Thank you Art!!! I watched your other vids too, as well as other people's reviews, but THIS ONE had the exact comparison info I needed to decide which Mac Mini to get! Really appreciate the effort you put into providing these details.
Incredible work! This is a great video, just pure facts and statistics! This video just covers everything perfectly. Not much else to say except amazing video, even 11 months later.
Great reviews, very informative! I'm curious to know if you have any information on the Lightroon dng conversion speed for the M2 Pro 16GB RAM? Could that be compared to the 1:1 converison? Kindly F
Amazing comparisons! Thank you so much for the hard work. I was looking at import times for capture one 22 from your Mac Studio videos last year, and noticed the more recent benchmarks using CO 23 have shorter import time. Could you confirm whether CO 23 has improved their import time? Thank you!
Again great videos comparing the various models from a photography perspective. I am going to get a Macbook Pro M2 model with 32GB and 1TB. The only decision I have not made yet is if I should go for 14" or 16". I am really in doubt. Since I have the Mac Studio + Studio Display for work at home I don't need the 16" on the Macbook when using it at home but I might want it if I am away from home. Do you have an opinion? Price aside but given you also have the Studio setup which screen size on a Macbook would you prefer for photography and video work ? I don't remember if you in any of your videos have compared the two models on screensize. I would assume that the only difference is the physical size of the displays ?
Great question and one that I'll be exploring in a video soon. Thank you for the idea. So here is where I am at. I stated out with the 16" MBP M1 MAX large screen has always been my thing and I want the largest possible. But weight and size reality kick in really quickly. And since I have the Mac Studio at home, I don't really need a super large screen. So I have been doing a few things, I have taken the M2 MacBook Air out to travel with me on occasion. It is light weight, small but lack the power for me. So this time around I settled with the 14" MBP M2 MAX stock config. It is lighter than the 16" MBP and still has a lot of power. Weight is becoming more of an issue and I don't want to carry all of that weight on my back or lugged it around. My cameras are heavy enough as it is already. I hope this helps.
When it comes to the comparison for the models, this is only channel I should watch, no non-sense like running 5 apps on the base model of Air, the comparison just between Air with 8GB/256GB and Pro with 16GB/512GB to see which is more capable, and of course “why do I return my (base model) Air”Thank you, Art!
Yes! A head to head comparison between M2 pro 10c/16c and M2 pro 12c/19c. It’s just surprising how the mac mini performs better than the laptops for supposedly the same configuration. Could it be some kind of power setting? Thermal throttling doesn’t seem super likely considering that benchmark scores are about same between mini and macbooks.
I would think it has to do more with thermal. And if you look at the results the Mini M2 Pro Performs better in tasks that uses GPU. I would say rather than throttling, the cooler on the Mac mini is more efficient at dissipating heat. Because on many of these test the mini heats up and the top is on the hotter side to touch, much hotter than the regular M1 and M2 that just hums along. On the 14MBP, the fan would kick on during many of these intensive tasks.
Want to upgrade from Mac mini m1/16 to Mac Studio max or Mac mini m2 pro/32 but I got the feeling m2 pro would be more than enought I am just on the fence with this heating up and noise. Do you think this affects the longevity of the machine ? And m2 pro in Mac mini do you think in long export like 45 min it throttles? If so I may be buying m2 max cuz heating up makes me nervous.
@@uncleanAlibertine1 the processor runs cool even with long exports. I’ve never had a thermal issue worth this machine. Never heard the fan spin up (granted it’s placed quite far away from my monitor/workspace).
i already asked that on some other video but i will repeat here just in case 🙏🏼 would you go for M2 11c/16gpu or pay a bit more and go with M2 12/19 OR M3 11/14 as they are literally the same price where i am ? so much choice im confused. mostly graphic photo vid 3d work
Unless they are in my latest video no. But I would venture they are close. Graphic and 3D I would go with more GPU, if you app can utilized it, look at the machine price as well
@@ArtIsRight thank you ! for some reason i missed this answear and i left many comments that may have been bit chaotic as i was mentioning few models but between these two ( m2 12/19 vs m3 11/14 ~ i assume that’s what your answear is about ) i would recon the same go with higher gpu. i know tho m3 has some additional features eg about 3d or some slightly different built and sadly nobody saw how those two go against each other . the price difference here is just 50€ but the jump from more base m2 pro to this version ~ 300 and if i go with this one i would just hope its worth it not just spent money without the seeked improvements and id have been better of with m3 hard choices haha really i’m bit confused not gonna lie
Hi Art. Thanks for this. Max Tech stated recently that the better first upgrade for photo and video tasks is to get more cores before bumping up the ramp. Because you can’t take advantage of some of the RAM improvement with lower core machines. What do you think of this suggestion?
Oh I think what they are referring to is Max amount of RAM. For the Pro SoC, between 12 vs 10 CPU the max ram amount is the same. And you are paying way more to upgrade the 2 cores vs get more RAM. Perhaps, it should be stated that choose the SoC variety first, rather cores for clarity. So my advise still stands, for photo upgrade RAM first and if you need more Ram that exceed what the variety offer then upgrade SoC and then RAM.
it must also be said that I did the exact same tests of Max Tech with the 14" base M2 Pro (512GB SSD) in data transfer and video export (with Final Cut Pro), and my results are quite different and the M2 Pro it is about 18-20% faster for me in comparison to his results. Perhaps his tests were carried out with a chip that has not yet been perfectly optimized with the updates of the last few months.
I found NEW base 14" Macbook Pro with M2 pro for 500€ less than Apple site (16Gb of RAM, 512 ssd). Obviously not configurable, take it or leave it. I bought it to try it out and return it if I wasn't satisfied. I do advanced video editing all day every day, 4k, 6k, raw video... never a hesitation, never a slowdown. Maybe they have optimized chip M2 Pro with the update in the last months? Very fast and very silent video export. I had no reason to return it. Truly beast
HI, Can u thorough compare M1 Max Studio Base Model VS Top M2 Mac mini Pro 12/19 trying to keep same amount of RAM on both. and allocating Similar Percentage for Performance on both machine. This is specific to Video Editing on Adobe Premiere and Resolve and Photoshop and LRC and after effects too. as these models thorough comparison are not available anywhere. As for not heavy user but having the facility to go heavy on some projects. It would be great to see them both in action, as its the most confusing jump which needs to be taken.
@@ArtIsRightThanks for your Prompt Response, yes me aware of MAX and that's on my hotlist, but I am an occasional video editor and mostly basic 4 K basic editing and at the most encoding the footage, along with regular usage in general and some on and off photoshop work.. will definitely wait for that video. Thanks
Amazing content. I recently bought a gigabyte rtx3080ti to go inside an egpu housing I'd had sitting around empty for over 18 months. Expected it to wipe the floor in deep prime / pure raw timings, when compared with the diminutive Mac mini... I was wrong! Would be amazing to see any egpu / rtx GPU comparisons in any future content as well!
Hi. You're doing a great job with these comparisons. I have a question - I am a photographer and I work in Lightroom and Photoshop. I want to switch from PC to Mac. I'm considering Mac studio (m1max 10/24, 32gb and 1tb) vs Mac mini m2 pro (12/19, 32gb and 1tb). Which one do you recommend more. Maybe in a different configuration?
Between those 2 and just strictly for photography, I would go with the Mini, It is a close one. If you do any video or serious about video I would choose the Studio. I'll have a video on this coming next week.
@@ArtIsRight Yes - only for photography. Mini does not have 64gb of ram. Now you probably don't need more than 32gb, but in 2-3 years? What do you think? That's why I started thinking about Studio
Thanks for the extensive comparison! As I am still looking for upgrading my MB Pro (early 2013) machine to something a bit faster (my main photo editing work is with Capture One Pro 20, as this is still working okay, but can use a bit less coffee breaks during my work, if you know what I mean). Seeing this, the M2Pro machines with memory upgrade are good enough, although on the other hand, currently for the same price (or a bit less) of a Mac Mini M2 Pro with upgraded memory, I can now get a M1 Max Studio (brand new). Have to check one of your other videos how the base M1 Max compares to the M2 Pro (base chip, with upgrade memory). “the search for my holy grail continues” 🙂 Thanks!! Greetings!
If you are looking at desktop, go with the M2 Max, unless you can get a stellar deal on the M1 Max. As far as laptop goes, Pro will do just fine. Pretty much anything will be exponentially faster than your 2013 MBP
@@ArtIsRight Hi Art, thanks for your reply, appreciated. Regarding the deal on the M1 Max (desktop), The Studio M1 Max goes over the counter for €1.879 / approx $2.090 currently. The Studio M2 Max is tagged at €2.349 / approx $2.615. So that is for the M2 Max €470 extra on speed and hardware upgrades, food for thought.. For the laptop you say, the Pro will do fine.. Well that is something I do not understand completely if for the desktop the M2 Max is the "go to". Perhaps you can please explain? The situation is that I will replace my old MBP2013 for a desktop (hahaha everything will be faster than that old beast). As what I have noticed the last few years, is that most of my work (photography, wedding, concerts, portrait) is behind my desk, so no need to carry my laptop around. In the rare cases I need to go and shoot on location, perhaps thinking of getting a MB Air for just thethered shooting. As far as I understand one of the advantages of the Silicon chip, is you can run Capture One Pro on an external NVMe SSD, right? The idea is to run C1 Pro on a dedicated external NVMe SSD, in cases I have to go on location, just having the external drive with my default settings with me. (or is that just a weird idea?)
Everything is relative, do you want a desktop or laptop. Desktop I recommend MAX because the price point for the pro with upgrade is easily encroaching on Mac Studio MAX price already. For laptop, you are paying a bit more to get to the MAX model, so the justification is not necessary the same. It also depends if you are on the budget or not and what that is because that will be the limiting factor. If you just want to get the best one possible for each then Ultra for the desktop and Max for the laptop. The reality is that is regardless of what you pick and even if you pick the M2 with an upgraded RAM, that will be leaps and bound faster than MBP2013. "As far as I understand one of the advantages of the Silicon chip, is you can run Capture One Pro on an external NVMe SSD, right? The idea is to run C1 Pro on a dedicated external NVMe SSD, in cases I have to go on location, just having the external drive with my default settings with me. (or is that just a weird idea?)" This is regardless of Apple Silicon or Intel, technically you can run any app off external drives but it is not recommended. What you can do is shoot so that your images are tethered to an external drive - that would be a possibility one that is easily done.
Super Thanks! Just did a bit of work on my old MBP, the convenience of having 2 screens is very pleasant (I only have 1 27” monitor). So taking back a MacBookPro into consideration. In that case would go for the base M2 Pro chip,but will add some extra RAM. SSD Will be base, as external drives are much cheaper and quite fast. Thanks again for your wise words 😎👍🏾
PHENOMENAL comparison video! I can't thank you enough for taking all this time to tests all these configurations! ♥♥♥♥ My decision is now set!
Very welcome!
Thank you Art!!! I watched your other vids too, as well as other people's reviews, but THIS ONE had the exact comparison info I needed to decide which Mac Mini to get! Really appreciate the effort you put into providing these details.
Awesome, thank you!
I feel like this is so useful. Top 10 underrated channels I know
Thank you!
Thank you so much !! 🤩 You did a great job on this !
Thank You!
Incredible work! This is a great video, just pure facts and statistics! This video just covers everything perfectly. Not much else to say except amazing video, even 11 months later.
Wow, thank you!
@@ArtIsRight No, thank you! This video is an absolute gem. It's detailed, it's in depth, it's how every comparison video should be!
Good spec comparison.
I'm impressed with how different each computer performs with the different tasks.
Totally
Great video. This is exactly what I've been waiting for. Thanks Art.
Awesome!
Best comparison. Thanks for doing this video!
My pleasure!
Awesome work to deliver such a comprehensive video and smart advise to choose the right configuration!
Thank you for these video ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Always thoroughly educational and informative
Thank you!
Thank you Art. Real life comparisons, nothing like it on the net. You rock my friend.
Much appreciated!
Love you channel, professional and great factual explanation
Thanks
Much appreciated!
Great reviews, very informative! I'm curious to know if you have any information on the Lightroon dng conversion speed for the M2 Pro 16GB RAM? Could that be compared to the 1:1 converison? Kindly F
Somewhat, DNG is faster. But that is such a great point. I might have to add that in my test :)
Thank you, good to hear!
Great showing, had to sub 👍
Awesome, thank you!
You EARNED my view. Well done.
Thank you!
i love you. gonna get the m2 with 10 cores and 32 gb ram. made my research so much easier. you need more subs. thank you!
Much appreciated! And I agree, need more sub!
Amazing comparisons! Thank you so much for the hard work.
I was looking at import times for capture one 22 from your Mac Studio videos last year, and noticed the more recent benchmarks using CO 23 have shorter import time. Could you confirm whether CO 23 has improved their import time? Thank you!
Slightly, more like single digits % time improvements. Still a long ways to go.
Again great videos comparing the various models from a photography perspective.
I am going to get a Macbook Pro M2 model with 32GB and 1TB. The only decision I have not made yet is if I should go for 14" or 16". I am really in doubt. Since I have the Mac Studio + Studio Display for work at home I don't need the 16" on the Macbook when using it at home but I might want it if I am away from home.
Do you have an opinion? Price aside but given you also have the Studio setup which screen size on a Macbook would you prefer for photography and video work ? I don't remember if you in any of your videos have compared the two models on screensize. I would assume that the only difference is the physical size of the displays ?
Great question and one that I'll be exploring in a video soon. Thank you for the idea. So here is where I am at. I stated out with the 16" MBP M1 MAX large screen has always been my thing and I want the largest possible. But weight and size reality kick in really quickly. And since I have the Mac Studio at home, I don't really need a super large screen. So I have been doing a few things, I have taken the M2 MacBook Air out to travel with me on occasion. It is light weight, small but lack the power for me. So this time around I settled with the 14" MBP M2 MAX stock config. It is lighter than the 16" MBP and still has a lot of power. Weight is becoming more of an issue and I don't want to carry all of that weight on my back or lugged it around. My cameras are heavy enough as it is already. I hope this helps.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you. Yes weight definately is a factor when also carrying camera gear.
Very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome!
When it comes to the comparison for the models, this is only channel I should watch, no non-sense like running 5 apps on the base model of Air, the comparison just between Air with 8GB/256GB and Pro with 16GB/512GB to see which is more capable, and of course “why do I return my (base model) Air”Thank you, Art!
You're welcome. I was beginning to wonder if should start to use those clickbait title ;)
Great work , always very informative for us listeners
Much appreciated
Excellent and thorough breakdown of M series chip performance. Thank you.
You are welcome!
Thanks for this great video. ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Yes! A head to head comparison between M2 pro 10c/16c and M2 pro 12c/19c.
It’s just surprising how the mac mini performs better than the laptops for supposedly the same configuration. Could it be some kind of power setting?
Thermal throttling doesn’t seem super likely considering that benchmark scores are about same between mini and macbooks.
I would think it has to do more with thermal. And if you look at the results the Mini M2 Pro Performs better in tasks that uses GPU. I would say rather than throttling, the cooler on the Mac mini is more efficient at dissipating heat. Because on many of these test the mini heats up and the top is on the hotter side to touch, much hotter than the regular M1 and M2 that just hums along. On the 14MBP, the fan would kick on during many of these intensive tasks.
Want to upgrade from Mac mini m1/16 to Mac Studio max or Mac mini m2 pro/32 but I got the feeling m2 pro would be more than enought I am just on the fence with this heating up and noise. Do you think this affects the longevity of the machine ? And m2 pro in Mac mini do you think in long export like 45 min it throttles? If so I may be buying m2 max cuz heating up makes me nervous.
@@uncleanAlibertine1 the processor runs cool even with long exports. I’ve never had a thermal issue worth this machine. Never heard the fan spin up (granted it’s placed quite far away from my monitor/workspace).
Thnx! What type of work do you do with machine? Are you satisfied or would you opt for max studio m2?
@@uncleanAlibertine1 photography. Edits and exports primarily, on Capture One.
Thx from France, you saved my money 🎊✊🏻.
No problem 👍
Superb information, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
i already asked that on some other video but i will repeat here just in case 🙏🏼 would you go for M2 11c/16gpu or pay a bit more and go with M2 12/19 OR M3 11/14 as they are literally the same price where i am ?
so much choice im confused.
mostly graphic photo vid 3d work
Unless they are in my latest video no. But I would venture they are close. Graphic and 3D I would go with more GPU, if you app can utilized it, look at the machine price as well
@@ArtIsRight thank you ! for some reason i missed this answear and i left many comments that may have been bit chaotic as i was mentioning few models but between these two ( m2 12/19 vs m3 11/14 ~ i assume that’s what your answear is about ) i would recon the same go with higher gpu. i know tho m3 has some additional features eg about 3d or some slightly different built and sadly nobody saw how those two go against each other . the price difference here is just 50€ but the jump from more base m2 pro to this version ~ 300
and if i go with this one i would just hope its worth it not just spent money without the seeked improvements and id have been better of with m3
hard choices haha really
i’m bit confused not gonna lie
Hi Art. Thanks for this.
Max Tech stated recently that the better first upgrade for photo and video tasks is to get more cores before bumping up the ramp. Because you can’t take advantage of some of the RAM improvement with lower core machines. What do you think of this suggestion?
Oh I think what they are referring to is Max amount of RAM. For the Pro SoC, between 12 vs 10 CPU the max ram amount is the same. And you are paying way more to upgrade the 2 cores vs get more RAM. Perhaps, it should be stated that choose the SoC variety first, rather cores for clarity. So my advise still stands, for photo upgrade RAM first and if you need more Ram that exceed what the variety offer then upgrade SoC and then RAM.
it must also be said that I did the exact same tests of Max Tech with the 14" base M2 Pro (512GB SSD) in data transfer and video export (with Final Cut Pro), and my results are quite different and the M2 Pro it is about 18-20% faster for me in comparison to his results. Perhaps his tests were carried out with a chip that has not yet been perfectly optimized with the updates of the last few months.
I found NEW base 14" Macbook Pro with M2 pro for 500€ less than Apple site (16Gb of RAM, 512 ssd). Obviously not configurable, take it or leave it. I bought it to try it out and return it if I wasn't satisfied. I do advanced video editing all day every day, 4k, 6k, raw video... never a hesitation, never a slowdown. Maybe they have optimized chip M2 Pro with the update in the last months?
Very fast and very silent video export. I had no reason to return it. Truly beast
Apple focus on video for their silicon, any SoC will do well in video.
Thanks!
Thank you!
HI, Can u thorough compare M1 Max Studio Base Model VS Top M2 Mac mini Pro 12/19 trying to keep same amount of RAM on both. and allocating Similar Percentage for Performance on both machine. This is specific to Video Editing on Adobe Premiere and Resolve and Photoshop and LRC and after effects too. as these models thorough comparison are not available anywhere. As for not heavy user but having the facility to go heavy on some projects. It would be great to see them both in action, as its the most confusing jump which needs to be taken.
That is coming next week on Monday probably! But if you do video, get the Studio no doubt. more encoder decoder engine in the MAX. Stay tuned!
@@ArtIsRightThanks for your Prompt Response, yes me aware of MAX and that's on my hotlist, but I am an occasional video editor and mostly basic 4 K basic editing and at the most encoding the footage, along with regular usage in general and some on and off photoshop work.. will definitely wait for that video. Thanks
Amazing content. I recently bought a gigabyte rtx3080ti to go inside an egpu housing I'd had sitting around empty for over 18 months. Expected it to wipe the floor in deep prime / pure raw timings, when compared with the diminutive Mac mini... I was wrong! Would be amazing to see any egpu / rtx GPU comparisons in any future content as well!
Thanks
Hi. You're doing a great job with these comparisons. I have a question - I am a photographer and I work in Lightroom and Photoshop. I want to switch from PC to Mac. I'm considering Mac studio (m1max 10/24, 32gb and 1tb) vs Mac mini m2 pro (12/19, 32gb and 1tb). Which one do you recommend more. Maybe in a different configuration?
Between those 2 and just strictly for photography, I would go with the Mini, It is a close one. If you do any video or serious about video I would choose the Studio. I'll have a video on this coming next week.
@@ArtIsRight Yes - only for photography. Mini does not have 64gb of ram. Now you probably don't need more than 32gb, but in 2-3 years? What do you think? That's why I started thinking about Studio
@@ArtIsRight go with the mini, the Max chips has more video encoding/decoding chips, but you don't need that
In 2 - 3 years if your work is about the same, RAM need would not increase much.
@@ArtIsRight you think so. Hmm so mini...
Thanks for the extensive comparison! As I am still looking for upgrading my MB Pro (early 2013) machine to something a bit faster (my main photo editing work is with Capture One Pro 20, as this is still working okay, but can use a bit less coffee breaks during my work, if you know what I mean). Seeing this, the M2Pro machines with memory upgrade are good enough, although on the other hand, currently for the same price (or a bit less) of a Mac Mini M2 Pro with upgraded memory, I can now get a M1 Max Studio (brand new). Have to check one of your other videos how the base M1 Max compares to the M2 Pro (base chip, with upgrade memory). “the search for my holy grail continues” 🙂 Thanks!!
Greetings!
If you are looking at desktop, go with the M2 Max, unless you can get a stellar deal on the M1 Max. As far as laptop goes, Pro will do just fine. Pretty much anything will be exponentially faster than your 2013 MBP
@@ArtIsRight Hi Art, thanks for your reply, appreciated. Regarding the deal on the M1 Max (desktop), The Studio M1 Max goes over the counter for €1.879 / approx $2.090 currently. The Studio M2 Max is tagged at €2.349 / approx $2.615. So that is for the M2 Max €470 extra on speed and hardware upgrades, food for thought.. For the laptop you say, the Pro will do fine.. Well that is something I do not understand completely if for the desktop the M2 Max is the "go to". Perhaps you can please explain? The situation is that I will replace my old MBP2013 for a desktop (hahaha everything will be faster than that old beast). As what I have noticed the last few years, is that most of my work (photography, wedding, concerts, portrait) is behind my desk, so no need to carry my laptop around. In the rare cases I need to go and shoot on location, perhaps thinking of getting a MB Air for just thethered shooting. As far as I understand one of the advantages of the Silicon chip, is you can run Capture One Pro on an external NVMe SSD, right? The idea is to run C1 Pro on a dedicated external NVMe SSD, in cases I have to go on location, just having the external drive with my default settings with me. (or is that just a weird idea?)
Everything is relative, do you want a desktop or laptop. Desktop I recommend MAX because the price point for the pro with upgrade is easily encroaching on Mac Studio MAX price already. For laptop, you are paying a bit more to get to the MAX model, so the justification is not necessary the same. It also depends if you are on the budget or not and what that is because that will be the limiting factor. If you just want to get the best one possible for each then Ultra for the desktop and Max for the laptop. The reality is that is regardless of what you pick and even if you pick the M2 with an upgraded RAM, that will be leaps and bound faster than MBP2013.
"As far as I understand one of the advantages of the Silicon chip, is you can run Capture One Pro on an external NVMe SSD, right? The idea is to run C1 Pro on a dedicated external NVMe SSD, in cases I have to go on location, just having the external drive with my default settings with me. (or is that just a weird idea?)"
This is regardless of Apple Silicon or Intel, technically you can run any app off external drives but it is not recommended. What you can do is shoot so that your images are tethered to an external drive - that would be a possibility one that is easily done.
Super Thanks! Just did a bit of work on my old MBP, the convenience of having 2 screens is very pleasant (I only have 1 27” monitor). So taking back a MacBookPro into consideration. In that case would go for the base M2 Pro chip,but will add some extra RAM. SSD Will be base, as external drives are much cheaper and quite fast. Thanks again for your wise words 😎👍🏾
I thought that for LR/LRC the M2 Pro would out perform the M1 Max.
Not sure where you get that idea from? In preview possibly but in export with hardware acceleration, no way.
Ah.. this will be interesting.
It is...
I’m looking for someone like art but for software development
Great question, do you use Swift, or what language do you dev in?
great channel... instant sub from me :) TY
Awesome, thank you!