Can you Fight in a Corset? (I Tried It)
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2021
- If you have aspirations to throw down like Enola Holmes, can you do it in a corset? Let’s find out.
We are going to take a plastic boned corset and a steel boned corset and try to replicate the moves of the Enola Holmes fight, albeit without a fight partner because of that whole lockdown thing.
Music:
Sonatina No 2 in F Major Allegro (Joel Cummins)
Allégro (Emmit Fenn)
No 9 Esther’s Waltz (Esther Abrami) 
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People saying corsets are killing them 😢
Lady who climbed a mountain in a corset 😆
See also: Isabella Lucy Bird. (No really, look her up. A strong contender for "the most interesting woman in the world.")
Well noted. Yes ladies can climb in corsets. Lucy Walker was a famous 19th Century mountain climber. Oh and she also wore full set of long shirts and big hat to do it.
I feel really bad for those people, they’ll never know what it’s like to wear a properly fitting corset.
I wear a proper, made to fit corset for back support. I have a rare spine weakness that already once almost paralyzed me. Corset has only one down side, the weakening of core muscles, because it is that good of a support. So I do not use mine unless I have to travel long distances or do something especially stressing for the spine - like moving or lifting stuff. I love the way it makes me feel though. I can go in the corset for like 22h strait without any problems all though going into toilet can be a bit of an issue - depending on how down reaching your corset version is - as usually one does wear the panties under it. Other than that corset is not a torture device - but if you put someone inside a corset for longer than 20-30 minutes on the first time and do not allow a proper time of adjusting to it through out several days. In old day girls started with training corsets - they would not wear them entire days from the start. And if you do not have the corset made on the body of the person who will be wearing it - they that too will be a problem. There is no such thing as once corset design fits all. I would NEVER buy one of those industrially produced. No as said, I had my corset hand made - and NO you do not wear it on your skin directly. That will just make it dirty - and you can't wash a corset like other garments. So it needs to have something beneath it. A true corset would for example have absolutely no visible seam ends inside it as those can also become a problem. I my self never needed a long adjustment period. Some people will, and I am not speaking of a medical one either - those plastic contraptions are just the ugliest items in existence. Additionally, tight lacing is not and was not a thing for most women. It's like one of those particularly excessive practices that only rare people will go for - mostly if at all - used to be the women of higher social status in the days way back. And no, not all of them either. Common other women - no there was corsets especially made for working in them. I in fact find that I have more strength in a way while wearing it, because without I would not have the support from my natural body to do what I can do wearing it. Though it is not really the power that increases - but the fact that it takes on the job of your core muscles. And in my case, removes pressure on the spine itself.
I use my corset to help with my back pain from scoliosis
This speaks volumes that you were able to do all of this even in a modern fashion corset, which are built more tubularly and are more constricting than Victorian corsets! :o
Anyway as always I am 500% here for your hilarious commentary and 10/10 experiments 😎✨
Ha! Came in late to avoid the crowd...clever girl.
fancy girls squad
Yessssss! The Queen of sew tube!
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she said "if you know anything about corsetry you will be vastly unsurprised by the results" and I immediately thought of Bernadette
Is it possible? Corset is!
ha
you win this one
Bruh🤣
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👏👏👏 Nicely done
"If you know anything about corsets the results will not surprise you."
Yeah, but I wanna see what hijinks you get up to anyway.😁
I’m just super happy that more and more people actually do know about corsets these days, and are fighting back against the highly incorrect myth that they were patriarchal torture devices that prevent women from doing anything, including breathing.
Which is a hit sexist if you think about it- women were not so unintelligent as to wear boned support garments for 500 YEARS if they were torture devices that prevented us from doing anything. Women still had to work, and look after kids, and pop out kids, and generally live their lives. Women would not have worn any form of corsetry if it were actually as bad as modern myths would have is believe.
And it’s kinda sexist to think that the women of the past were so silly as to wear these things if those myths had have been accurate.
@@katherinemorelle7115 It's what I like to call the "I know better than you effect" people often using personal experiences to try any convince other people that their experience is what everyone else will have despite what everyone else will tell them.
*Being a man owning a corset and a corseted waistcoat, brings forth a cup of tea and prepares for the show*
Go ooooon :D
@@katherinemorelle7115 your argument is valid with a slight discrepancy with them never being a torture machine. At one point the fashion was to have it that tight but it eventually went out of fashion like everything else.
@@spidermanmyers tight lacing was never something widely done. There were a few young high society women, and some actresses that did it. Basically the Kardashian/celebrity types of the time. And there were plenty of people (especially high society matron types) who disapproved of the practice, seeing it as vain and shallow. You know the usual “I can’t believe what these young people will do for fashion!” comments.
But most women didn’t tight lace, because they had shit to do. And even those that did, didn’t do it all the time, usually only for events and photographs- and those photos were usually doctored to make the waists appear even smaller (Karolina Zebrowska has a great video about how they photoshopped photos before photoshop).
Not to mention that even if someone did choose to tight lace- that was their choice. It’s their body, and they can do as they like with it. It was also fairly short lived. In the history of boned support garments (which ran about 500 years), it was only in the last 50 or so years of that that tight lacing was even physically possible- it simply couldn’t be done before the use of metal eyelets, because hand sewn eyelets would tear apart under that sort of pressure.
And there’s also the fact that it’s so, so much easier to just pad out the bust and hips, or use good tailoring to make an optical illusion (like using big skirts and sleeves), than it was to make your waist significantly smaller. So why put yourself through pain if you didn’t have to? It was only the very young and very fashionable who even bothered- like actresses, because having a tiny waist was often a point of publicity. But apart form that- why would you bother? That’s the great thing about historical fashion- shape mattered more than size. And anyone could achieve the fashionable shape through corsetry, padding and tailoring. Unlike today, where it’s both shape and size, and you have to change your actual body to meet that standard.
I’ve never felt as body neutral to positive as I have since I started dressing historically. I’m plus sized, so I simply don’t meet current body standards. But I can achieve whatever historical silhouette I desire, and that’s pretty freeing, actually.
Corsets were not worn as tightly as cinema would like you to believe, allowing women in the days of yore to perform acrobatics and other strenuous tasks. Women could and HAVE fought in corsets and there is historical proof of this.
Other cultures had their core and breast support too, like very wide belts. And some had short sleeveless outerwear about the region of breasts, worn Over! the dress (under the coat if it's winter obviously).
A well known example of the first would be kimono belt, but the belts I am talking about don't reach over the breast but sit sturdy ly just under it. Grandma style.
This is a fascinating string of two comments, not gonna lie. There was a video of a samurai master reacting to samurai films, and he mentioned that while the traditional samurai back in the day were out at battle, the wife would defend the house and whip out a naginata should a thief decide to try to break in. They definitely would’ve fought in a kimono belt if ever.
Jui jitsu wielding suffragettes of the 1910s immediately come to mind.
For examples of corsets combat? I know although suffrage movement had combatants but would there be others?
I have read a few articles about women who practiced and taught Bartitsu around the late 19th century. And Edith Margaret Garrud used ju-jitsu in the early 20th century.
And google images for "Victorian female boxers". The obese ladies and several others don't seem to be wearing corsets (most of them seem to have been performers), but some obviously are. Including a few (the photo of Hattie Steward) who boxed professionally.
Okay, that was an interesting side trip. I have known about Bartitsu for years, but I didn't know that there was professional women's boxing, including the bare-knuckle variety, during the late 19th century.
"It's not mad science if there's no mad control group" 🤣
I can’t remember where I picked up that phrase (I think someone in my comments section) but I loved it and was delighted to have the opportunity to use it 🤣
One of the funniest lines I've heard in months
@@JillBearup It sounds like something from the Girl Genius webcomic or at least the kind of stuff that the characters in it might say. (I warmly suggesting giving it a glance if you haven't already www.girlgeniusonline.com/newreaders.php ).
@@det.bullock4461 Or maybe Casey & Andy?
@@det.bullock4461 Girl Genius is such an excellent comic.
More actresses would probably like corsets if they were actually given time to adapt and costuming actually, you know, put a chemise on before the corset.
Exactly! Everyone hates on the actresses, but at the same time everyone agrees that a painful corset is an incorrect corset. How is the actress at fault if the costume she is given is painful and uncomfortable? She didn't get to choose it! The person in charge of costuming is to blame.
Right?!? Every screen depiction, every time: corset on bare skin. Who does that?!? Lol!
@@verybarebones yes I don't really like when some youtubers are so harsh on the actress, they're just telling their personal experiences
I completely agree. The actresses are not dressed CORRECTLY in their corsetry, it is often laced too tightly to get the silhouette the film wants (without taking into account that such silhouettes were historically achieved with PADDING, not just lacing down), and no corset is "one size fits all." These garments were specifically made for the lady wearing them, and any responsible corset seller these days still asks you for your measurements in order to find you the best corset for your shape. The problem with Hollywood corsets is that they are not made like actual structural support garments, but more like fetish/lingerie pieces that are meant to give a specific look while disregarding structure and support. It's too Fredirick's of Hollywood and Victoria's Secret, not true Victorian support.
I think a lot of people also don’t realise a new corset needs to be worn in. This needs to be done gradually and takes time.
Bernadette Banner just did a video about "athletic corsets" and explains how they looked historically as well
ruclips.net/video/SlEE2_017jE/видео.html
I saw it when it came out and was compelled to go and comment about the odd coincidence :D
Karolina Zebrowska has done a multitude of videos on the topic too.
@@JillBearup give into the compulsion..... Do it.... Nothing's stopping you....
@@crashingwaves7399 JUST DO IT!!! (To speak with the words of adidas‘ competitor)
"We're not really allowed to fight people outside of our household right now", comment sections; really
_* stops mid-stab *_ We aren't?
Basically what i've been complaining about since it started. All this HEMA gear and nobody to twat in the face with it :(
I feel like "corsets aren't that restrictive" is gonna become like HEMA's "swords aren't that heavy and are very sharp"
But swords ... aren't that sharp? Well at least not in a "you can't touch the edge without cutting yourself" kind of way ...
@@Nejvyn It is perfectly possible to touch the edge of a very sharp knife without cutting yourself. Just don't slide across it. 🤷♀️
@@Nejvyn Very few things are so sharp that you can't touch the edge without immediately cutting yourself, not even razorblades and medical scalpels. But it was possible to make swords very sharp, and that was generally advisable since they make rather poor clubs.
@@Nejvyn i mean, razors are literally the definition of incredibly sharp, and the entire point is to touch the edge without cutting yourself. And before someone brings up the safety features of terrible disposable razors, the same 'very sharp, touching your skin with the edge' thing applies to straight razors. It matters more how you touch them than whether they're sharp- you get hit in the arm with a splitting axe and it will cut you, despite the fact they're mostly sold without an appreciable edge.
I admit, that was phrased somewhat hyperbolic. What I was getting at is that in my experience, people usually expect swords to be much sharper than they actually were. For example, when I demonstrate a half-swording technique, most people are like: "Yeah, sure, you can do that with stage combat weapons, but not with _real_ swords." So far I haven't had any experiences where I had to convince people that swords are actually _sharper_ than they thought o.O
I am a guy and have never worn a corset. However I have done stage combat against ladies in a corset (laced) before. I have had knife, sword & buckler, unarmed, and rapier fights and none of the ladies had any issues. They were able dodge, move and perform all manner of slashes, strikes and various marital and generally combat-y moves and they made them look damn good. The one piece of advice those ladies have given me that I always pass on is that if you are going to fight in a corset, practice in a corset. It helps your breathing and your muscle memory is easier. One things that corsets do help with is knaps. Doing a soft handed punch or a knap against the torso make a great sound.
that is not how people fight , that is dancing!
street fighting is much much more staby and bloody and vary fast
1- everyone gets cut its just how much and how badly
2- most fights are over in less then 3 moves ( think seconds not minutes)
3- flexibility is key and not having it may preclude any future actions ,ever !
4- people who roundhouse or otherwise turn there back on the other person get to were a wood coat . Permanently
5- it will never be 1 on 1 and the other people you will not discover till its to late
6- your corset will not stop a modern bullet or a knife by someone with even a bit of knowledge how to street fight
stage combat gives people unrealistic ideas on what the real world is like
@@woltews you’re commenting this on a video
*by a stunt actor*
*whose job is fighting unrealistically*
what exactly did you expect here?
@@comradewindowsill4253 to understand that those are stage stunts and call them that
@@woltews well, since everyone else here knows what’s going on too, I’d say you’ve somewhat wasted your time here. Especially since the original commenter would hopefully be aware of what he does for a living.
Hah I have the 100th like 😊
"Corsets?!"
*Karolina Zebrowska has entered the chat*
It's wierd cause the next video is by Karolina Zebrowska
Oh yesssss someone else who knows Meme Mom!
Yess i love her
Ah yes
I love calling corsets, stays and anything in between "women's torso underwear".
It's perfect
I call mine my Victorian exoskeleton.
There was a girl in my American history class who said she tried on a corset once and it was incredibly painful. I was like it shouldn’t hurt if it fits you. Also as someone who used to take martial arts this is a fun question
That is the equivalent of saying " I put on a random pair of shoes once and they were uncomfortable therefore all shoes are painful and oppressive"
When I was growing up, the standard advice was "if you feel a stabbing pain when trying on a new shirt, remove the pins".
I see the occasional "documentary" about corsets that's like "I wore a corset for ten days to see how bad it is!" and they all talk about how horrible corsets are to wear.
And then you look at their photos and it's like "That's five sizes too small for you", "You're wearing it laced as tight as possible from day one rather than breaking it in", "That's not even a corset, that's a $10 piece of crap full of tyre rubber and elastic", "You're *literally* wearing it upside down"
As a guy I've had a corset fitted to me and the shock to me was just how comfortable it ended up being.
@@darrensanderson1031 and they’re wearing over bare skin!
My historical fashion brain just replaced the title of this video with "can you fight in underwear" and yes, the results are unsurprising!
I love everything about this comment.
...Come to think of it- thinking of a proper corset less as a weird historical garment and more just. A longer and stiffer bra makes _so much sense._
Hi there, woman who does Japanese Jiu jistu here! Which focuses on fighting standing up against stronger opponents. Took a really slowed down look at that clip, and I can tell it’s certainly... some sort of self sacrifice drop throw ? 😂 I think this was done to look flashy with her full Victorian skirt, because you don’t really want to end throws with both you and your opponent hitting concrete! She’s slowed her fall by hanging onto him, but she hitting the concrete pretty hard- elbow and hips first!! Ow! So unfortunately I don’t think that move actually works without your opponent allowing it. And it would hurt a lot.
I think if you’re in a dress and you want to throw someone, you want to end with them on the floor and you standing up. Especially as, if your leg movement is limited, last place you want to be is on the floor fighting. Losing kicks doesn’t bother me *too* much, but losing leg movement would definitely make ground fighting harder- so a move which allowed her to stay on her feet would of been much better here.
BUT! Combining your knowledge of corsets and my Jiu jistu training, I think you could easily pull off some hand to hand combat in a corset and skirt! As long as you could twist, bend, feet shoulders width apart, and good arm movement, you could throw tf down if you needed to no problem!
In fact, it has actually been done. There is historic documentation of women doing jui jitsu in corsets. May I present: www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34425615
I'd love to see your jiu jitsu in a corset! I want to see someone who has actually trained a move out of a corset do the comparison.
For me it looked like a painful and kinda reversed Russian arm tie throw but I can be wrong
Agreed, its an impractical but flashy sacrafice throw. Not in familiar toolkit of Judo either. Would need a target who is either co-operative or so incompetent an easier technique would deal with them (push-down armlock? or shoulder throw if inside targets arm). Think I have seen move done before, in a movie stunt training montage, a stunt performer might be able to identify - or a more acrobatic wrestler?
That's a modified pro wrestling move called an arm drag. In pro wrestling when they have the high flyers who are usually lighter than their opponent they put more of their own bodyweight behind it which is why she used her entire body to kick towards where she would end up instead of just dragging him down. ruclips.net/video/N_Zd2cSHCx8/видео.html
I tried to make a funny comment about it's easier to fight in a corslet than a corset, but then I realised that my prior assumptions about corsets were wrong, so I deleted that comment and decided to re-examine my personal biases.
Welcome to the club, dude.
If you're looking for more true and extensive info about corsets, look up CosTubers. Morgan Donner, Bernadette Banner, Enchanted Rose Costumes, Costuming Drama, Abby Cox...
@@fredgreenm16 I second that and meme mom can be included as well.
Meme mom aka Karolina Zabrowska!
Lol. I knew I was forgetting someone.
"No problem assuming you can actually punch properly in the first place"
This speaks to me in a spiritual way.
I shall now always refer to wearing a bra as battening down the hatches.
So backflips might be out, but almost everything else goes.
I don't think it would significantly hamper your ability to backflip honestly, you can do one with a straight back just fine.
@@storysprenThat never worked, for me at least, I would go where my head was pointing.
That meant I always needed to get my head and upper back as far back as possible, to get enough rotation.
Might have been a 'power to weight' issue though.
@@kilianortmann9979 Yeah it could be a thing of differing techniques. I've never done a backflip, but pretty much most times I've seen people do them it's been with a relatively straight back.
I think it would really depend on your skill/technique to do backflips honestly, I'm pretty sure I can do one (maybe with a bit more difficulty) with a corset on, but ig I would have to test it out to be sure.
Nah I used to have Capoeira teachers with no back flexibility and they could backflip fine. It was sort of weird.
4: They're like a hug. I like hugs.
Same! I also like seat belts. When you've had very little human contact in a lockdown anything that can substitute helps make you feel better!
They are absolutely like hugs. I love the feeling of being hugged all day!
emotional support underwear
The woman in that picture at 1:35 has obviously learned about fighting with an umbrella (is she trying to retrieve her stolen child from a giant stork?), but not so much about girding her loins first. :( And of course, other uses for corsets throughout history include protection against being punched or stabbed, or other combat/tactical purposes, but we all know you knew that!
If I'm not mistaken, that image is labelled 'birth control technique' XD
If I recall correctly, the caption reads something like "and still the fiend pursues her"
She's beating the stork off because that jerk has shown up with another child she doesn't want.
You can buy "tactical umbrellas". They are designed to withstand combat, no hidden ninja sword blade but still a sturdy thumpy reinforced stick with a nice solid metal point. They are designed to be weapons which look like ordinary harmless items (which you can carry onto flights and across borders). And they are designed to work like common umbrellas in even the strongest of windy rainstorms.
She is fending off the unwanted Little Stranger, believe me.
I was in 8th grade history, and my teacher went “and they were horribly uncomfortable and unhealthy” when talking about corsets, so I raised my hand and asked him why I was so comfortable. When asking for elaboration, I sorta just lifted my shirt (it was winter time, so I wore a tank top under and a t-shirt over it) and he just kinda broke internally when he saw my under-bust? It was great, I still think of that 4 years later.
Showing your underwear to your teacher in the middle of 8th grade class is extremely inappropriate, though.
@@verybarebones, it’s not underwear, it’s a short corset at worst. At least, I don’t wear it as underwear. I had a layer over and under it, for good measure, because the laces could get uncomfy after a bit
Now THAT'S a power move if I've ever seen one. Hell yeah!
@@pneuma6202 if she's wearing it under her clothes, it is underwear... some people wear a bra above a chemise, but you can't go around lifting your shirt to show your bra to your teacher even if you have another shirt underneath
@@bookbook9495 It is underwear though. Some people wear chemises under a bra too, but that bra continues to be underwear. Lifting your top to show your teacher what you're wearing underneath, which is a hidden layer, is inappropriate in any case, but specially as an underage teenager. The only reason you didn't get a talking to was probably that the teacher was pissing himself thinking they'd get fired and listed as a sex offender if they admitted to saying something that lead to you flashing them your underwear in class.
6:35 Holy crap Jill!! That is some impressive lifting! I knew you had the "mad skillz" but I guess I didn't expect you to have the strength to back up the blows as you do mostly stage fighting. Big respect!
Actresses: I could barely breathe, I could barely move, I had to be wheeled around, I don't know how women survived with this misogynistic controlling piece of clothing *my corset cut me in two and I had to be resurrected*
Jill: well I just worked out and fought wearing corsets, women back in the day did strenuous tasks in them, and there was no bother at all
5:24 lucky for me i absolutely love that pressure all around me, I have 6 dungaree dresses which pull tightly around me, and its convincing me more to buy a corset 😹
If you're wearing a corset and crushing your insides to achieve a smaller dress size (particularly to appear to have a much narrower waist) then it's going to be very uncomfortable. Victorian women used to pass out in corsets because they crushed the lungs to the point they couldn't get a decent breath. If on the other hand the corset is sized to you (and not 2 or 3 sizes smaller than you) and it's not extra tight it's going to be fine. A little unusual until you get used to it but that's true of anything new to wear.
@@AndrewBlack343 tight lacing was only ever a thing in the latter half of the 19th century (it was literally physically impossible before that because you cannot tight lace anything with hand sewn eyelets), and even then, it was relatively uncommon. Only ever done by the young, vain, fashionable types (the Kardashians of their day), and even then, still looked down upon as being rather vain and very silly.
Also, even in a tight laced corset, one can still breathe. There has been no contemporary evidence found of ladies passing out due to being unable to breathe from tight laced corsets. It was mostly a literary device to denote shock and that the lady in question was pure of morals.
So no, not really.
@@AndrewBlack343 Also, if you'd like to read scientific, academic, and historically researched information that can help you understand your misstatements beyond was has already been posted, The Corset: A Cultural History by dress historian and curator of the Museum at FIT Valerie Steele, is a wonderful source of knowledge.
I love that pressure too! It's like a really supportive big hug. ☺️
Being fair to the actresses often the studios
A) give them the wrong size corset and then tight lace it ( which what the ****)
B) they make them wear them on bare skin?!
C) they source not from foundational corsets but rather fashion companies which would be fine - if they sized them right😒
THANK you! Those of us who perform at Renfaires, dancing and walking about and yes, fighting all day in corsets and big skirts have known it's possible for decades. This was a hoot to watch!
In the books, she didn't know how to fight. She just kept a long, razor-sharp, dagger laced into said garment.
I'd actually have liked that better. I don't get why every Holmes lately has to be an MMA fighter.
@@verybarebones Sherlock basically was in the books, Enola wasn't though.
@@martinchuma not MMA or BJJ because they hadn't been invented. Even boxing looking wildly different technique wise.
@@verybarebones Yeah of course, I just meant that he was a good fighter 😅
Also, what's your favourite version of Sherlock?
Best Sherlock Holmes was the Jeremy Brett series from the 1980s. Absolutely perfect portrayal of Holmes. And he didn't fight much, which is accurate per the original stories. Iirc, Holmes was a trained boxer and fencer, which seems fairly realistic for the setting and his background.
Somebody go get Bernadette. I think she'd like this
You've been heard :D
for this particular instance your comment happens to be directly below hers which was very sweet
Ah yes. Aunt Bernie, the AHJ.
And don't forget Meme Mom (Karolina Żębrowska)!
These "action-stuff in costume" videos continue to very interesting. They're a wonderful help for planning outfits for characters in my writing projects.
A friend of mine says she actually feels more comfortable fighting (and doing other active stuff) in a corset than without one as it helps her control her balance.
I haven’t finished the video but I’ve done manual labor in a corset so probably lol
"It's not mad science if there's no mad control group" is the loveliest, geekiest thing I've heard in awhile!
I haven't watched the full video yet but I am loving the fact you likened corsets to lifting belts. Poetic delivery as always
I mean- I mostly use mine as a more comfortable, less obvious back brace that also serves the function of a bra.
Because I can’t sit up for longer than half an hour without a back brace, thanks to a spine that doesn’t work terribly well. But I put a corset on (and I do only use Victorian style corsets or earlier stays, modern corsets are pretty much useless tubes with boning in them), and not only can I now do stuff, but my pain levels decrease *immediately*.
Awesome things, corsets. I love them so much.
The thing you do with the move you called Corkscrew at 4:15, you do the spin, you fixate the leg you hold in place so they can't move it while using your extended bottom foot to not allow the other person to step back even with the other foot. The upper foot is at the front of the target's body which you use to push at around their pelvis area ideally to simply force them backwards and to the ground. Since you immobilize their legs shortly before, anyone caught in this will likely go down. What to do from there is up to you.
The first thing I thought when I saw that move is, if someone tried that for real they are asking to have a knee drop on their abdomen. Not likely to be fun for the person on the floor. It looks flashy, but I'm not convinced how practical it is.
@@rodtheworm It isn't unless the other fighter is very unwilling to go to the ground.
@@rodtheworm "Berimbolo" from Brazilian JiuJitsu, from the sound of it... A legit technique. Just sayin'.
@@rodtheworm It's purpose is getting a person onto the ground while you yourself are grounded and the enemy approaches you. That's it's one utility and you need to follow it up with something of course. Plus if the other person has a knife or a gun or something, it's nonsense to even attempt this in the first place. If you get caught in it by someone who can do it with speed and power, you are gonna kiss the ground regardless if you want to or not.
It's a rolling kneebar.
As an autistic woman I love the feeling of wearing a corset. It is like a wearable hug
Emma Watson should have done her research and not ruined the dress in Beauty and the Beast from something vaguely historically accurate to an omelette with embroidery.
Emma wasn't the one who made the dress though. The costume designers did.
@@likeliese7995 and just who do you think took away one of the tools to make a structually poofy dress?
@@likeliese7995 If you compare the cinderella live action dress with belles dress then its a huuge disaster.
P. S They were both designed by the same person.
@@TheLittleRedVixen I'm not saying that that the person who made the dress is a bad designer though, belles dress was a bad apple.
@@likeliese7995 The dresses for Belle (because let's face it, *all* of them were poorly done in part due to the lack of corset to provide a proper structure, but the farm dress suffered least, the ballgown the most) were bad apples not just because of the designer, though. Emma Watson was allowed an absurd amount of creative control, insisted that corsets were effectively anti-feminist and regressive (performative feminism at its finest!), and claimed that it would make it impossible for Belle to be an active, physical "princess" who rode horses and did things, plus ignored the actual original designs for the dress that were closer to the animated movie's ballgown, and apparently said she wanted something based on a drawing from one of the...I believe it was a producer's daughter to serve as the basis for the design. Something about how they were making a movie for children, and how therefore a child's drawing made sense to be the design concept more than the work of a professional costume designer, because giving back to the children or something like that?
Either way, it was the difference between an actress who was there to do their job, and deal with a little discomfort to make the "Princess Moment" of revealing her in the gown happen, and an actress who knew she was there largely because she had name value, and could get away with pushing her personal "I am feminist, hear me roar" agenda on the production, and thus ruin the "Princess Moment" by putting the designers in a position to have to half-ass the dress to meet her bizarre standards of what she was willing to wear.
I almost forgot to mention at my historical re-enactments that I had to fetch water, and having the corset helped. One gallon of water = 8lbs.
What're historical re-enactments?
I really love that the rise of sewing youtube (CosTube?) has prompted a "by the way corsets are fine!" thing
I've been wearing a corset to help support my arthritic back and I have found that it is also really nice for menstrual cramps. I get monster cramps and I was worried the corset was going to make them worse but the constant even pressure actually made them feel less intense.
Oh, neat, cramp relief is a new one on me! It makes a whole lot of sense, though :)
As Long as you have a good linen chemise under it and it is fitted properly then of course!! I’ve worn them all day.
Also, my daughter always tests each and every skirt by running up and down the aisle and kicking twice in it.
Didn't know I needed a clip of a woman wearing a corset doing a deadlift. Thank you, Jill!
That was weird, I replied to a completely different comment and it ended up here.
Um...you're welcome!
I swear, I will never get tired of corset debunk videos😂 like if people don’t want to wear one, that’s absolutely okay, but that doesn’t give them an excuse to spread historical and/or practical misinformation and then argue with someone whose done their research lol
Having played Assassins Creed: Syndicate with Evie as much as possible (including all the fight clubs) I'm not surprised.
I do historical fencing and the other girl in my class will comfortably wear full length skirts during drills. She does wear shorter skirts if we do any bouts, but still, loose skirts can be pretty darn practical
Your description of how actresses probably feel in a corset if they're not used to it really helps explain how my cat feels during harness training time.
I think there’s more to it than that- there’s likely a lot of different issues all coming together.
So, the corsets they use are likely cheap, not made to fit them, made from a modern pattern and then tight laced in order to try and force the correct silhouette- which it can’t really do because modern corsets are basically fabric tubes with boning. Also, the women of the time wouldn’t use their (correctly shaped) corsets to do it all either- they used padding, smart tailoring and optical illusions like big sleeves, off the shoulder berthas, and big skirts.
And film and tv costumers have a nasty habit of making actresses wear corsets and stays without a chemise underneath.
So put that all together- ill fitting cheap modern corsets, tight laced, not seasoned, no shift underneath, and it is a new thing... it probably is quite uncomfortable. Plus there’s the way that actors do like to receive as much credit as possible for “suffering for their art”, and that’s how you end up with “uh my organs shifted!”, and people like Lily James, who was tight laced into a too small corset and who said that she could only have a liquid diet and that it made her stomach hurt terribly... though the stomach pain is likely more due to being someone with such lacking common sense that they thought drinking a whole heap of Diet Coke while wearing a compressive garment around their stomach was a good idea.... that made me roll my eyes so hard, you have no idea. Of course she had awful stomach pain- she was already wearing something far too tight about her torso, and decided to introduce a bunch of gas to that equation. Not the smartest thing to do.
But maybe if actresses actually knew how corsetry worked, and weren’t expecting it to be painful, they’d be able to demand proper corsets? Or maybe if the costumers were more educated in corsetry, they wouldn’t attempt to put actresses into their awful cheap corsets in the first place, and would use actual period techniques to achieve that silhouette.
As for me, I personally love that feeling of a snug corset- it’s like a permanent hug, or a weighted blanket for my torso. I find it actually helps my anxiety. But ymmv, obviously. Some people just can’t stand tight or restrict clothing, while others are comforted by it.
Mate, that's the kinda thing my cat says
'Core might be getting lazy' As a physio specialising in that: yes, that poses a problem and thus making diastasis recti more likely.
I've read that this is why someone who wears corsets on the regular should also make sure they aren't wearing them 24/7, so their core doesn't get too lazy.
@@charischannah Yes. That is something I see in patients. But also if activating core is a problem for whatever reason, wearing corsets can feel really good. In the long run it usually exacerbates the underlying problem.
Legit my favorite thing about corset is... used to be that literally everyone and their mother had one. Like some of my favorite images are of a woman/man in a coreset lifting heavy stuff onto their shoulders. Turns out- having good posture + heavy lifting = far less strain. Who woulda thunk?
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The plastic bones are designed to replicate whale-bones which were the standard in corsetry
Which were of course, not made of actual whale bones, but baleen. The “whale bone” thing is short for “whale boning”, the boning referring to the thin strips of material that help support a corset or stays, and don’t refer to actual bones.
Baleen is the teeth type stuff of baleen whales, and is made of keratin- a strong yet very flexible material also found in human nails and hair. And the awesome thing about baleen (and its modern synthetic counterpart) is that it moulds to your body with heat- so the longer you wear a corset, the better it fits you.
Of course the bad thing about baleen is that you need to kill whales to get it, which is no good. But synthetic boning (also called German plastic boning) replicates the properties of baleen very well, while also being affordable and not requiring any whales to die. Win/win as far as I’m concerned.
(I’m not correcting you, just adding to the info for anyone reading your comment)
Which is more environmentally friendly in the production?
@@sarosenna5850 well, we aren’t killing whales for synthetic whalebone, so imma go with that. Plastic isn’t great, but it’s also not depleting the already far too low whale population anywhere near as much.
There's actually 2 types of plastic boning-rigilene and german plastic. The ones in these fashion corsets are rigilene which has very little resistance or strength, not to mention cheaper which is why its a fast fashion standard. It doesnt really do much.
German plastic is the closet we have to baleen and has fantastic strength and flexibility but its much more expensive than rigilene and only found in authentic corsets such as custom ones made by dedicated corsetieres or reenactors.
The cheap plastic boning is awful. It will eventually buckle, and it forms over time with the pressure and body-head and ends up losing its structure and becoming horrendously uncomfortable. The best modern alternative, imo, is metal boning - spring steel for the busk and eyelets, and spiral steel for everywhere else (since it can flex in other directions~)
Curious how different people react to the feeling of corsets. That tight feeling around the torso is something I enjoy because it makes me feel like I'm wearing a compression shirt or walk around with a weighted blanket.
I just love your videos. Thanks for including the fact that the sensation of pressure all around might be uncomfortable or unpleasant just at first--but that that should subside. It's a useful piece of information for anyone who's going to be wearing one. Seems that other costubers or historical fashion folks are reluctant to mention this. Probably because it's so hard to fight the "bad corset" disinformation that no one wants to put anything out there that might contribute to it. But I think it's useful and actually the opposite of a deterrent. So thanks.
Karolina Zebrowska did mention in one of her corset videos (I’m pretty sure) that some people just don’t like wearing anything tight or restrictive, and that’s perfectly okay.
I personally find it to be like a permanent hug, or a weighted blanket for my torso, and find it really helps with my anxiety. I know autistic people that also love corsetry for that reason, and also autistic people that just can’t handle anything snug. It takes all types.
@@katherinemorelle7115 Indeed. That makes sense to me.
@@katherinemorelle7115 Ditto on the permanent hug! Comforting and supportive? Yes please.
Corsets should not be incomfortable or suffocating unless it's not thw right size. Think of it like skinny jeans, technically if it's made of the correct material and the right size you should have no trouble breathing and moving, however, if they are too small.... RIP.
I think the move at the start is literally just a throw. Granted, it's his attempt at a throw turned into her successful throw, but it's ultimately just an attempted throw, followed by a recovery, followed by an actual throw. In No Gi BJJ it seems to be called a Hip Throw (particularly from standing), although it may actually be a deceptive back throw. There is no technical term (unless you are looking for a particular one in Japanese, for example), and everyone should know what you're referring to if you just call it a hip throw
The technical term used in aikido for this one is 'koshinage', the take-over aspect is called 'kaeshi waza' (and apparently, also in juido).
Yeah just looks like a generic judo etc. throw with a relatively bad grip
In Judo this is a side-sacrifice throw called Yoko Wakare, usually translated as "side separation."
@@Hunting_Yautja Yeah this, only the version shown in the video is literally impossible without a heaping helping of assistance from your partner and should be practised with thick crashmats because nine times out of ten the person being lifted up will be the one ending up with the back of their head smashed into the floor rather than the other way round.
Actually a wrestling arm throw....adapted to a smaller person tossing a larger person. Using her entire bodyweight off the ground in a twist/flip. I've done judo and akido, but this is an adapted wrestling move...which is why many are having a hard time identifying it.
I'd imagine a riding/cycling skirt would give a decent range of movement, and given that it's essentially a baggy pair of trousers that buttons together at the front, it might cause less trouble in the flopping-over-one's-head department as well.
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Thank you for asking interesting questions, and answering questions in an interesting and interested fashion. From fanfic to clothing I will never wear your presentation keeps me engaged and involved regardless of how much I am interested and or active in the subject of the video itself (and yes I realize that by that contrast I admit interest either in fanfic or clothing I will probably never wear.)
Completely unrelatedly - where would one find a male version of a corset in Yogi-Bear's-Younger-Shaved-Cousin sizes?
Orchard Corset would be a good place to start. They have men's corsets up to size 46 and fantastic customer support.
Depending on the silhouette you want to end up with, drag queens often wear corsets and a lot of padding, so that might be a start?
the Corkscrew:
way I was taught it (or something similar) is to have foe's front leg between your thighs, cross your legs behind their front leg to lock it in position, then have hook your (left, for egs sake) foot in front of their back ankle, and your (right) foot behind their back calf. You use your (right) foot to push into their knee so the leg buckles, (it can't go forward because of your other foot). Their weight has to move to their front leg, which you have under control, and should be holding bend and to one side, so that they fall, and fall not on you.
Me as a D&D Dm:
"Write that down write that down!"
Yeah, corsetwearer here, no surprises, hopefully next time :-D
"I'm thinking it might make your core a little lazy in the long run." I don't know why that tickled my funny bone, but it did.
This channel has taught me not to mess with ladies whatever their wearing. In fact it's taught me not to mess with ladies even if their not wearing anything. I don't mess with ladies anyway so it's moot but still very interesting. I almost want to go and mess with ladies and correct them when they make mistakes or educate them as to how to react as I mess with them. This channel is excellent. Amazing!!!!!! Love it.
Omg I’ve been watching so many corset videos as of late this is perfection
Interesting! My kid self got the impression corsets were only tight and uncomfortable [that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean sticks to mind lol]. Fortunately now I know better, because of your videos XD
There also a few other awesome videos that bust corset myths and explain where they come from- highly recommend Karolina Zebrowska and Bernadette Banner, and the video about corsets and stays from Abby Cox.
A properly fitted corset is extremely comfortable!
As a man I'm glad I can finally feel confident in my ability to take down bad guys while I'm out on the town in my new Corset, thanks Jill!
Boris actually created the 2nd lockdown to protect us from Jill and her corset clobbering wrath.
Corsets are my favorite type of back brace when doing longsword. The only time I avoid it is when doing pure dagger fighting, because I like being a noodle in dagger fighting.
The battle between reinforcing good form and relying on my dex based AC is a constant one.
I always hated how celebrities talk about corsets like they gave them cancer and killed all their family members, like chill, corsets have always been supposed to be comfy, the only possible way for it to be uncomfy is if it's not tailored for your body type or if it's put just on top of your bare skin
Fun fact about Corsetts. They also give you a lot of support when singing. Figured that one out during my first dragshow :D
That was really interesting. Thank you. I'm writing a story where several of the female characters wears corsets, so this was very helpful information.
I couldn't find a legitimate reason as too why I am even watching this other than for some reason it was recommended. But I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
In my late 20s/early 30s when I was in much better shape and my corset was made specifically for me, I had no trouble dancing the '"Can-Can" in it as well as attending many historical balls. Yes, the corset carried the weight of my skirts at the ball.
I love corsets. Its like being hugged! I've worn one and been to a rock night, dancing for hours. Having said that, taking the corset off at the end of the day is AMAZING
Corsets are great! I’ve worn a corset all day, went dancing in one, and gave a college presentation in one. Taking it off at the end of a day is a feeling to behold.
I left one of your videos to watch this video Either way I’m watching one of your videos
As a woman who loves corsets a ton, thank you. Also corsets help my anxiety with that mentioned pressure everywhere... Feels like a hug
I really like corsets bc they just feel like a nice constant hug. Like a more extreme form of being tucked in, but without constricting the movements of your arms or legs. Also I like everything that fits snuggly and doesn't shift around constantly.
The best part about this channel is how you show off how movie stuff can be used irl
so a properly fitted corset is just a wearable hug machine? I might need one of those.
That throw looks like a variation on one I learned (40 years ago) in Ju Jitsu. We did it from the front with a grip on the lapels while she is a bit to the side with a grip on his arm. She throws her legs up in the air so all her weight suddenly hangs off his arms and starts him falling. She also twists so he lands on his back and (although not shown here to protect the actor and because, I think, the director wanted a clear shot of the baddies face ) she should land more on top of him to do him some damage and protect her elbows from the cobblestones.
The corkscrew thing also seems very ju jitsu like, I haven't done that move exactly but there are many similar moves (not usually done on lamps though)
That is exactly what I thought as well. It looked like a modified standing leg sweep.
It's actually a variation of a wrestling arm throw...adapted for a small person fighting a larger one. Uses her entire body weight in a twist/throw. I've dabbled in judo and ju jitsu and lots of akido...but this is a high school wrestling throw adapted for her. Which is why a lot of people have a hard time identifying it.
Like a makikomi throw
A reference point, for when it comes to the kicking:
1800s-1820s: Empire era, very flowy and unrestrictive dresses, probably good for roundhouse kicking someone. (Of course length will always be a bit of a hindrance but that goes without saying.)
1830s-early 1870s: Dresses tended to be incredibly poofy (albeit in different ways) and while that means a lot of fabric to move, there may just be *too* much fabric to get a full kick in.
Late 1870s-early 1880s; the 'Natural Form' era, meaning dresses hug the body a lot closer and normally had a train. The train is bad but the dress itself should not be tight enough to hinder the actual legs.
1880s: The second bustle period, which is that sort of shelf-like shape from the back of the dress that people tend to think when they think 'Victorian.' Again, dress will probably be loose enough to raise your legs high enough for a good kick, but that much volume on the back may put you a bit off-balance if you aren't, well, a naturally balanced person. (It's the dress-type she says at 3:37 is much better)
1890s-1900s: Very flowy, wide but not "poofy" skirts that, as long as they don't have a train, should be very good for kicking in, however a downside is these dresses tend to be very long.
Early 1910s: The era of the "hobble skirt", which is essentially an ankle-length pencil skirt. While dresses were getting rapidly shorter, they also got a *lot tighter*, and a hobble skirt once drowned a woman because she couldn't move her legs enough to swim after falling into a river. So.
Late 1910s-1920s: Toward the end of the decade skirts got looser again, and that combined with the mid-calf length should be fairly easy to kick in.
On the topic of doing strenuous activities in unusual (to our modern eyes) and slightly restrictive clothing, I learned at the last medieval faire I went to that you can, in fact, participate quite easily in a belly dancing performance whilst wearing a large number of belts, chains, Viking turnshoes, and a giant leather armour/tabard thing.
I really liked the giant stork postcard.
This is awesome!
Thanks Darth Vader! :)
I've been in a car accident while in a corset with steel boning, and I can say that it was quite helpful in preventing seat belt injury. Also, it was highly entertaining to the ER people, so bonus. My control, aka the passenger, was not wearing a corset and ended up with severe bruising from his seat belt, I took more of the impact and had none. (I did have a severely sprained wrist, hence ER visit)
As a Civil War Re-enactor (in my time - Sealed Knot - hurrah for Sir Charles Gerard's Regt of Foote) and an avid costume wearer (amateur theatrics & Discworld conventions), I can not say I have FOUGHT in a corset but I have worn one continuously for well over 12 hours and been able to move, breathe (I am a chronic asthmatic), sit, and act in one QUITE happily - thank you ^*^
"This particularly important for women of childbearing age..."
Shows picture of a lady about to layeth le smackdown on a stork and claim her baby.
Me: Looks legit.
the lady was avoiding the stork and the baby it was trying to bring her.
She doesn’t have or want a child and she’s a member of fight club so she can fend off Karen like storks that keep asking her when they’ll have grandkids.
Quick pause, “Who are you allowed to fight in lockdown?”, why you own loneliness and depression, fight that angst, fight it!
I’ll unpause now, I may have been locked in the house too long.
I love this because you acknowledge some people simply don’t like corsets! I love corsets, I think they’re so comfy and help my Ehlers Danlos damaged back BUT I hate shoes because they restrain my feet, so I understand why someone would hate corsets for the same reason
2 minutes inn and I'm so happy about the information presented! Very exited for the rest of the video!
You'll be telling us next that Victorian working class performed daily strenuous manual labour in corsets...oh yes well...hmm
Well . . . if your Muay Thai is good enough. Oh! You said “corset!” I thought you said “closet.”
In my book series, bowling is a big thing, and women are expected to bowl while wearing a full gown, including bodice skirt, bustle and corset. The men also have to dress up, usually in their House finest which may or may not include a weapon of some sort swinging at their hip. Of course I knew while conceiving the whole thing that it was ridiculous, but I went with it. The heroine of the story, a rebel and newcomer to the League, loves to bowl but hates doing it in her gown, opting instead to bowl naked which makes much more sense to her.
My mom made me wear a back brace when I did drumline in high school. It was kinda like a mini-velcro corset and I actually liked it!
Ok so after finding this interesting should I watch Enola Holmes?
It is fun and irreverent.
yes, it not the best, but still good
As always, very entertained and your humor is honed perfectly! Keep up the awesome work!
All of your videos are a wonderful combination of interesting, informative, and hilarious!
I am absolutely charmed by your personality! Great video and delivery. Thank you.
Crew member wandered into the shot. It happens. Don't dock their pay! The Enola Holmes throw is a version of a wrestling throw one can use in high school...(yes, I wrestled in high school) a variation on what is labelled an arm throw, adapted here for a smaller person throwing a larger person in like manner, without possessing the necessary strength...so she uses her entire body weight. Off the ground and twist/rotate holding the arm. Colour (note the spelling) me impressed. Your warm up reminded me of Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters: " I taped a 20-minute workout and played it back at high speed on my machine so it only took ten minutes." But your head was VERY close to banging into the wall. Must social distance with the wall. The corkscrew is...odd. The method I have used successfully involves dropping to the side on hands, one leg kicking behind the opponents knees and one leg kicking his thighs...or one leg kicking behind the knees and one kicking the shins, bringing them down. Enola added a flip feet back and twisty-thing. All in all, colour me VERY impressed with you, Jill! Love your yard too!
As someone a bit on the spectrum, a nice tight corset is actually somewhat comforting.
Of course, my corsetry was more lower class Elizabethan, but even with steel metal stays and it being made of heavy leather, it did little to impede my daily activities while on site during my time as a member of an improv guild (we did singing, street gigging, and live steel 'stage' combat, sometimes with squibs! when the other people on the battlefield have to confirm that you really are ok, you know you're doing something right :D ), and at one point, I'm pretty sure my corset saved me from a broken rib or two when I made a mis-step in a tower construction and managed to try to plant my foot solidly where the open hatch was. O.O The hematoma was glorious (several inches across and very nearly black only a few hours later) and the doctor told me to take deep breaths regularly over the next several days to help guard against the (slight) possibility of my lung collapsing due to the blunt force trauma of how I landed.
I already watched the knife vs corset video so this was a welcome sequel! Elizabeth Swann's got nothing on me, I can fight laced up no problem.
Always enjoyable and informative! You actually answered a writing question I had spent over an hour searching for. Thank you!