respectively but ig i am biased lol. idk if ive ever heard fantano even mention pixies
@@willjoejack7469 That's nice to hear they got some love. Thanks for your research, sir!
@@SGC90-t5y absolutely!
WHERE IS THE BEATLES TIER LIST, FANTANA?
These albums are fantastic! Def not hating on the list. Personally, I would have added Pixies "Doolittle" and Metallica's "master of puppets"
that sonic youth placement may be one of your worst takes ever melon
I hate to push the comments # over 666! Favoring Goo over Daydream Nation is absurd, when tracks 4-10 are at best spotty ("Cinderella's Big Score"), jokey throwaways ("My Friend Goo"), filler (most of it) or completely embarrassing ("Kool Thing"). That leaves four good tracks, none of which surpass the best of Daydream. That album disappointed me the day it came out and hasn't stopped since. I'll take Dirty or Washing Machine over Goo.
Petition for Fantano to make a classic review for Disintegration.
Ooof swing and miss on Sonic Youth melonhead
Doolittle, The Queen Is Dead, Closer, and Power Corruption & Lies all being outside the Top 10 makes me feel like Pitchfork are second-guessing themselves. Like, they're worried people would think a publication with a historical bias towards indie rock would *obviously* pick those records, so they pushed them down the list.
"at least" they're consistent in ignoring realises outside of the Anglosphere
Don’t do Daydream Nation like that
Dinosaur jr name drop LET'S GO DINOSAUR JRHEADS !!!!!!
YESSS YOURE LIVING ALL OVER ME CLASSIC REVIEW WHEN
I guess pitchfork just acts like metal doesn’t exist I.e Master of Puppets literally arguably the album that launched an entire genre
Daydream Nation > Disintegration
i’m not sure i’ve ever disagreed with you more than i do with your Daydream Nation opinion…
Thriller has to be an A. It was groundbreaking and still is to this day.
It’s all down to personal enjoyment for fantano, not it’s impact or influence. He even did a classic review for the album because he recognises that it has classic status but that doesn’t mean he personally enjoys it the most.
@@Prodbyjah464 Yeah but the purpose of these rankings he does is a bit blurred. Like is he ranking how Pitchfork got it right or wrong or is he ranking how he enjoys the album. If it's the latter, makes sense but if it's the former, in my humble opinion, I think Pitchfork got it right to put it at #2.
@@seanhein6599 I mean not really, like I said the entire purpose is based off of personal enjoyment, not whether or not he thought pitchfork got it right. That can only be judged after he goes through the whole list. It really ain’t that hard to figure out that fantano rates things on how much he likes them, not some criteria that determines whether things are good or bad. Ik it seems that way cause he can explain why he likes and dislikes stuff but that’s the truth.
@@Prodbyjah464 For other decades he did mention about how Pitchfork got it right. I go try to dig them. For one on top of my head, it's Kid A on one of his lists about each year's top album of the 2000s by Pitchfork. So I thought it's also about how Pitchfork got it right. But maybe it's just a passive remark he made. I hear you though. I'm not disagreeing with you, it's his taste but also I thought there's that extra bit in these videos.
@@Prodbyjah464 Video I mentioned is titled "Pitchfork's AOTYs of the 2000s".
Not the biggest Sonic Youth fan but that DN take just oozes contrarianism, Sister is just more one tone and has less colorful compositions.
Paul Simon’s Graceland really deserves to be in the Top 10 Greatest Albums of the 80s...
"Hearts & Bones" is also great.
Agreed, one of my fav albums of all time
I got into Disintegration because of that Robert Smith South Park episode where Kyle shouts that Disintegration is greatest album ever. Thankful for that.
“I can’t let Barbara Streisand do this to the whole world….”
Daydream Nation is one of my top 10 favourite albums
After seeing The Cure this summer, transcendant is the perfect word. Robert Smith in his fucking 60s is schooling most vocal contempories in his form. Vintage form. I could go on about Disintegration for days. Lovesong could be the greatest love song ever, Plainsong the greatest opener ever, and Untitled a great closer as well. So many other songs like Pictures of You, Fascination Street, Lullaby, Prayers for Rain, and my goodness the title track. It's in my desert island albums for a reason. It's magnificent
How the hell was Tears for Fears' Songs from the Big Chair or Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. not even in the top 25?
Because the first sucks and the second is not snobbish enough for Pitchfork. Also it's not perfect (although surely is top 50 material)
Songs From the Big Chair is a fucking 10. Easily.
Both amazing but Big Chair is more a top 20 and I much prefer Nebraska to Born in the U.S.A.
@@pinthecool1 How the hell does Songs from the Big Chair suck? The songwriting and hits on there are not only emblematic of the period, but the album has a great share of badass variety in pop, prog, rock, and new wave. Id suggest a relisten, my guy. As for Bruce, I figured Born in the USA was rebellious and edgy enough to find a high spot on there, lol.
Songs from the big chair is just as much a clinic of a perfect album as Purple Rain, easily a masterpiece and timeless work of art
All the realest homies know that the best song on Thriller is "PYT"
Real
I want to do a Lets Argue: Janet Jackson has aged better and has more bangers than Michael Jackson but don't want a Twitter/X.
Very true. I don't think MJ has a better album than RON or TVR. Your are a man of taste.
@@marcosmartinez8088Off the Wall>>>>>>
Hard disagree, "Daydream Nation" is absolutely S tier
80s was amazing decade
i hate when anthony does that thing of trying not make the most obvious choices as a critic and he ends up favoring a band's second most critically acclaimed album
What album are you talking
Also he can't have an opinion?
@@PinkFlag06 yeah, bro. that's what i said. great reading comprehension.
@@sayammontesreyes2393 that is not wtf you said
10. Stevie Nicks - Belladonna
9. Prince - Purple Rain
8. The Cure - Disintegration
7. Duran Duran - Rio
6. Tears for Fears - Songs from the Big Chair
5. The Pretenders - Pretenders II
4. Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell
3. Metallica - Kill em all
2. Madonna - True Blue
1. Michael Jackson - Thriller
Madonna True blue deserves to be there
Daydream Nation in C? Welp, there goes that potential classic review :/
This entire list is a joke from 200 to 1. I absolutely love Nick Cave, but from Her to Eternity is not better than Ride the Lightning and Appetite for Destruction.
INXS's Kick is 70 places higher (as in worse) than R.E.M's Murmur? Give me an effin break.
Minor Threat is great but not the 23rd best album of the 80s. Both Fugazi records and the Bad Brains are better.
This is just clueless people throwing darts at a wall.
Justice for “the girl is mine”!!!
I hope you lose a lot of money to Activision after putting Daydream Nation in C
The cure disintegration is amazing one of my all time favs. Will check out purple rain/prince too btw!
"Will check out purple rain/prince too btw!" Oh sweet Jesus, do yourself a favour and *savour* that moment for all it's worth. I am so jealous of you for having the opportunity to listen to *Purple Rain*, in my opinion the best album ever made, for the first time. I hope it does for you even 10% of what it did for me. Happy listening!
@@edward8597i havent heard it yet but i like your enthusiasm about it so much that im gonna try and check it out tonight
Thriller at B tier is an absolute war crime actually insane
A small consolation for the crime of CSA he committed throughout his career I’d say.
Off the wall and thriller>> personally I prefer more cohesive and consistent records over greatest hit lists
The doggone rating is a criiime
@@harrypmaywho? Anthony fantano?
Daydream Nation in C is terrorism
Daydream Nation as a C is a crime against music
Sade and Goo over Daydream Nation. That do be whack mate.
You did a classic review for Thriller and put it in the B tier. You cant keep getting away with this.
we really let the most popular music critic on the internet be a guy with maybe the worst 80s/90s indie rock opinions ive ever seen
even if you do feel that way about daydream nation it deserves b tier at LEAST. putting it in C feels just. wrong.
S is for Sade
*Daydream Nation is put in C* I can feel my teenage self cringing in the past
EVOL better as an album experience than DAYDREAM NATION? Nah, bruh. 😤
Please do a cure discography ranking
I'm glad I've found someone that agrees that Bad is a better album experience than Thriller. Also i, too, think it works better as a compilation than as a studio album
exactly I just wish michael would have released more than 2 albums during the 80s like release new albums at a faster rate instead of 4 years even luther vandross and billy ocean released at least 5 albums a decade michael was too much of a perfectionist I guess
@@michaelsevilla3697I think it’s also to do with the backlash and critiques from the media post Thriller hype. Also with the fact he wanted Bad to be an even bigger album than Thriller could of influenced the long gap between albums.
I just wish he released more albums in general but like you said he was too much of a perfectionist.
Besides the Thriller take which I think B tier is a bad take, everything else was pretty agreeable imo
So, no Madonna on the top ten, I guess I will look past that, or I would but Janet Jackson's Control made it, so I'm-a-have-to call bull about Madonna not on it once, especially given her 80's output and what it means for the decade, at all points of it.
And also, Madonna's highest rank on this chart is 16 and its... her debut album?
Also Like A Prayer is on the list, as it should be, but 78? Again, just make a top 50 or 100 and make it unordered. OH wait, this is not about honest ideas on art, its about clickbait and making sure we list in virtue-signal ways.
PS - Jackson's Bad at 72.... like... for real? * Picard facepalm *
Insane that Discipline didn't make their top 200 list
It was on their old list
You know, not a half bad list at all. Love that Kate Bush is getting all the love she deserves.
While I think Purple Rain is a strong #1 choice, personally I think 1999 deserves that spot. What can I say? Better Prince album.
Hell no, but still an amazing album. Purple Rain is his peak tho.
1999 as a whole is a more exciting experience, but I get Purple Rain, it's Prince's most accessible record, just the right amount of pop for mainstream audiences and also with enough traces of avant-garde stylings (Computer Blue, Darlin' Nikki) for more adventurous types. I'm burnt out on the album after 38 years and personally rank 1999 and Sign above it, but PR by all means is THE Prince album for the average music listener
Please Anthony, REVIEW OTHER MICHAEL ALBUMS like *BAD* for example is more deserving for a classic review.
Rain Dogs not being in the top 10 is absurd
Did you remember MBDTF was your most booed opinion ever? Daydream has chances to top it...
Ranking Daydream Nation C tier is in unsubscribe territory jfc
DAYDREAM NATION IS THE GREATEST ROCK ALBUM OF ALL FUCKING TIME
Needs more Paul's Boutique, that list.
All the placements on the list made sense to me except “Control” which I would have put in the C row. Sorry to the Janet fans (I love her too) but Control isn’t that strong of an album all around. The hits are really what makes it. Rhythm Nation and Velvet Rope are the two albums where her talent really shines. The list should have included “Like A Prayer”, but Pitchfork seems to not appreciate Madonna or “Introducing The Hardline According To Terrence Trent D’arby” which are both far superior albums than “Control”