Behringer EDGE vs Moog DFAM Are they the same?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- The Behringer Edge is Here! But how does it sound? Here its put up next to the Moog DFAM, and as far as comparisons go this was extremely good fun to make.
The big takeaway for me was... if you haven't got one... YOU NEED 2 :)
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0:00 #comparison clip 1&2
0:30 Preamble - What Am I Doing?
1:46 #comparison clip3
2:38 Oscillators - They've got 2 plus noise
2:56 Sync - A Universe in a Knob
3:31 FM - It's a big thing on these
4:01 Oscillator Freq Range
4:15 Did Someone Say Filters?
5:50 Envelopes
7:18 Noise VCF Mod - its noise but not as we know it
7:54 What's Pink Noise
8:45 High Pass Filters, but not too much
9:02 The 2-track Sequencer
9:42 Matching Some Sounds
11:18 Matching a Loop
14:05 Matching a More Complex Loop
16:55 Wrapping Up
17:28 One after another DEMO 1
18:40 Left + Right Stereo DEMO 2
#behringer #edge #moog #dfam
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Видеоклипы
Edge vs DFAM ruclips.net/video/p5LADPPcaN0/видео.html
MIDI ruclips.net/video/NQuho9IlCO4/видео.html
With a DAW ruclips.net/video/mG-19XVU7lk/видео.html
Main demo ruclips.net/video/rc4wlomawNs/видео.html
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Awesome video!
Looks like I’ll be getting the Edge ❤
The Moog filter is a cut above. For the price I think the EDGE is great though
Sync wave sounded better on the Moog too.
Wooow! This left and right demo of yours sounds incredible when played together in stereo. Great idea!
wicked vid as always - great combo having both, 2 flavours - run edge in hp (which i think is a proper screamer) and dfam in lp 🙂
As someone who does most of their music in FL, I had to sell my DFAM because of the annoyance of not being able to tempo sync through even MIDI. I really dug the sound but it wasn't at all practical with my setup. The addition of that plus USB on the Behringer makes it way, way more appealing.
100% instant techno maschine edge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got a crave about 4 months ago, this is the best timing now that I’ve got a fairly decent understanding of the crave. Thanks for sharing
I love my DFAM and have been thinking about getting a second one but was waiting for a review of the Edge before deciding. After seeing this I am 100% going to pick up an Edge.
Great demo, thanks!
Thanks mate good stuff got my edge pre-order in can't wait sold my dfam and regret it so chuffed to get an edge hopefully soon
Yeah I'm sold. Thanks again Starsky.
Nice review and comparison 😊👌🏻
That stereo split at the end is brilliant
I think your comparison video helped me get over that you get what you pay for thing because i swore nothing could compare to moog or i thought it would sound thin. Sounds good to me
some sounds ir more fat in edge ,incredible ,rewards
Another excellent video. To me in the video they sound very, very similar and I’m sure in the room it would be the same. I have a DFAM and have an Edge on order. I may just buy two Edges now. The clock divider and the ability to get MIDI velocity to the Edge too will make them more flexible than the DFAM.
Another great comparison video. Your Crave vs Mother 32 convinced me to buy the Crave, now you’ve convinced me to get The Edge. I just pre ordered it from Amazon at a super special price of only $117.00 dollars. Amazing!
Seems out of stock everywhere... Are they building a new batch?
@@al.cavalu it seems that the Amazon offer is over. If you do a search there it does not even show up. Mine is still showing in my Amazon orders page with a Notice that I will be notified when it is in stock and ships. I also checked with Amazon customer support and they confirmed that my order is in their system and will ship as soon as they are in Stock. For me especially at this price it’s worth the wait. I wouldn’t get it any sooner elsewhere.
Damn, it's about $300 here
It's 200 here. When was it 117?
@@AdamsOlympia Amazon back in Marxh
At last!! I remember doing this with the Crave and the M-32... and to all intents, they were almost identical in so many ways.
Great video Mr C..!
But the filter makes the difference. Moog is Moog. I have a Mavis in my Eurorack and I love it.
@NEUZETH MUSIC I agree, if you listen to them closely, then the Moog filter is much smoother, whereas the Behringer filter has noticeable stepping. But really if you're only listening out for it can you hear it!
The biggest difference I find is in the VCO's, but, I've always preferred the Cool Audio 3340's over the Moogs discrete oscillators, although this is purely personal taste.
Awesome. Great comparison. Thank you.
Btw... if anyone uses iPad, Rainmaker Noir is basically a DFAM app.
You just saved me quite a bit of cash with this! I think the pink noise option gave the edge … the edge. Also what a nice surprise to hear a fellow scouser on one of these videos
✨Cooles Video, Starsky Carr 👍🤌🏻🤞
Bloody hell, apart from the silly colour, it’s very good. The Moog does have a little more subtle slop but that may be my brain playing tricks on me. Well done on this great comp.
I absolutely love the purple. Gives it some character, doesn't make you stare at bleak greys/blacks/whites all session and want to blow your brains out.
Very, very great sound friend
loving the 'no bullshit' approach to these
The noise options on the edge do seem to be brighter than the dfams which is nice, the dfams fm sounds a little bit finer but that might just be due to how it was swept thru in the video
You make the best instruments comparison videos on youtube
Perfect comparison, thanks, i was on the edge of buying the moog but will go for the edge now.
lovely playing
Yes thank you for this video the second I saw the edge with the dedicated analog sequencer and all the modulation I figured this looks like a familiar modular drum synthesizer
You are doing better marketing for Behringer than they do for themselves! That said, great demo of this (imo awesome sounding) drum synth.
Oh yes! A Carr VS video to help me decide on weather to get a defam or edge.. ok now I just want both of them 😅.
Nice video. Interesting. I’m still on the fence. I’ll probably pick one up second hand.
I can only say the second plant with the little white flowers gave the best results. Panning the first plant from left to right gave an interesting effect though. Lilac cables and wood table make the visual impact very appealing. Noice !
😂
The small gaps in the wooden table made a huge difference for me.
It's not a table, those are extremely extravagant end cheeks
@@ben1210 Then I take it all back and feel disappointed :)
@19.28 Nice hell yes that is some sweet shis.
Congrats at getting both at the same settings for the demo.
Man that left/right combo at the end was amazing! Left me wondering, how could I emulate that with only one machine. One possibility would be to memorize the movements then do 2 individual recordings, not yet sure how hard this will be but I'm sure it will take a lot of practice. My second idea was simply to do one recording, put it on 2 different tracks and use plugins in the daw to make each one different enough to get the effect (who knows where this will lead, I doubt I'll get the same effect but I might get something interesting!).
You've definitely inspired a whole new project, great work Starsky! Love your channel man.
Fantastic video.
I love my DFAM but the addition of a midi-in/thru would have been super useful. I'm going to save my money for the Spice though...
That was a brilliant video and thank you.
I think you were a bit hard on yourself for not being precise and exact.
But yes there are ones to find fault.
To be perfectly honest, if you did that comparrison behind curtains I wonder how many would get it wrong?
I was going for the dfam as I have the mother and subharmonicon but I think I will get the Edge now and a Strymon Big sky with the rest of the money I would have spent on a dfam.
Thanks again.
Great demmo.
I have to agree with the big takeaway -- that you need 2 :-). Doubling is always a nice thing to play with.
Nice Video. I met you on the Superbooth:) ipromised to subscribe ;) im jealous of your great voice
Really appreciate your comparisons with the two. I'm sold on the Edge. I mean for the price it can't be beat. Thanks a bunch guy 😊
I am a Moog fanboy and have 2 Moogs . I am particuly into analog synth music but I would never have got a Mother 32 or a DFAM but after this I will probably get a Crave and an Edge.
If not for the sound, so that you're moog gear will last much longer.
@@lucid484 I have a large number of synths Moog ,Arturia,Roland and Behringer. The thing that would stop me getting the Mother 32 or the DFAM is the price for what they cost new together I could get a second hand MatrixBrute or a Sub 37. Much more versatile.
@@marcpinion Definitely can support the MatrixBrute as I have one and it’s absolutely amazing. Also just looked at the Moog prices and Jesus!!! $1,200 for Moog vs $400 vs Behringer.
@@lucid484 cutthroat capitalist vs worker cooperative 😅
@@TJ-hs1qm I'll take cutthraot capital for $500 Alex. A working man enjoy getting the best bang for his hard earned dollar.
Can the Edge be set to other step number than 8 without any tricks?
thx 4 the video! i think it sounds similar enough to consider it for the midi connectivity. that missing midi was why i sold my dfam. so i would be interested in the midi :D, can you sequence it from another device lets say the octatrack or something and maybe run the internal sequencer aswell and transpose the 8 step sequence every 16th step, and do this 4 times to get a 64 step -ish feel to it?? or hook it on a keystep and play it as a dual vco mono synth?
No as far as I know the knobs are pure analog not connected to any control. So no transposing… as for creating longer sequences with a few I wonder where it could be possible somehow by triggering them sequentially?
I'm taking it that the internal sequencer and the midi are going to be two separate things. Apart from clock sync you are choosing one or the other. I can using the 8 steps as an idea pads, they recreating the knobs positions in a the DAW sequencer, and then fleshing them out into something more evolved. Being able to recall the steps in a sequencer is a main selling point for me. As well as being able to do more complex rhythms or even simpler ones with 16th timings over a bar. This synth can have such a dominating sound, sometimes less is more, instead of playing every 8th note. I really hope the tuning stability is good on this, and once the master tuning is set, it can be left and the DAW can sequence melodic percussion ideas.
Thanks for comparison! I don't think Behringer's offer hurts Moog much. Those who can afford it and want the Moog brand, will choose Moog.
Most of other people, including me, will look for less expensive alternatives. Thanks to Behringer, there are such alternatives available.
of course it hurts moog! Stupid to say anything else.
Is there a digital vsti of these things for FLStudio. Drumaxx doesnt seem to have the sound these things have.
I have a DFAM but to me the CEM filter sounds a bit - can I say it? - edgier.. 239€ at Thomann right now.. waiting to see if they will drop below 199€. Maybe sell the DFMA and get 2 Edges..
Very good comparison video!
What i find strange is that Behringer used a CEM (well almost a CEM) for the VCF. i would have very much preferred when they had used the Crave VCF in t his module also. The filter plays an essential role, especially in a small percussive sound source. Hopefully they will do that in a reworked version of the Edge. That would make it more compatible soundwise with the Crave also.
I’m pretty sure it’s a CEM in the CRAVE as well (Behringer manufacturers the chips - used by sequential etc
I keep thinking everybody would be better off getting a Behringer Model D and a Korg SQ-1 than either of them. Or hooking an SQ-1 up to just about anything and pretending it's a DFAM. The SQ-1 is basically a much-improved DFAM sequencer (multiple quantization options, 16-step options, random options), and the Model D has better envelopes and an extra oscillator. Maybe I'm missing something...
Although setting the PPQ on the SQ-1 is tricky. There's a chart on Korg's FAQ for the SQ-1, but it's difficult to comprehend, and obviously they should've put the info in the manual. But it's an awesome little sequencer. I think I figured it out, so if anybody cares:
Korg SQ-1 = 1StP (4 PPQ) default
- hold down START/STOP while turning on to enter global parameter mode
- use SEQUENCER MODE selector to set step resolution
- turn off/on again
"WW" ALT = 1/4-note step = 4-bar pattern = 0.5 PPQ
"Z" ORDER = 1/8-note step = 2-bar pattern = 1 PPQ
"" TURN = 1/16-note step = 1-bar pattern = 2 PPQ
"=>" ORDER = 1/4-note step = 4-bar pattern = 1 PPQ
=> CV DUTY = 1/8-note step = 2-bar pattern = 2 PPQ
=> CV SLIDE = 1/16-note step = 1-bar pattern = 4 PPQ
awesome detail!!! thank you for posting
sq1 works well with dfam as well. you can basically offload either pitch or velocity knobs for sq1 and use the builtin knobs to modulate something else
Got my Edge last week. I've been making some patches from another youtuber's DFAM patch book (braintree56), and getting the Edge to sound exactly like the DFAM like Starsky did in this video is FUCKING crazy! There are for sure some sonic differences, but I'm still happy to make electronic angry fart music.
I wish a crossover betweeng the edge and erica lxr02.... An edge with faders would be sick, any way of midi maping faders to edge?
I love how it sounds
Hey Starsky - great video but two kind questions: 1. what are these cool blinking patch cables??? Never seen such cables before - guess it's inbuild LED and no reflection, right? And second question: is there a possibility to do a 7 or 5 step pattern in the Edge? I heard that might possible in DFAM to skip a step by turning the velocity knob of the step to max --- but I have an Edge ...
Thanks… the cables are from analogue solutions. They’re good for seeing what’s going on with triggers, LFOs, envelopes etc. and no the EDGE is limited to the 8 steps.
And just like that, I've pre ordered theEdge from Andertons Music for what seems like quite a saving compared to other stores. 😎
I've already got the crave it just needs companionship!
Fantastic comparison and demo, thanks! One thing that's difficult to tell from the video is any differences in knob response. You mentioned at one point that you had to take care with the Behringer knobs because a tiny movement could make a big change. In that respect do you find the DFAM easier to control and to use for performance?
Thanks… No they’re the same. I think I was talking about the tuning. They both have huge ranges so it can be difficult to dial in an exact pitch. The main difference is in the envelopes. I think perhaps the DFAM are analog and the Edge are digital, giving finer control on the DFAM plus a longer release, but unless you’re comparing side by side I don’t really think anyone would notice tbh.
@@StarskyCarr thanks! That's very helpful.
How did they manage to not add the restart CV to the sequencer? One feature that limits DFAM severely IMO.
Uli Behringer copies, he does not know how to innovate beyond that.
@@lurkinguy midi has entered the chat.
If I had a DFAM (I don't, not worth the price tag for what I do) I would jump on adding an Edge as a 'doubler' and MIDI to CV/gate converter. And as with most of the B's: I very much doubt you (I) could make great music on a DFAM if I (you) couldn't on an Edge.
I have the Behringer Edge but its somehow bricked after playing with midi, with no online help to be found or with Synthtribe, so I purchased a DFAM just now. Hoping to pair these together if I can get my Edge to work. Anyone else enjoy this combo?
Great review. Coming from a DFAM owner, this and every other behringer synth always sound brighter. Just me?
Yes.
Their prophet 600 knock off also sounds much tighter than original.
That's the fog lifting from your realization you paid too much.
Just wondered if it's possible to program an accurate melody, be it only 8 notes, or are you pretty much guessing when it comes to setting the pitch knobs.
Guessing
The DFAM looks sooooooo much better with those knobs! How solid are they, though? I would expect them to maybe be a little wobbly... But then, I would expect the Edge knobs to be about the same as the RD-9. It's funny that the chassis is mostly metal and could be used for self defense, but then the knobs are slightly flimsy-feeling.
Regardless, Sweetwater isn't getting them till mid-August. I should've bought one from Thomann while they were in stock. I'm a little concerned that InMusic is gonna file an injunction before I get one LOL. I mean, now that Moog is owned by a company with lawyers and money. That’s one thing making an improved 808/909 40 years later … but making functionally-identical copies of two of Moog’s best selling products that are only 5 years old ...
The knobs are solid. Theyre a bit of a pain to install as they’re all screwed onto the existing little pots not just popped over the top.
you can always replace the knobs. check out modularaddict or similar supplier for replacement black/silver knobs like moog's. as for the color of the unit itself, heinakroon sells panel overlay kits so you dont have to look at purple.
Is it just levels or did the Edge sound punchier??
As a Crave owner I have to say, the form factor is really nice on these Behringer boxes. Only little downside is the position of the patch bay imho. As I do mainly ambient, I'm not much into the drum machine business, but for the price, I'm really tempted by the Edge to do some percussive experiments.
I hate ambient users ahaha , reverb everywhere and 0 knowledge of synthesis
@@Il-Cane why can’t someone make ambient music and understand synthesis? I don’t really understand
Ambient music, but not into drum machines? You're missing out on very interesting stuff
@@Il-Cane Get over yourself. Dont be a gatekeeper. I've been doing this for over 20 years and fully grasp synthesis and sound design. So, hate away. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Personally, I think it's fun to make and if it's fun then I don't see the issue, but you know what is better apparently.
Cant wait for my edge
These very little differences in sound make me wanna have more the EDGE than the DFAM. For sythbass or lead the moog sound would fit better, cause of its unexactness and "oily, sinister undertone" as Jason Tran describted, but for percussions and kicks i like the lttle better clearness of the behringer more. And what i like very much on the EDGE is the clock-divider!
But after all, they sound nearly exact the same.
so tiny diffrence going moog is 3 to 1 price 1 moog cost same as edge spice crave lolo
Hello, great video! Can you tell me what software do you use to show the soundwaves screens at 5:30? Cheers!
Meldaproductions there’s a free version of the oscilloscope you can use or pay around £30 for a few of their basics like this with some added functionality
At 5:34 and 5:40, rez filter sweep down and up respectively, the Moog's filter makes a strange noise. Not sure what that is?
I’d doesn’t in reality - I wonder if there’s some digital madness from rendering/uploading
@@StarskyCarr that's what I was thinking too.
can you midi trigger any sound in the sequence with the edge? or it only linear?
hello?
Does exist a Behringer's version of the Subharmonicon?
Can I ask where you got the knobs for your DFAM, the sequencer knobs can you share a link to where to buy pls ?
10:55 Thonk
@@lesterfalcon1350 awesome I didn't make it that far but thank you I will go have a look now.
Oh those flashy cables are ace! What are they?
Do you have a link for that lighted patch cables? What's that?
It’s from analog solutions
Hi. Can you please provide a link where did you get knobs for dfam. Thank you
www.thonk.co.uk/shop/dfam-knob-upgrade/
They sound damn nigh identical in the L+R stereo demo at the end!
Or maybe my left ear has an integrated 4 pole ladder filter 🤯
I was really excited when i first heard that the Edge was going to be released a while ago. But now that its available, the more video's that i see of the Edge, the more i dislike the sound that it makes. I am sure that there are plenty of people who love the sound and what the Edge does, but it just sounds like everything that it does is extremely distorted and over saturated to be useful. I am still really considering purchasing an Edge in the next couple of weeks, but i am really worried that its just not going to scratch that itch i have for randomised drums and percussion sounds.
Can the Midi in trigger the VCA and the pitch of the oscillators?
Found myself the info: ruclips.net/video/NQuho9IlCO4/видео.html
It has headphone out only? No 6,3 jack?
As someone with 2 DFAMS, I am absolutely blown away by how good the Edge sounds. Will need to get one, or three 😏. Great video!
Two DFAMS must be quite some fun at the same time... I was thinking of getting a second Edge if I enjoy the first one (pre-ordered it after watching Starsky's review of it).
@@fatkev1983 2 will take you further, same as having 2 Craves, they just more capabilities when having a 2nd.
I had 2 M32s, sold them because both Subharmonicon and DFAM never existed then.
Crave + Edge will bring you a ton of fun imo.
@@dankeplace I am looking forward to it!
3 Edge for the price of one DFAM is crazy if you think about it, considering they sound about the same.
@@ericMT Not really if you think about it. It's all about development cost and labour hours, and IMHO labour hours covers probably at least 75% of that. Manufacturing in China is quite a lot cheaper than manufacturing in Europe or the USA.
Nothing crazy about that. Just the usual cloning tactics. It's an old hat. I'm still surprised that Behringer has never been caught for violation of the copyright act. But I guess Moog doesn't really care.
Hey is that the Thonk knob kit on the DFAM?
Yes
If I were looking for something that can do rumbling style sounds, then Edge it is. But the DFAM clearly has a tighter low end and a filter with more overtones. What I'm looking for in this type of machine is something that doesn't just do boomy kick and bright hihat patterns. What I want is the modular glitch sound.
I already have sampled kicks and hihats so what I need is tom and percussion patterns. For that, the DFAM is the winner.
Why SEM filter?
Decay slope sounds different to my ear, which has quite a big effect on percussive sounds.
Pretty close, but Dfam sounds better to my ear.
Maybe the previous ones are part of the reason.
Not SEM filter. CEM which is a chip based filter.
Where’d you get those great dfam knobs?
Thonk in the UK
Starsky is tha GOD
dfam has those knobs that are easy to nudge by the edge of your fingers and is much more knob twiddler friendly. edge has midi. other than that, almost the same. i like the big ridged dfam knobs and already have a dfam. but edge sounds great too.
The DFAM's got this oily sinister undertone that sounds like it just cant be replicated. but you gotta ask yourself if its worth that huge leap in price difference.
Yep plus the Edge has midi
200 bucks I’m all about the behringer. I already tried to buy it but of course it’s not available yet. They’re promoting it as it is available which is always fun.
They both sound great, and one of them I can even afford!
Great comparison. I'd say for all intents and purposes they are identical. What a bargain the Edge is! 🔥
Or is the moog overpriced? 😊
It’s not really a bargain if somebody else is paying the price, is it?
@@XanderEwald So, who is paying the price?
@@suga4all Moog for developing the instrument
@daanleever6411 Moog didn't develop the instrument. They had an awesome idea, thats right. So kudos to Moog for being innovative, but the Edge is a complete redesign with own board, etc. So Behringer also put a ton of money into the development. To demand that nobody should produce an instrument like the DFAM is comparable to say that nobody should produce any subtractive synth, or Rhodes piano, etc. anymore. Plus, I don't believe that they both are in the same market. Moog is handmade, most likely higher quality and an original brand. People are buying the Edge because they can't afford the DFAM. And Moog fans who can afford it will still go for the original.
It's the Drummer From An Illegitimate Father.
lol
The Moog is throaty and fuller in a way. ...I am thinking though,i can get 2-3 Edges and put them together and probably head into new territory..
There is many differences but its all about taste and actually i have the 2 together so they can cohabitate if i have to keep one will stay with dfam but buying a second dfam no question better to go with a edge and buy some pedals for same price 👊
I have a DFAM. Have to admit, not much to separate them sound wise. Not to fussed on the garish pink. Hanging for the Acid Yellow Subharmonicon clone ;-)
Nope, it's red....
Sounds pretty damn great. Moog is great... but so is the Edge... and logos rarely impress me... 🐜
I'll probably be buying an Edge, because I can't afford a DFAM, I have a Mother 32, but it took me the best part of a year to save up for it! I have no issue with Behringer clones as they do what I need them to do at an affordable price.
stop being poor
@@_EightySix Thank you for your input. 🙄
@adrianrabbage4996 sorry, 🤣. I mean I can't afford certain gear either, but I find a way! It was a motivational comment.😂
@@_EightySix That's okay, now it has context it makes sense. Stay safe.
I’m getting the Edge.
Спасибо за это видео! Очень познавательно!
omg how cool is that?? i was always so interested in a dfam because its just such a techno beast but so expensive... now a poor mans dfam 😍
This convinced me that the behringer is the right choice.
Behringer is impressive!
The envelopes sound more gleaming on the dfam... If that means anything
I think the moog filter is a bit smoother but the rest is hard to tell especially over RUclips, but as for once it’s in a track I think anyone could be fooled either way. As for build quality well that goes to the moog but at 3 x the price that figures.
I can't speak to the moog, but the edge is built like a tank, absolutely rock solid.