You fool, you fail to realize that Halkenburg plans to finish the succession war in 10 hours, then we can finally go to the Dark Continent and find out that Don Freecss is actually adult Gon!
@@SorryStamin As much as I love the succession war, I kinda hope so too. But considering the arc seems like it’ll be one of the longest, I think we’ll still have anywhere from 30-60 more chapters
Halkenburg's plan is obviously to get all the of the little Zhang coins. If he manages to get 100 coins he gets an extra life, removing the need to swap out of Basilmico.
Omg, this is why my reading comprehesion is poor, at first I thought Halkenberg's ability was broken, but now I reread and verify it with your analysis, and I have to say it's the perfect martyr like ability for Halkenberg but for anyone else, this is a huuuuuge drawback. I imagine a scenario if halkenberg accomplishes his goal, he will finally have put an end to years' long monarchy. Statues will be erect for random civillian B and random civillian P for the fight they put up.
Btw, when it comes to Nobunaga's suspicion in chapter 400, I'm pretty sure his issue is that in chapter 384, Cha-R explain to them that if Morena was still in Tiers 1-2 (which are not "their turf") while the attacks were happening, then everything is okay and it wouldn't turn into an all out war, so now that they know the hideout has to be in Tier 2, it means Xi-Yu and Cha-R have no justification for their war on Heil-Ly according to Kakin Mafia law, and might in fact be trying to use the Troupe as a scapegoat (I suspect they might even use them to avoid the Kakin Army's wrath in case of Martial Law by claiming they ignored the Mafia's law and killed "random civilians" as well).
This makes sense, although it's hard to fault the Xi-Yu and Cha-R bosses for ordering Morena's death (even if it's not "by the book" since she hasn't been on Tier 3). The home turf rule is clearly abusable and Morena's minions are treating it like an all-out war already - Luini was killing every mafia goon he could grab. If they didn't try to strike back, they'd be crazy. And using the Spiders as a scapegoat to give the Royal Army? Well, hey, if it avoids a boat-sinking war between upper and lower tiers, then that's a good call too. (But understandable if Nobunaga doesn't like his part in that plan.)
@@ExtraOtter Ironically it might actually backfire and lead to a greater bloodbath involving the Troupe, the army and the Mafia (and maybe even the Hunter Association). I would also love to see the kind of conflicts it would create for Hinrigh (who admires the Troupe but seems to still prioritize Xi-Yu, and might not be aware of this set up), Tsudonke (who I see betraying Cha-R for the Troupe if it comes down to it), Nobunaga (who is developing a sort of bond with Hinrigh) and the Troupe as a whole (finding themselves getting deeper and deeper into a conflict that they wanted no part of and struggling to juggle all the variables around them, just like Kurapika).
Luzurus dies, marshal law, Halk's people take over Ben's guards, Halk takes over Ben, Halk rampages to start taking out princes, Tserri Kills Halk and remaining strong contenders easily, Kurapika VS Tserri, Tserri pulls Aizen almost unbeatable but Beyond uses cursed nen technique on his son killing Tserri (maybe Beyond even offers the kill and the Kurta eyes to Kurapika to sway him on his side), Wobble/Oito who are also Beyond's secret kids survive and win. Either somewhere in there Kurapika fights the spiders or has time at the end
The idea of Halkenburg firing at a bunch of random civillians until he swaps is interesting because in "We Need to Talk About Kevin" (the book his ability is named after) Kevin kills a bunch of kids from his school by shooting at them with a bow
7:51 the baby has 4 possibilities in my mind. 1 Benjamin's, a possibilie vulnerablility. 2. Beyond baby to curse the 14th prince, if the 4th prince is beyonds. Then there is a connection between him and the queen. And it's a safe place to put him. 3. 15th prince? Could explain the extra coffin, the number of participants wasn't clear iirc. 4. A random baby.( tbh I had a different idea but forgot)
A Woble-aged curse baby is an appealing idea, but then Unma has to be working with Beyond. We just finally got the reveal that she's backing Halkenburg, so I don't know if my weak heart can take it if she's *actually* lying to Halkenburg and backing Beyond (and his son Tserriednich) instead. But it's possible!
@@ExtraOttershe may be egging halk on to get killed, and has a child w beyond (tserri). This would make sense because then she is actively plotting against halk, woble and Benjamin (she seems to be aware of the arrow plot after all.) and all of her eggs are in one basket which is tserri
I really enjoy your analysis. The way you organize your ideas and explain them to the viewer makes the experience much better to understand and thus enjoy. Keep up the great work!
I keep thinking about Bill’s monologue in 388 about power corrupting and how that’s probably going to foreshadow what’s happening to Halkenburg right now. Hoping his plan goes off well!
We may be getting post mortem nen. Or worse hawkenburg mind with Benjamin's resources on top of the charisma he has. That's basically an unstoppable force
So. Timeline is like this: 1. Death of Halkenburg body, and public announcement of his death 2. Spiders hunting down Heil-ly family on Tier 2 or wherever they are hiding 3. Kurapika starts his second lesson on 9am 4. Halkenburg's funeral starts at 12 noon. Unsure which prince will attend. Funeral will go through from Tier 3 all the way to Tier 1. (perhaps encountering the spiders, Morenda's people, or Fugetsu's assassination team) 5. Fugetsu + Kacho + Melody assassinate Luzurus using escape pods on Tier 1 (6. I suspect Benjamin gonna use martial law during this period of time)
This is such an awesome channel and I’m really enjoying your videos. You make such high quality breakdowns and theories and I love this entire arc- thank you so much for your hard work on your content!
What a well done video. You reminding me of what Bisky said made my jaw drop. I also thought “terror sandwich” was Netero’s grandchild but this made me much more confident in my beliefs.
This whole Halkenburg plan is so crazy from a storytelling perspective because usually good writing involves clean and elegant solutions, but I have no clue how this situation can be resolved without things getting extremely messy since he’s sacrificed his original body. That is the only reason that makes me agree with the Reddit theories speculating that Halkenburg will swap into the body of Benjamin or another prince. If he swaps into a civilian how will he be recognized and crowned as king ultimately? He can’t just tell the public “hey guys it’s me halky, I just look a little different now but I have the same consciousness/soul” because they will think he is insane as the general public doesn’t know about nen.
he doesnt care about being king, he wants democracy. being king was just a necessary step. if he cant be king now, he has to find a way to take down the monarchy anyway.
This. And Halk-in-civilian-body would absolutely end up as a statesman in the new Kakin. He doesn't need name recognition, his qualities are the real deal.
I’m thinking, we were first introduced to halkenberg as a noble guy not willing to hurt people to achieve his goal, and his opposite, prince Benjamin, the pride of the family protrayed as a ruthless man who would do anything to achieve his birth right could we see a swap where Benjamin proves he’s more human than what we’ve seen and halkenberg descend into depravity?
I've seen a lot of "good guy Benjamin" talk ever since his GSB passively helped out Fugetsu. I'm slower to change my tune... remember that he's currently trying to declare martial law and enact mass executions.
If tserri is the beyond baby it really makes you wonder what umma had talk for and why she went through all this trouble of hiding him for. Imo I think the real reason she had halk for and why she hid him away was so he eventually would oppose benjamin and make it easier for tserri to take the throne. This might also explain why halk thinks so highly of tserri since he knows he's his Brian's views benjamin as the bigger threat because that's what umma taught him even though clearly tserri is far worse.
I feel like that Marayam statement at 9:30 was calling me out hahaha, I still believe it! Momoze being completely understanding of her mother prioritising his security just makes sense to me
I also like it however it has one hole for me i. e. why would Beyond bet on a child who can't even defend himself yet ? Remember Beyond couldn't have predicted that (likely) Marayam's nen beast created perfect enviroment for him to survive as well as having Bisky and Hanzo as bodyguards. The only explanations I can buy would be that queen Sewanti (Marayam's mother) is top tier nen user and maybe that Belerainte as well (we know that he's a nen user but we don't how good one)
@@dc6502 beyond has a lot of overlaid plans, and isnt that worried any will fail because he always seems to have a backup. his prince thing probably isnt a primary goal, but a means to an end. so it wouldnt be out of the question betting on marayam, and it is also a matter of opportunity for him to be able to infiltrate the royal family. i'm not in this camp mind you, i have to wait a little to guess beyond's child. but afaik he has to have a queen on his side, and she is probably only in the royal family because he wanted it to be so, i dont think he made anyone turncoat rn.
The speed at which current events are unfolding has me increasingly worried that Togashi is aiming to wrap things up as quickly as possible. Especially if the entire Troupe joins the assault on tier 2. I'll probably enjoy it regardless, but it'll take at least a hundred more chapters to do this arc justice. Also, your Kaiser theory is looking almost confirmed at this point imo.
Oh, we're getting another 100 chapters for sure, don't worry about that! As for Kaiser, I'm still not confident I see the whole picture, honestly. But I've been seeing fewer "Melody's crazy, he's just a normal guy with a calm heart!" comments.
Since reading 391 - 400, I've got the impression that the sicession war could end within ~30 chapters, due to how dense each chapters is. However now that we got new plot points, Beyond's prince and cursed children, I would expect the sucession war to end around chapter 450.
@@ExtraOtter I just realized, Kaiser and Cleopatro are named after Cæsar and Cleopatra. As far as I know, Cleo is most well known for seducing julius. Of course Cleopatro is manipulating Kaiser XD
Honestly I still don't think Tserri is Beyond's child, for the simple reason that his survival up to this point was entirely up to luck. In terms of personnel and allies, he's no match against Benjamin, Camilla, Halkenburg and even Zhang Lei (since he at least got a mafia family to back it up); Tserri is surrounded by traitors, probably as he doesn't seem to be in the good grace of Queen Unma, and his only potential ally is now intent on winning the succession war by himself. For such a critical plan (supposedly), there's no way that Beyond would've let his main asset almost completely naked and isolated against the other elder princes. Tserri literally would've been an even easier kill than Momoze's or Salé-Salé's if he didn't coincidentally awaken his specialist hatsu the moment before he was about to get his head blown off. Tserri might actually be the least protected of all the princes, he's only got his nen to carry him. Plus, I don't feel like it'd be thematically interesting or satisfying if the big plot threads all end up converging towards Tserri
There is also the idea that the baby is either the 15th prince or wobles curse. Sinces the curse would have to be born around the same time as woble. A 15th prince would explain the 14 coffins as well
To participate it'd have to be a child of one of Nasubi's legal wives, so if it's a participating "15th prince," which queen is its mom? Certainly not Unma, she's too old, but why would she have some other queen's baby? Tough to see the scenario.
I’ve been enjoying your videos as forms of analysis and theory crafting where more broad thematic elements are discussed, such as the structural forces/policies/pressures that have killed princes like momoze. You have well thought out ideas backed up with a lot of evidence and it’s been a pleasure to watch and listen - i hope you keep making more!! Great discussion on halkenburgs next moves and the jekyll-hyde connection!! I don’t have specific predictions but I am interested in what togashi is doing thematically by linking the family unit and the state, and saying that both these institutions brutally sacrifice their members for power. The rulers of nations are often rhetorically treated as parents, and the citizens children, so all this is doing is making the metaphor literal. Real Saturn devouring his son hours. nasubi is sacrificing his children under the premise that the sole survivor will be more powerful and capable of leading the state. nasubi is also sacrificing the 200k innocents in the boat alongside his children, deeming them expendable. And nasubis children have internalized and acquired nasubis outlook on power and sacrifice. The older princes want to kill the younger. camilla has exploited the vulnerable lowest caste members of kakin, the have nots, to sacrifice themselves for her. On the other end, halkenburg has accepted the need to sacrifice his own willing followers. The queens have sacrificed their children or step children, as you point out in your video on momoze. Beyond has brought his children into the world solely so he can sacrifice them. For a series that is so concerned with family and parents, its been so interesting seeing this critique of power both within family (parents exploiting their children) and within the state (the ruling elite exploiting the lower classes). I also find it particularly interesting that kurapika is caught up in all this as someone who lost their family and clan (isnt kurapika technically stateless as well?), and has self isolated partially to avoid being put in a position where friends and allies must be sacrificed. As such im interested in how oito will be influencing kurapika, as she is kurapikas window into family, and also one of the only characters who refuses nasubis/kakins ideology of life as an expendable resource in the struggle for power. I think the succession war, much like the state/government/societal institutions, reproduces itself when everyone involved buys into its ideology, and on a thematic level i would find it very fitting that someone like oito, who rejects the underlying premise of the succession war - that the lives of the weak are expendable - is the one to interrupt or disable it altogether. I also think that hxh is really concerned with the idea of cycles - cycles of revenge, cycles of trauma, cycles of power - and succession is yet another of those cycles. To end the cycle is to dismantle the ruling structure altogether. As such, i kinda think that the succession war can only be stopped if the monarchy itself is dismantled. With how kakin the state has been described, the ruling structure and the succession war are one and the same. I think its sort of weak writing to say that the system of rule where some people are labeled unworthy or expendable is all well and good, if only kakin didnt use that darn worm toxin urn to determine who is king and have those expendables die!! After all, in universe it is implied that succession contests have been carried out since the first king of kakin unified its various territories. The violence of the succession war is intertwined w the state of kakin. To dismantle one means to dismantle the other, to me. On the other hand, it may be that togashi is not concerned with showing the end or interruption of a cycle, but the tragedy of its continuation - so its likely the monarchy continues, with the tragic knowledge that this sort of succession war (and the ideology of utter disregard for life that underlies it) will repeat decades later. as for how this relates to halkenburg - even as he wants to abolish the monarchy, he plans to use its power and tools to do so. rookie mistake! Can’t abolish the very structures which you are reproducing!! This is what i find tragic abt his character, especially as togashi is showing more and more that he will sacrifice the lives of the people who believe in him. For now he is sacrificing people who have sworn loyalty to him with their life, but will that change? ofc togashi may swerve and actually make him successfully end the monarchy and be just a cool guy, but that wouldnt be that satisfying thematically. For me personally, the “right” answer is to reject the succession war ideology rather than to give into it even w the best intentions, as halkenburg seems to have done. But hey i could be totally misinterpreting togashis writing here so who knows. Maybe the means are justified when you are a charismatic 20yo Olympic medalist in archery who is only sacrificing those who consent to it! I really never quite know where togashi will take things, which is part of what makes hxh so great. Thank you for the video and breakdown!
Really appreciate this comment! We have the same intuition here: Halkenburg isn't going to succeed and have it all be worth it in the end because he's basically accepted Nasubi's rotten premise. In doing so, he put himself on the road to greater and greater moral compromise ending in a downfall. And it's true that the problem with the Hui Guo Rou dynasty isn't limited to them using the Seed Urn Ceremony. That's a symptom of their unchanging core goals: survival, conquest, expansion - all about strength. The problem is that these goals, well-suited to a small tribe at the beginning of Kakin's history, aren't appropriate to the Kakin that's a prosperous new superpower. Strength shouldn't be the priority anymore, and a good successor would have different qualities. I don't know how much of that we'll actually see play out, but I do expect an implicit rejection of the War's purpose. It may have built Kakin up, but the people don't need it anymore.
From what I understand, I'm not sure how Halk is guaranteed home free if he swaps again. There's been no explanation on what happens if you swap from an already swaped body. It could just complicate things and pile swapped souls on swapped souls while still keeping the sleeping mechanic going. You're absolutely right this crowd thing is some big plan of his, and honestly that imagery of the knight on a pile of corpses...whatever he's intending I think you're also right he's gonna be dropping people like flies in some manner.
I don't know if Isaac was actually seeking strength up on that mountain! I think he was just feeling super grateful and the strength worked itself out on its own.
@@ExtraOtter Gratitude for the strength he had gained. Netero had already felt that he reached the peak of physical and mental conditioning before he started training on the mountain. Netero’s goal was always gaining strength and fighting strong people.
@@friedhotwings I personally think it's a lot less cool if Isaac is going "Yea I'm just doing all these prayers because I know it'll grant me an amazingly strong ability. All part of my plan!" I think the gratitude was sincere and the years of prayer were a genuine spiritual journey for him - which happened to grant him an amazingly strong ability. So IMO he didn't go up onto the mountain "to get stronger" even though that did end up happening.
@@ExtraOtter I’m definitely not saying he went there solely to get stronger. But he went there in the first place because he felt he had already reached his physical and mental limits by age 46. He went there to express gratitude for the strength he had already ascertained. But the fact that his chosen way of expressing gratitude wasn’t just to pray, but also to throw 10k punches a day suggests that staying strong and getting stronger were at the forefront of his mind. I believe two things can be true at the same time. Isaac Netero went to the Mountain to express gratitude. Isaac Netero is always seeking strength. Both are true. He’s a man of faith and also a martial artist. When he came down from the mountain the very first thing he did was challenge a martial arts dojo.
If togashi knows his history, he knows that liberal revolutions that overthrow monarchs are as messy, complicated and brutal as any. Halkenburg turning into a robbspeire(i aint looking up the spelling) would be great characterization. I know this is a longshot but imagine Tserriednich fighting hisoka. The ultimate trickster vs someone who can see the future. I personally love the idea and could see it happen.
New improved Hisoka is looking for troupe members to murk. But if see Kakin prince at that peak his interests he would fight them. He focuses more on Chrollo and the other spiders. Gotta see this play out. Kurapkia and Tssrriednich are destined to cross paths. I don't think he is going to give Kurapkia scarlet eyes back.
This may be a really weird take but I am a bit sad we are going back to the Phantom troupe (don’t get me wrong I love whenever they are on screen) but I really like the mind games and tensions that happening with the princes and plus I whenever Kurapika is on screen it’s just pure epic-ness
yeah, the phantom troupe chapters arent bad but they really dont compare with how things are building up with the princes up to now. but i think there will be a big shake up with them, since tier 2 is where both morena and hisoka are, and hisoka means everyone else gets back in the fold.
So hyped for that public funeral moment. Most likely some troupe members and possibly other factions will use that event for some pretty insidious stuff. Maybe a way for chrollo to get closer to tier 1.
I think Halks plan has to be to possess Benjamin. If he intends to be king, he kind of have to be in the body of a legitimate prince. (emphasis on the 'kind of'.) And benjamin has an obvious and easy win condition in the martial law, on top of being a prince he has already infiltrated. I don't see any better alternatives, assuming he still has access to his GSB and ability. That said, is it even possible for him to win in the body of another prince? His body swap ability relies on the aura produced from his guardian spirit beast's ability, so it follows that the ceremony doesn't consider him dead if his GSB followed him into balsas body. If so, wouldn't Halkenburg inside Benny count as two princes, and thus disqualifiying it as a winning result? That said, it may not even matter, because I don't buy for a second that the succession war is to select the most suitable king. The rules are heavily skewed in favor of the princes old enough to already have gained power, connections and nen mastery, and thus already have an unfair advantage compared to the younger princes, who were tricked into a death game without understanding(or consent, in some cases). Add to that a royal culture that causes the queens to pressure their kids into participating, and a death barrier preventing princes from escaping, and it paints a clear picture of a contest that enforces the deaths of children while actively working against a fair competition that makes the most skilled princes more likely to win. The main purpose of the succession war is to benefit from the deaths of the princes, whether its for king nasubi himself, or granting the next king the power to take on the dark continent. I'm leaning towards the former, seeing as king nasubi states he is part of the succession ritual and mustn't die before his part in it is done. Unless he is the source that keeps the ritual going, he kind of has to be the one to reap the benefits of the princes dying, because if he was meant for the fourteenth sarcofagus, him dying and getting placed in it wouldn't be a problem.
Also kurapika says that the letters contain no info on Camilla. This could be a lead into Kaiser being manipulated by Camilla’s nen beast, since the letters dont affect her at all
I do very much see Halkenburg taking over Ben but it being one of those full chapter mulling over every single possibility and Halk landing on the right move. We have no idea what Ben's nen beast does and could very well put a giant wrench in his plan but Halks big brain can overcome it. I dont see a move like this having three chapters of buildup without something huge like Halk taking over Ben.
OK, bear with me. I have crazy speculation, not gonna try a pretend is more than that, but i came up with it after the latest chapters. If we asume Tserri is indeed Beyond´s son and Beyond is gonna use him as a puppet for the control of Kakin, how can that be posible in any way? Tserri has a very unaproachable personality to say the least. That is were the cursed Beyond children come in to play, if Beyond can use some kind of ancient ritual or personal ability of his to put a curse after dead on his babys, what stops him of putting another type of curse on his prince child? Maeby not one after dead, but one that activates once they become king? I postulate that Tserri is also cursed from birth, with a manipulator ability, its restriction is that it can only activate once he becomes king, wich would be a dificult restriction to accomplish, so then he gets perpetually coerced to follow Beyond´s goals, maeby even the cursed is so powerful it downright just fucks with his personality. This could work on many levels, it would be great dramatic irony if Tserri wins to everyone´s dismay after becoming incredibly powerful and doing all sort of awful things to win only to be striped of ruling free and becoming a puppet of someone else. Main problem with the theory: If he is cursed from birth, why doesnt he know nen from before the sucession war as all the other cursed nen childs from Beyond? Ill be honest, i got nothing for this, its the biggest weakness from my speculation (and of course the fact that it goes to much in to the future so its not counting any unknown variables not yet introduced). Maeby Beyond manipulated him not to know nen? What would be the purpose of that? Unclear. Its a pretty big weakness, but i thought about it as i was writing, so i aint backing down!! (yet).
Remember that Beyond is confirmed by lie detector chain to have no plan for escaping the Zodiacs, something he's obviously intending to do. He's a strange mastermind character because he's set so many things up but doesn't seem to sweat the details - he's just confident that with the right things in place and his own abilities, he'll be able to make it all work out for himself. I think Beyond may have treated his "secret child among the princes" plan the same way. He doesn't feel he needs to micromanage it down to having total manipulation-based control of the winning prince or anything, he just figures he'll be able to handle it from there. And for the most part he's probably right to figure that way (look at how he's manhandled V5 and the Zodiacs), although Tserriednich might just be more monster than he bargained for.
I actually don't have a groundbreaking Halkenburg theory, but a zhang lei one. What if after zhang lei dies in the war, the coins he produced will mark up in value (using post mortem nen) kind of like rare magic cards that are discontinued (in this case because the money printer is dead). Maybe it can power up the xi yu and cause some chaos or something, just a fun little idea I came up with when thinking of what happens if each prince bites the dust after halkenburg's procession.
What do you think will happen to Halkenburg's base of operations now that he's considered dead to the public? They say in chapter 373 when Hanzo tries to get back into Momoze's room that "The quarters of princes who drop out are sealed, and the phone lines are cut," going on to say that "not even the king may enter here". Depending on if they use what seems to be the official definition of dropping out of the contest (both body and mind dying) or the public's perception of dropping out (Halkenburg's death announcement) we'll get two very different results. If Halkenburg's room remains unsealed, it'll clue clever princes in that he's still alive. If Halkenburg's room is sealed, it puts extra pressure on Halkenburg's supporters to move their base of operation elsewhere on the ship.
It's the Army that does the room-sealing so if they're fooled, they'll do it. Nasubi may have some secret Urn-related way of knowing Halk's soul survives, but I doubt he'll spill the beans.
I saw a theory about Morena being the 15th prince that I really liked. In chapter 378, when she says she wants to destroy the world, there's a panel of a cuckoo bird, this bird leaves its eggs in other birds' nests for them to take care of. Suggesting that perhaps a Queen left her to be raised by an illegitimate wife. I found the idea intetresting, it would explain the prominence that Togashi has been giving her, the reason for her being on the upper floors, her broken ability and the 14 coffins. Although it's not much evidence, I liked the idea, maybe you can see something more in it. Greetings from Brazil and awsome video, just subscribed to your channel.
At the end of the day, she's Nasubi's daughter and she wants to kill the princes, so she's effectively in the War regardless of her illegitimacy. We could certainly have another baby-swap twist to make her legitimate, everything is on the table, but from all we know this reveal wouldn't change anything - she still doesn't have a Guardian Beast and she still doesn't want to actually take the throne, she just wants slaughter. So my initial read is "It's possible, but if it doesn't matter, why do it?" On the other hand, the cuckoo bird interpretation is suggestive and I wasn't aware of it, so thank you for bringing it to my attention! At minimum it could give us a clue into Morena's feelings of parental abandonment, which is of course a recurring HxH theme. Hello to Brazil and I'm glad you enjoyed!
Dang these few chapters have just set up what is likely the start of the main succession war conflict - we'll just have to see if 11th prince's group manages to pull off the assasination of Luzurus. Love that its indirectly affecting every faction because of how interconnected everything is! Possible timeline of events: -Successful assassination of Luzurus - Cha-R (guys with flower tattoos) take notice Luzurus is missing and declare war with opposing Families; seek out Morena's group directly to start -Troupe cements affiliation with Cha-R (before they realize 7th princes situation and war is declared) Get roped up even further in conflict -Upon hearing 7th prince is missing, Benjamin prepares to enact ML; but is attacked/stopped by Balkenburg before he starts - Fugetsu's condition remains the same and we find out that Camila has sent Have- nots to their respective targets already and 14th prince is next - Tserridnichs Military Envoy gets notice of mafia causing trouble and goes to inform him that he might be in danger, but gets stopped by Morena's group on the way and have to fight.
The main reason I'll be sad if Halk really kills Ben is that I want to see panels and panels of Furykov analyzing the second Nen class. (and good call-out about Tserri's school pals in the Army, I do think we'll see more of them soon)
@ExtraOtter those actually haunted me during the 2018 break. Waking up in a cold sweat - fearing that walls of inner monologue text were hiding in my closet.. felt like with how much attention they got in the last batch, they'd likely get some more shine this time around. Couldnt remember before but apparently they dont know nen so it might be unlikely theyd fight the hei-ly. Hopefully we can check in with Mizaistom and the zoldycks or some of the other Troupe members but if we get something like a Ging sighting I'll be stoked.
I'm actually really exicted to get back into the Mafia war as things are really about to get crazy. Almost all the pieces are being set for complete chaos
they way the royal doctors just give a thumbs up when halk dies makes me believe that they weren't giving their best efforts either, if it was up to cheadle and leorio i bet he would've lived longer even if it was a poison that's presumably incurable
Cheadle and her team were turned away and weren't allowed to help. Benjamin mentions sending a team of militiary doctors to monitor Halkenburg, then Cheadle and her team run into them and then Cheadle and Leorio are shown walking away from the room whilst Cheadle is scowling.
I wonder if Burg body’s death will trigger Benjamin baton, tipping him off that something sinister is going down. Either way the establishing shots of each remaining prince this chapter give me the impression that we are on the precipice of a slaughterhouse. Burg sounding more and more like Griffith has me considering for the first time that he may be joining the already stacked list of deadly antagonists… this is going to be nuts
Side note: I think Leorio’s silence here may say more than we think. Our boy is not exactly known for subtlety, and the fact he doesn’t say “what the fuck is that giant winged beast over the prince” confirms for me that the beast follows Berg’s mind
Halk's monologue in this chapter makes me think Benjamin Baton won't trigger until both body and soul are dead - so it triggered for Shikaku only after Halkenburg killed his soul (in Sumidori's body). That would mean the Baton won't have gone off yet, since Balsamilco's soul is alive in Balsamilco's body. It's just asleep. And yeah, the "ends justify the means" fanatics are the type to watch out for.
@@ExtraOtter I get that he's sounding like Griffith here, but Halk (like all Princes) is in a horrific moral situation. If he's becoming an antagonist by following his current path, what would a protagonist be doing instead?
@@azimuthal1392 I suppose trying to stop the war entirely like our boy Pika, but the Princes can't exactly afford to spend time thinking outside the box like he can. Halk did literally try to commit unalive before resolving himself to play the game. Between the nen beasts and psychopathy this is shaping up to be the most stressful Jojo part ever written
@@ExtraOtter I like how Otter thinks 7300 different people watched his video, but it's really just me. Don't believe me? Watch me post this on my other accounts
The calculations made people believe that Halkenberg was extremely conscientious, but turns out he’s a degenerate gambler. Tserri and Isaac also share this overbearing sense of individuality, which is sort of misunderstood because of the Meruem v. Netero fight. That the fight stood for hard work versus talent, it was more unity versus individuality. And though I really don’t want Tserri to be a Netero (for no real reason), I can’t deny the obvious physical and mental similarities. Also Tserri would run Kakin like how Isaac ran the association.
My problem with Tserriednich as Beyond's kid is that while there are a lot of things that signal him being his son, we have to take into consideration Beyond's motive. Does he want to have control over Kakin? How does he accomplish that with Tserriednich? That's why I lean more for younger princes, more easy to control. If that's Beyond motive, then the queen is into the plan the same way Longhi's parents were Beyond's supporters, so the queen having control over a child makes more sense. But if there is a way to insert Tserriednich into Beyond's plan then it´s definitely him. Also I feel like it depends on how much complexity does Togashi want to add. Making Tserri the son makes the narrative simpler, he's both Kurapika's and Longhi's target, but If he wants to make the story less direct and with more twist then Tserri is a bad choice.
I don't think the narrative is at any risk of being too simple! And a shocking twist about the Beyond baby wouldn't really make things more complex. "Unpredictability" =/= "Complexity" As for Beyond's goal with his prince-son, we don't know either way. If he plans to stick around and rule Kakin by proxy, then a young pushover prince makes sense, but Beyond's not doing all this just to rule Kakin. He's got bigger fish to fry.
@@ExtraOtter I agree with Cabrafull that it would make the narrative simpler because Kurapika is already on the road to conflict with Tserri, so this would actually be turning two storylines into one, while if say it was Marayam that would create conflict between Longhi, Kurapika and Bisky/Hanzo, it's less about the unpredictability and more about the amount of variables involved.
@@angrashadow2958Tssrriednich is the most logical choice being Beyond kid. Because the fifth Kakin prince body guard stated that Beyond child is cunning and cold hearted he differently fits that analysis.
@@ExtraOtter Maybe using the word "complexity" was wrong on my part, is more like what angrashadow2958 said, Pika is "already on the road to conflict with Tserri". Don't get me wrong, I don't think the narrative would suffer because I believe that's entirely on the writer's ability and I trust togashi. That's why Tserri is still on my list of possible candidates (I have Marayam, Tserri, Tyson and Luzurus, the later one depending on if the theory that he is like Zhang is true or false). I think it all depends on Beyond's motives for kakin, which unfortunately I think we are going to get after the real son reveal, but for know I think "having control of kakin to have unlimited access to dark continent" is the best reason.
The TSK 17 might spread on the boat. Remember Balsamico was going to carefully apply it and quarantine any possible speaders. That didnt happen. Leorio and Cheadle being there may end up being important
@@ExtraOtter Nen could fix it, but given how meruem was killed by the nuke, not netero's nen Buddha, I think technology is respected well in hxh and not instantly cured by nen so easily Takes half a day to get going. Things could get really crazy if we dump a pandemic on top of everything. Didn't see any covid masks on halkenburg, but I did see alot of his supporters crowding his room for hours
I think given that halkenburg's arrows can pierce through walls, he might try to aim upstairs while marching from tier 3 and 2 to tier 1 with someone spotting for him. This would make for an insanely hard shot though but if anyone can do that kind of thing, it's him. If he misses due to some shenanigans by Melody and Kaiser doing their song thing, then we could end up with a Captain Ginyu situation lol.
I agree with the theory of the justice bureau helping the Hei-ly family. Remember in the first chapters of the succession war Kurapika mentioned that the only way to avoid getting caught by the lying detector is by being manipulated or having a nen ability to lie. I don’t think he’s being manipulated he probably knows nen and is working with Beyond, Morena or a prince. on the other hand, if he’s being controlled it has be Morena with her nen ability contagion, if she kisses a person she can control them remotely. Leveling up is just one of her abilities.
I was thinking that maybe her ability has conditions, for example: if you are from the Hei-ly mafia you’re part of the leveling up scheme and if you’re not she can control you/subtract information.
My hope is for Halkenburg to swap into the body of Camilla because Queen 2 told her to kill Halkenburg, and as much as I love her, Cammy is not exactly the smartest of the bunch. Halkenburg suddenly being in charge of the have-nots would massively change the war. Also if he tries to swap out of her and then whoever follower tries to kill themselves in Cammy's body then how would black cat react?
10:51 I see that it was noted, but I think it is actually rather important that Cheadle of all people gets kicked out of Halkenburgs room. She is the Chairwoman of the Hunter Association and I am pretty sure she is the leader of the medical team on the whale, but she doesn't have the authority to take care of a dying prince.
Well, she did take care of him for a bit! If there's a security concern, it is actually noteworthy that the Hunter Association can seemingly take charge of a collapsed prince for a while before the Kakin-approved doctors get there. (But Cheadle's not the type to poison anyone, so this gap in security probably won't matter?)
Just a quick thought on the Hunter association being able to operate on Haulk. They’re kind of a middle ground politically for the Princes, so when they did declare him dead it’s could be seen as a more valid proclamation than a personal medical team with political leanings. Ben did send in his guards + med team to verify I suppose but there could be a little more thought behind it. What do we think Haulk’s end game is now? Sneak around in his new body hoping to be able to swap his followers into Princes? What swap gives him more power than he already had? Or is it just a means to an end if/after Haulk gained the ambition to win by killing all of the other princes? I don’t think this swap got him any closer to possessing/eliminating Benjamin…which is enemy #1. If he swaps out of Balsamilco he either needs to eliminate him which will put Ben on red alert… or Balsamilco goes and spills the beans anyways. I don’t see him getting close enough or someone getting close enough to give Haulk a between the walls/floor trajectory without a crazy amount of swaps. Sure Ben thinks Haulk is dead, but like you said all the ways of getting out of Bal’s body are huge alarm bells. Camilla is interesting as it could be a loop hole around her Nen. If she kills herself there’s nothing to steal the life essence from. Taking over the Prince’s with mafia connections could give him intel/influence in those spheres, but do the Princes actually call the shots? Most mafias seem to be operating on their own. The easiest target would probably be Zhang Lei with his and his guard’s low understanding of nen which could also tie Kurapika into the Haulk plot line. (Do you think the coin would change if someone with a different soul possess it?) I don’t see Tserriednich getting hit as he is pretty isolated… or a cool scene with him seeing the arrow in parallel future could play out. And Luzurus could be another potential easy target but we’ll need to see how the Fugetsu/Melody plot plays out. The swaps also seem like a way to get around other “safe room” plot points with Prince Marayam and Morena
Halkenberg's goal is to get Benjamin to try to take him out. In the 10 hours he got left before going back to his own body. Halkenberg probably knows Benjamin is wary type is careful how to speak with him. Halkenberg took a lot of risk. And Camilla she has very broken hastu ability return from death to get life essence. Every hastu has a flaw and counter to handle an nen user
Well, big-picture, Halk vs Ben as a major conflict feels right to me - they're secretly full brothers, they look the same, they're foils in terms of attitude and ability (Benjamin Baton selfishly exploits Ben's dead followers for the sake of the leader's strength, while Halkenburg selflessly includes himself among his followers instead and bears their burdens). Maybe their final conflict is imminent, like Halk does have a plan that kills Ben while simultaneously getting Halk out of his current body predicament - it's hard for me to imagine because it should be pretty hard to fool Ben as "Balsamilco" in person. Or what happens next could just be step 1 of the Halkenburg plan and we'll be seeing the conflict stretch out longer. I will personally be surprised if we get a shakeup as big as Ben's death this early on, so I lean towards the latter - but you never know! (Just let Furykov remain part of the story, I love that guy.)
@@ExtraOtter Ya I agree Ben vs Haulk is the main plot drive for both of the characters currently and I don’t think it’s going to end anytime soon. Kind of what I was pointing at with the comments on Haulk not gaining that much of an advantage with the Balsamilco swap.. we have a long way to go. Just fun to speculate where Haulk goes post swap and if he is eventually successful in taking out Ben where he goes from there. Only time will tell! Thanks for the response.
6:13 i wonder how important the number of followers is when he throws the arrow. in 375 we see 14 followers around him, which in theory are more loyal than civilians, but there were 12 civilians when he shot balsamilco, so it's not about the "amount of loyalty" around him when he fires the shot. maybe the fact that he's using civilians makes the ability work with less people?
Balkenburg does float the "works different w/ civilians" theory to Benjamin, but IMO it was a deliberate misdirect. My working theory is that, "democracy" being a core principle of his, all that matters for charging Halk's bow (and being used as ammo) is bearing the mark of resolve. Past that, a mark is a mark is a mark - even Halkenburg's got the same mark and has the same chance of being swapped, because democracy. Now, outside of the ability's direct mechanics, the followers aren't actually equal because his personal guards know way more about what's going on and would be much more useful in key enemy bodies. So they're more valuable to him in practice than civilian supporters.
Great video even though this chapter was pretty straight forward still a lot to digest!! I do find it odd halkenberg giving up his body while it makes sense for who he has become and his power what will he do when he wins? Hey guys btw I am halkenberg sure I look like hand maid no 349 even if the king signs off to help the legitimacy seems like a bad oversight but who knows maybe a previous war ended similarly? But I also don't see halkenberg's plan working he's getting as bold as Benjamin right now
I have two questions: 1. Do you think that Nasubi may be a target for Halkenburg? 2. Do you think that this ability is truly random? Halk never got many attempts to try it. Maybe it is based on, somehow quantified, will to be sacrificed? I know, not much to be basing off here, just a thought 3. Not a question: I would find it extremely funny if many souls were swapped at a funeral, just a cherry on top of the 200 names we have to keep up with
1. Not particularly, no. Halkenburg isn't trying to stop the War anymore, he's trying to win it - he tells us explicitly that's the goal. That means his targets are the other princes, and if he's truly committed to winning, he doesn't have time to go after Nasubi instead. 2. Yes, I think it's fair and random. If it were weighted, that would go against the democratic principle core to Halkenburg's ideology. Everyone with the mark is equal and carries an equal risk! 3. Well, we wouldn't have to remember any of them if Halk cleaned up after himself. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Then we cut forward 6 years to Halk just doing a whole Detective Conan thing (except he's running for office in a kid's body instead of solving crimes)
I find it very interesting that Halkenburg didn't choose to be the one swapping and I don't think it comes down to pure RNG. The simple explanation is that his nen ability picks the person best suited for the task but my theory is that it comes down to rank, a guard for a guard and a prince for a prince, you have to give up someone of equal or superior rank. So if for example Halkenburg targeted a prince then his own soul would be forcibly the one to swap. I think it would work well as a nen condition to make the ability as strong as it is. Moreover since Halkenburg wants to create a more equal society this contradiction in his ability could be there to represent how much his current path goes against his own nature.
It's not that it's only random but more like every one is equal in the eyes of this ability. Besides it's a coincidence that guards for guards have swapped so far.
Yeah, I agree. Valuing them differently goes against the central principle of democracy! The whole point is Halk has the same mark as any of his followers, they're not sorted into tiers.
We know that Tserridnich has a bunch of the Scarlet eyes, but is it clear if HE was the one who commissioned the Kurta Massacre? Given that Tserri is highly likely to be Issac Neteros Grandson, its kinda chilling to think a Netero may be responsible for Kurapika's entire pain and motivation. At least, in this arc he surely will be.
We don't know Tserri's exact age but I *think* he's too young to be directly responsible there. Of course, Neon was quite young and she was driving up demand for rare body parts, so maybe young Tserri was indirectly involved in some way like that? But for now, my gut says no.
@ExtraOtter what do you think Halkenburg's plan A was ? Since him getting swapped with Balsamico himself is plan B, I wonder what was his main plan. I mean without proof of Halkenburg's death (which they wouldn't have if one of his followers switched with Balsamico instead of Halkenburg), Halkenburg's follower in Balsamico's body would have no way of getting close to Benjamin and possibly kamikaze him. I really can't think of a scenario where his plan A would actually achieve anything other than just getting rid of Balsamico who was there to kill him anyway. Maybe Halkenburg's follower would use Balsamico's body to kill other princes or guards which would made Benjamin a suspect since Balsamico is his subordinate? Any other ideas?
Yeah, I don't think we have to look that hard - the immediate benefit of swapping someone into Balsamilco is that Halkenburg doesn't immediately get assassinated for real, which Balsa considered to be 100% certain as things were going. As with the other swapped Ben soldiers, they'd probably experiment with him and use the body as best they could, but that's all just a bonus.
I don't like that Halkenburg's body is gone forever :( I wonder if he'll end up in Benjamin's or if that's too obvious On second thought I don't expect Halkenburg to have followers near him to allow him to use his technique on Benjamin
What would be the point of halkenburg going into balsamico if he just wants to get back out? Everyone would feel the rumbling and know he’s still alive if he just wanted to go back into a civilian. I think there’s some way for him to narrow down the options on who gets swapped that we haven’t learned about yet. Otherwise, he could have sent some random civilian into balsamico. I definitely think his next move is to finish off Benjamin in some way or another
Well, per Halk's own thoughts, the plan *was* to send a random follower into Balsamilco. This unlikely scenario where he's randomly selected as the swapper was just a contingency he also planned for.
@@ExtraOtter true, but I still am not sure why’d he kill his own body if his goal was just to get out of balsamico. I guess I can see how, if he were to send an arrow into a large crowd, he could basically hide his presence once again, even though his way to Benjamin would be cut off. Great videos btw, I look forwards to them
I still dont understand that if Halkenburg poisoned his original body and talked to the phone with benjamin, he had to know about the plan in advance, but we still dont know how he knew that as far as I know
Well, he took Balsa's body, so he had plenty of time to search himself and find the poison. After you find that, it's a pretty short jump to deducing that the plan was for Balsa to poison you.
I predict that Kurapika and Chrollo will team up to go after TerrorSandwich. He is their common enemy. (I won’t be convinced that anyone else did that to Sarasa, makin’ Chrollo what he is. And we know TS has the Scarlet Eyes AND Pairo’s head. Kurapika is gonna go BALLISTIC!!!)
Kurapika realizing he has to work with Chrollo in order to keep Oito & Woble safe would be an extremely dramatic character moment! And yes, it's a common goal, the Troupe got on the ship initially to yoink some Kakin royal treasure. But this can't happen until the Troupe settles its other business, which goes to show just how far away we are from the end of this thing.
I wonder if Nasubi is aware that Tserri isn’t his child, the rules being that you have to be a child of the wife and not the king was always weird to me. Morena has more claim to the throne than Tserri does (if he is the child). Her ability does kinda seem like a nen beast ability, so maybe she actually is a participant. Maybe that 14th coffin is for her and not the king himself. Love the vids!
Nasubi's the one giving the really careful wording that contains the loophole, so it seems to me like he knows they're not all his kids. But he may not even care - whoever wins would make for the strongest king, which he thinks is what's best for Kakin, so that's good enough. And thanks!
You fool, you fail to realize that Halkenburg plans to finish the succession war in 10 hours, then we can finally go to the Dark Continent and find out that Don Freecss is actually adult Gon!
I should've known...
@@ComicSans-ew2ou I do think things are going to heat up and have a bunch of wrap ups in the next 20 chaps
Don Frecce is the Razien in hunter x hunter I'm pretty sure he going to be a new character
@@SorryStamin As much as I love the succession war, I kinda hope so too. But considering the arc seems like it’ll be one of the longest, I think we’ll still have anywhere from 30-60 more chapters
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Tserri has the exact same pose as netero on the volume 27 cover
Halkenburg's plan is obviously to get all the of the little Zhang coins. If he manages to get 100 coins he gets an extra life, removing the need to swap out of Basilmico.
You have to build up a lot of speed with BLJs in order to clip through the Tier 3 bulkhead up to Tier 2
@@ExtraOtterever hear of the back rooms?
Imagine actually getting answers from 404. Usually when I encounter 404, it is just due to a lack of something
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The irony is delicious.
Omg, this is why my reading comprehesion is poor, at first I thought Halkenberg's ability was broken, but now I reread and verify it with your analysis, and I have to say it's the perfect martyr like ability for Halkenberg but for anyone else, this is a huuuuuge drawback. I imagine a scenario if halkenberg accomplishes his goal, he will finally have put an end to years' long monarchy. Statues will be erect for random civillian B and random civillian P for the fight they put up.
Btw, when it comes to Nobunaga's suspicion in chapter 400, I'm pretty sure his issue is that in chapter 384, Cha-R explain to them that if Morena was still in Tiers 1-2 (which are not "their turf") while the attacks were happening, then everything is okay and it wouldn't turn into an all out war, so now that they know the hideout has to be in Tier 2, it means Xi-Yu and Cha-R have no justification for their war on Heil-Ly according to Kakin Mafia law, and might in fact be trying to use the Troupe as a scapegoat (I suspect they might even use them to avoid the Kakin Army's wrath in case of Martial Law by claiming they ignored the Mafia's law and killed "random civilians" as well).
This makes sense, although it's hard to fault the Xi-Yu and Cha-R bosses for ordering Morena's death (even if it's not "by the book" since she hasn't been on Tier 3). The home turf rule is clearly abusable and Morena's minions are treating it like an all-out war already - Luini was killing every mafia goon he could grab. If they didn't try to strike back, they'd be crazy.
And using the Spiders as a scapegoat to give the Royal Army? Well, hey, if it avoids a boat-sinking war between upper and lower tiers, then that's a good call too. (But understandable if Nobunaga doesn't like his part in that plan.)
@@ExtraOtter Ironically it might actually backfire and lead to a greater bloodbath involving the Troupe, the army and the Mafia (and maybe even the Hunter Association). I would also love to see the kind of conflicts it would create for Hinrigh (who admires the Troupe but seems to still prioritize Xi-Yu, and might not be aware of this set up), Tsudonke (who I see betraying Cha-R for the Troupe if it comes down to it), Nobunaga (who is developing a sort of bond with Hinrigh) and the Troupe as a whole (finding themselves getting deeper and deeper into a conflict that they wanted no part of and struggling to juggle all the variables around them, just like Kurapika).
Damn the mafia really tryna make the troupe crash out for em smh
Thank you for this, have been trying to figure out what Nobunaga meant in 400. I thought he meant the Heil-Ly had no justification.
I'm standing by my theory that Nasubi is the Beyond baby until proven otherwise.
Beyond is betting on all sides so he can't lose (all the princes are his children, who wins doesn't matter)
Luzurus dies, marshal law, Halk's people take over Ben's guards, Halk takes over Ben, Halk rampages to start taking out princes, Tserri Kills Halk and remaining strong contenders easily, Kurapika VS Tserri, Tserri pulls Aizen almost unbeatable but Beyond uses cursed nen technique on his son killing Tserri (maybe Beyond even offers the kill and the Kurta eyes to Kurapika to sway him on his side), Wobble/Oito who are also Beyond's secret kids survive and win. Either somewhere in there Kurapika fights the spiders or has time at the end
The idea of Halkenburg firing at a bunch of random civillians until he swaps is interesting because in "We Need to Talk About Kevin" (the book his ability is named after) Kevin kills a bunch of kids from his school by shooting at them with a bow
I didn't make that connection at all, but if things *do* get that dark with Halk's plans for the procession crowd, I suppose Togashi warned us!
I didn't expect this. I appreciate this
7:51 the baby has 4 possibilities in my mind.
1 Benjamin's, a possibilie vulnerablility.
2. Beyond baby to curse the 14th prince, if the 4th prince is beyonds.
Then there is a connection between him and the queen.
And it's a safe place to put him.
3. 15th prince? Could explain the extra coffin, the number of participants wasn't clear iirc.
4. A random baby.( tbh I had a different idea but forgot)
A Woble-aged curse baby is an appealing idea, but then Unma has to be working with Beyond. We just finally got the reveal that she's backing Halkenburg, so I don't know if my weak heart can take it if she's *actually* lying to Halkenburg and backing Beyond (and his son Tserriednich) instead. But it's possible!
@@ExtraOttershe may be egging halk on to get killed, and has a child w beyond (tserri). This would make sense because then she is actively plotting against halk, woble and Benjamin (she seems to be aware of the arrow plot after all.) and all of her eggs are in one basket which is tserri
I really enjoy your analysis. The way you organize your ideas and explain them to the viewer makes the experience much better to understand and thus enjoy. Keep up the great work!
I keep thinking about Bill’s monologue in 388 about power corrupting and how that’s probably going to foreshadow what’s happening to Halkenburg right now. Hoping his plan goes off well!
Oh I think it's already started. He's a genuinely noble soul who wants to change the world, I'm way more afraid of him than someone like Cammy.
We may be getting post mortem nen. Or worse hawkenburg mind with Benjamin's resources on top of the charisma he has. That's basically an unstoppable force
So. Timeline is like this:
1. Death of Halkenburg body, and public announcement of his death
2. Spiders hunting down Heil-ly family on Tier 2 or wherever they are hiding
3. Kurapika starts his second lesson on 9am
4. Halkenburg's funeral starts at 12 noon. Unsure which prince will attend. Funeral will go through from Tier 3 all the way to Tier 1. (perhaps encountering the spiders, Morenda's people, or Fugetsu's assassination team)
5. Fugetsu + Kacho + Melody assassinate Luzurus using escape pods on Tier 1
(6. I suspect Benjamin gonna use martial law during this period of time)
Spiders are headed down to tier 4 first to chat with the Xi-Yu, and the Kacho-plan doesn't start until evening, but yup. It's gonna be a busy day.
every week is double fun, reading the chapter and later coming to see the new extra otter video
Man, these videos are fire! Binged all of it and have been enjoying the recap.
Extra Otter stocks to soon rise, I smell it
This is such an awesome channel and I’m really enjoying your videos. You make such high quality breakdowns and theories and I love this entire arc- thank you so much for your hard work on your content!
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What a well done video. You reminding me of what Bisky said made my jaw drop. I also thought “terror sandwich” was Netero’s grandchild but this made me much more confident in my beliefs.
This whole Halkenburg plan is so crazy from a storytelling perspective because usually good writing involves clean and elegant solutions, but I have no clue how this situation can be resolved without things getting extremely messy since he’s sacrificed his original body. That is the only reason that makes me agree with the Reddit theories speculating that Halkenburg will swap into the body of Benjamin or another prince. If he swaps into a civilian how will he be recognized and crowned as king ultimately? He can’t just tell the public “hey guys it’s me halky, I just look a little different now but I have the same consciousness/soul” because they will think he is insane as the general public doesn’t know about nen.
he doesnt care about being king, he wants democracy. being king was just a necessary step. if he cant be king now, he has to find a way to take down the monarchy anyway.
This. And Halk-in-civilian-body would absolutely end up as a statesman in the new Kakin. He doesn't need name recognition, his qualities are the real deal.
Just want to appreciate the captions! Thank you for providing them for each video ^^
No problem!
Good guy Benjamin, two chapters in a row where he was a chill dude (still holding out our boy might pulls through)
I’m thinking, we were first introduced to halkenberg as a noble guy not willing to hurt people to achieve his goal, and his opposite, prince Benjamin, the pride of the family protrayed as a ruthless man who would do anything to achieve his birth right could we see a swap where Benjamin proves he’s more human than what we’ve seen and halkenberg descend into depravity?
I've seen a lot of "good guy Benjamin" talk ever since his GSB passively helped out Fugetsu. I'm slower to change my tune... remember that he's currently trying to declare martial law and enact mass executions.
@@ExtraOtter reformed & considerate Benjy can have a little martial law, as a treat
Always a treat to see a new video from ya! I really like the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde comparison you've made - it's spot on.
If tserri is the beyond baby it really makes you wonder what umma had talk for and why she went through all this trouble of hiding him for. Imo I think the real reason she had halk for and why she hid him away was so he eventually would oppose benjamin and make it easier for tserri to take the throne. This might also explain why halk thinks so highly of tserri since he knows he's his Brian's views benjamin as the bigger threat because that's what umma taught him even though clearly tserri is far worse.
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At first I thought this was an usogui reference, took me a while to connect the dots 😂😂😂
I can’t believe I had misunderstood HalkenB’s ability this long. Thanks for these my guy they are so good.
I feel like that Marayam statement at 9:30 was calling me out hahaha, I still believe it! Momoze being completely understanding of her mother prioritising his security just makes sense to me
I also like it however it has one hole for me i. e. why would Beyond bet on a child who can't even defend himself yet ? Remember Beyond couldn't have predicted that (likely) Marayam's nen beast created perfect enviroment for him to survive as well as having Bisky and Hanzo as bodyguards. The only explanations I can buy would be that queen Sewanti (Marayam's mother) is top tier nen user and maybe that Belerainte as well (we know that he's a nen user but we don't how good one)
@@dc6502 beyond has a lot of overlaid plans, and isnt that worried any will fail because he always seems to have a backup. his prince thing probably isnt a primary goal, but a means to an end.
so it wouldnt be out of the question betting on marayam, and it is also a matter of opportunity for him to be able to infiltrate the royal family. i'm not in this camp mind you, i have to wait a little to guess beyond's child.
but afaik he has to have a queen on his side, and she is probably only in the royal family because he wanted it to be so, i dont think he made anyone turncoat rn.
@@dc6502a child would be easier to control than an older prince who should have a stronger bond to King Nasubi.
The speed at which current events are unfolding has me increasingly worried that Togashi is aiming to wrap things up as quickly as possible. Especially if the entire Troupe joins the assault on tier 2. I'll probably enjoy it regardless, but it'll take at least a hundred more chapters to do this arc justice.
Also, your Kaiser theory is looking almost confirmed at this point imo.
Oh, we're getting another 100 chapters for sure, don't worry about that!
As for Kaiser, I'm still not confident I see the whole picture, honestly. But I've been seeing fewer "Melody's crazy, he's just a normal guy with a calm heart!" comments.
Since reading 391 - 400, I've got the impression that the sicession war could end within ~30 chapters, due to how dense each chapters is. However now that we got new plot points, Beyond's prince and cursed children, I would expect the sucession war to end around chapter 450.
@@ExtraOtter I just realized, Kaiser and Cleopatro are named after Cæsar and Cleopatra. As far as I know, Cleo is most well known for seducing julius. Of course Cleopatro is manipulating Kaiser XD
@@Raichuchuu Indeed! When will we meet their secret child Caesarion?
Honestly I still don't think Tserri is Beyond's child, for the simple reason that his survival up to this point was entirely up to luck. In terms of personnel and allies, he's no match against Benjamin, Camilla, Halkenburg and even Zhang Lei (since he at least got a mafia family to back it up); Tserri is surrounded by traitors, probably as he doesn't seem to be in the good grace of Queen Unma, and his only potential ally is now intent on winning the succession war by himself. For such a critical plan (supposedly), there's no way that Beyond would've let his main asset almost completely naked and isolated against the other elder princes. Tserri literally would've been an even easier kill than Momoze's or Salé-Salé's if he didn't coincidentally awaken his specialist hatsu the moment before he was about to get his head blown off. Tserri might actually be the least protected of all the princes, he's only got his nen to carry him.
Plus, I don't feel like it'd be thematically interesting or satisfying if the big plot threads all end up converging towards Tserri
you’ll reconsider once you see the epic Maruyam training sequence that is forthcoming
There is also the idea that the baby is either the 15th prince or wobles curse. Sinces the curse would have to be born around the same time as woble. A 15th prince would explain the 14 coffins as well
To participate it'd have to be a child of one of Nasubi's legal wives, so if it's a participating "15th prince," which queen is its mom? Certainly not Unma, she's too old, but why would she have some other queen's baby? Tough to see the scenario.
I’ve been enjoying your videos as forms of analysis and theory crafting where more broad thematic elements are discussed, such as the structural forces/policies/pressures that have killed princes like momoze. You have well thought out ideas backed up with a lot of evidence and it’s been a pleasure to watch and listen - i hope you keep making more!! Great discussion on halkenburgs next moves and the jekyll-hyde connection!!
I don’t have specific predictions but I am interested in what togashi is doing thematically by linking the family unit and the state, and saying that both these institutions brutally sacrifice their members for power. The rulers of nations are often rhetorically treated as parents, and the citizens children, so all this is doing is making the metaphor literal. Real Saturn devouring his son hours. nasubi is sacrificing his children under the premise that the sole survivor will be more powerful and capable of leading the state. nasubi is also sacrificing the 200k innocents in the boat alongside his children, deeming them expendable. And nasubis children have internalized and acquired nasubis outlook on power and sacrifice. The older princes want to kill the younger. camilla has exploited the vulnerable lowest caste members of kakin, the have nots, to sacrifice themselves for her. On the other end, halkenburg has accepted the need to sacrifice his own willing followers. The queens have sacrificed their children or step children, as you point out in your video on momoze. Beyond has brought his children into the world solely so he can sacrifice them. For a series that is so concerned with family and parents, its been so interesting seeing this critique of power both within family (parents exploiting their children) and within the state (the ruling elite exploiting the lower classes). I also find it particularly interesting that kurapika is caught up in all this as someone who lost their family and clan (isnt kurapika technically stateless as well?), and has self isolated partially to avoid being put in a position where friends and allies must be sacrificed. As such im interested in how oito will be influencing kurapika, as she is kurapikas window into family, and also one of the only characters who refuses nasubis/kakins ideology of life as an expendable resource in the struggle for power. I think the succession war, much like the state/government/societal institutions, reproduces itself when everyone involved buys into its ideology, and on a thematic level i would find it very fitting that someone like oito, who rejects the underlying premise of the succession war - that the lives of the weak are expendable - is the one to interrupt or disable it altogether.
I also think that hxh is really concerned with the idea of cycles - cycles of revenge, cycles of trauma, cycles of power - and succession is yet another of those cycles. To end the cycle is to dismantle the ruling structure altogether. As such, i kinda think that the succession war can only be stopped if the monarchy itself is dismantled. With how kakin the state has been described, the ruling structure and the succession war are one and the same. I think its sort of weak writing to say that the system of rule where some people are labeled unworthy or expendable is all well and good, if only kakin didnt use that darn worm toxin urn to determine who is king and have those expendables die!! After all, in universe it is implied that succession contests have been carried out since the first king of kakin unified its various territories. The violence of the succession war is intertwined w the state of kakin. To dismantle one means to dismantle the other, to me. On the other hand, it may be that togashi is not concerned with showing the end or interruption of a cycle, but the tragedy of its continuation - so its likely the monarchy continues, with the tragic knowledge that this sort of succession war (and the ideology of utter disregard for life that underlies it) will repeat decades later. as for how this relates to halkenburg - even as he wants to abolish the monarchy, he plans to use its power and tools to do so. rookie mistake! Can’t abolish the very structures which you are reproducing!! This is what i find tragic abt his character, especially as togashi is showing more and more that he will sacrifice the lives of the people who believe in him. For now he is sacrificing people who have sworn loyalty to him with their life, but will that change? ofc togashi may swerve and actually make him successfully end the monarchy and be just a cool guy, but that wouldnt be that satisfying thematically. For me personally, the “right” answer is to reject the succession war ideology rather than to give into it even w the best intentions, as halkenburg seems to have done. But hey i could be totally misinterpreting togashis writing here so who knows. Maybe the means are justified when you are a charismatic 20yo Olympic medalist in archery who is only sacrificing those who consent to it! I really never quite know where togashi will take things, which is part of what makes hxh so great.
Thank you for the video and breakdown!
Really appreciate this comment! We have the same intuition here: Halkenburg isn't going to succeed and have it all be worth it in the end because he's basically accepted Nasubi's rotten premise. In doing so, he put himself on the road to greater and greater moral compromise ending in a downfall.
And it's true that the problem with the Hui Guo Rou dynasty isn't limited to them using the Seed Urn Ceremony. That's a symptom of their unchanging core goals: survival, conquest, expansion - all about strength. The problem is that these goals, well-suited to a small tribe at the beginning of Kakin's history, aren't appropriate to the Kakin that's a prosperous new superpower. Strength shouldn't be the priority anymore, and a good successor would have different qualities. I don't know how much of that we'll actually see play out, but I do expect an implicit rejection of the War's purpose. It may have built Kakin up, but the people don't need it anymore.
Camilla's cursed soldiers will be visiting all the princes next chapter too
Just one: Sarahell!
We dont know if Camilla's soldier meeting with Kurapika is even a Have-not but very likely to be
@@frealish6622 We do! Sarahell is the Have-Not assigned to Woble and she's the one who's gonna take the class - she said so in 389.
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Halkenburg is sooo cool
From what I understand, I'm not sure how Halk is guaranteed home free if he swaps again. There's been no explanation on what happens if you swap from an already swaped body. It could just complicate things and pile swapped souls on swapped souls while still keeping the sleeping mechanic going.
You're absolutely right this crowd thing is some big plan of his, and honestly that imagery of the knight on a pile of corpses...whatever he's intending I think you're also right he's gonna be dropping people like flies in some manner.
my read of the chapter is officially done only after watching your recap videos.. love all the insight.
If Tserreidnich is anything like Netero, he will drop the whole power-hungry mentality and go on a journey to seek strength.
I don't know if Isaac was actually seeking strength up on that mountain! I think he was just feeling super grateful and the strength worked itself out on its own.
@@ExtraOtter Gratitude for the strength he had gained. Netero had already felt that he reached the peak of physical and mental conditioning before he started training on the mountain. Netero’s goal was always gaining strength and fighting strong people.
Tserriednich is seeking strength.
@@friedhotwings I personally think it's a lot less cool if Isaac is going "Yea I'm just doing all these prayers because I know it'll grant me an amazingly strong ability. All part of my plan!"
I think the gratitude was sincere and the years of prayer were a genuine spiritual journey for him - which happened to grant him an amazingly strong ability. So IMO he didn't go up onto the mountain "to get stronger" even though that did end up happening.
@@ExtraOtter I’m definitely not saying he went there solely to get stronger. But he went there in the first place because he felt he had already reached his physical and mental limits by age 46. He went there to express gratitude for the strength he had already ascertained. But the fact that his chosen way of expressing gratitude wasn’t just to pray, but also to throw 10k punches a day suggests that staying strong and getting stronger were at the forefront of his mind. I believe two things can be true at the same time. Isaac Netero went to the Mountain to express gratitude. Isaac Netero is always seeking strength. Both are true. He’s a man of faith and also a martial artist. When he came down from the mountain the very first thing he did was challenge a martial arts dojo.
If togashi knows his history, he knows that liberal revolutions that overthrow monarchs are as messy, complicated and brutal as any. Halkenburg turning into a robbspeire(i aint looking up the spelling) would be great characterization.
I know this is a longshot but imagine Tserriednich fighting hisoka. The ultimate trickster vs someone who can see the future. I personally love the idea and could see it happen.
Umm you spelled it wrong, it’s Terrorsandwich
New improved Hisoka is looking for troupe members to murk. But if see Kakin prince at that peak his interests he would fight them. He focuses more on Chrollo and the other spiders. Gotta see this play out. Kurapkia and Tssrriednich are destined to cross paths. I don't think he is going to give Kurapkia scarlet eyes back.
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This may be a really weird take but I am a bit sad we are going back to the Phantom troupe (don’t get me wrong I love whenever they are on screen) but I really like the mind games and tensions that happening with the princes and plus I whenever Kurapika is on screen it’s just pure epic-ness
yeah, the phantom troupe chapters arent bad but they really dont compare with how things are building up with the princes up to now.
but i think there will be a big shake up with them, since tier 2 is where both morena and hisoka are, and hisoka means everyone else gets back in the fold.
I think a mass amount of followers might activate the conditions for a certain swap
So hyped for that public funeral moment. Most likely some troupe members and possibly other factions will use that event for some pretty insidious stuff. Maybe a way for chrollo to get closer to tier 1.
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I think Halks plan has to be to possess Benjamin. If he intends to be king, he kind of have to be in the body of a legitimate prince. (emphasis on the 'kind of'.) And benjamin has an obvious and easy win condition in the martial law, on top of being a prince he has already infiltrated. I don't see any better alternatives, assuming he still has access to his GSB and ability. That said, is it even possible for him to win in the body of another prince? His body swap ability relies on the aura produced from his guardian spirit beast's ability, so it follows that the ceremony doesn't consider him dead if his GSB followed him into balsas body. If so, wouldn't Halkenburg inside Benny count as two princes, and thus disqualifiying it as a winning result?
That said, it may not even matter, because I don't buy for a second that the succession war is to select the most suitable king. The rules are heavily skewed in favor of the princes old enough to already have gained power, connections and nen mastery, and thus already have an unfair advantage compared to the younger princes, who were tricked into a death game without understanding(or consent, in some cases). Add to that a royal culture that causes the queens to pressure their kids into participating, and a death barrier preventing princes from escaping, and it paints a clear picture of a contest that enforces the deaths of children while actively working against a fair competition that makes the most skilled princes more likely to win. The main purpose of the succession war is to benefit from the deaths of the princes, whether its for king nasubi himself, or granting the next king the power to take on the dark continent. I'm leaning towards the former, seeing as king nasubi states he is part of the succession ritual and mustn't die before his part in it is done. Unless he is the source that keeps the ritual going, he kind of has to be the one to reap the benefits of the princes dying, because if he was meant for the fourteenth sarcofagus, him dying and getting placed in it wouldn't be a problem.
Also kurapika says that the letters contain no info on Camilla. This could be a lead into Kaiser being manipulated by Camilla’s nen beast, since the letters dont affect her at all
Or there's simply no dirt to be found on Camilla because she lives an entirely virtuous life
@@ExtraOtter or a very shameless one.
I do very much see Halkenburg taking over Ben but it being one of those full chapter mulling over every single possibility and Halk landing on the right move. We have no idea what Ben's nen beast does and could very well put a giant wrench in his plan but Halks big brain can overcome it. I dont see a move like this having three chapters of buildup without something huge like Halk taking over Ben.
OK, bear with me. I have crazy speculation, not gonna try a pretend is more than that, but i came up with it after the latest chapters.
If we asume Tserri is indeed Beyond´s son and Beyond is gonna use him as a puppet for the control of Kakin, how can that be posible in any way? Tserri has a very unaproachable personality to say the least. That is were the cursed Beyond children come in to play, if Beyond can use some kind of ancient ritual or personal ability of his to put a curse after dead on his babys, what stops him of putting another type of curse on his prince child? Maeby not one after dead, but one that activates once they become king?
I postulate that Tserri is also cursed from birth, with a manipulator ability, its restriction is that it can only activate once he becomes king, wich would be a dificult restriction to accomplish, so then he gets perpetually coerced to follow Beyond´s goals, maeby even the cursed is so powerful it downright just fucks with his personality. This could work on many levels, it would be great dramatic irony if Tserri wins to everyone´s dismay after becoming incredibly powerful and doing all sort of awful things to win only to be striped of ruling free and becoming a puppet of someone else.
Main problem with the theory: If he is cursed from birth, why doesnt he know nen from before the sucession war as all the other cursed nen childs from Beyond? Ill be honest, i got nothing for this, its the biggest weakness from my speculation (and of course the fact that it goes to much in to the future so its not counting any unknown variables not yet introduced). Maeby Beyond manipulated him not to know nen? What would be the purpose of that? Unclear. Its a pretty big weakness, but i thought about it as i was writing, so i aint backing down!! (yet).
Remember that Beyond is confirmed by lie detector chain to have no plan for escaping the Zodiacs, something he's obviously intending to do. He's a strange mastermind character because he's set so many things up but doesn't seem to sweat the details - he's just confident that with the right things in place and his own abilities, he'll be able to make it all work out for himself.
I think Beyond may have treated his "secret child among the princes" plan the same way. He doesn't feel he needs to micromanage it down to having total manipulation-based control of the winning prince or anything, he just figures he'll be able to handle it from there. And for the most part he's probably right to figure that way (look at how he's manhandled V5 and the Zodiacs), although Tserriednich might just be more monster than he bargained for.
Haha this chapter was bonkers, also thx for the otter coin 😂
I actually don't have a groundbreaking Halkenburg theory, but a zhang lei one.
What if after zhang lei dies in the war, the coins he produced will mark up in value (using post mortem nen) kind of like rare magic cards that are discontinued (in this case because the money printer is dead). Maybe it can power up the xi yu and cause some chaos or something, just a fun little idea I came up with when thinking of what happens if each prince bites the dust after halkenburg's procession.
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What do you think will happen to Halkenburg's base of operations now that he's considered dead to the public? They say in chapter 373 when Hanzo tries to get back into Momoze's room that "The quarters of princes who drop out are sealed, and the phone lines are cut," going on to say that "not even the king may enter here". Depending on if they use what seems to be the official definition of dropping out of the contest (both body and mind dying) or the public's perception of dropping out (Halkenburg's death announcement) we'll get two very different results. If Halkenburg's room remains unsealed, it'll clue clever princes in that he's still alive. If Halkenburg's room is sealed, it puts extra pressure on Halkenburg's supporters to move their base of operation elsewhere on the ship.
It's the Army that does the room-sealing so if they're fooled, they'll do it. Nasubi may have some secret Urn-related way of knowing Halk's soul survives, but I doubt he'll spill the beans.
I saw a theory about Morena being the 15th prince that I really liked. In chapter 378, when she says she wants to destroy the world, there's a panel of a cuckoo bird, this bird leaves its eggs in other birds' nests for them to take care of. Suggesting that perhaps a Queen left her to be raised by an illegitimate wife. I found the idea intetresting, it would explain the prominence that Togashi has been giving her, the reason for her being on the upper floors, her broken ability and the 14 coffins. Although it's not much evidence, I liked the idea, maybe you can see something more in it. Greetings from Brazil and awsome video, just subscribed to your channel.
At the end of the day, she's Nasubi's daughter and she wants to kill the princes, so she's effectively in the War regardless of her illegitimacy. We could certainly have another baby-swap twist to make her legitimate, everything is on the table, but from all we know this reveal wouldn't change anything - she still doesn't have a Guardian Beast and she still doesn't want to actually take the throne, she just wants slaughter. So my initial read is "It's possible, but if it doesn't matter, why do it?"
On the other hand, the cuckoo bird interpretation is suggestive and I wasn't aware of it, so thank you for bringing it to my attention! At minimum it could give us a clue into Morena's feelings of parental abandonment, which is of course a recurring HxH theme. Hello to Brazil and I'm glad you enjoyed!
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Dang these few chapters have just set up what is likely the start of the main succession war conflict - we'll just have to see if 11th prince's group manages to pull off the assasination of Luzurus. Love that its indirectly affecting every faction because of how interconnected everything is!
Possible timeline of events:
-Successful assassination of Luzurus
- Cha-R (guys with flower tattoos) take notice Luzurus is missing and declare war with opposing Families; seek out Morena's group directly to start
-Troupe cements affiliation with Cha-R (before they realize 7th princes situation and war is declared)
Get roped up even further in conflict
-Upon hearing 7th prince is missing, Benjamin prepares to enact ML; but is attacked/stopped by Balkenburg before he starts
- Fugetsu's condition remains the same and we find out that Camila has sent Have- nots to their respective targets already and 14th prince is next
- Tserridnichs Military Envoy gets notice of mafia causing trouble and goes to inform him that he might be in danger, but gets stopped by Morena's group on the way and have to fight.
The main reason I'll be sad if Halk really kills Ben is that I want to see panels and panels of Furykov analyzing the second Nen class.
(and good call-out about Tserri's school pals in the Army, I do think we'll see more of them soon)
@ExtraOtter those actually haunted me during the 2018 break. Waking up in a cold sweat - fearing that walls of inner monologue text were hiding in my closet.. felt like with how much attention they got in the last batch, they'd likely get some more shine this time around. Couldnt remember before but apparently they dont know nen so it might be unlikely theyd fight the hei-ly.
Hopefully we can check in with Mizaistom and the zoldycks or some of the other Troupe members but if we get something like a Ging sighting I'll be stoked.
Thanks for your videos!
I'm actually really exicted to get back into the Mafia war as things are really about to get crazy. Almost all the pieces are being set for complete chaos
cheadles performance here does not give me faith for how we are gonna tackle a tiny dark continent virus
they way the royal doctors just give a thumbs up when halk dies makes me believe that they weren't giving their best efforts either, if it was up to cheadle and leorio i bet he would've lived longer even if it was a poison that's presumably incurable
Cheadle and her team were turned away and weren't allowed to help. Benjamin mentions sending a team of militiary doctors to monitor Halkenburg, then Cheadle and her team run into them and then Cheadle and Leorio are shown walking away from the room whilst Cheadle is scowling.
I wonder if Burg body’s death will trigger Benjamin baton, tipping him off that something sinister is going down. Either way the establishing shots of each remaining prince this chapter give me the impression that we are on the precipice of a slaughterhouse. Burg sounding more and more like Griffith has me considering for the first time that he may be joining the already stacked list of deadly antagonists… this is going to be nuts
Side note: I think Leorio’s silence here may say more than we think. Our boy is not exactly known for subtlety, and the fact he doesn’t say “what the fuck is that giant winged beast over the prince” confirms for me that the beast follows Berg’s mind
Halk's monologue in this chapter makes me think Benjamin Baton won't trigger until both body and soul are dead - so it triggered for Shikaku only after Halkenburg killed his soul (in Sumidori's body).
That would mean the Baton won't have gone off yet, since Balsamilco's soul is alive in Balsamilco's body. It's just asleep.
And yeah, the "ends justify the means" fanatics are the type to watch out for.
@@ExtraOtter I get that he's sounding like Griffith here, but Halk (like all Princes) is in a horrific moral situation. If he's becoming an antagonist by following his current path, what would a protagonist be doing instead?
@@azimuthal1392 I suppose trying to stop the war entirely like our boy Pika, but the Princes can't exactly afford to spend time thinking outside the box like he can. Halk did literally try to commit unalive before resolving himself to play the game. Between the nen beasts and psychopathy this is shaping up to be the most stressful Jojo part ever written
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The calculations made people believe that Halkenberg was extremely conscientious, but turns out he’s a degenerate gambler. Tserri and Isaac also share this overbearing sense of individuality, which is sort of misunderstood because of the Meruem v. Netero fight. That the fight stood for hard work versus talent, it was more unity versus individuality. And though I really don’t want Tserri to be a Netero (for no real reason), I can’t deny the obvious physical and mental similarities. Also Tserri would run Kakin like how Isaac ran the association.
My problem with Tserriednich as Beyond's kid is that while there are a lot of things that signal him being his son, we have to take into consideration Beyond's motive. Does he want to have control over Kakin? How does he accomplish that with Tserriednich? That's why I lean more for younger princes, more easy to control. If that's Beyond motive, then the queen is into the plan the same way Longhi's parents were Beyond's supporters, so the queen having control over a child makes more sense. But if there is a way to insert Tserriednich into Beyond's plan then it´s definitely him.
Also I feel like it depends on how much complexity does Togashi want to add. Making Tserri the son makes the narrative simpler, he's both Kurapika's and Longhi's target, but If he wants to make the story less direct and with more twist then Tserri is a bad choice.
I don't think the narrative is at any risk of being too simple! And a shocking twist about the Beyond baby wouldn't really make things more complex. "Unpredictability" =/= "Complexity"
As for Beyond's goal with his prince-son, we don't know either way. If he plans to stick around and rule Kakin by proxy, then a young pushover prince makes sense, but Beyond's not doing all this just to rule Kakin. He's got bigger fish to fry.
@@ExtraOtter I agree with Cabrafull that it would make the narrative simpler because Kurapika is already on the road to conflict with Tserri, so this would actually be turning two storylines into one, while if say it was Marayam that would create conflict between Longhi, Kurapika and Bisky/Hanzo, it's less about the unpredictability and more about the amount of variables involved.
@@angrashadow2958Tssrriednich is the most logical choice being Beyond kid. Because the fifth Kakin prince body guard stated that Beyond child is cunning and cold hearted he differently fits that analysis.
@@ExtraOtter Maybe using the word "complexity" was wrong on my part, is more like what angrashadow2958 said, Pika is "already on the road to conflict with Tserri". Don't get me wrong, I don't think the narrative would suffer because I believe that's entirely on the writer's ability and I trust togashi. That's why Tserri is still on my list of possible candidates (I have Marayam, Tserri, Tyson and Luzurus, the later one depending on if the theory that he is like Zhang is true or false).
I think it all depends on Beyond's motives for kakin, which unfortunately I think we are going to get after the real son reveal, but for know I think "having control of kakin to have unlimited access to dark continent" is the best reason.
The TSK 17 might spread on the boat. Remember Balsamico was going to carefully apply it and quarantine any possible speaders. That didnt happen. Leorio and Cheadle being there may end up being important
If Gel can't whip up a vaccine from that vomit sample, what good is she, huh?
@@ExtraOtter Or you know, Tubeppa's GSB. If anything can manufacture a cure on demand, it'd be that.
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Nen could fix it, but given how meruem was killed by the nuke, not netero's nen Buddha, I think technology is respected well in hxh and not instantly cured by nen so easily
Takes half a day to get going. Things could get really crazy if we dump a pandemic on top of everything. Didn't see any covid masks on halkenburg, but I did see alot of his supporters crowding his room for hours
I think given that halkenburg's arrows can pierce through walls, he might try to aim upstairs while marching from tier 3 and 2 to tier 1 with someone spotting for him. This would make for an insanely hard shot though but if anyone can do that kind of thing, it's him. If he misses due to some shenanigans by Melody and Kaiser doing their song thing, then we could end up with a Captain Ginyu situation lol.
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I agree with the theory of the justice bureau helping the Hei-ly family. Remember in the first chapters of the succession war Kurapika mentioned that the only way to avoid getting caught by the lying detector is by being manipulated or having a nen ability to lie. I don’t think he’s being manipulated he probably knows nen and is working with Beyond, Morena or a prince. on the other hand, if he’s being controlled it has be Morena with her nen ability contagion, if she kisses a person she can control them remotely. Leveling up is just one of her abilities.
if the justice bureau guy kills a prince and is infected, he is gonna level up real fast huh...
I was thinking that maybe her ability has conditions, for example: if you are from the Hei-ly mafia you’re part of the leveling up scheme and if you’re not she can control you/subtract information.
On the topic of Zhangcoins, Togashi may be inspired by the story of Judas selling Jesus for thirty pieces of silver.
Kurapika will do a Mr Krabs-esque vending machine trick with their zhangcoin, thus getting infinite nen
Succession War any% routing will never be the same
Considerin’ that Kurapika lets Emperor Time keep runnin’ like his life DOESN’T depend on it, he really should look into somethin’ like that.
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My hope is for Halkenburg to swap into the body of Camilla because Queen 2 told her to kill Halkenburg, and as much as I love her, Cammy is not exactly the smartest of the bunch. Halkenburg suddenly being in charge of the have-nots would massively change the war. Also if he tries to swap out of her and then whoever follower tries to kill themselves in Cammy's body then how would black cat react?
10:51 I see that it was noted, but I think it is actually rather important that Cheadle of all people gets kicked out of Halkenburgs room. She is the Chairwoman of the Hunter Association and I am pretty sure she is the leader of the medical team on the whale, but she doesn't have the authority to take care of a dying prince.
Well, she did take care of him for a bit! If there's a security concern, it is actually noteworthy that the Hunter Association can seemingly take charge of a collapsed prince for a while before the Kakin-approved doctors get there. (But Cheadle's not the type to poison anyone, so this gap in security probably won't matter?)
I have been wondering if TerrorSandwhich had a little Netero in his DNA.
Random prediction: tsubeppa (science prince) might have her ability copy the boot virus to use or analyze it.
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Just a quick thought on the Hunter association being able to operate on Haulk. They’re kind of a middle ground politically for the Princes, so when they did declare him dead it’s could be seen as a more valid proclamation than a personal medical team with political leanings. Ben did send in his guards + med team to verify I suppose but there could be a little more thought behind it.
What do we think Haulk’s end game is now? Sneak around in his new body hoping to be able to swap his followers into Princes? What swap gives him more power than he already had? Or is it just a means to an end if/after Haulk gained the ambition to win by killing all of the other princes?
I don’t think this swap got him any closer to possessing/eliminating Benjamin…which is enemy #1. If he swaps out of Balsamilco he either needs to eliminate him which will put Ben on red alert… or Balsamilco goes and spills the beans anyways. I don’t see him getting close enough or someone getting close enough to give Haulk a between the walls/floor trajectory without a crazy amount of swaps. Sure Ben thinks Haulk is dead, but like you said all the ways of getting out of Bal’s body are huge alarm bells.
Camilla is interesting as it could be a loop hole around her Nen. If she kills herself there’s nothing to steal the life essence from.
Taking over the Prince’s with mafia connections could give him intel/influence in those spheres, but do the Princes actually call the shots? Most mafias seem to be operating on their own. The easiest target would probably be Zhang Lei with his and his guard’s low understanding of nen which could also tie Kurapika into the Haulk plot line. (Do you think the coin would change if someone with a different soul possess it?) I don’t see Tserriednich getting hit as he is pretty isolated… or a cool scene with him seeing the arrow in parallel future could play out. And Luzurus could be another potential easy target but we’ll need to see how the Fugetsu/Melody plot plays out.
The swaps also seem like a way to get around other “safe room” plot points with Prince Marayam and Morena
Halkenberg's goal is to get Benjamin to try to take him out. In the 10 hours he got left before going back to his own body. Halkenberg probably knows Benjamin is wary type is careful how to speak with him. Halkenberg took a lot of risk. And Camilla she has very broken hastu ability return from death to get life essence. Every hastu has a flaw and counter to handle an nen user
Well, big-picture, Halk vs Ben as a major conflict feels right to me - they're secretly full brothers, they look the same, they're foils in terms of attitude and ability (Benjamin Baton selfishly exploits Ben's dead followers for the sake of the leader's strength, while Halkenburg selflessly includes himself among his followers instead and bears their burdens).
Maybe their final conflict is imminent, like Halk does have a plan that kills Ben while simultaneously getting Halk out of his current body predicament - it's hard for me to imagine because it should be pretty hard to fool Ben as "Balsamilco" in person. Or what happens next could just be step 1 of the Halkenburg plan and we'll be seeing the conflict stretch out longer.
I will personally be surprised if we get a shakeup as big as Ben's death this early on, so I lean towards the latter - but you never know! (Just let Furykov remain part of the story, I love that guy.)
@@ExtraOtter Ya I agree Ben vs Haulk is the main plot drive for both of the characters currently and I don’t think it’s going to end anytime soon. Kind of what I was pointing at with the comments on Haulk not gaining that much of an advantage with the Balsamilco swap.. we have a long way to go. Just fun to speculate where Haulk goes post swap and if he is eventually successful in taking out Ben where he goes from there. Only time will tell! Thanks for the response.
Best HxH channel.
Having a regular amount of otter is special enough as is - but to get Extra Otter? Now were talking
6:13 i wonder how important the number of followers is when he throws the arrow. in 375 we see 14 followers around him, which in theory are more loyal than civilians, but there were 12 civilians when he shot balsamilco, so it's not about the "amount of loyalty" around him when he fires the shot. maybe the fact that he's using civilians makes the ability work with less people?
Balkenburg does float the "works different w/ civilians" theory to Benjamin, but IMO it was a deliberate misdirect.
My working theory is that, "democracy" being a core principle of his, all that matters for charging Halk's bow (and being used as ammo) is bearing the mark of resolve. Past that, a mark is a mark is a mark - even Halkenburg's got the same mark and has the same chance of being swapped, because democracy.
Now, outside of the ability's direct mechanics, the followers aren't actually equal because his personal guards know way more about what's going on and would be much more useful in key enemy bodies. So they're more valuable to him in practice than civilian supporters.
Great video even though this chapter was pretty straight forward still a lot to digest!!
I do find it odd halkenberg giving up his body while it makes sense for who he has become and his power what will he do when he wins?
Hey guys btw I am halkenberg sure I look like hand maid no 349 even if the king signs off to help the legitimacy seems like a bad oversight but who knows maybe a previous war ended similarly? But I also don't see halkenberg's plan working he's getting as bold as Benjamin right now
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I have two questions:
1. Do you think that Nasubi may be a target for Halkenburg?
2. Do you think that this ability is truly random? Halk never got many attempts to try it. Maybe it is based on, somehow quantified, will to be sacrificed? I know, not much to be basing off here, just a thought
3. Not a question: I would find it extremely funny if many souls were swapped at a funeral, just a cherry on top of the 200 names we have to keep up with
1. Not particularly, no. Halkenburg isn't trying to stop the War anymore, he's trying to win it - he tells us explicitly that's the goal. That means his targets are the other princes, and if he's truly committed to winning, he doesn't have time to go after Nasubi instead.
2. Yes, I think it's fair and random. If it were weighted, that would go against the democratic principle core to Halkenburg's ideology. Everyone with the mark is equal and carries an equal risk!
3. Well, we wouldn't have to remember any of them if Halk cleaned up after himself. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.
@@ExtraOtter thanks, that's convincing. Can't wait for the mafia video!
Calling it now; Halkenberg will swap with the baby.
Then we cut forward 6 years to Halk just doing a whole Detective Conan thing (except he's running for office in a kid's body instead of solving crimes)
I find it very interesting that Halkenburg didn't choose to be the one swapping and I don't think it comes down to pure RNG.
The simple explanation is that his nen ability picks the person best suited for the task but my theory is that it comes down to rank, a guard for a guard and a prince for a prince, you have to give up someone of equal or superior rank. So if for example Halkenburg targeted a prince then his own soul would be forcibly the one to swap.
I think it would work well as a nen condition to make the ability as strong as it is. Moreover since Halkenburg wants to create a more equal society this contradiction in his ability could be there to represent how much his current path goes against his own nature.
It's not that it's only random but more like every one is equal in the eyes of this ability. Besides it's a coincidence that guards for guards have swapped so far.
Yeah, I agree. Valuing them differently goes against the central principle of democracy! The whole point is Halk has the same mark as any of his followers, they're not sorted into tiers.
@@SabertenthGurstu it isnt even a coincidence, he has guards with him when he shot people so unless he himself swapped it had to be a guard.
We know that Tserridnich has a bunch of the Scarlet eyes, but is it clear if HE was the one who commissioned the Kurta Massacre? Given that Tserri is highly likely to be Issac Neteros Grandson, its kinda chilling to think a Netero may be responsible for Kurapika's entire pain and motivation. At least, in this arc he surely will be.
We don't know Tserri's exact age but I *think* he's too young to be directly responsible there. Of course, Neon was quite young and she was driving up demand for rare body parts, so maybe young Tserri was indirectly involved in some way like that? But for now, my gut says no.
@ExtraOtter what do you think Halkenburg's plan A was ? Since him getting swapped with Balsamico himself is plan B, I wonder what was his main plan. I mean without proof of Halkenburg's death (which they wouldn't have if one of his followers switched with Balsamico instead of Halkenburg), Halkenburg's follower in Balsamico's body would have no way of getting close to Benjamin and possibly kamikaze him. I really can't think of a scenario where his plan A would actually achieve anything other than just getting rid of Balsamico who was there to kill him anyway. Maybe Halkenburg's follower would use Balsamico's body to kill other princes or guards which would made Benjamin a suspect since Balsamico is his subordinate? Any other ideas?
Yeah, I don't think we have to look that hard - the immediate benefit of swapping someone into Balsamilco is that Halkenburg doesn't immediately get assassinated for real, which Balsa considered to be 100% certain as things were going. As with the other swapped Ben soldiers, they'd probably experiment with him and use the body as best they could, but that's all just a bonus.
I don't like that Halkenburg's body is gone forever :(
I wonder if he'll end up in Benjamin's or if that's too obvious
On second thought I don't expect Halkenburg to have followers near him to allow him to use his technique on Benjamin
i wonder if he can use people loyal to might and not himself now.
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What would be the point of halkenburg going into balsamico if he just wants to get back out? Everyone would feel the rumbling and know he’s still alive if he just wanted to go back into a civilian. I think there’s some way for him to narrow down the options on who gets swapped that we haven’t learned about yet. Otherwise, he could have sent some random civilian into balsamico. I definitely think his next move is to finish off Benjamin in some way or another
Well, per Halk's own thoughts, the plan *was* to send a random follower into Balsamilco. This unlikely scenario where he's randomly selected as the swapper was just a contingency he also planned for.
@@ExtraOtter true, but I still am not sure why’d he kill his own body if his goal was just to get out of balsamico. I guess I can see how, if he were to send an arrow into a large crowd, he could basically hide his presence once again, even though his way to Benjamin would be cut off. Great videos btw, I look forwards to them
My goat halkenburg 😢
Halkenburg gonna end up in hisoka’s body somehow
I still dont understand that if Halkenburg poisoned his original body and talked to the phone with benjamin, he had to know about the plan in advance, but we still dont know how he knew that as far as I know
nvm I just remembered that he can access balsamilco's memories
Well, he took Balsa's body, so he had plenty of time to search himself and find the poison. After you find that, it's a pretty short jump to deducing that the plan was for Balsa to poison you.
I predict that Kurapika and Chrollo will team up to go after TerrorSandwich. He is their common enemy.
(I won’t be convinced that anyone else did that to Sarasa, makin’ Chrollo what he is. And we know TS has the Scarlet Eyes AND Pairo’s head. Kurapika is gonna go BALLISTIC!!!)
Kurapika realizing he has to work with Chrollo in order to keep Oito & Woble safe would be an extremely dramatic character moment! And yes, it's a common goal, the Troupe got on the ship initially to yoink some Kakin royal treasure.
But this can't happen until the Troupe settles its other business, which goes to show just how far away we are from the end of this thing.
I wonder if Nasubi is aware that Tserri isn’t his child, the rules being that you have to be a child of the wife and not the king was always weird to me. Morena has more claim to the throne than Tserri does (if he is the child).
Her ability does kinda seem like a nen beast ability, so maybe she actually is a participant.
Maybe that 14th coffin is for her and not the king himself.
Love the vids!
Nasubi's the one giving the really careful wording that contains the loophole, so it seems to me like he knows they're not all his kids. But he may not even care - whoever wins would make for the strongest king, which he thinks is what's best for Kakin, so that's good enough.
And thanks!