And honestly none of the 11 disciples were first - class devotees. Kirtanananda - a convicted rape accused and pedophiles, Rameshwar - a rape accused, TKG - 5 murder case, JPS - 3 murder case, land grabbing, cannabis scandal, Hansadutta - Drug addict, marijuana possession convicted, Bhavananda - child rape, homosexual relationships with children. So you can't say that they are first class devotees
1. “Mundane votes have no jurisdiction the elect a Vaisnava acharya. A Vaisnava acharya is self-effulgent, and there is no need of any court judgment.” (Cc. Madhya 1.220, Purport) 2. “A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.” (Conversation, Oct. 28, 1975, Nairobi)
Thankyou Prabhu for such an enlightning session. Such sessions will continue to guide generations about the truth of ISKCON and take inspiration from the struggle of ISKCON Bangalore 🙏
GBC: A spiritual master may sometimes fall down and become demoniac. Srila Prabhupada : “There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down…” - “The bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession since time immemorial.”
That has to be one of the stupidest ideas ever concocted. It's like saying the leader of your company or nation can sometimes embezzle money, rape women, and become a terrorist and it's okay.
@@ChaitanyaKrishnadasa shashrto me kitne sudhh bhkto ka fall down hua he kitne examples he bde bde shuddh bhkt ke hari bol no offense hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
@@Shraddha_desai OMG! So you're now saying pure devotees fall down!? Unfortunately same old hackneyed nonsense. Just to support your unauthorised self appointed bogus gurus you're bringing down the pure devotees in the parampara!
Srila Prabhupada's desire that he is the diksha guru for one and all has manifested through ISKCON Bangalore and the senior devotees of ISKCON Bangalore. This is definitely the will of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. We are blessed that this institution exists where one can openly worship Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master. Just imagine the plight of ISKCON!! It is a sin to call Srila Prabhupada as one’s diksha a guru and desire for a direct relationship with him!!
Loads of thanks to all pure disciples of HDG SP, who gone through so much struggles to protect the truth🙏 I am very fortunate to be in touch with the truth.
Hare Krishna PAMHO AGTSP 🙏- Some mind blowing revelations presented here! Thanks to all the great Devotees who have put this together to enlighten everyone with facts. All glories to His divine grace Srila Prabhupada and His innumerable sincere followers continuing His divine mission amidst all obstacles. Hare Krishna 🙇🏼♀️
“The spiritual master is always considered either one of the confidential associates of Radharani or a manifested representation of Sri Nityananda.” (Cc. Adi. 1.46, Purport)
Accept Prabhupada no one can become guru How its possible to advance in spirituality when someone rejects his guru as dead ? People around are really dumb to understand the truth Thank u for this video ❤🙏
Hare Krishna Prabhu Ji 🙏 Jaya Śrīla Prabhupada 🙏😊🎊😍🥰🎉 Proud to be with real Siksha Guru who show me a path to Srila Prabhupada and realised me his position in Iskcon. ISKCON originally registered with the name ISKCON,Inc. as a trade name but after the disappearance of Śrīla Prabhupada current GBC changed that name into ISKCON Only 😢. I am just a servant of Śrīla Prabhupada 🙏 only ❤🎉 and i am very proud of it 👍🏻😊🎊🥳
@@yogi8840 he wanted that his disciples will be diksha guru I have proof 🧾 latters and conversation also Plz kindly if you want than I'll fill in the comments
If someone doesn’t want Srila Prabhupada in their lives and wants to believe he is dead on gone, then for them that will be their reality. We all have free will. And for so many, we experience Srila Prabhupada’s love, kindness, guidance and care in our lives every day, year in, year out. He is more alive and active than any of these living gurus who are preaching that he is dead and gone. And when they are dead and gone and no one even remembers their names, Srila Prabhupada will still be inspiring and guiding devotees in their spiritual journey through his divya jnana just as he is doing now.
Thank you very much Prabhu... This discussion was very insightful.... It clarified many questions that I had since long... Srila Prabhupada is my Master.... Jai Srila Prabhupada ❤
Srila Prabhupada was, is and will Remain the sole Diksha Guru for his followers. The divine will of his divine grace will shelter us divinely. All credits to HG MPP for holding on to Srila Prabhupada’s will with great will. Jai Srila Prabhupada
@@jayanthbhaskar9067 He no longer is the disciple of that person. He was in the past. Now he is a disciple of Srila Prabhupad. He has given up the bogus Guru parampara system in Iskcon and adopted the real Iskcon which Prabhupad created..... The Iskcon of Ritviks. Wake up and see the truth! 🙏
@@jayanthbhaskar9067 Everyone in ISKCON is disciple of Srila Prabhupada alone! Some know it and some prefer to be cheated by so called opaque medium who try to block the mercy of Guru Parampara by placing themselves in the parampara without any qualification or authorization
‼️Ritvik I was ritvik but now i know the actual authentic knowledge that i found since 1 year now i m not following ritvik All glories to srila Prabhupada all glories to guru and gauranga 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
What is the actual authentic knowledge as given by Srila Prabhupada? Any one reference of Srila Prabhupada after July 9, 1977 directive which is differing from the July 9, 1977 directive!? There is none! So what authenticity do you speak of!?
His Grace Satya Gaur Chandra Prabhu ki Jay!! Amazing podcast with detail explanation of tattva and practical application! Prabhu explained so clearly with humour (want some cake on vyasa puja and throw some bananas 🤣) and at the same time very deep conversation which opened a new perspective on our bona fide authorities of IB group of temples as well as the perfect system! Jay Srila Prabhupada!!
And thousands of initiated Iskcon devotees never had a ‘living guru.’ They only had men pretending to be gurus who later walked away from Iskcon and their guru. But Srila Prabhupada was there before the pretend guru, and he is here after they are gone. It’s always been Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna thank you for discussion, we should discuss according to sastra , not that he said like this,xyz said like that,tasmat sastra pramanate karya karya bybasthitou।
Our eternal Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada's words are also the essence of all shastras. Guru Mukha Padma vakya cittete koriya aikya! We should make Srila Prabhupada's words our life and soul. We are following this principle at Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON which started from Bangalore and is now expanding. Srila Prabhupada's institutional directive for the initiations in ISKCON.
@@Shraddha_desai doesn't matter what you think Srila Prabhupada authorised the system himself and signed the institutional directive setting up the system of initiation through ritvik-representative of Acharya. Please first get full knowledge about this and then comment.
This confusion will create doubts about our ISKCON in whole society. HH Srila Prabhupada must clarify this ritwik issue to both parties by coming in their dreams at least, he is jagadguru. Otherwise many souls will go away from this mission due to this confusion
Srila Prabhupada clearly gave the entire institution a signed institutional directive on July 9, 1977, on how to conduct the initiations after his physical departure. There is no need for any dream to be confirmed, and dreams cannot decide the running of a global institution. The over-ambitious deviant so-called leaders of the current ISKCON have unauthorizedly usurped Srila Prabhupada's position. Still, Prabhupada has kindly empowered his sincere disciples to restore His original position in His institution, as we are doing in ISKCON Bangalore and our group by the mercy of His Divine Grace.
Hare Krishna Pranam Atleast Annamrita does not have to be engaged in the unnecessary burden of midday meals plus the joke named Giving Every Dream a Chance, so that a girl can be helped to shake her body by becoming an actress and a boy can be helped to cook delicious meat by becoming a chef.
😂 "Annamrita Foundation is a NGO with an aim to provide the MID DAY MEALS to school children with funds from government and individual donations." - from Annamrita website One who is into telling lies should not reveal their Stupidity to the whole world by commenting Outright lies.
😂 "Annamrita Foundation is a NGO with an aim to provide the MID DAY MEALS to school children with funds from government and individual donations." - from Annamrita website
Yes! Now i can also take diksha from Srila Rupa Gosvami as well ... Jai Ho Ritviksm ki! they have opened the real door to Krishna Consciousness now why stop at just Srila Prabhupada! Hari Hari!
First of all there's nothing called ritvikism. Srila Prabhupada set up the system of continuing to initiate using his representatives through his institutional directive on July 9,1977 through which anyone fulfilling the criteria for diksha can get initiated by him through this method. Srila Rupa Goswami and all the acharyas in parampara bless you if you take diksha following this order of Prabhupada who is the current link. On the contrary when you attempt to take diksha from one of those self appointed or voted in gurus in the current ISKCON you're getting blocked from accessing the transparent via media of parampara of spiritual masters for you're connecting with a broken link which is not connected to it's source in the disciplic succession, as they've not been authorised by their predecessor spiritual master Srila Prabhupada.
@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 can i ask a question to Srila Prabhupada, and will he type out like you did or send me a letter on my personal queries? And, Srila Prabhupada has not authorised his own disciples, some who he personally trained, but he has authorised you all ... what potency of Srila Prabhupada! Wonderful!
@@PrakashKhanchandani dear sir, by the same way, how do you get answer from the Supreme personality of godhead Krishna when you pray? Srila Prabhupada does answer our questions mystically. Prabhupada many times said read my books and all the questions will be answered! By the way, if there's an order by Prabhupada to anyone to make disciples of their own, please show it. Srila Prabhupada has authorised a system of initiation through his institutional representatives and he'll continue to remain Diksha Guru and all disciples in ISKCON will be his. We are as much Srila Prabhupada's own disciples as anyone else, but unfortunately those so called 'own disciples' have disobeyed him and usurped his position. Srila Prabhupada has kindly blessed and guided us to accept only him as the sole diksha guru of ISKCON.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 Thank you, so Krishna is already there as Paramatma why do you need Srila Prabhupada to also answer mystically? Guru manifests because we are conditioned and cannot hear the voice of Paramatma or previous acharyas ... and moreover Srila Prabhupada "Mystically" ordered me to read his books and follow shastra where he advocates in not just one one line of a letter (which is interpreted) but hundreds of pages to accept a living guru and not just a deity/or book ... the parampara continues ... Sri Krishna is way more capable to be guru of everyone but still he again establishes the Parampara system in Bhagavad-gita, why would he then want to stop at Srila Prabhupada? Does he say to Arjuna - "Let me start the parampara this time and let my senapati Srila Prabhupada be the one to stop it again, let me glorify him by letting him be the last one ... let him instruct like Paramatma when he becomes unmanifest ... let me falsify CC Madhya 22.47". And i am really amazed whether you all are really glorifying Srila Prabhupada's potency or are making him impotent that he couldn't even make one disciple capable of becoming a Guru even after personally training them. Hare Krishna!
@@PrakashKhanchandani So can anyone in current ISKCON say unequivocally that Srila Prabhupada ordered him/her to become Guru after His physical departure and make own disciples? NO! The GBC issued a profound apology in this effect for cheating the devotees by misleading them in this regard. There is no specific instruction from Srila Prabhupada ordering anyone in ISKCON to initiate and make their own disciples, after the July 9, 1977 institutional directive! On such an important issue of a successor in parampara, Srila Prabhupada wouldn't give a vague and generic instruction in some lecture or conversation. On the contrary, Srila Prabhupada gave an institutional directive on July 9, 1977 addressed to all the Temple Presidents and the GBCs about the system of initiation in ISKCON henceforward, and how all the disciples that are initiated through the process of representatives would be His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada's disciples. He never issued any other such institutional order thereafter telling that after his physical disappearance others can take that position and make their own disciples. That is why when the GBC misunderstood this and declared the 11 supposed to be representatives as the future Spiritual Masters instead, fall downs and disgraces happened and GBC finally issued an official apology! In fact, the current GBC stand is not to even recommend or authorize anyone to become Guru. They say you accept Guru at your own risk! If he falls down, then take shelter of other Guru, and then even that Guru falls down! So then, they say take shelter of Srila Prabhupada! How silly! On the contrary it is rather simple to simple follow Srila Prabhupada's direct institutional directive of July 9, 1977 and accept His Divine Grace as the only Spiritual Master who will NEVER EVER FALL DOWN! If you wish to continue to think that there is some other physically present Guru required but who has no authority nor capacity or permission to actually guide you in your sadhana or seva, and it is actually being done by the institution it is a farce! Physically present Master doesn't make the parampara! Spiritual Master does! Even during Srila Prabhupada's physically manifest presence only few 10s or 100 devotees got his personal physical association, nonetheless all 10,000 disciples initiated by Srila Prabhupada at that time were His disciples only and they did receive guidance from Him! How!? Do you assume 10,000 disciples all wrote letters to him and got a response!? For your information, there are only 6434 letters Srila Prabhupada wrote, available in Vedabse. Then how do you suppose all the 10,000 disciples received His guidance and answers to their questions!? It was through the institution Srila Prabhupada created, through which He continues to act, and the same way He acts even now! Unfortunately, your sentimental attachment to physically present imperfect souls makes you accept them as Spiritual masters and consequently get cheated. That is why Srila Prabhupada says cheaters will come because people want to be cheated! If you wish to be cheated, what can be done! We are grateful to Srila Prabhupada for saving us from getting cheated by these so called Gurus who have usurped Srila Prabhupada's position in his own ISKCON! We are happy to receive Srila Prabhupada's direct guidance and are feeling our advancement in Krishna Consciousness individually and as a movement!
There is only confusion on the other side and speculations, experiments, changes, and apologies and continuous aparadha! Go read their GBC resolutions! They have made a laughing stock of ISKCON! @Shraddha_desai, here is the simple logic of evidence. Please understand. Levels of Authority for understanding Srila Prabhupada's statements: 1. Books 2. Legal documents and similar papers 3. Lectures 4. Letters 5. Conversations July 9, 1977, an institutional directive mentions the initiation system through a representative of Acharya. It is sent to all the GBCs and the Temple president, signed and authorized by Srila Prabhupada! To compare that with general philosophical lectures or an unclear conversation, is futile! In fact, please produce any evidence from Srila Prabhupad after July 9, 1977 in which Srila Prabhupada has mentioned any other system of initiation other than the ritvik-representative of acharya system! There is none! Unfortunately, sentimental understanding leads to accepting illogical things by which the masses in ISKCON are cheated by these cheaters!
Hg Satya Gaur Prabhu makes it so interesting before mentioning a important point of Hg Mpp. click this time stamp 7:25 "The Direct relation between all of us and Prabhupad can never be removed"
@folklife does the podcasters even know what is Guruvastakam. It is simple why Srila vishvanath chakravarthy thakur kept it as Guruvastakam it implies to Both Srila Prabhupada and any Guru you are aspiring or initiated from. Literally these devotees are focusing on unwanted things rather than focusing on their bhakti.
So do you mean to say that the so called unauthorised and self appointed or voted in gurus of the current ISKCON are to be equated with pure devotee acharyas in the parampara!? The so called ISKCON GBC itself doesn't accept this! How do you think that they're sakshad Hari!!!!??? Laughable.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 focus on your sadhana first. Then you can comment on others. Always quoting this and that. You devotees always focusing on commenting on others, in fact if you are really following Srila Prabhupada then did srila Prabhupada told you to pin pointing others do you sadhana correctly. If anything they are doing wrong krishna is there to take care. We can't even compare to the level of dedication srila Prabhupada disciples are doing. If you are truly a Gaudiya vaisnava then follow Sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu, not pin pointing others, they are not pure devotees, so are you a pure devotees. Question yourself. The way you are communicating is really not a vaisnava way. Try to rectify that.
@@Student-v2h great advice student.😃 I've commented only on those who are commenting and criticizing upon the proper system which we are following as per Srila Prabhupada's institutional directive. Otherwise we aren't interested in criticizing others unnecessarily.
@@Student-v2h Who are you to talk like this with any of the prabhu of hare krishna movement. See this is what it is. Follow only Srila prabhupada!! Your life will be blissful 🤍 He is the only dikshaguru for us.
Be aware with ritvik otherwise you wil do only and only apradh unto Lotus feets of shrila Prabhupāda ❤️ by being side with ritvik trust me i was also following but now I'm safe 🙇🏻♀️😭
Aparadha aparadha! Already they have done Guror avajna aparadha to Srila Prabhupada and by siding with them you are further bringing that burden upon your head! Beware beware of this aparadha!
‼️this channel is following ritvik philosophy They are doing apradh to Shrila Prabhupāda please understand other side than you will definitely get all the answers of your doubt
Those who are going against Srila Prabhupada's directive and depending on mental speculations and sentiments are doing aparadha to Srila Prabhupada! Sad that you too are one among them
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104nyi Prabhuji mere Guru Maharaj ko koi puja labh pratishtha ni chahiye unko Prabhupāda ka mission hi he sb you should not talk this about gurudev kindly Plz don't or agr apko unko glt krna he to ek bar himmat kro or senior iskcon devotee ke sath esa hi clear cut talk rakho chlo than bolo Guru Maharaj ke barreee meee hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻 no offense
@@Shraddha_desai Clear cut talk hi tho kiya! Mental speculation ke alawa un ke paas koi logic hi nahi hai! If your so called Guru Maharaj doesn't want Puja Labh Pratishta, then why does he need to give initiation and accept guru puja, vyasa puja, guru dakshina and not be just ritvik-representative which is what Srila Prabhupada only authorized! Does your Guru maharaj have a direct order from Srila Prabhupada, and that too specifically after July 9, 1977 directive to become Guru and initiate anyone and accept disciples for himself!? If there is, let him show it.
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“There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down…” (Cc. Madhya 22.71, Purport)
And honestly none of the 11 disciples were first - class devotees. Kirtanananda - a convicted rape accused and pedophiles, Rameshwar - a rape accused, TKG - 5 murder case, JPS - 3 murder case, land grabbing, cannabis scandal, Hansadutta - Drug addict, marijuana possession convicted, Bhavananda - child rape, homosexual relationships with children.
So you can't say that they are first class devotees
@@milanchaitanyadasa8399
At least Harikesa was nice, his disciples distributed millions of Srila Prabhupada's books.🎉
They distributed by who's mercy??😅 And we are not talking about there seva here is talk about prabhupadas position@@geroldbendix1651
@@geroldbendix1651i miss him very very much. daily ....
@@geroldbendix1651 yes and unfortunately those disciples got disillusioned and left ISKCON when he ran away with his female massage therapist as well!
Its the highest blessing that we are under the shelter of real guru.
Jai Srila Prabhpada❤
1. “Mundane votes have no jurisdiction the elect a Vaisnava acharya. A Vaisnava acharya is self-effulgent, and there is no need of any court judgment.” (Cc. Madhya 1.220, Purport)
2. “A guru can become guru when he is ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.” (Conversation, Oct. 28, 1975, Nairobi)
@@ChaitanyaKrishnadasa hari bol iske niche bhi important conversation thi vo line me comment me fill kr deti hu one min 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
@@Shraddha_desai show me which is that line. And is there anything after July 9,1977?
Thankyou Prabhu for such an enlightning session. Such sessions will continue to guide generations about the truth of ISKCON and take inspiration from the struggle of ISKCON Bangalore 🙏
GBC: A spiritual master may sometimes fall down and become demoniac.
Srila Prabhupada : “There is no possibility that a first-class devotee will fall down…” - “The bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession since time immemorial.”
That has to be one of the stupidest ideas ever concocted. It's like saying the leader of your company or nation can sometimes embezzle money, rape women, and become a terrorist and it's okay.
Prabhuji hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻 i was ritvik but I'm not now ap kuchh evidence denge ki ritvik shi he???
@@ChaitanyaKrishnadasa shashrto me kitne sudhh bhkto ka fall down hua he kitne examples he bde bde shuddh bhkt ke hari bol no offense hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
@@Shraddha_desai OMG! So you're now saying pure devotees fall down!? Unfortunately same old hackneyed nonsense. Just to support your unauthorised self appointed bogus gurus you're bringing down the pure devotees in the parampara!
@@Shraddha_desai July 9,1977 institutional directive which is the final order
Srila Prabhupada's desire that he is the diksha guru for one and all has manifested through ISKCON Bangalore and the senior devotees of ISKCON Bangalore. This is definitely the will of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. We are blessed that this institution exists where one can openly worship Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master. Just imagine the plight of ISKCON!! It is a sin to call Srila Prabhupada as one’s diksha a guru and desire for a direct relationship with him!!
Loads of thanks to all pure disciples of HDG SP, who gone through so much struggles to protect the truth🙏 I am very fortunate to be in touch with the truth.
Hare Krishna PAMHO AGTSP 🙏- Some mind blowing revelations presented here! Thanks to all the great Devotees who have put this together to enlighten everyone with facts. All glories to His divine grace Srila Prabhupada and His innumerable sincere followers continuing His divine mission amidst all obstacles. Hare Krishna 🙇🏼♀️
“The spiritual master is always considered either one of the confidential associates of Radharani or a manifested representation of Sri Nityananda.” (Cc. Adi. 1.46, Purport)
Nailed conversation... All glories to Srila Prabhupad.Hari Bol, 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Accept Prabhupada no one can become guru
How its possible to advance in spirituality when someone rejects his guru as dead ?
People around are really dumb to understand the truth
Thank u for this video ❤🙏
Hare Krishna Prabhu Ji 🙏
Jaya Śrīla Prabhupada 🙏😊🎊😍🥰🎉
Proud to be with real Siksha Guru who show me a path to Srila Prabhupada and realised me his position in Iskcon. ISKCON originally registered with the name ISKCON,Inc. as a trade name but after the disappearance of Śrīla Prabhupada current GBC changed that name into ISKCON Only 😢.
I am just a servant of Śrīla Prabhupada 🙏 only ❤🎉 and i am very proud of it 👍🏻😊🎊🥳
Sri Krishna Chaitanya Prabhu nityananda Sri adwait gadadhar srivas adi Gaur Bhakta vrinda🙏🙏❤ Jai srila Prabhupada ji ❤🙏
Srila Prabhupada is The Diksha Guru of ISKCON for 10,000 years and beyond.
@@yogi8840 he wanted that his disciples will be diksha guru
I have proof 🧾 latters and conversation also Plz kindly if you want than I'll fill in the comments
@@Shraddha_desai Please produce any one letter and conversation after July 9, 1977 then!
Satya gaura prabhu ki Jai
If someone doesn’t want Srila Prabhupada in their lives and wants to believe he is dead on gone, then for them that will be their reality. We all have free will.
And for so many, we experience Srila Prabhupada’s love, kindness, guidance and care in our lives every day, year in, year out. He is more alive and active than any of these living gurus who are preaching that he is dead and gone.
And when they are dead and gone and no one even remembers their names, Srila Prabhupada will still be inspiring and guiding devotees in their spiritual journey through his divya jnana just as he is doing now.
Thank you very much Prabhu... This discussion was very insightful.... It clarified many questions that I had since long... Srila Prabhupada is my Master.... Jai Srila Prabhupada ❤
Srila Prabhupada was, is and will Remain the sole Diksha Guru for his followers. The divine will of his divine grace will shelter us divinely.
All credits to HG MPP for holding on to Srila Prabhupada’s will with great will.
Jai Srila Prabhupada
Hari Bol!!!! 🙏
Whos disciple is HG MPP do you know @@Jai_GaurNitai_Jai_RadhaKrishna
@@jayanthbhaskar9067 He no longer is the disciple of that person. He was in the past. Now he is a disciple of Srila Prabhupad. He has given up the bogus Guru parampara system in Iskcon and adopted the real Iskcon which Prabhupad created..... The Iskcon of Ritviks. Wake up and see the truth! 🙏
@@jayanthbhaskar9067 Everyone in ISKCON is disciple of Srila Prabhupada alone! Some know it and some prefer to be cheated by so called opaque medium who try to block the mercy of Guru Parampara by placing themselves in the parampara without any qualification or authorization
‼️Ritvik
I was ritvik but now i know the actual authentic knowledge that i found since 1 year now i m not following ritvik
All glories to srila Prabhupada all glories to guru and gauranga 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
What is the actual authentic knowledge as given by Srila Prabhupada? Any one reference of Srila Prabhupada after July 9, 1977 directive which is differing from the July 9, 1977 directive!? There is none! So what authenticity do you speak of!?
All the best, if you want to be cheated, you will be, I don't want to. Hare Krishna!
जन्मे जन्मे प्रभु सेई
Birth After birth he is my Guru.
That is for srila Prabhupada.
He is original acharya (diksha guru) of all iskcon devotees.
His Grace Satya Gaur Chandra Prabhu ki Jay!! Amazing podcast with detail explanation of tattva and practical application! Prabhu explained so clearly with humour (want some cake on vyasa puja and throw some bananas 🤣) and at the same time very deep conversation which opened a new perspective on our bona fide authorities of IB group of temples as well as the perfect system! Jay Srila Prabhupada!!
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Amazing discussion. Superb.
Jai Srila Prabhupāda 👏👏
jay prabhupada
Hare Krishna prabhuji
Jai Srila Prabhupada 🙏🏻
Hare Krishna! Jai Srila Prabhupada ❤❤
Questioning is "APARADHA"
And thousands of initiated Iskcon devotees never had a ‘living guru.’ They only had men pretending to be gurus who later walked away from Iskcon and their guru.
But Srila Prabhupada was there before the pretend guru, and he is here after they are gone. It’s always been Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna thank you for discussion, we should discuss according to sastra , not that he said like this,xyz said like that,tasmat sastra pramanate karya karya bybasthitou।
Our eternal Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada's words are also the essence of all shastras. Guru Mukha Padma vakya cittete koriya aikya! We should make Srila Prabhupada's words our life and soul. We are following this principle at Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON which started from Bangalore and is now expanding. Srila Prabhupada's institutional directive for the initiations in ISKCON.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104no prabhuji 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻 i don't think ki ritvik shi he wo to Prabhupādaji ke chrno me apradh he
@@Shraddha_desai doesn't matter what you think
Srila Prabhupada authorised the system himself and signed the institutional directive setting up the system of initiation through ritvik-representative of Acharya.
Please first get full knowledge about this and then comment.
Hare krishna prabhu ji ❤❤🪷🙏His divine grace Jagatguru Shirila shirimad A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Shiril Prabhupad ki Jay🪷🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌💞🙏 sampurn Vishva me Vaidik Gyan ke advitiya pracharak Antrashtriy Krishna Bhavna Amrit Sangh (iskcon-BBT) ke founder Aacharya 🪷🙏His divine grace Jagatguru Shirila shirimad A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Shiril Prabhupad ki Jay🪷🙏
Hare Krishna Prabhu
I think there is an audio gap between 39.30 to 39.40.
If I am wrong please correct me.
Ys
Sorry it is 39.28
Harekrishna dandavat pranam Prabhu l like to discuss about present guru in our parampara can I please
Court ka judgement kab tak ayega?
This confusion will create doubts about our ISKCON in whole society. HH Srila Prabhupada must clarify this ritwik issue to both parties by coming in their dreams at least, he is jagadguru. Otherwise many souls will go away from this mission due to this confusion
Srila Prabhupada clearly gave the entire institution a signed institutional directive on July 9, 1977, on how to conduct the initiations after his physical departure. There is no need for any dream to be confirmed, and dreams cannot decide the running of a global institution.
The over-ambitious deviant so-called leaders of the current ISKCON have unauthorizedly usurped Srila Prabhupada's position. Still, Prabhupada has kindly empowered his sincere disciples to restore His original position in His institution, as we are doing in ISKCON Bangalore and our group by the mercy of His Divine Grace.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104no prabhuji 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
Ritvik philosophy is wrong
@@Shraddha_desai you mean system set up by Srila Prabhupada is wrong!?
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 it's not set up by Shrila Prabhupāda 🙇🏻♀️
Hare krishna guruji
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'Annamrita' is a copy of Akshayapatra, however not as famous or heard of
Hare Krishna
Pranam
Atleast Annamrita does not have to be engaged in the unnecessary burden of midday meals plus the joke named Giving Every Dream a Chance, so that a girl can be helped to shake her body by becoming an actress and a boy can be helped to cook delicious meat by becoming a chef.
@@aditshukla ruclips.net/video/ECnVJrUsV0Y/видео.html What devotional song is this, Prabhu?
😂 "Annamrita Foundation is a NGO with an aim to provide the MID DAY MEALS to school children with funds from government and individual donations." - from Annamrita website
One who is into telling lies should not reveal their Stupidity to the whole world by commenting Outright lies.
😂 "Annamrita Foundation is a NGO with an aim to provide the MID DAY MEALS to school children with funds from government and individual donations." - from Annamrita website
Yes! Now i can also take diksha from Srila Rupa Gosvami as well ... Jai Ho Ritviksm ki! they have opened the real door to Krishna Consciousness now why stop at just Srila Prabhupada! Hari Hari!
First of all there's nothing called ritvikism. Srila Prabhupada set up the system of continuing to initiate using his representatives through his institutional directive on July 9,1977 through which anyone fulfilling the criteria for diksha can get initiated by him through this method.
Srila Rupa Goswami and all the acharyas in parampara bless you if you take diksha following this order of Prabhupada who is the current link.
On the contrary when you attempt to take diksha from one of those self appointed or voted in gurus in the current ISKCON you're getting blocked from accessing the transparent via media of parampara of spiritual masters for you're connecting with a broken link which is not connected to it's source in the disciplic succession, as they've not been authorised by their predecessor spiritual master Srila Prabhupada.
@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 can i ask a question to Srila Prabhupada, and will he type out like you did or send me a letter on my personal queries?
And, Srila Prabhupada has not authorised his own disciples, some who he personally trained, but he has authorised you all ... what potency of Srila Prabhupada! Wonderful!
@@PrakashKhanchandani dear sir, by the same way, how do you get answer from the Supreme personality of godhead Krishna when you pray? Srila Prabhupada does answer our questions mystically. Prabhupada many times said read my books and all the questions will be answered!
By the way, if there's an order by Prabhupada to anyone to make disciples of their own, please show it.
Srila Prabhupada has authorised a system of initiation through his institutional representatives and he'll continue to remain Diksha Guru and all disciples in ISKCON will be his. We are as much Srila Prabhupada's own disciples as anyone else, but unfortunately those so called 'own disciples' have disobeyed him and usurped his position. Srila Prabhupada has kindly blessed and guided us to accept only him as the sole diksha guru of ISKCON.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 Thank you, so Krishna is already there as Paramatma why do you need Srila Prabhupada to also answer mystically? Guru manifests because we are conditioned and cannot hear the voice of Paramatma or previous acharyas ... and moreover Srila Prabhupada "Mystically" ordered me to read his books and follow shastra where he advocates in not just one one line of a letter (which is interpreted) but hundreds of pages to accept a living guru and not just a deity/or book ... the parampara continues ... Sri Krishna is way more capable to be guru of everyone but still he again establishes the Parampara system in Bhagavad-gita, why would he then want to stop at Srila Prabhupada? Does he say to Arjuna - "Let me start the parampara this time and let my senapati Srila Prabhupada be the one to stop it again, let me glorify him by letting him be the last one ... let him instruct like Paramatma when he becomes unmanifest ... let me falsify CC Madhya 22.47". And i am really amazed whether you all are really glorifying Srila Prabhupada's potency or are making him impotent that he couldn't even make one disciple capable of becoming a Guru even after personally training them.
Hare Krishna!
@@PrakashKhanchandani So can anyone in current ISKCON say unequivocally that Srila Prabhupada ordered him/her to become Guru after His physical departure and make own disciples? NO! The GBC issued a profound apology in this effect for cheating the devotees by misleading them in this regard. There is no specific instruction from Srila Prabhupada ordering anyone in ISKCON to initiate and make their own disciples, after the July 9, 1977 institutional directive! On such an important issue of a successor in parampara, Srila Prabhupada wouldn't give a vague and generic instruction in some lecture or conversation.
On the contrary, Srila Prabhupada gave an institutional directive on July 9, 1977 addressed to all the Temple Presidents and the GBCs about the system of initiation in ISKCON henceforward, and how all the disciples that are initiated through the process of representatives would be His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada's disciples. He never issued any other such institutional order thereafter telling that after his physical disappearance others can take that position and make their own disciples.
That is why when the GBC misunderstood this and declared the 11 supposed to be representatives as the future Spiritual Masters instead, fall downs and disgraces happened and GBC finally issued an official apology!
In fact, the current GBC stand is not to even recommend or authorize anyone to become Guru. They say you accept Guru at your own risk! If he falls down, then take shelter of other Guru, and then even that Guru falls down! So then, they say take shelter of Srila Prabhupada! How silly!
On the contrary it is rather simple to simple follow Srila Prabhupada's direct institutional directive of July 9, 1977 and accept His Divine Grace as the only Spiritual Master who will NEVER EVER FALL DOWN!
If you wish to continue to think that there is some other physically present Guru required but who has no authority nor capacity or permission to actually guide you in your sadhana or seva, and it is actually being done by the institution it is a farce! Physically present Master doesn't make the parampara! Spiritual Master does! Even during Srila Prabhupada's physically manifest presence only few 10s or 100 devotees got his personal physical association, nonetheless all 10,000 disciples initiated by Srila Prabhupada at that time were His disciples only and they did receive guidance from Him! How!? Do you assume 10,000 disciples all wrote letters to him and got a response!? For your information, there are only 6434 letters Srila Prabhupada wrote, available in Vedabse. Then how do you suppose all the 10,000 disciples received His guidance and answers to their questions!? It was through the institution Srila Prabhupada created, through which He continues to act, and the same way He acts even now!
Unfortunately, your sentimental attachment to physically present imperfect souls makes you accept them as Spiritual masters and consequently get cheated.
That is why Srila Prabhupada says cheaters will come because people want to be cheated!
If you wish to be cheated, what can be done! We are grateful to Srila Prabhupada for saving us from getting cheated by these so called Gurus who have usurped Srila Prabhupada's position in his own ISKCON!
We are happy to receive Srila Prabhupada's direct guidance and are feeling our advancement in Krishna Consciousness individually and as a movement!
Q) Who's in janme janme Prabhu sei?
Srila Prabhupada!
‼️ ritvik
I was following ritvik
Please clarify the other side view also than follow
Go and listen to their views also
There is only confusion on the other side and speculations, experiments, changes, and apologies and continuous aparadha! Go read their GBC resolutions! They have made a laughing stock of ISKCON!
@Shraddha_desai, here is the simple logic of evidence. Please understand.
Levels of Authority for understanding Srila Prabhupada's statements:
1. Books
2. Legal documents and similar papers
3. Lectures
4. Letters
5. Conversations
July 9, 1977, an institutional directive mentions the initiation system through a representative of Acharya. It is sent to all the GBCs and the Temple president, signed and authorized by Srila Prabhupada!
To compare that with general philosophical lectures or an unclear conversation, is futile!
In fact, please produce any evidence from Srila Prabhupad after July 9, 1977 in which Srila Prabhupada has mentioned any other system of initiation other than the ritvik-representative of acharya system!
There is none!
Unfortunately, sentimental understanding leads to accepting illogical things by which the masses in ISKCON are cheated by these cheaters!
1:04:59 savage
Hg Satya Gaur Prabhu makes it so interesting before mentioning a important point of Hg Mpp.
click this time stamp 7:25
"The Direct relation between all of us and Prabhupad can never be removed"
Q) Whom are we glorifying in samsara davanala, no clarity
We are glorifying Srila Prabhupada! what clarification is required!?
What is Prabhupada's desire? No one is interested to study that
Srila Prabhupada's sincere disciples in Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON are interested
@folklife does the podcasters even know what is Guruvastakam. It is simple why Srila vishvanath chakravarthy thakur kept it as Guruvastakam it implies to Both Srila Prabhupada and any Guru you are aspiring or initiated from. Literally these devotees are focusing on unwanted things rather than focusing on their bhakti.
So do you mean to say that the so called unauthorised and self appointed or voted in gurus of the current ISKCON are to be equated with pure devotee acharyas in the parampara!?
The so called ISKCON GBC itself doesn't accept this!
How do you think that they're sakshad Hari!!!!??? Laughable.
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 focus on your sadhana first. Then you can comment on others. Always quoting this and that. You devotees always focusing on commenting on others, in fact if you are really following Srila Prabhupada then did srila Prabhupada told you to pin pointing others do you sadhana correctly. If anything they are doing wrong krishna is there to take care. We can't even compare to the level of dedication srila Prabhupada disciples are doing. If you are truly a Gaudiya vaisnava then follow Sri Chaitanya mahaprabhu, not pin pointing others, they are not pure devotees, so are you a pure devotees. Question yourself. The way you are communicating is really not a vaisnava way. Try to rectify that.
@@Student-v2h great advice student.😃 I've commented only on those who are commenting and criticizing upon the proper system which we are following as per Srila Prabhupada's institutional directive. Otherwise we aren't interested in criticizing others unnecessarily.
@@Student-v2h Who are you to talk like this with any of the prabhu of hare krishna movement. See this is what it is. Follow only Srila prabhupada!! Your life will be blissful 🤍
He is the only dikshaguru for us.
Bangalore guru ....beep 😂😂😂😂 it's jayapataka Swami ......one can read his lips
Be aware with ritvik otherwise you wil do only and only apradh unto Lotus feets of shrila Prabhupāda ❤️ by being side with ritvik trust me i was also following but now I'm safe 🙇🏻♀️😭
Aparadha aparadha! Already they have done Guror avajna aparadha to Srila Prabhupada and by siding with them you are further bringing that burden upon your head! Beware beware of this aparadha!
‼️this channel is following ritvik philosophy
They are doing apradh to Shrila Prabhupāda please understand other side than you will definitely get all the answers of your doubt
Those who are going against Srila Prabhupada's directive and depending on mental speculations and sentiments are doing aparadha to Srila Prabhupada! Sad that you too are one among them
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104 no I'm not among them Prabhuji no offense hari bol hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻
@@Shraddha_desai you have no evidence yet you're going on making general statements so it's obvious
@@Shraddha_desaiyou're unfortunate misled sentimental devotee
All paise ka khel hai..
Khel sirf paise ka nahi but Puja labh Pratishta lene ke uddesh se hain, jis karan bina Srila Prabhupada ke authorization ke kuch log Guru ban gaye hai
@@mahotsahachaitanyadas1104nyi Prabhuji mere Guru Maharaj ko koi puja labh pratishtha ni chahiye unko Prabhupāda ka mission hi he sb you should not talk this about gurudev kindly Plz don't or agr apko unko glt krna he to ek bar himmat kro or senior iskcon devotee ke sath esa hi clear cut talk rakho chlo than bolo Guru Maharaj ke barreee meee hare Krishna danvat pranam 🙇🏻♀️🙏🏻 no offense
@@Shraddha_desai Clear cut talk hi tho kiya! Mental speculation ke alawa un ke paas koi logic hi nahi hai! If your so called Guru Maharaj doesn't want Puja Labh Pratishta, then why does he need to give initiation and accept guru puja, vyasa puja, guru dakshina and not be just ritvik-representative which is what Srila Prabhupada only authorized! Does your Guru maharaj have a direct order from Srila Prabhupada, and that too specifically after July 9, 1977 directive to become Guru and initiate anyone and accept disciples for himself!?
If there is, let him show it.
Nakli sanstha Bangalore😂
ruclips.net/video/ECnVJrUsV0Y/видео.html What devotional song is this, Prabhu?
Who do you represent? Kali Purusha?
Would have not got cake 🎂, so taking out the frustration here 😂
@@gaganp8851 😂 exactly
Can you please clarify, what are the "nakli" things in ISKCON Bangalore?
Pls list one by one what is nakli here?