most of his views are biased towards israel. "I prefer ethnic cleansing the other side over my people being genocided". he blatantly acknowledged it when he admits he would support palestinian resistance if he were palestinian. how can he be so factual while being so openly biased?
Arabs began immigrating to the land of Israel from 1904-1947. 250K between 1904 to 1914, and 700K from 1918 to 1947. This is about half the population by 1948. Basically, Arabs are not locals. The "Arab" population before this were Circassians, Bosniaks, Afghanis, Egyptians 9form 1830's) their Sudanese slaves, Turks, Kurds, Greek Christians (mostly eliminated by the Mamluk persecutions) Jews, Samaritans, and protestant Americans and Germans. Sorry to pop your bubble. Also the local peasants were not land owners thanks to the Ottoman land reform of 1858.
@@serpentines6356I'd say they're sitting pretty in whichever country, but if things turn against them, as is happening, they'll change their tune and realise that Jews do need a state of their own after all.
@@serpentines6356 I would say do what you want but bear in mind: The Jews are a perfectly normal part of the Middle East community, regardless of other people’s obsessions and hatred’s. Indeed the Jews provided them with their religion and today they are critical to bringing democracy and medical and other modern amenities to the Middle East.
I think it’s awful to discount the people who were ACTUALLY THERE fighting. No one else can know the truth except those that were there, that’s the people who you should believe. You can never know a situation, the ethos, the true reality, unless you lived it. No one from the outside looking in can get a feel of the true reality on the ground by reading articles or random facts and tidbits. You can look at the things he said about Jews having more “power” and believe they had an advantage, but these random facts don’t translate to the reality on the ground. This is something I’ve learned being framed and gaslit in my own life. Things can look sooo different from the outside, based on what others say, or even based on just a handful of things you say (but nothing you actually think and feel inside), no matter how many “facts” you think you have. It’s so easy to create new narrative using random “facts”. But life is more complicated than that- these people are living each minute of the day all these years, sooo much happens that’s not documented. So much. Think about how much happens in your life that will never be documented anywhere. Or the way people can make judgments about your situation from the outside but can never imagine the real picture of who you are.
Morris neglects to say that JORDAN was established and accepted by Arabs and Jews as the nation for "Palestinian" Arabs, which geographically constitutes 78% of British mandated Jewish Palestine, whereas Israel, west of the Jordan River, constitutes only 22% of Jewish mandated Palestine, and this area of Israel INCLUDES 20% Arabs, who have 100% Israeli citizenship, with full rights, but not obligations (eg no requirement for military service or national service).
The manner of Morris's explanation of population decisions by ben Gurion is fallacious...ALL victorious armies have the right to determine their secure domestic population demographics. Using words like 'winking', 'looking', etc is prejudicial and inaccurate.
how is it fighting antisemitism to talk about winks and nudges and then to say "even if there had been a wink..." (33:28) in discussing the fact this hate-engendering NON-policy was NOT enforced on the ground. This is one of the hooks on which antisemitism hangs - surely we need more than winks & nudges and conditional tenses to push this dangerous stuff out if we're to fight antisemitism.
The only people you listen to are the people who actually lived it. They are the only ones who know the truth. He has it backwards. I’d be so angry and frustrated if I actually lived something, and people were telling me the situation was otherwise. Actually that’s happened to me frequently, it’s insanely frustrating. Only arrogant, shallow, non-emotionally intelligent, controlling people think they know better than people who live through something.
Also Morris neglects to state that EVERY war has a victor and a loser. It is the perogative of the Victor to relocate the defeated population. In 1948, the loser was the Arab population. Because Israel NEVER RELOCATED EN MASSE the Arabs, their defeat was not accepted by the Arab world.
Benny does history with his total incredible knowledge, but it’s 😢depressing as reality is for us. Hope is so hard 😊to ride blithely into the future.Isaac and Ishmael//// is there more to say!!
It’s really said to re-write the narrative against what the people who were actually there said. That’s so misleading to say Jews had “more people” or more “manpower”….you mean half the Jewish population had to step up and fight in order for their entire people to survive, because their population was so tiny compared to the Arabs. It’s called- they didn’t have a choice but to have everyone fight. Ugh awful way to explain it. Really disrespectful to the actual people that lived or did not live through this. Gives them no credit. Really disgraceful way of looking at things in my opinion. The Jews were clearly the underdog, don’t you dare try to re-write the narrative. It’s like no one can give the Jews any credit they deserve. All the Jews came together and pulled together everything they had to defeat them, because the JEWS had everything to lose, aka their existence and another holocaust. It doesn’t mean they had an advantage. If the saudis didn’t want to give them as much money then clearly they felt they didn’t have much to lose and weren’t that concerned considering the massive Arab population. They also probably didn’t think they needed as much because they thought the Jews would be weak and not fight back. I would imagine Israelis don’t like this historian that much. Let’s stop making excuses for the Arabs who lost. “Oh well their planes weren’t as good, even though they had 4 times as many”. Give me a break. The Arabs had every advantage. Enough giving them excuses and acting like “poor Arabs”. Such BS.
IF 700,000 BECAME REFUGEES AND 160,000 REMAINED IN ISRAEL THIS MAKES A TOTAL OF 860,000 PALESTINIANS IN MANDATORY PALESTINE AND NOT 1.3+ MILLION AS MORRIS SAYS. A SERIOUS DESCREPANCY HERE.
you do not undertones the numbers then. and 700K did not become refugees. More like 500K. The numbers were this. 1.97M people. 630K Jews. 143K Christians, 1.2M Muslims (950K immigrated from 1904-1947) 100K left before the war 350K fled after the false reports about Jews raping Arab women April 9 1948 160K remained. remaining left on orders of Arab leaders or remained in Israel. Source Eliezer Tauber's book on Dir Yassin.
There were 1.2 million Arabs in all of historical Palestine, about 860,000 of which lived in what became the Jewish State. The remaining 340,000 or so Arabs who lived in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and original inhabitants of Gaza stayed in place and did not become refugees or citizens of Israel (because the IDF never reached them).
You obviously have a closed mind if you did not hear anything Benny said in his talk. Palestinian Arabs attacked the Jews, lost the war, now they cry "i'm a victim", "colonial invasion". Sorry, but starting and losing a war doesn't make you a victim. Truth hurts buddy!
@@yaaraamozig4862 unfortunately you can't convince people with facts and history when their entire world view is through a victim-victimizer/oppressed-oppressor lens
many many thanks
Benny Morris spells it out clearly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Great to hear Dr’ Benny Morris. Finally a real historian which not let his political views to twist the historical facts. Huge appreciation 👏🏻
😂😂😂😂😂😂 exactly opposite to even the title of this lecture
most of his views are biased towards israel.
"I prefer ethnic cleansing the other side over my people being genocided".
he blatantly acknowledged it when he admits he would support palestinian resistance if he were palestinian.
how can he be so factual while being so openly biased?
@@Krack2805this is true.
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Glad to hear more from Bennie Morris online. We need his voice and other scholars to pushback on the
deceptive anti Israel discourse.
Arabs began immigrating to the land of Israel from 1904-1947. 250K between 1904 to 1914, and 700K from 1918 to 1947. This is about half the population by 1948. Basically, Arabs are not locals. The "Arab" population before this were Circassians, Bosniaks, Afghanis, Egyptians 9form 1830's) their Sudanese slaves, Turks, Kurds, Greek Christians (mostly eliminated by the Mamluk persecutions) Jews, Samaritans, and protestant Americans and Germans. Sorry to pop your bubble. Also the local peasants were not land owners thanks to the Ottoman land reform of 1858.
Obviously, many Arabs immigrated to work in the new Jewish farms and factories, but your numbers seem a bit large. Where are your figures from?
Just wait until you realize Jews are just as mixed
What would you say to Jews who are not Zionist, or supportive of Israel?
Sincerely asking.
@@serpentines6356I'd say they're sitting pretty in whichever country, but if things turn against them, as is happening, they'll change their tune and realise that Jews do need a state of their own after all.
@@serpentines6356 I would say do what you want but bear in mind: The Jews are a perfectly normal part of the Middle East community, regardless of other people’s obsessions and hatred’s. Indeed the Jews provided them with their religion and today they are critical to bringing democracy and medical and other modern amenities to the Middle East.
I would question any population number quoted by arabs, including the "700,000" displaced in 1948.
Arabs will tend to claim closer to a million. Zionists historians used to claim under 500k. Western historians have settled on about 700k
where is part 2?
sometimes they cut off a lecture before a question answer session.
More please!
I think it’s awful to discount the people who were ACTUALLY THERE fighting. No one else can know the truth except those that were there, that’s the people who you should believe. You can never know a situation, the ethos, the true reality, unless you lived it. No one from the outside looking in can get a feel of the true reality on the ground by reading articles or random facts and tidbits. You can look at the things he said about Jews having more “power” and believe they had an advantage, but these random facts don’t translate to the reality on the ground. This is something I’ve learned being framed and gaslit in my own life. Things can look sooo different from the outside, based on what others say, or even based on just a handful of things you say (but nothing you actually think and feel inside), no matter how many “facts” you think you have. It’s so easy to create new narrative using random “facts”. But life is more complicated than that- these people are living each minute of the day all these years, sooo much happens that’s not documented. So much. Think about how much happens in your life that will never be documented anywhere. Or the way people can make judgments about your situation from the outside but can never imagine the real picture of who you are.
Morris neglects to say that JORDAN was established and accepted by Arabs and Jews as the nation for "Palestinian" Arabs, which geographically constitutes 78% of British mandated Jewish Palestine, whereas Israel, west of the Jordan River, constitutes only 22% of Jewish mandated Palestine, and this area of Israel INCLUDES 20% Arabs, who have 100% Israeli citizenship, with full rights, but not obligations (eg no requirement for military service or national service).
The manner of Morris's explanation of population decisions by ben Gurion is fallacious...ALL victorious armies have the right to determine their secure domestic population demographics. Using words like 'winking', 'looking', etc is prejudicial and inaccurate.
Any territory added to the partition was strategic in order to increase Israel's ability to defend itself...Golan, West Bank.
how is it fighting antisemitism to talk about winks and nudges and then to say "even if there had been a wink..." (33:28) in discussing the fact this hate-engendering NON-policy was NOT enforced on the ground. This is one of the hooks on which antisemitism hangs - surely we need more than winks & nudges and conditional tenses to push this dangerous stuff out if we're to fight antisemitism.
What country? He must mean the region.
Very vety interestig
Thank you
the term "Palestinian' is a joke. Arab chant in 1919 was "From turkey to Gaza Palestine does not exist!"
The only people you listen to are the people who actually lived it. They are the only ones who know the truth. He has it backwards. I’d be so angry and frustrated if I actually lived something, and people were telling me the situation was otherwise. Actually that’s happened to me frequently, it’s insanely frustrating. Only arrogant, shallow, non-emotionally intelligent, controlling people think they know better than people who live through something.
Also Morris neglects to state that EVERY war has a victor and a loser. It is the perogative of the Victor to relocate the defeated population. In 1948, the loser was the Arab population. Because Israel NEVER RELOCATED EN MASSE the Arabs, their defeat was not accepted by the Arab world.
Weaponised IHRA definition silencing all opposition online doesn't a problem solve, does it.
Benny does history with his total incredible knowledge, but it’s 😢depressing as reality is for us. Hope is so hard 😊to ride blithely into the future.Isaac and Ishmael//// is there more to say!!
Zl0 ≠ JEW
It’s really said to re-write the narrative against what the people who were actually there said. That’s so misleading to say Jews had “more people” or more “manpower”….you mean half the Jewish population had to step up and fight in order for their entire people to survive, because their population was so tiny compared to the Arabs. It’s called- they didn’t have a choice but to have everyone fight. Ugh awful way to explain it. Really disrespectful to the actual people that lived or did not live through this. Gives them no credit. Really disgraceful way of looking at things in my opinion. The Jews were clearly the underdog, don’t you dare try to re-write the narrative. It’s like no one can give the Jews any credit they deserve. All the Jews came together and pulled together everything they had to defeat them, because the JEWS had everything to lose, aka their existence and another holocaust. It doesn’t mean they had an advantage. If the saudis didn’t want to give them as much money then clearly they felt they didn’t have much to lose and weren’t that concerned considering the massive Arab population. They also probably didn’t think they needed as much because they thought the Jews would be weak and not fight back. I would imagine Israelis don’t like this historian that much. Let’s stop making excuses for the Arabs who lost. “Oh well their planes weren’t as good, even though they had 4 times as many”. Give me a break. The Arabs had every advantage. Enough giving them excuses and acting like “poor Arabs”. Such BS.
Great to hear some more lies by the infamous Benny Morris 😂🤡🤯
IF 700,000 BECAME REFUGEES AND 160,000 REMAINED IN ISRAEL THIS MAKES A TOTAL OF 860,000 PALESTINIANS IN MANDATORY PALESTINE AND NOT 1.3+ MILLION AS MORRIS SAYS. A SERIOUS DESCREPANCY HERE.
you do not undertones the numbers then. and 700K did not become refugees. More like 500K.
The numbers were this. 1.97M people. 630K Jews. 143K Christians, 1.2M Muslims (950K immigrated from 1904-1947)
100K left before the war
350K fled after the false reports about Jews raping Arab women April 9 1948
160K remained.
remaining left on orders of Arab leaders or remained in Israel.
Source Eliezer Tauber's book on Dir Yassin.
There were 1.2 million Arabs in all of historical Palestine, about 860,000 of which lived in what became the Jewish State. The remaining 340,000 or so Arabs who lived in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and original inhabitants of Gaza stayed in place and did not become refugees or citizens of Israel (because the IDF never reached them).
*1.3 million Arabs
@@TheNewRed321 "Arabs" Afghanis, Bosniaks, Turks, Kurds, Greeks are not Arabs.
@@TheNewRed321 no such thing as "historic Palestine" 950K were new immigrants (1904-1947) "West Bank" is the name of the Jordanian occupation.
Yes of course 1948 was the most important of the wars...it's when Israel started their COLONIAL INVASION of Palestine.
Very insightful, Jews were going to Palestine well before 1948 and they weren’t a “colonial” power but sure, keep being an NPC.
You obviously have a closed mind if you did not hear anything Benny said in his talk. Palestinian Arabs attacked the Jews, lost the war, now they cry "i'm a victim", "colonial invasion". Sorry, but starting and losing a war doesn't make you a victim. Truth hurts buddy!
You are wrong. The arabs stole the name Palestine. You should read history
really? Is this your conclusion from this interesting and in-depth lecture?
@@yaaraamozig4862 unfortunately you can't convince people with facts and history when their entire world view is through a victim-victimizer/oppressed-oppressor lens