Sense and Sensibility and Siblings
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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In which I talk (with spoilers!) about siblings in Sense and Sensibility . . .
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Elinor and Jane Bennett both suffer hurt because the people around them don't realise how strong their affections are. No one is aware of the depth of Elinor's feelings and Mr Darcy assumes Jane does not have strong feelings towards Bingley and advises him not to marry her. So it looks like she carried forward this warning of "too much sense" being bad into Pride and Prejudice and Lydia could be the warning of "too much sensibility" in P&P too.
I was thinking of this same comparison with Jane Bennet, as I watched the vid!
Yes, good point and very interesting!
Margaret Dashwood (age 13) : "I like her. She talks about things. We never talk about things."
I love that line sooo much!
It truly resonates for me. The difference I discovered between my family who do talk about everything and my husband’s family they never talk about anything. Definitely a big learning curve for me. Thank you Jane for keeping me going for years and years!
This is from the 1990s film, is it? I don't know that adaptation as well, but it's a nice quote.
I really enjoyed my reread of Sense and Sensibility for JaneAustenJuly this year and for me the sibling relationships really stood out as well. Thank you so much for your analysis! Shame on John Dashwood for breaking his promise to care for Mrs Dashwood and the girls!
I always feel that there is a strong lingering suggestion / implication that John Ashwood would/could have been so much better a man, had he married a different woman. His better self is just out of reach, in a parallel universe, doing the right thing by his sisters and stepmother...
Yes, I agree, that's definitely finded!
As the eldest of four siblings, I can confirm that siblings all tend to gravitate toward opposites in a reaction against whatever their sibling values or exhibits. Jane Austen must have observed this very strongly among her own siblings. I wonder if Jane would classify herself as sense and Cassandra as sensibility!
That's a fascinating thought!
(Thinking about it, all of my Gen X life - continuing to this day - I have lived my own S&S sister pairing, with my one sibling: I, the older, am Sense - partly from natural inclination, partly from years of moulding into what came to feel like my expected role; she is Sensibility - with bells n whistles n neon signs...)
This is such an interesting discussion! I’ve never thought about the other sibling groups before. Thank you.
lol I never picked up on the ridiculousness of Robert spending all that time fussing over a toothpick case but you are 100% right. Just finished re-reading this a few days ago and absolutely love it even more.
Robert is an extraordinary character. Extraordinarily unappealing and ridiculous. The bonkersness of him being lured into marriage with Lucy is wild and hilarious. They deserve each other!
And he “my dear madam”s a lot😂😂
Just imagine that marriage!
I agree with you re Edward!! I love him! ❤
This was a fun video. I think Jane Austen does siblings so well, I can always relate coming from a sibling group of 6. Your discussion was really interesting and I enjoyed it very much 😊
I very much enjoyed re reading S&S . Also watched the BBC series and the Ang Lee film. As usual with Jane Austen the book is much better than the adaptations! I find the ending of the novel interesting: how important decisions are as they affect the family and community.
I definitely enjoyed this more on a re read.. The siblings are so much of the core and looking at them made it more fun
Thanks Katie I really enjoy your special, in-depth videos during Jane Austen July. This was another excellent study of siblings in Sense and Sensibility. 💕
Thanks, I enjoyed this. I never thought of siblings as a way to read it. I will next time 😊
The portion you read says that Eleanor had strong feelings but had learned to govern them. That’s different from what you said - that she knew how to hide them - I think it’s an important distinction. Eleanor had self-control and valued having self control. Maryanne had no self control primarily because she did not value it and therefore did not practice it. But that’s very different from hiding one’s emotions. There’s a different intention.
So many excellent observations. It is so true that we see Elinor & Marianne through their sibling's conversations with their mother--what a great point. And Austen does it so well, too. Thank you!
Thank you Katie!
I love these comparsions. Also interesting pair Brandon and his older brother
Oh yes, very true!
D: you didn't like sense and sensibility at first?! And I agree, I think I read it as a sibling story immediately, and the first time around I didn't think about the romance much, and this time I did evaluate the romances a bit more. Also, I like that I know someone who also likes mansfield park because that was my favourite austen for a while and I know so many people who don't like it at all. And it is so easy to forget the other siblings in the book because it is so focused on Elinor and Marianne, but the others are present too. Elinor is too polite for her own good sometimes, and that politeness can sometimes lead to the falseness. Which is something Marianne could learn to take from her book.
ROBERT FERRERS IS MY FAVOURITE S AND S CHARACTER!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂
I believe another reason why Marianne's emotions are exaggerated is because she’s a 16 year old teenager. Everything seems dramatic and over the top when you’re 16! 😂 This is one of my favorite Jane Austen novels and I very much enjoyed your analysis.
Fun and interesting video, and I hope you go ahead and do a video about Edward Ferrars; I agree he's underrated
Another future sibling relationship that I really enjoy is between Colonel Brandon and Edward Ferras, they genuinely seem to respect and like each other, not just because the women they love are sisters. This book I think is still my least favourite Austen, BUT since my last reread of it last year I do like it now, whereas before I'd found it boring (I did read it at 16 after reading P&P).
Yes, very true! I really like their friendship.
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It is Gina Stanyer Books. 📚💚
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I really struggled to finish it. I'm reading Northanger Abbey now.I'm enjoyng it😊.
The second time I read this I struggled with it, too. S&S is wordy, clunky in places, and reads like an early work. When you compare it to her three greater (but still delightful books..........the fresh and lively Pride and Prejudice, the perfect Emma, and the mature Persuasion) and more assured works, Sense comes up a little short, but Katie here points out the sense of promise and genius present, and how deeply felt this must have been to JA. You're correct to point out that Northanger is easier to digest (it is an odd, rather simple and short book), and, of course, Mansfield is quite serious and very much an outlier.
@@kevinrussell-jp6om I liked Persuasion and P&P very much. Emma, MP and Lady Susan are on my tbr list. 😉
@@erika20099 Lady Susan (the character) is SUCH a monster; it's amazing that the very young Jane produced this. Women seem to like the book more than men. LS is Wickham in a dress, but much cleverer and better looking.
I think Emma (the book) IS the best, but many don't like the character. As a realist, I find Emma the most believable of all those in the Austen stable.
Mansfield is an acquired taste. I think I need to re-read it.