Bart gets to the heart of the matter at 12:30. If you want to continue bluffing turn, a club or any Broadway card would give your hand additional equity, or allow you to represent additional turned nut hands, and you need additional equity versus his continuing range as that range gets stronger and stronger. Dude 3-bet you and called a postflop x/r, he has something. QJs is the worst hand he could have. I agree with caller that it is folly to barrel this turn without stuffing the river, but this was not the best candidate on the turn. I don't really mind it on the flop as you block AA and JJ, two hands which would always bet-call. And you have reasonable equity against KK and QQ with your ace. But you gotta hit the half of the deck that gives you something on the turn. Personally if I were villain holding KK, I would simply resolve on the flop to call down any brick run-outs because you have so many gutters and open enders in your range and you probably don't defend j8s. On brick run-outs you have only 9 combos of thick value. So if I can find even 6 combos of bluffs then I should be calling down with my bluff catchers. I think most players would raise-call 88 and preflop and then think "well fuck it i have mountains of equity vs any hand and I'm not giving away free overcards to this limp-dick bet" and raise and barrel off at least the turn. Looking at QJs, 98s, kjs, you might have a similar thought process, and that's like 20 combos now of junk. If you bluff all your "natural" bluffs on a wet board like this, you'll just end up with way too many of them. If there were a straight you could have in your range on the board, you could bluff slightly more. But its way too easy to have too many bluffs as a live poker player. Most of these candidates probably are bluffed at some frequency but you need to either randomize with your watch to give up some of the time or simplify by giving up with some subset of the hands, or based on how your range interacts with various turns. And exploitatively you also have to ask, if he thinks you're full of shit on the turn when the pot is already over 150bb, how often are guys making big folds?
Yeah; I am also pretty much with Bart on this one: C/R flop is certainly not terrible in itself, but we are likely way over-bluffing if we use AJs. (Unless we can randomize perfectly) Turn brings a terrible card for us; - at least now it is the time to fully go onto the brakes with this holding, C/F all the way.
Lmao Bart's sick brags crack me up. Especially in this one where he mentions that he's the one that "helped that guy get that job" that had nothing to do with the convo and contributed nothing to the convo other than brag lmao 🤣
Ran this myself 1) 1/3 cbet is very standard at 200bb (I know you are deeper stack, but at deeper stack in general small cbet here in 3BP is standard). 2) The strongest back door flush draws AhQh AhJh on the turn are close to pure check and the other combo draws continue to barrel. hero's hand pure check on the turn and AhJh is 14% barrel. 3) On the river QQ JJ and most Tx are checking. Bluffs are still coming from hands like A8s / KQs / KJs (prefers not having hearts). But @Bart don't always barrel when you pick up equity after XR. Strongest ace high fd will play XC. Mix in some XR-XR with KJh, TT, 99, and T9s.
Look at the stack sizes. Look at the $35 open. Its essentially a deep 2/5 game. Its only 1/3 because he said thats the highest limit that room runs. 1/3 newbs arent going to be playing with a few K in front of them.
@@theejayzeeable did you watch the analysis? Hero said villain was not folding aces or kings at the end after the hand was finished. That literally means "I haz top pair, I'm not folding". Level 1 thinking
@@CapLobo uh no, it's more so because what hero is representing. That's why he would call with kings or aces. Notice he didnt say any overpair including Queens or Jack's? Because if you know anything at all, even though they are basically the same hand strength given current action, queens and Jack's block a significant portion of heros bluffing range. His KQs KJs J10s Q10s QJs J9s all heavily blocked by queens and jacks.
It’s 1/3/6 - the straddle is effective. Which means he has a shade under 400bb’s With the larger live open sizes and in turn 3bets this is not hard to do. As you can see a very small raise on flop (which was only to the original flop pot size) then 70% turn and a small overbet river is enough to get all in. So let me ask you this, if you have a set of 10’s here are you happy to get shove stacks in? What about if you flopped a straight after a looser defend with J8 for example? If you shove for value, are you saying you never have bluffs? If so then nobody paying attention will ever pay you on your value unless your just playing with degens however even then a lot of them are not stupid. I get off expressions from people when I bluff off stacks, however they are terrified to play pots with me when I start pressing the raise buttons, so many times they don’t value bet against me properly because they are scared, they pay off lighter than they even should at times so they don’t feel pushed around meanwhile I’m well aware how scared they are and if I ever face real aggression especially through raises it’s just the nuts and I never pay them. So yea, I lose a stack every now and then however the compensation I get is much more. As a good rule if your in a spot where you would take an action with a value bet then you should be prepared to do the same with a bluff. Or keep telling yourself everyone in your game calls and there is no point.
@@jasonhounsell3297 Terrified? Relax son nobody is terrified at 10cent/25cent. I do agree with what you are saying. Part of getting paid off is being willing to put money in the pot with nothing and getting called. This hand was atrocious. Calling a check raise on the flop screams strength
@@greatwhite3676 You know that there is plenty of lines where BOTH players have strong ranges. By the logic of if a hand screams strength then no 4bet pot ever gets bluffed at. Also calling that check raise isn’t as strong as you think. He’s getting a price and must continue with around 60% the hands he Cbet. In this video he assumed it was a range bet and it might be correct, which means he’s calling with 60% of all hands he 3b in position. That includes hands like AJ, for example. When I 3bet his spot and get checkraised to that size I’m not folding any overs with backdoors, any pair or overpair. Again though I understand how bad players think about the game, learning how to value hands is something I learned 18 years ago, and how not to overplay them, then bluffed in spots only where the villain was clearly taking weak lines. Most players are stuck at that point playing in bad games (good games) and bad habits. Using his exact combo in this spot isn’t ideal, however when someone says just bluffing in general due to pot size etc is just flat wrong.
@@jasonhounsell3297 i don’t recall saying bluffing is bad. But when the guy calls a check raise I’m thinking over pair possible set. Brick cards not ideal to keep bluffing at. I mean if I’m the villain I’m never folding an overpair with that run out. What was the hero trying to represent? It was an awful bluff. He did all these calculations to impress Bart and he forgot to figure out what hand he is trying to represent.
I think the key inflection point is that turn bet. A 3-bet hand comfortably calling a check raise on that flop is going to have a hard time folding when the rest of the board goes brick-brick. To be fair, I've done the exact same thing live before. I want to "tell my story" but my story doesn't make sense to someone with two pair or better. Not to pile on, but actually reviewing the hand from OP view, they played this hand perfectly. Lots of people who flop such a dominant hand check it to try and give you rope to hang yourself, and his small bet ended up giving him your whole stack.
I really don't see the point of bluffing in this spot if the villain is always calling with overpairs. Literally just wait for two pair plus and shovel money into the pot
This dude should get some poker club NILs! Also, I haven’t gotten to the end of the hand yet, but I respect the caller’s thinking on the flop (and how it’s backed by the solver) and was thinking about that myself, but I also respect Bart’s points about it not being the best drawing hand to attack with.
@@jimbosavage also Bart’s point is good that your ace high has a lot of showdown value given the flop texture. You’re ahead already a good amount of the time.
It's the turn bet that's really where this hand gets off the rails. That whole "if you call the turn you have to call the river if nothing changes" might be a bullshit theory from a player's perspective, but there's a ton of villains that will play by that maxim.
Do you really have to run a spew into a poker simulator? We all do this. We decide we’re just going to bully our opponent because we misinterpret a small bet as weak when it’s really a please call cuz I’m nutted bet.
Where are the bluffs? Where are the Hero’s bluffs and where are the villains? The only way I am running this play is to check the river and see what he does - if villain checks we have showdown - if he bets moderate then we can consider shoving over the top - if he jams we fold.
You do have to barrel the turn without picking up equity with some combos. On the heart turn your heart draws are supposed to barrel turn and give up non heart rivers because you want your opponent to have missed hearts, so clearly only bluffing turn when you pick up a flush draw presents a problem with your river range, namely having no good bluff candidates to balance your value(9 combos of sets). Using a slight overbet means having about 5 bluffs that contain none of the flush suit, so there will definitely have to be some giving up there has to be some triple barreling as well without the FD, I don't really think there's much difference in SDV between AJ and KQ/KJ/QJ once the flop CR has been called and if there is it's hard to realize the SDV when you check river OOP to an opponent holding worse than AJ, if your opponent is calling QQ+ then KQ would have slightly better removal but I don't think this play is that bad with AJ, and I think when you choose to use a non-heart hand to barrel turn you have to follow thru on non heart rivers, you prevent over-bluffing by not having too many non-heart turn bluffs but you should still have a few.
At 300bb the only suited Broadways folded to 3B LJ vs CO are KTs,QJs,QTs. AQo-ATo,KQo, suited 1-gappers and some combos of 88-66 are folded but as you get deeper suited hands go up in value and AQo type hands go down. I checked the range converter 200bb charts because range converter doesn't have 300bb charts. Also this isn't exactly LJ open vs CO 3B, we're isolating a limper and getting 3B, if the limper is a weak player we might be wide and would have to defend more.
Do you really though? Hero's logic was putting pressure on the weak part of villian's range that cbets. The point of giving up on the turn is to save 2 bets when you have little equity and your opponent is showing strength. I don't think you should be trying to get KK to fold on this run out. I think checking turn is only a problem if hero checks turn and folds to a bet from KJs, QJs which he blocks or KQs. Any other hand that villian calls flop with will be a big favorite. Hero can also bluff a 6 on the turn. An A will give him the best hand a majority of the time as well and a J would give him show down value against a 10. Along with the 8 and clubs that is 21 cards that would improve his hand. For balance I think he should also check raise flop with pair straight draws (98s, 78s and 108s) and sets. You could leave top set in your turn check range for protection.
@@AT-bw4cm you don't have to bluff ever if nobody figures out you don't bluff but assuming we want to play a long term winning strategy vs observant opponents we have to give them a reason to pay us off on the river, if we only barrel turn turn with FDs and value we're left having to choose from a group of missed FDs to use as river bluffs to balance our value range, these bluffs are lower EV than combos that unblock FDs. Maybe AJ specifically isn't the best but we need some river bluffs unless we're playing exploititavely vs a calling station. What combos would you bluff river with when the flush misses?
This might be the worst example of playing to 'theory' I've ever heard. There is so much over thinking happening here, 99% of which most certainly only happened after the hand in retrospect. It blows my mind people think this way when it's simply not possible to have enough information to accurately do it. You have to assume that somehow your opponent is playing in a way that is perfectly optimal to the theory you're trying to apply, and that's never the case. All this analysis aside, I would bet all in that during the hand this player decided to run a 3 barrel bluff no matter what happened, and he made that decision on the flop, and possibly even pre.
IDK man... I don't even know if it's anything new that there is a bunch of colluding and RTA cheating on unregulated sites. I don't have much interest in it
@@CrushlivePoker that’s reasonable…just to me seems like there’s a possibility that Bryn could’ve used GG software to view other people’s screens. That is the only interesting and problematic news that was brought to light.
Stopped 13:30 If foe doesn't think you'll play J8 or 86 this way, you are throwing money away after he calls the flop check raise and a river shove is going to be called 100% of the time as played. Foe has 99+ and you likely don't have AA or KK. By calling the check raise, then the turn bet, foe is going to call your river shove on that blank river. You might get a fold on a J or 6 river, but the 5 is not going to help with your story and you'll get called. Top or second set is not folding, JJ blocks one of your possible straights, and QQ plus is going to call you. The Check-raise on the flop is okay, but it's a check fold on the turn. You don't didn't pick up any equity, and it's a hard story to be believed.
What ranges do people use for sims here? My 400bb BTN straddle ranges are in the shop. I did run a sim with normal 200bb ranges and it didn't mind the 1/3rd pot c-bet on flop w/70% of range. Betting range for that amount is not a huge mistake for villain (~.6% of pot EV loss). It wants to c/r AcJc some but not pure, then check turn. AhJh should barrel this turn, then give up on river brick. KJ/QJ/A8 are better bluffs on river. Villain's line until river seems fine for AA/KK, then call river w/o a heart, mix with a heart (don't want to block the BDFD that's supposed to barrel off).
“Villain is the only other competent player at the table.” Villain also said he would put $2500 in the middle with aces on this board every time. Seems like there’s no need to bluff in TX!
This reminds me of the new Negreanu AQ bluff against Garret. Sure the hero is not the pre flop aggressor in this case and OOP. But surely you need to have bluffs when you take the checkraise-bet-allin route on a dry heavy board right?
Is that a trap though? He Led flop and just had to call down cause hero led both streets. If villain was first to act and checked turn then yes but in position he just let hero bluff his stack
@@jasonvinson5407 you know when someone runs into X combo and they say “ah knew you had X combo” or “though you have X combo” when they see showdown.. same thing
He flopped the nuts and got check raised. So he went in check call mode and the hero three barreled him and the villain was filled with glee inside the entire time. It happens when you make bluffing like this part of your game. Sometimes you run into it.
So we are supposed to believe that a person needs software, solvers, node whatever the fuck to figure out that you should have shut it down on the turn? Theres a certain flow and feeling to hand. Calling a check raise screams strength. Fancy play syndrome. Was he wearing a mask too?
These are the nerdiest, deepest, and most ridiculous analyzations of some of the simplest poker play available and it’s nothing but pure overthinking of the situation. It’s a 1/3 game. Ol’ boy isn’t 3 betting you with anything less than pocket 10’s and up, and occasionally A/K suited. The only sizing tell you needed this entire hand was a low stakes regular betting 1/3rd pot on flop. DANGER WILL ROBINSON
Interesting at the end you say hed rather have Jack's than queens with what your representing. Do you mean the same that he would rather have Jack's than Kings or Aces because I would think itd be the opposite. Maybe on the flop and turn we would want Jack's but once the river comes and hero jams I dont see why we would want any part of Jack's or Queens lmao. We are significantly blocking the main portions of heros bluffing range in QJs Q10s J10s J9s KQs KJs. That's why villain said he was calling with Kings and Aces, because of what hero was representing. Hero is representing all flopped sets and some 10 9ss maybe some 97s. And I guess J8 but I dont know how often hes going to have that. If you're saying hero is going to a portion of the time then his bluffing range gets even wider as we can put some more suited 2 gappers in there. Some 10 8ss some Q9ss maybe some Q8ss.
At 7:30 and again at 12:30, my thought is that V can absolutely play top set or even middle set this way. I've run into it enough times. Edit: lol, nailed it. FWIW, I doubt V bets 1/3 OTF with JJ-AA.
you could have jammed turn and folded out his draw equity coolering 99 getting value from TxXx :heart: and losing to 8x6x (pair the board)..but yeah think how you played it is fine
This is how you can overanalyze hands right into bankruptcy. Assuming people play the same way, buy into the same theories, have studied the same materials and implement them consistently, is a fools errand. This fullbacks bank account, is now suitable for a halfback.
Funny how most of the people in the chat always make the correct decisions and then explain what the best play is and act like they didn’t watch how the hands played out in every video.
Great GTO awareness but this is just spew. He's really not blocking anything and ignoring all the information his opponent is giving with respect to calling his aggression; specifically opp calling the C/R after the PFR. Pretty sure opp is committed to calling down with his overpairs on a brick at this point.
This gentleman sounds intelligent, and no disrespect intended. But is this what poker has come to, spending hours running software only to conclude that "balance" means playing badly half the time? This kind of discussion borders on surreal. As an initial matter, AJs against a standard 3-betting range is not in great shape. There's an argument for folding. You'll be out position the whole hand. In the alternative, what about a four-bet bluff, based on card removal properties? Based on his actual hand, villain might have laid down the 10s to a four-bet. From there, 10s are in villain's range, and hero largely whiffs the flop. He has backdoor straight and flush possibilities, and two overs, so peeling one is reasonable, but the check raise amounts to reckless aggression. From there, how does the 2 help hero at all? Hero would have 4-bet with Qs through Aces, so those are ruled out. No flushes on board, and a straight doesn't make sense as a "story." So the hero's only real "story" left is a set. Also, "telling a story" is not a GTO concept, so the hero's logic is a bit of a muddle. All of this justified by considerations of "equilibrium" and esoterica like "node locking." This kind of play, and study, both feel misguided.
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Bart gets to the heart of the matter at 12:30. If you want to continue bluffing turn, a club or any Broadway card would give your hand additional equity, or allow you to represent additional turned nut hands, and you need additional equity versus his continuing range as that range gets stronger and stronger. Dude 3-bet you and called a postflop x/r, he has something. QJs is the worst hand he could have. I agree with caller that it is folly to barrel this turn without stuffing the river, but this was not the best candidate on the turn. I don't really mind it on the flop as you block AA and JJ, two hands which would always bet-call. And you have reasonable equity against KK and QQ with your ace. But you gotta hit the half of the deck that gives you something on the turn. Personally if I were villain holding KK, I would simply resolve on the flop to call down any brick run-outs because you have so many gutters and open enders in your range and you probably don't defend j8s. On brick run-outs you have only 9 combos of thick value. So if I can find even 6 combos of bluffs then I should be calling down with my bluff catchers. I think most players would raise-call 88 and preflop and then think "well fuck it i have mountains of equity vs any hand and I'm not giving away free overcards to this limp-dick bet" and raise and barrel off at least the turn. Looking at QJs, 98s, kjs, you might have a similar thought process, and that's like 20 combos now of junk. If you bluff all your "natural" bluffs on a wet board like this, you'll just end up with way too many of them. If there were a straight you could have in your range on the board, you could bluff slightly more. But its way too easy to have too many bluffs as a live poker player. Most of these candidates probably are bluffed at some frequency but you need to either randomize with your watch to give up some of the time or simplify by giving up with some subset of the hands, or based on how your range interacts with various turns. And exploitatively you also have to ask, if he thinks you're full of shit on the turn when the pot is already over 150bb, how often are guys making big folds?
Yeah; I am also pretty much with Bart on this one: C/R flop is certainly not terrible in itself, but we are likely way over-bluffing if we use AJs.
(Unless we can randomize perfectly)
Turn brings a terrible card for us; - at least now it is the time to fully go onto the brakes with this holding, C/F all the way.
Lmao Bart's sick brags crack me up. Especially in this one where he mentions that he's the one that "helped that guy get that job" that had nothing to do with the convo and contributed nothing to the convo other than brag lmao 🤣
He's good for at least one humble brag per clip. Hilarious 😂😂
I like the fact that when you choose to use a 30% size everyone assumes you do it with range lol
Ran this myself
1) 1/3 cbet is very standard at 200bb (I know you are deeper stack, but at deeper stack in general small cbet here in 3BP is standard).
2) The strongest back door flush draws AhQh AhJh on the turn are close to pure check and the other combo draws continue to barrel. hero's hand pure check on the turn and AhJh is 14% barrel.
3) On the river QQ JJ and most Tx are checking. Bluffs are still coming from hands like A8s / KQs / KJs (prefers not having hearts).
But @Bart don't always barrel when you pick up equity after XR. Strongest ace high fd will play XC. Mix in some XR-XR with KJh, TT, 99, and T9s.
It's 1/3. At what point do we ask ourselves, "are these players even thinking about their opponents cards with overpairs here?"
Man, fuck, exactly. These people that over analyze these hands with players that don't even think for 1 second what the other player has
Look at the stack sizes. Look at the $35 open. Its essentially a deep 2/5 game. Its only 1/3 because he said thats the highest limit that room runs. 1/3 newbs arent going to be playing with a few K in front of them.
@@theejayzeeable did you watch the analysis? Hero said villain was not folding aces or kings at the end after the hand was finished. That literally means "I haz top pair, I'm not folding". Level 1 thinking
@@CapLobo uh no, it's more so because what hero is representing. That's why he would call with kings or aces. Notice he didnt say any overpair including Queens or Jack's? Because if you know anything at all, even though they are basically the same hand strength given current action, queens and Jack's block a significant portion of heros bluffing range. His KQs KJs J10s Q10s QJs J9s all heavily blocked by queens and jacks.
I give credit to the other guy for playing the hand perfectly. Against this type of player just call call call.
He node locked the guy to not have any 3bets on the flop.
@@RunItTw1ce4858 hero subconsciously knows he’s getting called down.
Bluffing off 783bbs… I don’t need a solver to tell me this is a bad play.
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It’s 1/3/6 - the straddle is effective. Which means he has a shade under 400bb’s
With the larger live open sizes and in turn 3bets this is not hard to do. As you can see a very small raise on flop (which was only to the original flop pot size) then 70% turn and a small overbet river is enough to get all in.
So let me ask you this, if you have a set of 10’s here are you happy to get shove stacks in? What about if you flopped a straight after a looser defend with J8 for example? If you shove for value, are you saying you never have bluffs? If so then nobody paying attention will ever pay you on your value unless your just playing with degens however even then a lot of them are not stupid.
I get off expressions from people when I bluff off stacks, however they are terrified to play pots with me when I start pressing the raise buttons, so many times they don’t value bet against me properly because they are scared, they pay off lighter than they even should at times so they don’t feel pushed around meanwhile I’m well aware how scared they are and if I ever face real aggression especially through raises it’s just the nuts and I never pay them. So yea, I lose a stack every now and then however the compensation I get is much more.
As a good rule if your in a spot where you would take an action with a value bet then you should be prepared to do the same with a bluff. Or keep telling yourself everyone in your game calls and there is no point.
@@jasonhounsell3297 Terrified? Relax son nobody is terrified at 10cent/25cent. I do agree with what you are saying. Part of getting paid off is being willing to put money in the pot with nothing and getting called. This hand was atrocious. Calling a check raise on the flop screams strength
@@greatwhite3676 You know that there is plenty of lines where BOTH players have strong ranges. By the logic of if a hand screams strength then no 4bet pot ever gets bluffed at. Also calling that check raise isn’t as strong as you think. He’s getting a price and must continue with around 60% the hands he Cbet. In this video he assumed it was a range bet and it might be correct, which means he’s calling with 60% of all hands he 3b in position. That includes hands like AJ, for example.
When I 3bet his spot and get checkraised to that size I’m not folding any overs with backdoors, any pair or overpair.
Again though I understand how bad players think about the game, learning how to value hands is something I learned 18 years ago, and how not to overplay them, then bluffed in spots only where the villain was clearly taking weak lines. Most players are stuck at that point playing in bad games (good games) and bad habits.
Using his exact combo in this spot isn’t ideal, however when someone says just bluffing in general due to pot size etc is just flat wrong.
@@jasonhounsell3297 i don’t recall saying bluffing is bad. But when the guy calls a check raise I’m thinking over pair possible set. Brick cards not ideal to keep bluffing at. I mean if I’m the villain I’m never folding an overpair with that run out. What was the hero trying to represent? It was an awful bluff. He did all these calculations to impress Bart and he forgot to figure out what hand he is trying to represent.
I think the key inflection point is that turn bet. A 3-bet hand comfortably calling a check raise on that flop is going to have a hard time folding when the rest of the board goes brick-brick. To be fair, I've done the exact same thing live before. I want to "tell my story" but my story doesn't make sense to someone with two pair or better. Not to pile on, but actually reviewing the hand from OP view, they played this hand perfectly. Lots of people who flop such a dominant hand check it to try and give you rope to hang yourself, and his small bet ended up giving him your whole stack.
I really don't see the point of bluffing in this spot if the villain is always calling with overpairs. Literally just wait for two pair plus and shovel money into the pot
This dude should get some poker club NILs!
Also, I haven’t gotten to the end of the hand yet, but I respect the caller’s thinking on the flop (and how it’s backed by the solver) and was thinking about that myself, but I also respect Bart’s points about it not being the best drawing hand to attack with.
Yeah, I would want a 12+ out (including some pair draws) to raise.
@@jimbosavage also Bart’s point is good that your ace high has a lot of showdown value given the flop texture. You’re ahead already a good amount of the time.
The snapper gets snapped on the river lmao
It's the turn bet that's really where this hand gets off the rails. That whole "if you call the turn you have to call the river if nothing changes" might be a bullshit theory from a player's perspective, but there's a ton of villains that will play by that maxim.
Do you really have to run a spew into a poker simulator? We all do this. We decide we’re just going to bully our opponent because we misinterpret a small bet as weak when it’s really a please call cuz I’m nutted bet.
guy is a goon
Where are the bluffs? Where are the Hero’s bluffs and where are the villains? The only way I am running this play is to check the river and see what he does - if villain checks we have showdown - if he bets moderate then we can consider shoving over the top - if he jams we fold.
Much better idea lol. Would be better to do that on the turn even.
You do have to barrel the turn without picking up equity with some combos. On the heart turn your heart draws are supposed to barrel turn and give up non heart rivers because you want your opponent to have missed hearts, so clearly only bluffing turn when you pick up a flush draw presents a problem with your river range, namely having no good bluff candidates to balance your value(9 combos of sets). Using a slight overbet means having about 5 bluffs that contain none of the flush suit, so there will definitely have to be some giving up there has to be some triple barreling as well without the FD, I don't really think there's much difference in SDV between AJ and KQ/KJ/QJ once the flop CR has been called and if there is it's hard to realize the SDV when you check river OOP to an opponent holding worse than AJ, if your opponent is calling QQ+ then KQ would have slightly better removal but I don't think this play is that bad with AJ, and I think when you choose to use a non-heart hand to barrel turn you have to follow thru on non heart rivers, you prevent over-bluffing by not having too many non-heart turn bluffs but you should still have a few.
Well another important fact is that KQs and KJs should never be in your range because you should be folding them preflop 100% of the time.
At 300bb the only suited Broadways folded to 3B LJ vs CO are KTs,QJs,QTs. AQo-ATo,KQo, suited 1-gappers and some combos of 88-66 are folded but as you get deeper suited hands go up in value and AQo type hands go down. I checked the range converter 200bb charts because range converter doesn't have 300bb charts. Also this isn't exactly LJ open vs CO 3B, we're isolating a limper and getting 3B, if the limper is a weak player we might be wide and would have to defend more.
Do you really though? Hero's logic was putting pressure on the weak part of villian's range that cbets. The point of giving up on the turn is to save 2 bets when you have little equity and your opponent is showing strength. I don't think you should be trying to get KK to fold on this run out. I think checking turn is only a problem if hero checks turn and folds to a bet from KJs, QJs which he blocks or KQs. Any other hand that villian calls flop with will be a big favorite. Hero can also bluff a 6 on the turn. An A will give him the best hand a majority of the time as well and a J would give him show down value against a 10. Along with the 8 and clubs that is 21 cards that would improve his hand. For balance I think he should also check raise flop with pair straight draws (98s, 78s and 108s) and sets. You could leave top set in your turn check range for protection.
@@AT-bw4cm you don't have to bluff ever if nobody figures out you don't bluff but assuming we want to play a long term winning strategy vs observant opponents we have to give them a reason to pay us off on the river, if we only barrel turn turn with FDs and value we're left having to choose from a group of missed FDs to use as river bluffs to balance our value range, these bluffs are lower EV than combos that unblock FDs. Maybe AJ specifically isn't the best but we need some river bluffs unless we're playing exploititavely vs a calling station. What combos would you bluff river with when the flush misses?
@@PokerOCD It's basically a cold 4bet though especially given the sizes. Limp, iso, 3!.
Small frequency plays are usually value heavy no matter what kind of player are you dealing with
This might be the worst example of playing to 'theory' I've ever heard. There is so much over thinking happening here, 99% of which most certainly only happened after the hand in retrospect. It blows my mind people think this way when it's simply not possible to have enough information to accurately do it. You have to assume that somehow your opponent is playing in a way that is perfectly optimal to the theory you're trying to apply, and that's never the case. All this analysis aside, I would bet all in that during the hand this player decided to run a 3 barrel bluff no matter what happened, and he made that decision on the flop, and possibly even pre.
Almost all amateur 3 barrel bluffs are determined preflop.
"I'm gonna play this hand like I have aces"
"I have a draw, I'm gonna bet , bet and if I hit check raise and if I miss bet again". The 2 bluffs lol
Hey Bart! Are you planning on taking about either of the big scandals in poker that broke this week
Scandals?
@@danweaver5787 are you living under a rock? Look at the Only Friends Podcasts from Solve for Y this week.
IDK man... I don't even know if it's anything new that there is a bunch of colluding and RTA cheating on unregulated sites. I don't have much interest in it
@@CrushlivePoker that’s reasonable…just to me seems like there’s a possibility that Bryn could’ve used GG software to view other people’s screens. That is the only interesting and problematic news that was brought to light.
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Stopped 13:30 If foe doesn't think you'll play J8 or 86 this way, you are throwing money away after he calls the flop check raise and a river shove is going to be called 100% of the time as played. Foe has 99+ and you likely don't have AA or KK. By calling the check raise, then the turn bet, foe is going to call your river shove on that blank river. You might get a fold on a J or 6 river, but the 5 is not going to help with your story and you'll get called. Top or second set is not folding, JJ blocks one of your possible straights, and QQ plus is going to call you. The Check-raise on the flop is okay, but it's a check fold on the turn. You don't didn't pick up any equity, and it's a hard story to be believed.
Wow the tens slow play I’m surprised especially on turn he didn’t raise
What ranges do people use for sims here? My 400bb BTN straddle ranges are in the shop.
I did run a sim with normal 200bb ranges and it didn't mind the 1/3rd pot c-bet on flop w/70% of range. Betting range for that amount is not a huge mistake for villain (~.6% of pot EV loss). It wants to c/r AcJc some but not pure, then check turn. AhJh should barrel this turn, then give up on river brick. KJ/QJ/A8 are better bluffs on river. Villain's line until river seems fine for AA/KK, then call river w/o a heart, mix with a heart (don't want to block the BDFD that's supposed to barrel off).
“Villain is the only other competent player at the table.” Villain also said he would put $2500 in the middle with aces on this board every time. Seems like there’s no need to bluff in TX!
Apparently villain is the ONLY competent player at the table. Lol.
This reminds me of the new Negreanu AQ bluff against Garret. Sure the hero is not the pre flop aggressor in this case and OOP. But surely you need to have bluffs when you take the checkraise-bet-allin route on a dry heavy board right?
Trying to compare a hand played by 2 world class players and 2 low stakes recs is Like comparing MLB to tee ball.
Get hand, bet hand is all you need to do to beat 1/3. But the entire player pool is incapable of doing that.
Idea for thumbnails. Having a little caption or image either small or large of which card room/casino the hand took place.
I thought the whole time.."how often is this guy trapping with a set?"
Is that a trap though? He Led flop and just had to call down cause hero led both streets. If villain was first to act and checked turn then yes but in position he just let hero bluff his stack
@@jasonvinson5407 you know when someone runs into X combo and they say “ah knew you had X combo” or “though you have X combo” when they see showdown.. same thing
@@dblackoutx so true lol
He flopped the nuts and got check raised. So he went in check call mode and the hero three barreled him and the villain was filled with glee inside the entire time. It happens when you make bluffing like this part of your game. Sometimes you run into it.
So we are supposed to believe that a person needs software, solvers, node whatever the fuck to figure out that you should have shut it down on the turn? Theres a certain flow and feeling to hand. Calling a check raise screams strength. Fancy play syndrome. Was he wearing a mask too?
On the turn, I think continue with club turns and broadway cards. Give up everything below 6
Who’s the streamer?
When hero hits a none club/ace/jack turn it's time to shut it down and the river changes nothing so he's never folding.
These are the nerdiest, deepest, and most ridiculous analyzations of some of the simplest poker play available and it’s nothing but pure overthinking of the situation.
It’s a 1/3 game. Ol’ boy isn’t 3 betting you with anything less than pocket 10’s and up, and occasionally A/K suited.
The only sizing tell you needed this entire hand was a low stakes regular betting 1/3rd pot on flop.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON
Interesting at the end you say hed rather have Jack's than queens with what your representing. Do you mean the same that he would rather have Jack's than Kings or Aces because I would think itd be the opposite. Maybe on the flop and turn we would want Jack's but once the river comes and hero jams I dont see why we would want any part of Jack's or Queens lmao. We are significantly blocking the main portions of heros bluffing range in QJs Q10s J10s J9s KQs KJs. That's why villain said he was calling with Kings and Aces, because of what hero was representing. Hero is representing all flopped sets and some 10 9ss maybe some 97s. And I guess J8 but I dont know how often hes going to have that. If you're saying hero is going to a portion of the time then his bluffing range gets even wider as we can put some more suited 2 gappers in there. Some 10 8ss some Q9ss maybe some Q8ss.
At 7:30 and again at 12:30, my thought is that V can absolutely play top set or even middle set this way. I've run into it enough times.
Edit: lol, nailed it. FWIW, I doubt V bets 1/3 OTF with JJ-AA.
Wow. Poker is not dead.
Long snapper took a long shot and got snapped off.
Don’t worry. Happens to us all. I fully got your back…
As soon as he calls the raise post flop and you don't turn any equity then time to abort..
Yes. Shove shove shove! You sure this guy isn’t a punter?
This is just massively leveling yourself. Caller is dead to an 8 after the flop call against nearly every opponent in nearly every 1-3 game on Earth.
Ok maybe an 8 or Ace.
Thanks to everyone who says I played this hand well! (I’m the V). I feel as though from my perspective it was pretty straightforward though 😂
you could have jammed turn and folded out his draw equity coolering 99 getting value from TxXx :heart: and losing to 8x6x (pair the board)..but yeah think how you played it is fine
It was a little too loose preflop but otherwise fine. Typically this should be folded preflop instead of raising.
@@Ohrami troll
You ran into a spewing Donk
This is how you can overanalyze hands right into bankruptcy. Assuming people play the same way, buy into the same theories, have studied the same materials and implement them consistently, is a fools errand. This fullbacks bank account, is now suitable for a halfback.
Why did Bart call him nerdy?
Hes using solver a lot and watching technical poker twitch streams. Most people don't do that.
@13:58 i’m sorry i laughed
What if villain understands that his smaller flop bet means he has to call down more on this board?
Funny how most of the people in the chat always make the correct decisions and then explain what the best play is and act like they didn’t watch how the hands played out in every video.
If they were V in this hand with KK they would all say to fold the turn or river. It's 1/3! No one is bluffing!
1/3 pro
Great GTO awareness but this is just spew. He's really not blocking anything and ignoring all the information his opponent is giving with respect to calling his aggression; specifically opp calling the C/R after the PFR. Pretty sure opp is committed to calling down with his overpairs on a brick at this point.
he thinks twitch makes him smarter
🤣🙄😭...all day!
It feels so bad when you try to bluff the nuts the entire way. If this hasn’t happened to you you aren’t bluffing enough probably.
I love people bluffing thinking they are so much better but have no ability to read opponents. Punt away.
Pretty sure the opponent is druve
This gentleman sounds intelligent, and no disrespect intended. But is this what poker has come to, spending hours running software only to conclude that "balance" means playing badly half the time? This kind of discussion borders on surreal. As an initial matter, AJs against a standard 3-betting range is not in great shape. There's an argument for folding. You'll be out position the whole hand. In the alternative, what about a four-bet bluff, based on card removal properties? Based on his actual hand, villain might have laid down the 10s to a four-bet.
From there, 10s are in villain's range, and hero largely whiffs the flop. He has backdoor straight and flush possibilities, and two overs, so peeling one is reasonable, but the check raise amounts to reckless aggression. From there, how does the 2 help hero at all? Hero would have 4-bet with Qs through Aces, so those are ruled out. No flushes on board, and a straight doesn't make sense as a "story." So the hero's only real "story" left is a set. Also, "telling a story" is not a GTO concept, so the hero's logic is a bit of a muddle.
All of this justified by considerations of "equilibrium" and esoterica like "node locking." This kind of play, and study, both feel misguided.
Give me exploitative play over gto any day
Stick to football
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This guy played the hand so terrible lmao
Easiest way to make money in 13s and 25s are playing tag style.
Lol this caller is an absolute fish and it’s hilarious he thinks he is competent.