@Speedruiner7213 Todays welcomed visitors to join our exercises: Brits, US Army, USMC, Swedes, Estonians, even French. We can only oogle the noncommitting attitude of Germans. Yeah, they are pacifist to fault after they had been kicked into teeth for over 75 years. Still, what reveals under all of it, is an Germany willing to lick Russian a*** every day and night. Do we need to buy weapons from country which is clearly on enemy camp? Finns buy most of the Rheinmetall 120mm tank gun ammo from Israel. Much reliable supplier than apologists Germany.
I agree with this. Learning layering is difficult for people with massive heatwaves and they are not ready for the winter condition. Also We have been developing our military almost 70 years so We definetly have better winter gear.
When comparing the camouflage and functionality in cold environment, OF COURSE our Finnish M05 gear is better in snow. Because it is designed exactly for the purpose. Generally speaking, the right personal gear is always a compromise. American troops are not expected to regularly operate in snowy terrain, at least not for long periods. Therefore it would not be practical to have those troops equipped with a full kit of the most fancy snow camo, which is only used very seldom, if at all. It is much better to have a relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn. You don't even have to wash it every week, not even every month. The more dirty it gets, the better camouflage in slush and dirty snow. Much more significant in cold enviroment is to know how to use your gear (no matter what kind of camo) in the right way. Covering the neck and head to prevent loss of heat, replacing wet socks with dry ones, and adding more layers when stationary, and removing layers for physical activity. Doing all these things too early rather than too late.
Thats because the army only has around two or three active arctic units and only one is in the regular army that being the 11th airborne division from alaska the other two are national guard units the soilders in the video are cavs from Germany
The Finnish winter camo seen in the video is a ''relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn''. Meant to just go over your normal gear. So many words but not much to say LOL
@@robottitopi8293 I just wanted to mention that the US snow suits are virtualy identical to Finnish ones used before M05. Funny thing is that AFAIK this is not an coincident.
Also its customary for many armies to use up older gear in training. Clothes do get worn and modern uniforms are far more than just bed sheet with fancy pattern on it, so if you got old stuff might just as well use it before you give them something more expensive.
the Finns will make one hell of an Allie. we have already had one war game with them when our paratroops parachuted right in on top of their HQ and didnt know it. they came out of the woodwork like cockroaches and defeated our paratroopers
This isn't an exactly fair comparison. 1/3 of the Finnish year is...winter. They have short Spring & Fall and long Winter's and Summers...so of course their winter gear is going to be superior to a Military that doesn't actually do a whole lot of winter training. I'd expect the Finns to be superior winter soldiers, just as I'd expect the Norwegians and Swedes to be... The real news of this is that US military is now training with the Finns on their own territory. I'd not expect a JournoList to understand the significance of that because we all know JournoList's are ignorant swine who only report what they are told to report and give an anti-US bias to anything they write.
Finnish camo is also specificly designed to work best in Finland. (They used AI to make the camo by providing it ton of pictures of Finnish nature). Americans tend to work more internationally. What ever they would try would never be as good as the local camo because every country is different.
Nothing wrong with few friendly jabs. I personally welcome U.S, British and onther international allies troops get proper winter training and we are happy to provide it.
As a Finn, I fully agree. This wasn't a fair comparison at all. These US troops probably wore skiis for the first time in their lives - and they did pretty good if you consider that. And that brother of ours who gave the show of Finns advancing on skiis.. well, he's experienced and I believe he was asked only to do a short sprint to show how it can be done. I can assure you, that's not the normal speed of our ski troops 😅 However, I think there are some things we can teach our new allies about arctic warfare - and I'm sure you'll have a lot you can teach us. After all, we've already have had mutual exercises for some time, so I think we both believe there are some things we can learn from each other.
I don't think that comparison is fair to Americans! They are not specifically equipped for arctic conditions. As long as there are warm clothes under that "Ku-Klux robe". The Finns will always fight in arctic conditions, that's why we have specially designed equipment for that. If someone from Arizona comes to practice arctic warfare for us, could we lend them our gear?
Not really a fair comparison, these are troops in training compared to veterans. The Yanks did pretty well in harsh conditions back in 1944, during the Battle of the bulge, without any proper winter gear.
Every Finn that's currently training is there for the purpose of training. Even those used in commercials. Service is obligatory and every man serves. And after the service everyone goes back to their civilian life. Both of these are troops in training.
I had those coverall whites when i did my national service in Finland 30 years ago. What you need to know is that when it's not a fully covered white winter you have thin white coveralls to use over your regular clothing. Could you imagine how much you would stand out if you moved to an area with no snow cover? Picture this , snow lasts so much longer in the forest and when to travel into a town already melted.
Also, you cant compare US troops on skis to Finns. Ofcource we are way better, and half platoon could be towed behind Nasu or BV. Finns have skied from age around 5 to 6 years of age.
@kimmoj2570 British Marines and USMC are truly usefull and quite competent units for warfighting in high north, even depths of winter. They are contrary to Germans in last wars, where we had to rescue them repeatedly. First they didn't believe us telling you can drink from streams in Finnish wilderness. After that they preferred to die in foxholes in minus 30 centigrade, not understanding that you lit fires to warm. Your own troops enemy does not move a weather Finnair flight.
Finns trained 20th Mountain Army for 3 years. They got quite competent. Its just history know. We could care less of the russian apologists state of Germany. Germany is willing to cross its all alliances with west to satisfy Putins demands.
Yes, exactly! As a finn this polarisational talk seems pointless -we are at the same side here, are we? We show you the snow and you show us the rattle snakes and desert. Right? The point is to learn from each other, or why should we train together? Nice to have you here and we are happy to learn from you.
Im saying it tongue in cheek. I am a veteran and have trained with Finns and other forign nations. The finns were good guys and I learned a lot from them. Comparing Armies by gear alone is silly.@@hanna4942
This video is obviously a joke but Finns do have pretty damn good desert camo M04 tho. (and fun little fact, Finnish special forces use Multicam Tropical camo, for some reason it blends quite well in Finnish forests.)
whadaya know, a kid from arizona who has only seen snow on the vhs copy of home alone can't ski? what horror, what shock... Still though, at least the layer over the gear is white and not, say, pink. some camo is better than no camo. turns out fighting in the desert against insurgents for like 30 years can leave your winter gear a bit lacking, but hey, they're trying and hopefully learning. up to the brass on top to get the boys the gear they need. 🙂
If i remember correctly, the finnish warhero Lauri Törni (us. Larry Thorne) actually did train the US troops for winter in USA when he joined the US army and became a ranger.
This is why you don't come knockin finnish doors during the winter. Summer is way different but it is really short. Finnish soldier is the only one in the world who can move faster in the snow than on plain summer plains.
@ 0:46 that’s a US Marine on the right with the MARPAT digital snow over whites. It’s better than the Army’s over whites, rare though. First time I’ve seen a snow MARPAT helmet cover too.
I would suggest what many on here are saying. But what you are seeing here is a standard issue of winter gear that only comes out once and a while. The Finns are masters in their environment. On the other hand. The Units that are stationed in Alaskia are getting more advanced winter gear as we speak. it's finally all been updated. and a steep price.
Exactly,, as a finn, our camo is made for our enviroment. Comparing general units gear to special artic gear is not fair. Naturally units serving at the cold enviroments get gear for it
In case i haven't posted this here before. US snow camo looks a lot like what we used to have before the current ones and propably still have some in storage. Did US troops bring their own or maybe borrowed? Also, US snow camo may have been designed by ex-finnish officers after ww2.
I think the best camo we had in the forest was using winter trousers and summer chest. If you are in the forest that works the best. Ofc if you are moving out of forest the full winter works the best.
Those white coveralls will get grey in no time and camouflage just fine. Finns have a little bit more advantage at early fight but even our uniforms would turn greyish after a while in conflict. Both uniforms are effective for winter.
So true, mocking the U.S is silly as snow camo isnt really for mobile operations, sure its nice to have but the "basic" idea of having superior firepower and speed is the basics of special units, just as the finnish tend to operate. Hit and run are still the tactics most countries use. Uniforms nowdays more serve to identify invidituals
The Muricans look like Finnish Winter War soldiers with their skis and the snow suits. I’m Finnish, and I think that our recent fighting gear looks very good.
Having used both Finn and US kit here in Alaska I can tell you Finnish gear is far from the best. Its probably just as good as US kit but from item to item you can get junk and you can get something that works well..
Basic Finnish infantry kit is well quite basic, probably on par with US kits. Finnish winter kits are quite basic also. Thought now days quite many units get really modern kits. Buying and adding your own winter equipment makes huge difference.
Did you buy your "Finnish" gear on the net? Or actually in Finland? Net is Chinese copy BS. The gear we use in Finland is superb for winter warfare or even civilian outdoors working. Here in the Nordic we NEVER rely on internet BS shops but buy it directly from those who know what they are selling.
It's basically just a large poncho over greens. It's like they all pulled out white waterproofs. It is exactly what it says on the tin: they are using something temporary that works for its purpose and then isn't used again. It's nothing to compare, it's like the Finnish walking onto a US base in summer in white uniform.
Finnish troops will fight primarily in Finland, and their gear is specifically adapted for that. America, well, we get to fight everywhere-and, a generic white over uniform will work equally as well in Finland, as it would in the Arctic, Russia, Alaska, the mountains of the mideast-essentially, anywhere there is snow. Remember, us Americans made a uniform camo pattern that worked disasterously, and cost millions. Because some civvy yahoo wanted a "one pattern for all terrain" idea. Shit doesnt work like that. So, snow camo overalls in all white, can work for any soldier, in any snow climate-and costs about $15 to make per soldier.
Gold!!! the same thing, when a marine from California came up to me and his boots was out of batteries in -15 c…. Hihihi find a charger I said and went off…
I firmly believe in the military as an American and I for one, think the US and Finland should get better snow uniforms because JTF2 has the 💯 coolest, dopest, uniform you will EVER see and cannot be bested
Lets be real here the US military fights throughout the world in different environments and Finland is a self defense force which obviously deals with mainly winter and summer woodland conditions. I wonder how Finlands desert training is? Do they have tan commo uniforms and tan paint schemes on there vehicles hahahahah By the way the US military in Alaska always have huge winter warfare exercises including large Airborne exercises with all types of winter type vehicles like snow cats geared for combat. Plus the 10th Mountain Division of of FT. Drum,NY on the Canadian border are expert mountain/winter warfare unit
Finnland doesn't need desert camo becouse they don't go around invading other nations playing hero while doing so and arrest people like Julian Assagne who expose them. 🤷
It wasent that long ago we had the exact same white sheets as winter garment. Still do on reservist unists we get the shit the good stuff is pretty rare anyways unless u buy your own.
The US camo is the same as the Canadians and looks like a bag because it is made to be worn over your coat and equipment to protect it from the harsh environment and to help break your shape. It is very effective and if you add white boots, gloves, headgear, wrap on your weapon, you can literally fire on the enemy while remaining invisible. Think of it as a simple ghillie suit for the snow. I would expect the Finns have something similar. -45F is my record for winter warfare, what is yours? ❄❄❄
Well us army looks like it looks however you had one member of the marine core who worn other winter overwhites in winter marpat. As for finns, well they live in such environment that needs winter camo😅
This is not making fun of the US, but more like showing there is something we Finns can give to the US military. Arctic is really important for USA...like Greenland...Finland has skills how to do it.
Funnily enough Finland actually has an actual desert version of the M05 pattern as well. It was adopted a year earlier than the woodland and desert variants for potential involvement in the middle east, getting the name M04. And some Finns did end up deploying in Afghan.
we should sell them uniforms if havent already. propably will be nato standard winter gear for many countries. we all benefit from this and in future we all have best gears and so on^^ nice to american troops training with us.
it is not. the AA has opted for a ceapo for as long as i have been alive... and I am a Finn. This is usuall superpowernation "spending cut thing.." they do not need the topshelf gear.. they will just make another "save private ryan" movie some years later and save a billion.
Those hefty boys were in fact on earth baddest dudes. Simo Häyhä ring a bell? I can put on this list many finnish commanders. Or just fat youngling and foreingers. You might get this as "hate talk" but it is the true.
Why did they show up? Maybe they are trying to learn... I have seen the marine core try. they try hard. skis? It does take em couple of decades to try. but they do try. This video is not even the most "fail-armyish" of the muricans trying to manage the arctic.. plainly put: they would just die due the elements ETC. There is a reason, the "murican" volenteers, were not put to the frontlines within the winterwar. Nowadays a fair number of em equal to a finnish conscript because they try. And thats a fair bit of trying in my books. Unless you have a homestead in Alaska... Do not think you can "hack it" here. all the best~
US troops, like Russians, use snow parka over other uniform. Finnish first line units use dedicated winter uniform which does not need extra layer on top if it. Ofcourse Finnish uniform is better, but it is also expensive, and limited on its usage.
Also the usage of the finnish snow camo is far from limited on it's usage seeing how winter is the longest season in finland lasting a third of the whole year
Obviously the Finnish Army is more experienced in their own weather conditions than foreigners. But don't forget that 50% of the Finnish arsenal and equipment is U.S. made.
@@rasmus5079 i want to know this figure aswell... last time i checkd that held true only on spending wise and thats just the F-35 and and the rocketlaunchers, missiles... what not.. its damn close....then again when majority of US peeps see Finnish F/A-18 they think its hand down legasy hornet.. when it is actually buit in here under a lisence.
@@duhni4551 Oh I agree plain white isn’t the best. Guys will break up the white with some foliage patterns spray painted on. I couldn’t tell but definitely over layer is the way to go! Finnish gear seems to always be well made.
@@duhni4551 I only really know about your countries beauty and tough winter! But that is the best part about being allies, training together and learning from each others military.
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Finn here:
Don't be harsh on them, they are training and trying to learn.
@Speedruiner7213 Todays welcomed visitors to join our exercises: Brits, US Army, USMC, Swedes, Estonians, even French. We can only oogle the noncommitting attitude of Germans. Yeah, they are pacifist to fault after they had been kicked into teeth for over 75 years. Still, what reveals under all of it, is an Germany willing to lick Russian a*** every day and night. Do we need to buy weapons from country which is clearly on enemy camp?
Finns buy most of the Rheinmetall 120mm tank gun ammo from Israel. Much reliable supplier than apologists Germany.
I agree with this. Learning layering is difficult for people with massive heatwaves and they are not ready for the winter condition. Also We have been developing our military almost 70 years so We definetly have better winter gear.
olin kommentoimas saman asian :D
American here: be harsh on us
@@arthurmead5341I think there are services that fulfill any and all masochist urges, you naught boy.
If anyone knows something about war during the winter, that's the Finns for sure
One important thing to learn is never to complain about the cold within an earshot of the instructor. Otherwise he'll keep everybody warm! 😉
and swedes
@finnwarrior and alaskans
@finnwarrior Pidä vaan ne ryssät pois luvusta. Eihän ne osaa edes sotia kunnolla :D
Russians know to well how a small,tiny insignificant Country gave them a bloody nose.
When comparing the camouflage and functionality in cold environment, OF COURSE our Finnish M05 gear is better in snow. Because it is designed exactly for the purpose.
Generally speaking, the right personal gear is always a compromise. American troops are not expected to regularly operate in snowy terrain, at least not for long periods. Therefore it would not be practical to have those troops equipped with a full kit of the most fancy snow camo, which is only used very seldom, if at all. It is much better to have a relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn. You don't even have to wash it every week, not even every month. The more dirty it gets, the better camouflage in slush and dirty snow.
Much more significant in cold enviroment is to know how to use your gear (no matter what kind of camo) in the right way. Covering the neck and head to prevent loss of heat, replacing wet socks with dry ones, and adding more layers when stationary, and removing layers for physical activity. Doing all these things too early rather than too late.
Thats because the army only has around two or three active arctic units and only one is in the regular army that being the 11th airborne division from alaska the other two are national guard units the soilders in the video are cavs from Germany
The Finnish winter camo seen in the video is a ''relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn''. Meant to just go over your normal gear.
So many words but not much to say LOL
@@robottitopi8293
I just wanted to mention that the US snow suits are virtualy identical to Finnish ones used before M05. Funny thing is that AFAIK this is not an coincident.
Also its customary for many armies to use up older gear in training. Clothes do get worn and modern uniforms are far more than just bed sheet with fancy pattern on it, so if you got old stuff might just as well use it before you give them something more expensive.
perfect answer
the Finns will make one hell of an Allie. we have already had one war game with them when our paratroops parachuted right in on top of their HQ and didnt know it. they came out of the woodwork like cockroaches and defeated our paratroopers
and year or 2 beforethat, they use tinder to find command centers.... what a out of box thinking.. conscrpits
@@jammbamm4024 they use what works to win. thats what counts
That sounds like fun time! "Look, it's raining Airborne!" :D
Glad to have you guys as allies.
And they weren't even our top fighting troops. They were specialized in communications and signalling.
Every military has its own area of expertise. Finland's is Winter warfare, America's is...well...everything else.
Summer too
We Finns do great at the other things too ;)
U mean nothing else right? Try fighting a modern developed country and keep talking abt low casualties..
😂
Well... Quantity has a quality all its own. That's a one thing US is better... 😉
This isn't an exactly fair comparison. 1/3 of the Finnish year is...winter. They have short Spring & Fall and long Winter's and Summers...so of course their winter gear is going to be superior to a Military that doesn't actually do a whole lot of winter training. I'd expect the Finns to be superior winter soldiers, just as I'd expect the Norwegians and Swedes to be...
The real news of this is that US military is now training with the Finns on their own territory. I'd not expect a JournoList to understand the significance of that because we all know JournoList's are ignorant swine who only report what they are told to report and give an anti-US bias to anything they write.
True and a good point. We train together to learn from each others, after all, we are allies.
Finnish camo is also specificly designed to work best in Finland. (They used AI to make the camo by providing it ton of pictures of Finnish nature).
Americans tend to work more internationally. What ever they would try would never be as good as the local camo because every country is different.
Their summer camo looks also very badass, one of the best (M05). The pattern is so good Russia copied it (NyTimes)
Nothing wrong with few friendly jabs. I personally welcome U.S, British and onther international allies troops get proper winter training and we are happy to provide it.
As a Finn, I fully agree. This wasn't a fair comparison at all. These US troops probably wore skiis for the first time in their lives - and they did pretty good if you consider that. And that brother of ours who gave the show of Finns advancing on skiis.. well, he's experienced and I believe he was asked only to do a short sprint to show how it can be done. I can assure you, that's not the normal speed of our ski troops 😅
However, I think there are some things we can teach our new allies about arctic warfare - and I'm sure you'll have a lot you can teach us. After all, we've already have had mutual exercises for some time, so I think we both believe there are some things we can learn from each other.
American look like mosa
I don't think that comparison is fair to Americans! They are not specifically equipped for arctic conditions. As long as there are warm clothes under that "Ku-Klux robe". The Finns will always fight in arctic conditions, that's why we have specially designed equipment for that. If someone from Arizona comes to practice arctic warfare for us, could we lend them our gear?
yea well this is a goofy edit but I agree it's not fair but yall can take this as a lesson of some kind
Do you finns even know about ku klux and why the significance of that??
@@thoughts4872it was just a joke brother
Finnish army is so prepared, love from Sweden ❤
Hugs from a nation bro
Not really a fair comparison, these are troops in training compared to veterans. The Yanks did pretty well in harsh conditions back in 1944, during the Battle of the bulge, without any proper winter gear.
Every Finn that's currently training is there for the purpose of training. Even those used in commercials. Service is obligatory and every man serves. And after the service everyone goes back to their civilian life. Both of these are troops in training.
Finland is snow & ice most of the time. Makes sense they’d invest in a good Winter military camo. The US is mostly desert woodland.
we have plenty of woods hence not totally white camo.
I had those coverall whites when i did my national service in Finland 30 years ago. What you need to know is that when it's not a fully covered white winter you have thin white coveralls to use over your regular clothing. Could you imagine how much you would stand out if you moved to an area with no snow cover? Picture this , snow lasts so much longer in the forest and when to travel into a town already melted.
0:43 is a finnish solider (left) and US Soldier (right)
their overwhites Look pretty comperable to eachother
lol I bet they didn't mean to post that clip
Also, you cant compare US troops on skis to Finns. Ofcource we are way better, and half platoon could be towed behind Nasu or BV. Finns have skied from age around 5 to 6 years of age.
@kimmoj2570 British Marines and USMC are truly usefull and quite competent units for warfighting in high north, even depths of winter. They are contrary to Germans in last wars, where we had to rescue them repeatedly. First they didn't believe us telling you can drink from streams in Finnish wilderness. After that they preferred to die in foxholes in minus 30 centigrade, not understanding that you lit fires to warm. Your own troops enemy does not move a weather Finnair flight.
Finns trained 20th Mountain Army for 3 years. They got quite competent. Its just history know. We could care less of the russian apologists state of Germany. Germany is willing to cross its all alliances with west to satisfy Putins demands.
Stop with that bullshit. I've seen enough Finns ski around in the miltiary and most of the time it's not much better than that.
This comparison got me weak 😅
Now FInland can demonstrate it's desert and jungle warfare prowess.
oh, wait..
Calm down, it’s just a joke. Obviously the US has better desert and jungle equipment.
Yes, exactly! As a finn this polarisational talk seems pointless -we are at the same side here, are we? We show you the snow and you show us the rattle snakes and desert. Right? The point is to learn from each other, or why should we train together? Nice to have you here and we are happy to learn from you.
Im saying it tongue in cheek. I am a veteran and have trained with Finns and other forign nations. The finns were good guys and I learned a lot from them.
Comparing Armies by gear alone is silly.@@hanna4942
This video is obviously a joke but Finns do have pretty damn good desert camo M04 tho. (and fun little fact, Finnish special forces use Multicam Tropical camo, for some reason it blends quite well in Finnish forests.)
@@hanna4942 I totally agree. I see it as a giggle between comrades. One of my best friends is a Finn, such a hyva poika.
whadaya know, a kid from arizona who has only seen snow on the vhs copy of home alone can't ski? what horror, what shock... Still though, at least the layer over the gear is white and not, say, pink. some camo is better than no camo. turns out fighting in the desert against insurgents for like 30 years can leave your winter gear a bit lacking, but hey, they're trying and hopefully learning. up to the brass on top to get the boys the gear they need. 🙂
I like how the music keeps changing 😂
If i remember correctly, the finnish warhero Lauri Törni (us. Larry Thorne) actually did train the US troops for winter in USA when he joined the US army and became a ranger.
This is why you don't come knockin finnish doors during the winter. Summer is way different but it is really short. Finnish soldier is the only one in the world who can move faster in the snow than on plain summer plains.
They should have shopped at Varusteleka before training 😂
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@ 0:46 that’s a US Marine on the right with the MARPAT digital snow over whites. It’s better than the Army’s over whites, rare though.
First time I’ve seen a snow MARPAT helmet cover too.
I would suggest what many on here are saying. But what you are seeing here is a standard issue of winter gear that only comes out once and a while. The Finns are masters in their environment. On the other hand. The Units that are stationed in Alaskia are getting more advanced winter gear as we speak. it's finally all been updated. and a steep price.
Exactly,, as a finn, our camo is made for our enviroment. Comparing general units gear to special artic gear is not fair. Naturally units serving at the cold enviroments get gear for it
In case i haven't posted this here before. US snow camo looks a lot like what we used to have before the current ones and propably still have some in storage. Did US troops bring their own or maybe borrowed? Also, US snow camo may have been designed by ex-finnish officers after ww2.
the american ones look like what the finns used back in 1939 😂
the US hasnt fought in snowy areas primarily since like...Korea... wouldnt make sense to outfit them with fancy snow gear
I think the best camo we had in the forest was using winter trousers and summer chest. If you are in the forest that works the best. Ofc if you are moving out of forest the full winter works the best.
Those white coveralls will get grey in no time and camouflage just fine. Finns have a little bit more advantage at early fight but even our uniforms would turn greyish after a while in conflict. Both uniforms are effective for winter.
So true, mocking the U.S is silly as snow camo isnt really for mobile operations, sure its nice to have but the "basic" idea of having superior firepower and speed is the basics of special units, just as the finnish tend to operate. Hit and run are still the tactics most countries use. Uniforms nowdays more serve to identify invidituals
cant america just buy some of the finish uniforms for winter operations? cant be that expensive to buy uniforms.
There's no coming out alive from a gunfight in the snow against Finns on skis.
Looks like disposable Tyvek "bunny suits" used for visitors in the O.R.
The american soldiers gear looks like finland in the winter war
wrong shade of white though.
The Muricans look like Finnish Winter War soldiers with their skis and the snow suits. I’m Finnish, and I think that our recent fighting gear looks very good.
Having used both Finn and US kit here in Alaska I can tell you Finnish gear is far from the best. Its probably just as good as US kit but from item to item you can get junk and you can get something that works well..
Basic Finnish infantry kit is well quite basic, probably on par with US kits. Finnish winter kits are quite basic also. Thought now days quite many units get really modern kits. Buying and adding your own winter equipment makes huge difference.
Did you buy your "Finnish" gear on the net? Or actually in Finland?
Net is Chinese copy BS.
The gear we use in Finland is superb for winter warfare or even civilian outdoors working.
Here in the Nordic we NEVER rely on internet BS shops but buy it directly from those who know what they are selling.
the americans aren't used to snow, dont compare them in that field they are military too
It's basically just a large poncho over greens. It's like they all pulled out white waterproofs. It is exactly what it says on the tin: they are using something temporary that works for its purpose and then isn't used again. It's nothing to compare, it's like the Finnish walking onto a US base in summer in white uniform.
these guys don't even have all their gear painted white
I was getting ready to defend the USA, then I watched the comparison between the uniforms. The title is accurate.
The US troops outfit looks simular to WW2 winter gear
No one can understand the terrain better than those that love their country. America is best when we work together with other organized governments.
Finnish troops will fight primarily in Finland, and their gear is specifically adapted for that. America, well, we get to fight everywhere-and, a generic white over uniform will work equally as well in Finland, as it would in the Arctic, Russia, Alaska, the mountains of the mideast-essentially, anywhere there is snow.
Remember, us Americans made a uniform camo pattern that worked disasterously, and cost millions. Because some civvy yahoo wanted a "one pattern for all terrain" idea. Shit doesnt work like that. So, snow camo overalls in all white, can work for any soldier, in any snow climate-and costs about $15 to make per soldier.
Gold!!! the same thing, when a marine from California came up to me and his boots was out of batteries in -15 c…. Hihihi find a charger I said and went off…
I firmly believe in the military as an American and I for one, think the US and Finland should get better snow uniforms because JTF2 has the 💯 coolest, dopest, uniform you will EVER see and cannot be bested
Lets be real here the US military fights throughout the world in different environments and Finland is a self defense force which obviously deals with mainly winter and summer woodland conditions. I wonder how Finlands desert training is? Do they have tan commo uniforms and tan paint schemes on there vehicles hahahahah By the way the US military in Alaska always have huge winter warfare exercises including large Airborne exercises with all types of winter type vehicles like snow cats geared for combat. Plus the 10th Mountain Division of of FT. Drum,NY on the Canadian border are expert mountain/winter warfare unit
Finnland doesn't need desert camo becouse they don't go around invading other nations playing hero while doing so and arrest people like Julian Assagne who expose them. 🤷
Also about you're winter warfare in Alaska the US marines had a training exercise against Finnish forces and lost the Finns clapped them.
It wasent that long ago we had the exact same white sheets as winter garment. Still do on reservist unists we get the shit the good stuff is pretty rare anyways unless u buy your own.
The US camo is the same as the Canadians and looks like a bag because it is made to be worn over your coat and equipment to protect it from the harsh environment and to help break your shape. It is very effective and if you add white boots, gloves, headgear, wrap on your weapon, you can literally fire on the enemy while remaining invisible. Think of it as a simple ghillie suit for the snow. I would expect the Finns have something similar. -45F is my record for winter warfare, what is yours? ❄❄❄
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I really need the first guys kit.
If anyone knows,please tell me.
Ok this was hilarious. Not anywhere comparable though. Finns are snow troopers, others might not. - a Finn :D
Taking at piss at your friend...well, you just don't do that.
the way they film the finns and the music they put and how they put it in slow mo makes a big difference
Nothing beats Multicam, all world's military will join the Multicam gravemind soon.
Considering that most of our country doesn’t get crazy cold I’m not bothered too much. We’ll get there soon enough.
I,m a Finn.. And i wonder how Finnish desert camo looks like...
Well us army looks like it looks however you had one member of the marine core who worn other winter overwhites in winter marpat. As for finns, well they live in such environment that needs winter camo😅
Those bags were the ones Noreay used..... In ww2......
Looks like a disposable raincoat, except for snow.
What song plays in the background when the soldiers of the Finnish army are shown
This is not making fun of the US, but more like showing there is something we Finns can give to the US military. Arctic is really important for USA...like Greenland...Finland has skills how to do it.
Aw that's cute. It's like a pre-pubescent boy trying to flex on his dad.
i like to see fins on desert... maybe somal , irag , afgan, africa , etc, remember the difference and experience.
Funnily enough Finland actually has an actual desert version of the M05 pattern as well. It was adopted a year earlier than the woodland and desert variants for potential involvement in the middle east, getting the name M04. And some Finns did end up deploying in Afghan.
dont make fun of our korean war winter gear it still works
This video actually says nothing...
The U.S. ones look a bit like the Finnish winter uniforms of WW2
we should sell them uniforms if havent already. propably will be nato standard winter gear for many countries. we all benefit from this and in future we all have best gears and so on^^ nice to american troops training with us.
Nandesh Nandiya Solutions Honor God has been presented for cooperation and support in such areas. It can be packed and used in tool box.etc🙂✊🇺🇸
If the US were to fight a prolonged war in the snow, I'm sure they'd get more specialized gear as well.
Totally stupid comparison 😬
it is not. the AA has opted for a ceapo for as long as i have been alive... and I am a Finn.
This is usuall superpowernation "spending cut thing.." they do not need the topshelf gear..
they will just make another "save private ryan" movie some years later and save a billion.
The Finnish camo doesn’t have enough mud stains on it, inaccurate
Now show the finish army in the desert
there is no need for us to go start wars built on lies
We can careless what the uniform looks like, can you fight. That all that matters
You can compare the Finish army to LA Fire Dept. that would be a better comparison.
you sure seem to need it. (its not the size... it's how you use it.)
What?
@CombatArmsChannel As a Finn would love your take on this 😂😂it is made in a funny joking way
let them leave alone with the russia , and we can finally figure out whose camo's is the best.
Any time. Russians can't invade even poor Ukraine.
Military times should pay for it
Oh no is the are you're feelings hurt how sad, wait till you learn that finnland crushed you're marines in a force on force training exercise.
The title of the video is cringe, the USA has other winter uniforms...
Those hefty boys were in fact on earth baddest dudes. Simo Häyhä ring a bell?
I can put on this list many finnish commanders. Or just fat youngling and foreingers.
You might get this as "hate talk" but it is the true.
This is stupid, yes Finland is specialized to winter farware, but are now part of NATO. Its good to learn from each another, not to mock them.
Check out US military Fat Camps.
Just a fact. It is scary to ponder.
Why did they show up?
Maybe they are trying to learn...
I have seen the marine core try.
they try hard.
skis? It does take em couple of decades to try.
but they do try. This video is not even the most
"fail-armyish" of the muricans trying to manage the arctic..
plainly put: they would just die due the elements ETC.
There is a reason, the "murican" volenteers, were not put to the frontlines within the winterwar.
Nowadays a fair number of em equal to a finnish conscript because they try.
And thats a fair bit of trying in my books.
Unless you have a homestead in Alaska...
Do not think you can "hack it" here.
all the best~
Slow is smooth smooth is fast
Damn this vid was too harsh 😂
US troops, like Russians, use snow parka over other uniform. Finnish first line units use dedicated winter uniform which does not need extra layer on top if it. Ofcourse Finnish uniform is better, but it is also expensive, and limited on its usage.
Actually, the snow camo m05 is a cover. The outer cover does not provide much insulation, so additional layers are necessary.
Also the usage of the finnish snow camo is far from limited on it's usage seeing how winter is the longest season in finland lasting a third of the whole year
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We got the idea from Russian WW2 !! 💪😁👍🇺🇲
Imagine having a functional optic on your rifle.
American uniforms are obsolete just like most of their tactics. U.S. winter uniforms and gear are pathetic.
We should leave NATO.
It is not so serious😉
click bait
Ok now make the Finns fight in afghanistan
They were fighting there.
yeah but all the finns know is snow😭
mr cool beans we have half a year of not winter we know other things than snow
Mum would send us to school in trash bags on rainy days
I anticipated that the headline was going to be clickbate.
It wasn't 😂
Look at em little mericans learning to ski!!!
The fins are gay so it doesnt matter
O.k., now show us the siberian 🤔 😏!!!
Finnish winter gear is still superior 😌
Obviously the Finnish Army is more experienced in their own weather conditions than foreigners.
But don't forget that 50% of the Finnish arsenal and equipment is U.S. made.
where did you get this number from
@@rasmus5079 i want to know this figure aswell... last time i checkd that held true only on spending wise and thats just the F-35 and and the rocketlaunchers, missiles... what not.. its damn close....then again when majority of US peeps see Finnish F/A-18 they think its hand down legasy hornet.. when it is actually buit in here under a lisence.
What 50% would that be XD, is education illegal in USA?
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Military Times doesn’t know what overwhites are? Lmao
I think the point is that completely white color shines in snow making you easy target. Finnish uniforms are over layer too btw.
@@duhni4551 Oh I agree plain white isn’t the best. Guys will break up the white with some foliage patterns spray painted on. I couldn’t tell but definitely over layer is the way to go! Finnish gear seems to always be well made.
@@ToxicNova5 Has to be, we have all seasons here. The idea of overlayers was borrowed from USA btw =)
@@duhni4551 I only really know about your countries beauty and tough winter! But that is the best part about being allies, training together and learning from each others military.
@@ToxicNova5 No worries, it is not that serious 😄
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