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Looking forward to the EMR video as work at Derby head office. Having some of the inside knowledge of EMT, they weren't too good in terms of running a railway. We are still living with most of the problems they created back in the 2010's. Keep up these great videos :)
East mids parkway is such a nothing station (as a local!); they had the right idea for hs2 with planning a station in the sidings by toton and long eaton, since that actually serves some amount of people locally as well as connecting to the nottingham tram, but with the eastern branch long cancelled years ago I guess we'll never see Toton station!
Agreed, stagecoach was useless while EMT was successful. and yes I have memories of EMT, staff were super friendly. sometimes trains where overcrowded, I remember coming from London and having to sit on a suitcase by the doors on the London - Kettering service. I also remember going in 1st class as a guard upgraded me to 1st class. Better than other TOC’s on the meridians. and the stock they used was relatively good on the STP-N/A services.
Your video as with rest of series is awesome it stands to reason privatisation abject failure as of course given private shareholders they’ll have there noses right in trough siphoning off large amounts just as greedy post office management ripped off sub post masters and all money they lost
East Midlands Trains were very good and they ordered the Class 222 Meridians that were used on London St. Pancras-Corby, Leicester, Nottingham, Derby, Sheffield and East Midlands Parkway. I really liked the livery on their rolling stocks including on the Class 43 Mk3 HSTs and Class 153, Class 156 and Class 158 DMUs.
@@Andrewjg_89 actually it was NE MML that ordered the 222 that hull trains also used the 222 hence why they ended up having some as bombarida built modles for Hull trains
East Midlands Parkway is the SINGLE MOST USELESS STATION in Leicestershire, it is now only accessible via Taxi to the airport with NO outher conection two or from the station
The second service to Sheffield each hour was a good move but on the most part I found EMT to be pretty poor. Very expensive compared to the ECML services, often decrepit and overcrowded trains and very poor standards of cleanliness especially towards the end. The worst was the customer service though, wrote to complain to them several times and their customer service had a habit of dismissing complaints or downright lying. I hope things will improve with the new and refurbished trains of EMR when they happen but i do think that Norwich to Liverpool should be moved to CrossCountry or split at Nottingham with half going to Transpennine and half going to EMR. One of the biggest issues for both EMT and EMR intercity services though is that the four domestic platforms at St Pancras are woefully inadequate.
I used to catch the train from Nottingham and get off at one the stations on the Robin Hood line to see my girlfriend now wife. It use to be every half hour during the day from platform 1 and 3B at Nottingham. Covid hit then went down to one train an hour which is quite poor. As for East Midlands Airport, from Nottingham it will be useful if the tram could be extended, not the rail franchise. As always a great video.
The DoT was behind the inadequate rolling stock provision for Liverpool - Norwich services - they actually forbade the use of more than 2 carriages. I'm unsure about other services.
It's a bit of a stretch for EMT to claim any credit for the rise in Eurostar passengers following the switch to St Pancras... after all, there's little difference between walking from the MML platforms to the International ones at St Pancras compared to walking from Kings Cross. It did annoy me when they received Sprinters from Northern and put posters up apologising for the condition of the units... only to let their own units deteriorate over the next few years. The state of the 222s was atrocious by the time the EMT franchise ended, with threadbare seats and sticky carpets. Also, their refurbished 158s are awful, with only a few table bays remaining and barely any legroom in the airline seats. If I'm riding any (now EMR) routes that use their 158s I always hope that the ex-SWT unit will show up.
Funnily enough the actual EMT website suggested that they did affect Eurostar passengers so that is why I included it! The sprinters are pretty poor yes, the ex EMR ones with Northern are in a terrible state. The 158s are not terrible imo but definitely outdated now. Hopefully their EMR refresh will re invigerate them!
@@Vanmanyo marketing departments will say that because they share stations stagecoach sould always be taken with a pinch or salt yes sure they opened 2 new stations one was useless and the said bus to the airport stopped operating only a year after opening meaning it's only accessible now via taxi or a park and ride now the station is cold on the inside as it tapped off the cooling system for ratcliffe for thermal tapping into then cooling towners next door and since the powerplant has been slated for demolition it means that the station no longer has any heating
My Uncle was a manager of drivers around Derby/Nottignham for East Midlands Trains and is for East Midlands Railway! apparently the senior managers are horrible and dont care and just want money.
Not the first who has said that! I think that would probably be the case for most operators, especially those managed by a big company like Stagecoach or National Express
You talk about upgrading the interiors of their fleet but they were very basic, the IC125s still had low back seats and the seats in 222 fleet were allowed to get into a horrendous state.
Well personally I've always been a backer of nationalisation so hopefully we can see more electrification, cheaper fares and better services all round as they can be intergrated more!
@@Vanmanyoyes but the Rail Leasing companys Won't be nationalised this means that rolling stock will not be nationalised so nationalised Franchisees will still not own there own stock
@@PressPlayStudio_Officialsadly this is one of the biggest scandals regarding the Tory Privatisation. Hopefully all future stock will be owned in-house eliminating money leaching out of the industry for no benefit This is a built in tax on the public creating higher fares for generations
8:30 fully electrified to Sheffield by 2020. Ah what we could have had. I'm sure one day electrification will reach Sheffield. (I think it's going to get there in 2030 ish iirc)
Going off this topic with Labours privatisation ideas why not failing operators go to the goverment control (Avanti TPE) and successful companies (LNER EMR) stay on? an idea
I hope you enjoyed this penultimate episode on the operators of the Midland Mainline! Over 70% of you watching this are not subscribed - so if you do enjoy my videos please consider liking & subscribing!
A huge thanks to those who have allowed me to use their footage for todays video - whom without this video would not be possible to make;
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Totally not gonna buy a billboard and advertise ppl to subscribe mate XD You deserve more!
I would not say no to that proposal 🫣🫣
Looking forward to the EMR video as work at Derby head office. Having some of the inside knowledge of EMT, they weren't too good in terms of running a railway. We are still living with most of the problems they created back in the 2010's. Keep up these great videos :)
Cheers Gordon! Hopefully I won't be too harsh on EMR 😅 - personally I do quite like them as an operator but miss the variety in stock. Thanks again!
MML it’s one of the most underrated main lines in the uk but i love it
East mids parkway is such a nothing station (as a local!); they had the right idea for hs2 with planning a station in the sidings by toton and long eaton, since that actually serves some amount of people locally as well as connecting to the nottingham tram, but with the eastern branch long cancelled years ago I guess we'll never see Toton station!
Agreed, stagecoach was useless while EMT was successful. and yes I have memories of EMT, staff were super friendly. sometimes trains where overcrowded, I remember coming from London and having to sit on a suitcase by the doors on the London - Kettering service. I also remember going in 1st class as a guard upgraded me to 1st class. Better than other TOC’s on the meridians. and the stock they used was relatively good on the STP-N/A services.
Thought I went insane when it said 7 seconds and 2 days and then I remember the people that finance this get early access
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Your video as with rest of series is awesome it stands to reason privatisation abject failure as of course given private shareholders they’ll have there noses right in trough siphoning off large amounts just as greedy post office management ripped off sub post masters and all money they lost
East Midlands Trains were very good and they ordered the Class 222 Meridians that were used on London St. Pancras-Corby, Leicester, Nottingham, Derby, Sheffield and East Midlands Parkway.
I really liked the livery on their rolling stocks including on the Class 43 Mk3 HSTs and Class 153, Class 156 and Class 158 DMUs.
@@Andrewjg_89 actually it was NE MML that ordered the 222 that hull trains also used the 222 hence why they ended up having some as bombarida built modles for Hull trains
Yep. 👍
East Midlands Parkway is the SINGLE MOST USELESS STATION in Leicestershire, it is now only accessible via Taxi to the airport with NO outher conection two or from the station
The second service to Sheffield each hour was a good move but on the most part I found EMT to be pretty poor. Very expensive compared to the ECML services, often decrepit and overcrowded trains and very poor standards of cleanliness especially towards the end.
The worst was the customer service though, wrote to complain to them several times and their customer service had a habit of dismissing complaints or downright lying.
I hope things will improve with the new and refurbished trains of EMR when they happen but i do think that Norwich to Liverpool should be moved to CrossCountry or split at Nottingham with half going to Transpennine and half going to EMR.
One of the biggest issues for both EMT and EMR intercity services though is that the four domestic platforms at St Pancras are woefully inadequate.
Great video as always! I can't wait for the FGW video's 💀🤣
I used to catch the train from Nottingham and get off at one the stations on the Robin Hood line to see my girlfriend now wife. It use to be every half hour during the day from platform 1 and 3B at Nottingham. Covid hit then went down to one train an hour which is quite poor. As for East Midlands Airport, from Nottingham it will be useful if the tram could be extended, not the rail franchise.
As always a great video.
I personally prefer this livery to the EMR one. I think the EMT and SWT liveries looked absolutely gorgeous.
Used to use EMR frequently between Derby and Leicester and genuinely couldn't really complain apart from a bit if an iffy changeover to XC timing wise
The DoT was behind the inadequate rolling stock provision for Liverpool - Norwich services - they actually forbade the use of more than 2 carriages. I'm unsure about other services.
Thats absolutely bonkers , emr should look at how over crowded this service is very regularly and say something about it
It's a bit of a stretch for EMT to claim any credit for the rise in Eurostar passengers following the switch to St Pancras... after all, there's little difference between walking from the MML platforms to the International ones at St Pancras compared to walking from Kings Cross.
It did annoy me when they received Sprinters from Northern and put posters up apologising for the condition of the units... only to let their own units deteriorate over the next few years. The state of the 222s was atrocious by the time the EMT franchise ended, with threadbare seats and sticky carpets.
Also, their refurbished 158s are awful, with only a few table bays remaining and barely any legroom in the airline seats. If I'm riding any (now EMR) routes that use their 158s I always hope that the ex-SWT unit will show up.
Funnily enough the actual EMT website suggested that they did affect Eurostar passengers so that is why I included it!
The sprinters are pretty poor yes, the ex EMR ones with Northern are in a terrible state.
The 158s are not terrible imo but definitely outdated now. Hopefully their EMR refresh will re invigerate them!
@@Vanmanyo marketing departments will say that because they share stations stagecoach sould always be taken with a pinch or salt yes sure they opened 2 new stations one was useless and the said bus to the airport stopped operating only a year after opening meaning it's only accessible now via taxi or a park and ride now the station is cold on the inside as it tapped off the cooling system for ratcliffe for thermal tapping into then cooling towners next door and since the powerplant has been slated for demolition it means that the station no longer has any heating
Overall,Same Great quality+a operator I find interest in! :D
My Uncle was a manager of drivers around Derby/Nottignham for East Midlands Trains and is for East Midlands Railway! apparently the senior managers are horrible and dont care and just want money.
Not the first who has said that! I think that would probably be the case for most operators, especially those managed by a big company like Stagecoach or National Express
When are you doing a South Western series
All in good time Jack, all in good time!
You talk about upgrading the interiors of their fleet but they were very basic, the IC125s still had low back seats and the seats in 222 fleet were allowed to get into a horrendous state.
Well they did technically refurbish them to EMT branding but yes the HST sets still featured their original seats.
How do you think Labour’s plans for rail will impact the UK net work?
Well personally I've always been a backer of nationalisation so hopefully we can see more electrification, cheaper fares and better services all round as they can be intergrated more!
@@Vanmanyoyes but the Rail Leasing companys Won't be nationalised this means that rolling stock will not be nationalised so nationalised Franchisees will still not own there own stock
@@PressPlayStudio_Officialsadly this is one of the biggest scandals regarding the Tory Privatisation. Hopefully all future stock will be owned in-house eliminating money leaching out of the industry for no benefit This is a built in tax on the public creating higher fares for generations
8:30 fully electrified to Sheffield by 2020. Ah what we could have had. I'm sure one day electrification will reach Sheffield. (I think it's going to get there in 2030 ish iirc)
Please can you do swr
Going off this topic with Labours privatisation ideas why not failing operators go to the goverment control (Avanti TPE) and successful companies (LNER EMR) stay on? an idea
LNER is in government control.
@@asataadae1182 Is it? Blimey maybe the government have a good shot with everything then
TPE and LNER are operators of last resort
can we have norhtan next?
I have already done Northern by arriva, but Arriva Trains Northern is one for the future!
No need for the question mark in the title, privatisation always brings success!
Well not in the rail industry Freddo6120
Margaret thatcher? Is that you?
I see the ghost of Maggie Thatchers joined the comments.