6:04 just reading that paragraph made me laugh. i bought the FF edition when the game came out because i liked the project and wanted to help fund. they gave me a deal and i accepted it. why would they make an offer like that without realizing the repercussions behind it 😂 and then to spit in the faces of the people who supported them from the beginning is also laughable i have always been on CWS' side but idk if i can anymore. the communication, the consistant delays (which is something that irritates me, especially as someone who tries his hardest not to make promises he can't keep) I think the main reason i supported these guys is because they were the only guys with a vr game like this on the market, and i'd already dumped my money into them. now exfil some is in alpha testing and is already less buggy, more feature prominent, and the devs seem to be more motivated. like someone said: "if this is the alpha, Ghosts of Tabor is still in the concept stage" as much as i hate to say it, it looks like i rode that wagon until the wheels fell off
@FriesOnYt I think people complain way too much. Aside from the new mission and tasks the game is perfect. And the mission and tasks isn't that big of a deal
6:04 wow. just how disconnected do you have to be from your customers to something like this. you gave them a half finished product YOU promised to support, not a service. it is never ever the players problem to support you, only to purchase the products they wish from you.
I have an X profile that just talks politics with under 1k followers and I get death threats, it happens and basically means nothing because people shit talking on the internet never actually do anything(though obviously nobody should be sending death threats to people). My point is, they probably constantly get death threats but only use that as a diversion/cover to shame the community when said community actually starts to heavily criticize them. This has happened before when they stated getting a lot of backlash, all of a sudden they start bringing up these "anonymous death threats" to essentially guilt trip people into shutting up. It's a popular political tactic that I've seen time and time again with politicians and corporations alike.
I don't think they're guilt tripping people into silence.. they're just making a statement about people who are unhinged and making threats because the patch that initially dropped pretty much made the game unplayable. So I can see why people are upset and why they're getting threats, it's not justified but half of the player base are children so go figure right?
It feels like they are saying because one person who plays their game made death threats to them, now their whole community is a reflection of that instance. So dumb. They clearly deserve all the negative criticism they are receiving (obviously not bomb threats) from the community who clearly just wants a game we all love to thrive and improve. They can do what other companies like hello games has done and listen to the community and make the appropriate changes to their buggy and stale game… or they can do what they are doing now and gaslight their entire community to deflect from this bad update and handle it in the most immature ways possible, like mentioned here commenting on Tans livestream like Sean did. Absolutely lost my respect, looking forward to trying exfilzone at this point, I don’t feel like Tabor devs deserve our loyalty when they operate their business this poorly. I don’t even mind the new AI fenix, I just feel they made unnecessary changes which make the game even less inviting… they could be improving their game where it’s lacking instead of trying to fix what isn’t broken.
The devs actually communicate to us A lot, maybe a little too much. Every small addition they add, they keep us updated with some very immature content. Hell they even did a tabor advent calendar for us. But all of this content the devs are posting could be the cause of all the drama, people see their content and think it’s all free speech, causing people to think they can say and complain about whatever they want
another thing, the loot feels lazy, i dont want a gun in my locker, i want cool loot and bits and pieces. Their competitors contractors showdown exfil zone is so good about this. We haven't gotten new place loot since the alpha.
Communication is important but you must think about the fact that game making is unpredictable. Sometimes it breaks and needs fixing, sometimes bugs pop up and need fixing, sometimes things get pushed back become of a miriad of things. Devs arent trying to lie to you about deadlines for features, things happen and it takes hour's to fix test and bug fix. Your health does not reset back to full on a failed raid, this is intentional and is for balance. Dlcs arent terrible, i personally like them over battle passes or subscriptions. And people especially dont like loot boxes and gambling for cosmetics. Exfilzone is gaining traction because its a good game, not becuase tabor is having issues. I dont disagree that some mods and devs dont handle constructive criticsm correctly, but as long as we are civil with suggestions 99 percent of people will hear you out. So we should all work towards being more civil
i don't think exfil zone is doing good because tabor is-int doing what there suppose to i can argue with that all day, exfil is having constant updates and listening to everyone and getting a ton of feed back there also doing a ton of bug fixes new addons removing annoying things and there constantly asking for feed back plus there healing system is really dope and how there guns fill plus the recoil update and everything just recently. tabor is just not good anymore they stopped communicating and they keep just throwing dlcs in are faces and that is a lack of content in its self, if all you can do is give me dlcs and add a few guns every couple months i don't want no part it in, the lack of content is honestly boring plus its not even realistic and if that's what they are going for then whats the point. all im saying is if tabor does not get there stuff together THERE COOKED cause new competition is stepping up and as soon as exfil started gaining traction everybody begin to switch because tabor is not doing what there suppose to and people are getting tired of the constant lack of content and exfil even though it came out recently there making huge progress and the communication is just HMMM so good for once lol.
Yeah sadly, you know what? Ima gonna say 'step up and do something mindblowing with ghost of tabor or its just gonna be trash and exfil gonna winand nkw once i said my opinion im gonna get banned' wish me good luck @@Shvrks_VR
@charliepowell9632 i dont think they will ban you i went in there and ask “why is GoT so ass why is exfil zone doing everything yall said yall was going to do” and one of the admins and i had a nice back and forth
Actually real this update im really happy with i easy to please cause i just love vr but the fenix are to much and im glad they are getting tweaked heres some points i picked up on 1 although i think team tactics is abit stupid its not like you have to buy it and they need server money 2 i agree with the gun skins and im happy to say they have made a camo pack for 2:99 and they have said they are making more which im happy with 3 about contracters i personally like ghost of tabors gameplay better but i understand the appeal for exfilzone overall w video very chill laidback dude
They communicate ALOT. This is the most communicative devs I've ever dealt with. I also lean around corners and boxes ALL THE TIME, it's VR lean your body
@garywhite3209 I literally take wide steps and lean through door ways and windows. If anything this functions is 100x better than a 45° tilt from a press of a button. I haven't touched a console controller in MONTHS because of how much better FPS is on VR and the ability ti use my body to control the character. I'll hide in a tree and with simple moves be able to have multiple fields if fire while using the trunk as cover leaning on either side of the tree. I had a player walk right passed me and I just leaned left and head shot him, I don't understand what the purpose of a button lean would be? I also FREQUENTLY go and do real life fire and movement drills with a real fire arm so to me VR FPS is almost like training, I don't even think of buttons. I want a treadmill badly because just using the joysticks is messing with me
@garywhite3209 oh, I just realized you mean the whole vr body follows. I don't think I've had the opportunity to witness this, since I can't see my teammates physically I just assumed they walked out in the open like that, they could be leaning. Gotcha
@garywhite3209 now I need clarification, because even in a Dayz lean your torso follows, are you saying the entire body including legs steps in the direction of the lean??
Good video but i quit the game tbh the dev are werid everything is a skill issue not a us issue I got banned from the discord for telling them how and why exfil zone is better and telling them how me and a lot of my friends feel about that game I would also love if you would add me on some sort of social I can send you the screens shots of the fight I had with the dev fish
6:04 just reading that paragraph made me laugh. i bought the FF edition when the game came out because i liked the project and wanted to help fund. they gave me a deal and i accepted it. why would they make an offer like that without realizing the repercussions behind it 😂 and then to spit in the faces of the people who supported them from the beginning is also laughable i have always been on CWS' side but idk if i can anymore. the communication, the consistant delays (which is something that irritates me, especially as someone who tries his hardest not to make promises he can't keep)
I think the main reason i supported these guys is because they were the only guys with a vr game like this on the market, and i'd already dumped my money into them. now exfil some is in alpha testing and is already less buggy, more feature prominent, and the devs seem to be more motivated. like someone said: "if this is the alpha, Ghosts of Tabor is still in the concept stage"
as much as i hate to say it, it looks like i rode that wagon until the wheels fell off
@FriesOnYt I think people complain way too much. Aside from the new mission and tasks the game is perfect. And the mission and tasks isn't that big of a deal
@@CorvusXIII all i'm saying is maybe you don't know what good game devs look like until they are staring you in the face
Well said
6:04 wow. just how disconnected do you have to be from your customers to something like this. you gave them a half finished product YOU promised to support, not a service. it is never ever the players problem to support you, only to purchase the products they wish from you.
I have an X profile that just talks politics with under 1k followers and I get death threats, it happens and basically means nothing because people shit talking on the internet never actually do anything(though obviously nobody should be sending death threats to people). My point is, they probably constantly get death threats but only use that as a diversion/cover to shame the community when said community actually starts to heavily criticize them. This has happened before when they stated getting a lot of backlash, all of a sudden they start bringing up these "anonymous death threats" to essentially guilt trip people into shutting up. It's a popular political tactic that I've seen time and time again with politicians and corporations alike.
@@TBear93 understandable I just believe they shouldn’t happen in general you don’t know what fully could be going on behind the scenes
I don't think they're guilt tripping people into silence.. they're just making a statement about people who are unhinged and making threats because the patch that initially dropped pretty much made the game unplayable. So I can see why people are upset and why they're getting threats, it's not justified but half of the player base are children so go figure right?
It feels like they are saying because one person who plays their game made death threats to them, now their whole community is a reflection of that instance. So dumb. They clearly deserve all the negative criticism they are receiving (obviously not bomb threats) from the community who clearly just wants a game we all love to thrive and improve. They can do what other companies like hello games has done and listen to the community and make the appropriate changes to their buggy and stale game… or they can do what they are doing now and gaslight their entire community to deflect from this bad update and handle it in the most immature ways possible, like mentioned here commenting on Tans livestream like Sean did. Absolutely lost my respect, looking forward to trying exfilzone at this point, I don’t feel like Tabor devs deserve our loyalty when they operate their business this poorly. I don’t even mind the new AI fenix, I just feel they made unnecessary changes which make the game even less inviting… they could be improving their game where it’s lacking instead of trying to fix what isn’t broken.
@@jessemarr6159 Tabor walked so CS Exfil Zone could run. It is what it is.
Tabor never innovated anything except just the concept of the game genre coming to VR. @@zazaonwow
have you seen the way CW came at TAN in his chat
@@andrewfontaine4833 yea I did it was awful what they did tbh
@@Shvrks_VRlegit gave me second hand embarrassment there lucky tan is super fking chill and just blew it off others would have just blocked them
3:29 it’s the children who have access to discord and all that other fancy stuff sending out these threats 100% this game is child dominant so is vr
Great video and good points! I love this game and have not been impressed lately. Keep doing what you're doing guy!
Scott Buyanov is his name now
The devs actually communicate to us A lot, maybe a little too much. Every small addition they add, they keep us updated with some very immature content. Hell they even did a tabor advent calendar for us. But all of this content the devs are posting could be the cause of all the drama, people see their content and think it’s all free speech, causing people to think they can say and complain about whatever they want
another thing, the loot feels lazy, i dont want a gun in my locker, i want cool loot and bits and pieces. Their competitors contractors showdown exfil zone is so good about this. We haven't gotten new place loot since the alpha.
I’ve never seen game developers pissed this many people off with one update 😅
i can name a few games 😅
Almost every tripple A title does this
risk of rain 2 died in 1 update
tarkov also had that one edition they added that made the entire community and everyone outside it meltdown
@@ImNotFine44 I remember that LOL
5:00 this is a bug that they have fixed
this vid was made before the hotfixes
Communication is important but you must think about the fact that game making is unpredictable. Sometimes it breaks and needs fixing, sometimes bugs pop up and need fixing, sometimes things get pushed back become of a miriad of things. Devs arent trying to lie to you about deadlines for features, things happen and it takes hour's to fix test and bug fix.
Your health does not reset back to full on a failed raid, this is intentional and is for balance.
Dlcs arent terrible, i personally like them over battle passes or subscriptions. And people especially dont like loot boxes and gambling for cosmetics.
Exfilzone is gaining traction because its a good game, not becuase tabor is having issues.
I dont disagree that some mods and devs dont handle constructive criticsm correctly, but as long as we are civil with suggestions 99 percent of people will hear you out. So we should all work towards being more civil
Good points. Good video 👍Always speak the truth no matter who pressures you not to. I know how it feels.
^smart man
Egos too big gng
Omg bro the sigma is hear dude you are so fanuom tax you prolly mew every single day you are so skibidi all jokes but I really do like your vids
quick thing i was in the discord with the bomb shi.t it was 1 guy that did it once in the discord gen chat
I heard it was in personal dms
@@Shvrks_VR can be true but they never showed any proof I only saw it 2 times now
i don't think exfil zone is doing good because tabor is-int doing what there suppose to i can argue with that all day, exfil is having constant updates and listening to everyone and getting a ton of feed back there also doing a ton of bug fixes new addons removing annoying things and there constantly asking for feed back plus there healing system is really dope and how there guns fill plus the recoil update and everything just recently. tabor is just not good anymore they stopped communicating and they keep just throwing dlcs in are faces and that is a lack of content in its self, if all you can do is give me dlcs and add a few guns every couple months i don't want no part it in, the lack of content is honestly boring plus its not even realistic and if that's what they are going for then whats the point. all im saying is if tabor does not get there stuff together THERE COOKED cause new competition is stepping up and as soon as exfil started gaining traction everybody begin to switch because tabor is not doing what there suppose to and people are getting tired of the constant lack of content and exfil even though it came out recently there making huge progress and the communication is just HMMM so good for once lol.
GoT community is filled with toddlers and trolls so there is mo escaping the threats but exfil zone on top rn
@@Sk6ps I just feel the whole community of GoT is toxic
Yeah sadly, you know what? Ima gonna say 'step up and do something mindblowing with ghost of tabor or its just gonna be trash and exfil gonna winand nkw once i said my opinion im gonna get banned' wish me good luck @@Shvrks_VR
@charliepowell9632😂 lol good luck I suppose
@charliepowell9632 i dont think they will ban you i went in there and ask “why is GoT so ass why is exfil zone doing everything yall said yall was going to do” and one of the admins and i had a nice back and forth
wild
Actually real this update im really happy with i easy to please cause i just love vr but the fenix are to much and im glad they are getting tweaked heres some points i picked up on
1 although i think team tactics is abit stupid its not like you have to buy it and they need server money
2 i agree with the gun skins and im happy to say they have made a camo pack for 2:99 and they have said they are making more which im happy with
3 about contracters i personally like ghost of tabors gameplay better but i understand the appeal for exfilzone
overall w video very chill laidback dude
I must say that the team tactics DLC also bring a lot of skins
Yea it did bring skins but i would like to see some in there own separate pack
@ but it probably sells better like this
@ maybe
They communicate ALOT. This is the most communicative devs I've ever dealt with. I also lean around corners and boxes ALL THE TIME, it's VR lean your body
You might lean, but your VR body follows it head, lol it's all good I'm not tripping on the lean, just gonna help campers anyways
@garywhite3209 I literally take wide steps and lean through door ways and windows. If anything this functions is 100x better than a 45° tilt from a press of a button. I haven't touched a console controller in MONTHS because of how much better FPS is on VR and the ability ti use my body to control the character. I'll hide in a tree and with simple moves be able to have multiple fields if fire while using the trunk as cover leaning on either side of the tree.
I had a player walk right passed me and I just leaned left and head shot him, I don't understand what the purpose of a button lean would be? I also FREQUENTLY go and do real life fire and movement drills with a real fire arm so to me VR FPS is almost like training, I don't even think of buttons. I want a treadmill badly because just using the joysticks is messing with me
@garywhite3209 oh, I just realized you mean the whole vr body follows. I don't think I've had the opportunity to witness this, since I can't see my teammates physically I just assumed they walked out in the open like that, they could be leaning. Gotcha
@garywhite3209 now I need clarification, because even in a Dayz lean your torso follows, are you saying the entire body including legs steps in the direction of the lean??
Yes your whole body will step if you lean your head
Good video but i quit the game tbh the dev are werid everything is a skill issue not a us issue I got banned from the discord for telling them how and why exfil zone is better and telling them how me and a lot of my friends feel about that game I would also love if you would add me on some sort of social I can send you the screens shots of the fight I had with the dev fish
@@LILPOPYT yea they typically ban people especially for talking about another game. Also what’s ur discord I would like to see