Background, M551 "Sheridan" AR/AAV (Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle used the Modified/M81E1 152 mm gun/launcher with MGM-51 Shillelagh anti-tank missile. steel turret and aluminum hull could only handle up to 12.7 MM rounds, anything over a 50 cal. BMG like RPGs or Mines would kill it, when in service it was more deadly to the crew then the enemy. The M10 Booker is for the next conflict when America will not have control of the airspace. Designed to take out IFV and hard points like machine gun nests with low cost 105mm rounds so missiles can be saved for MBT. The operational testing of video showed a need for super elevation when firing. Before you fire aim about 30 degrees over the target, fire let the missile gain speed then guild the missile back on target. As always CH detail has been outstanding and my post is just my 2 cents.
The M1A2 SEPv3 could really use the Trophy APS since that’s the system they use irl (but still in small numbers, I believe), and since all CH’s recent MBT mods seem to have some kind of an APS. Also, there’s a new smart 120 mm round developed by Northrop Grumman, the M1147 Advanced Multi-Purpose (AMP), which is going to replace every single ammunition type on an Abrams except for the APFSDS-T. The AMP has three fuse modes: point detonate, point detonate delay, and airburst. Initially, people were skeptical whether a single round could replace such a large variety of ammo types but later everyone who took part in testing was supposedly blown away by its effectiveness 😉
Interesting stuff, the capabilities you mentioned for the AMR sound like one of the rounds the Navy fires from its MK 45 gun system. It has the same fuse options as well.
I’ve just learned something new about the Phalanx CIWS and I’d love to share it with you. It turns out that the newest version of the Phalanx CIWS is not the Block 1B we have in DCS like I thought (I suspect I wasn’t alone believing that because the newer upgrades are rarely mentioned). The CIWS has been upgraded at least two times since the introduction of the Block 1B in 1999 (which is really called Block 1B Baseline 0). It turns out that the actual newest version is designated ‘Mk 15 Block 1B Baseline 2’ and it’s been introduced in 2016 (As of 2019, the Baseline 2 radar upgrade has been installed on all U.S. Navy Phalanx system-equipped vessels). The main upgrade is changing the old analog radar to a new digital one. Here I’ll quote a US Navy budget document titled ‘LI 4205 - Close-In Wpns Sys (CIWS) Mods’: “This budget provides for the procurement of Block IB Baseline 2 Radar Upgrades. This is a new state of the art digital radar that provides improved performance and increased reliability. It mitigates 200 obsolete components inherent in the existing analog radar by introducing advanced commercial-off-the-shelf based signal processing coupled with new low noise signal source. It provides a 2x sensitivity increase along with expanded Doppler (velocity) coverage required for detection and tracking of advanced Anti Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM) and asymmetric threats, provides a 10% increase in system level reliability and provides a 15% reduction in sailor man-hours required for CIWS planned system maintenance.”
The Sheridan was not considered a light tank, it was a recon vehicle (at least when we had it in 3AD). 3/12 Cav used them, as did 11 ACR. The 152mm gun/launcher had an electric breech, used combustible cartridges (mostly HEAT rounds) and also fired the Shillelagh missile (which was a horrid failure). We had the same gun tube on the M60A2 tank (very short lived experiment before the M60A3 came out). The 3/12 Cav had their 551s replaced with M60s in the mid 70s when the Sheridans started catching fire.
Functionally, it's much closer to the true role of light tank vs. the M10 Booker. The Sheridan really lost a lot of it's light tank use case in Vietnam, where it was lighter and more mobile than an M60. It also was used for recon, which I don't believe the M10 is going to attempt to do. That's a job for drones in this day and age.
@@SlavicCelery It's just with that slow closing electric breech, it would have been a goner in tank to tank warfare. With a mechanical breech (like in the M60, A1 and A3) we could get two rounds down range in 15 seconds, target target sensing. With that electric breech (and the rubber bootie on the cartridge) we were a lot slower than that.
@@RossOneEyed 1. It's not designed around the concept of tank to tank combat. It's designed to have a direct fire support close to the infantry and more directly integrated. Think about the M10 like the infantry armor in WW2. It's about taking out a pillbox. It's about blasting a treeline. Think about how many videos you can see of the current conflict in Ukraine where it's a tank or some level of armor pinning infantry down in their holes so the friendlies can get close. That's what the unit is designed for, not anti-tank. 2. Do you consistently complain about the fact a Bradley is not designed to go toe to toe with enemy MBTs? Because, you shouldn't it's not primarily designed around that role. Yes it killed more armor in Desert Storm than any MBT on the field. But it's role is not built around that. The role of an IFV is an infantry support vehicle. It's not a tank. It's 25mm Bushmaster cannon is not designed around taking down tanks. Now it does have TOW missiles, but the primary purpose of the vehicle is to support and move infantry around the battlefield. MPF is like a extended Bradley force. It's taking care of what the MGS couldn't do without breaking down extensively. It's infantry support. It's not anti-armor, nor is it a breakthrough and scouting tank. It's a cannon directly associated with infantry, bringing something that APC/IFV can't bring - 105mm shell of hate screaming down with direct fire. So, if you want to judge the booker on being a bad light tank, or MBT you've made the classic blunder. It is like judging a goldfish for not climbing a tree. Or, judging a Sealion at the base of the Mariana Trench. That is not their purpose. Are you going to complain that an MRAP is a terrible high altitude drone?
The primary munition for 152 mm in the Sheridan was an ATGM. The gun round was meant for targets other than tanks. The missile never really worked and was abounded. The weapon system was also used in the M60a2.
Loved the video @GrimReapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The M551 Sheridan (No not like Patricia Routledge as Hyacinth Bucket on the British Comedy Series "Keeping Up Appearances") was an Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle developed to replace the M41 Walker Bulldog Light Tank from the 1950's. It could fire the MGM-151 Shillelagh Anti-Tank Guided Missile through it's 152 millimeter Gun (which is a 6" Gun). The Main Downsides to it's Design were that in addition to the Turret being Steel and it's Hull being Aluminum like the M113 Armored Personnel Carriers the Shells were Caseless Rounds meaning that the Powder Charges were Sown onto the base of the Shell. Crews were trained to not bother with it if the Charge was Faulty (i.e. Punctured and Dropping Powder all over the place) and they ended up just dropping the Round onto the Floor. This was something that would lead to the All too Familiar sight of Burnt out Tanks with their Heavy Steel Turrets slightly sinking into the Tank after hitting a Landmine, all at various angles with some even pointing almost straight up towards the Sky. Another Downside was the Rate of Fire of the Main Gun. In the Intense Fighting in Vietnam, there was something known as the "Mad Minute" for the Tank Crews which was to just keep shoving rounds into the Gun whenever Contact with the Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese Forces was made. The Two main Tanks in this instance were the M48A2 Patton and the M551 Sheridan. With the Patton's 90 millimeter Gun, you could just keep shoving rounds in as the spent casings of the last round was ejected, but with the Sheridan the Breach was all Mechanical. You'd have to wait for the Exhaust Fumes from the Last Round to get clear of the Barrel before a Green Light on the Firing Control Panel came on, after which the Breach would slowly Move Backwards and then Rotate about 90 Degrees towards the Left at which point you'd load the Caseless 152 millimeter Round in. Then the Breach would Slowly Rotate Back up and then Move Forward after which you'd need to wait for a Green Light on the Firing Control Panel to light before you'd fire the Gun and them the process starts all over again. In the Mad Minute, you'd have at least about 10 or 12 Rounds fired by a Patton Tank compared to maybe 2 or 3 Rounds by a Sheridan. To be Fair though, the Sheridan's did still see service after Vietnam with some better results. They were involved in Just Cause (the Invasion of Panama in 1989) and even saw Service in the early days of Operation Desert Shield acting as Targets to Familiarize Abrams Crews with the Appearance of the T-80 tanks as the Sheridan had both a Similar Profile and Turret Design. In Desert Storm, they were the Flanking force for the 3/73rd, seeing Tank-on-Tank Combat although limited to Reconnaissance due to their age and Light Armor. Of the 1,662 Sheridan's Built from 1966 to 1970, only 30 are left as Museum Pieces including One in Israel, One in Ottowa, Canada, one at Fort Johnson with a T-72 VISMOD and One of the 3rd Battalion, 73rd Regiments Sheridan's at Danville, Virginia at the American Armored Foundation's Tank and Ordinance War Memorial Museum. The M10 Booker is the Newest Vehicle to come into the United States Military inventory. These are meant to provide Fire Support for the Airborne Units as well as the Stryker Brigade Combat Regiments as a Replacement for the M1128 Stryker MGS (Mobile Gun System) which in turn was a Variant of the Stryker meant to fill in the Fire Support need that was left Vacant with the Scrapping of the M551 Sheridan AR/AAV's back in 2003. This is very new as Development dates back to around 2016/2017 with the Mobile Protected Firepower (MPF) Competition. The Name at the Time of the Competition was the Griifin II, but in 2023 it was Officially Named M10 Booker after Private Robert D. Booker who was killed in the North African Campaign in World War Two and Staff Sergeant Stevon Booker who was a Tank Commander during the Invasion of Baghdad. Source as per usual is Wikipedia. Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man! Great Models by Current Hill!
Cap, I really think the valued viewers are owed a scripted ground battle at this point. Show off all of CH's wonderful work in a giant ground battle. Tanks, IFVs, MSHORAD/CRAM, MRAPs, rocket and shell artillery, helicopters, jets, etc. Give the boys helicopters and put plenty of CRAM in there to dodge. Sometimes shoot-shoot is just as good as boom-boom. The Marder 20mm appear to be very underpowered actually. They would absolutely shred those M113s with their notoriously light armor. There's something about that Marder, I really like the gun. : ) And finally, you may have guessed it was coming. I can guarantee the M10 Booker would absolutely destroy the Sheridan tank. 50 years of technology difference alone guarantees that, plus the 105mm cannon with modern rounds are plenty to shed the Sheridan armor. Either way, please know that I only provide feedback out of love and respect!
The M551 is not, in reality, a smoothbore. It is a rifled gun, BUT it has a straight slot cut along the top of the barrel, in which a corresponding "key" on the GLATGM fits. So the HE and HEAT unguided shells are spin-stabilized by the rifling, but the missile comes out un-spun. Early versions of the gun/launcher had cracking from the slot, which required some reinforcing and reshaping. The "face" above the M551 gun is the guidance system for the missile. It works kind of the same way your television remote control does: the guidance emitter on the tank transmits coded infrared pulses, which are received by a receiver on the rear of the missile.
type 1130 has been in operation for many years, replacing and upgrading over the older type 630 (6 barrels 30mm). my guess is as chinese hypersonic weapons advanced, they realize ordinary CIWS is not capable of handling such weapons, so they upgraded to the type 1130. The latest type 1130 actually has a mini AESA radar attached to it for better target acquisation, i am not aware other CIWS has built in AESA radars like this....
Thanks for the new units as always. Just a few additions. - M1A2 SEPv3 has active protection. I forget which system they decided on adapting, but it's an add-on/band-aid until the next version of the Abrams has a bespoke integrated APS. - The M10 Booker is mobile fire support, effectively to be deployed quickly with US Army airborne units. It also effectively replaces the mobile fire support role lost when the Mobile Gun System (MGS) Styker variant with 105mm cannon went out of service due to multiple issues. - The Sheridan hasn't been in service for nearly 35 years going off memory? (too lazy to Google) - M777 is the standard US 155mm towed artillery.
Only some of the SEPv3's have Trophy (which was the APS you're thinking of) and it'll probably never see full integration because it's just a stopgap. The M10 isn't really replacing the MGS because SBCT's will never have them. That decision doesn't make sense to me, but that's what the Army is going with.
@@92HazelMochaTrophy itself will never be fully integrated, but the next Abrams revision should have its own integrated APS. They stated they were cancelling SEPv4 and going towards something more like AbramsX demonstrator specs. The Dragoon 30mm autocannon upgrades are the firepower replacement for Stryker BCTs, and the MGS was apparently cancelled due to logistical/repair issues more than anything else. But, in the grand scheme of the US Army overall, the M10 is taking the place of added firepower that isn't an armored section and is meant to deploy with the infantry. Then the USMC still operates some LAV25s I believe (with autocannons), not the same Stryker models or new ACV models. Those could use some upgrading.
@@jamison884 Dragoons are a nice step up, but imo it was the bare minimum to keep Strykers in service. They perform so much worse than Bradley's and should probably just be scrapped. At least with MGS we had heavy direct fire support indigenous to the SBCT, which is what 82nd is getting with the M10. Edit: it should be noted that I am heavily biased against the Stryker platform and I think they should leave service wholesale.
The M10 is for use beside the Bradly with the TOW missiles from the Bradly to handle a main battle tank and the M10 to take out harden positions and buildings. It will work in urban areas better and are light enough for air transport.
The M10, and M551 were extentions of the WWII tank destroyer concept. Used as anti armor support for airborne troops. You know how SAM sites and ships have a "beyond the horizon" radar mast? I kind of wonder why they haven't fitted a tank with a high mount radar targeting system. Can we just all agree right now, CH is the Merlin of DCS!!!
I love how you say you are not a Tech guy, yet you make these amazing videos and I do know enough to know it is all Tech. So you are very much a Tech Guy, and very good at it. But I do understand what you are talking about. No smart phones and shit like that... Thanks CAP!
New chassis, not based on any existing program. This they call the Booker, support gun, 105mm meant to destroy obstacles and entrenched hard points, not enemy tanks.
The m551 was the american try at an atgm launch via gun and besh, HE.. I don't know if it had APDS or darts but they where still using them in the army in the late 1990's.. I know some countries are still using them.. don't know if the US army is still using them but I don't think so.. I know in Vietnam they were used more like morters then as a tank.. Oh, and there not stabilized.. HEHE
Cap, good videos as ever. With the updated US and German units now in game do a 2020's version of the battle of Kasserine pass, with of course CAS on either side?
M10 isn't a light tank. You were both so close with the MPF name. It's basically a turreted STUG. It's a close support mobile firepower (105mm) platform. Light tanks are for recon and breakthrough maneuvers. Is it lighter? Yes. But so is a Bradley and we all know that's not a tank, that's an IFV.
Do we know if ED is working on a fix for VR in combined arms? I'd like to use it more but always have to back out of the game and switch to 2D mode with different settings. I'd like to be able to jump in after flying and use the sights correctly.
Great stuff CH. So many opportunities to have fun with those LD-3000's. What would it take to get past them? How many bombs from what height? Could the LD-3000's stop the raid at Pearl Harbor. Could you swarm them with modern airplanes and if so, how many would it take? Bzzzzz....bzzzzz fun.
these would be fun, though because of DCS limitations they won't ever be as effective as IRL. IRL they apparently use timed fuse rounds which dramatically reduces the number of rounds that need to be fired to kill a target. Which raises the intercepts per minute dramatically. But DCS can't do the round or the fancy targeting to use it to full effect. Likely it can exceed a target pr second intercept rate IRL if the targeting setup is made to maximise that
Cap, would you consider simulating a strike by an Ohio-class SSGN armed with Maritime Strike Tomahawks against a PLAN carrier group or amphibious group? For simplicity's sake, the submarine would not be modeled, only its missiles. Engagement distance (50nmi? 35nmi?) would be the main experimental variable, I imagine. Best regards, V. Viewington
IRL the rounds are timed fuse apparently, i'd assume if they're taking maximum benefit of that the targeting system is built to calculate how many rounds need to detonate near the target to achieve a given kill %, and then using estimated size from radar return vs the dispersion of the gun and an estimate of dud/malfunction rate a "number of rounds t fire" can be calculated. Such a number should be something that can be fired in a fraction of a second at 11,000 RPM, (Oerlikon has a twin barrel setup with around a 1000rpm combined RoF working on the same concept AFAIK). The advantage of the RoF is that because they can fire off the required rounds so quickly they only need a fraction of a second on each target, useful for snap shot situation, but also if there's a swarm atac in progress they can fire a burst and switch to another target before the rounds have even arrived, potentially under ideal conditions they might be able to engage several targets per second. Also a guided bullet i 30mm isn't really a thing, Oto-Melara is working on a 76mm round with those capabilities, and thats considered cutting edge.
Hey cap! I was thinking of a interesting video idea. What of attatchib long range typically ground to air weapons to aircraft? Like for exsample a sa-10 missle strapped to like a tu-95 or a patriot dropped out of a b-52, what kind of insane ranges would be possible? Would it be a actually good system when used with a awacs? Thanks for your time! P.s please test older munitions too! I have a feeling a sa-2 would be incredibly deadly in air to air!
the soviets technically did something like this with a few experimental versions of the tu-4 in the early 50s, called the g-300 (or something like that)
So, I had a chance to set the Sheridan up as an AI unit....I must say that the Shillelagh is MUCH too dependable. The missile, in actual use, was a flop. On the rare occasions where it would fly for a bit, it rarely tracked well. Would be more accurate firing HEAT rounds.
The M551 has been out of service since the 70’s, was not at all good for any job it was slated for. It fired a 152mm ARGM. I’m surprised to see it here, nice model though. Great work all around.
M551 was removed from mech units in the 70s, but it served with airborne units until the 1990s: 3-73 Armor of the 82d airborne deployed to Desert Storm with Sheridans.
IRL, I don't think the infamous M-551 is going to kill anything, let alone a light tank with a superior and more accurate armament! I'm not sure there was ever a successful engagement with the Shilelagh ATGM and the low velocity gun was pretty much useless. Probably one of the worst tanks ever designed. Nice models though!
@@woli6872 but for that to work, the bullet must impact the incoming g round rather than detonate in proximity with shrapnel creating the damage. A2A/S2A missiles don't hit the target, they use a proximity fuse.
@@superflyguy4488 most CRAM systems hit the target some do utilize proxy fuse ammunition and some SAM and AAM impact the target they don't always proxy fuse even though they all can proxy fuse
@@superflyguy4488 Usually, you need a higher caliber than 30 mm for the projectile to have enough volume inside in order to fit both a proximity fuse and a sufficient amount of HE to effectively shoot down stuff, and enough power for a reasonably flat trajectory, short time of flight, etc. AFAIK, effective anti-air proxi fuse rounds start at 35 mm.
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Background, M551 "Sheridan" AR/AAV (Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle used the Modified/M81E1 152 mm gun/launcher with MGM-51 Shillelagh anti-tank missile. steel turret and aluminum hull could only handle up to 12.7 MM rounds, anything over a 50 cal. BMG like RPGs or Mines would kill it, when in service it was more deadly to the crew then the enemy. The M10 Booker is for the next conflict when America will not have control of the airspace. Designed to take out IFV and hard points like machine gun nests with low cost 105mm rounds so missiles can be saved for MBT. The operational testing of video showed a need for super elevation when firing. Before you fire aim about 30 degrees over the target, fire let the missile gain speed then guild the missile back on target. As always CH detail has been outstanding and my post is just my 2 cents.
The M1A2 SEPv3 could really use the Trophy APS since that’s the system they use irl (but still in small numbers, I believe), and since all CH’s recent MBT mods seem to have some kind of an APS. Also, there’s a new smart 120 mm round developed by Northrop Grumman, the M1147 Advanced Multi-Purpose (AMP), which is going to replace every single ammunition type on an Abrams except for the APFSDS-T. The AMP has three fuse modes: point detonate, point detonate delay, and airburst. Initially, people were skeptical whether a single round could replace such a large variety of ammo types but later everyone who took part in testing was supposedly blown away by its effectiveness 😉
Hopefully not literally....
@@tomriley5790 Sorry for that pun. The tank crews were fine and impressed with the round 😅
Interesting stuff, the capabilities you mentioned for the AMR sound like one of the rounds the Navy fires from
its MK 45 gun system. It has the same fuse options as well.
I’ve just learned something new about the Phalanx CIWS and I’d love to share it with you. It turns out that the newest version of the Phalanx CIWS is not the Block 1B we have in DCS like I thought (I suspect I wasn’t alone believing that because the newer upgrades are rarely mentioned). The CIWS has been upgraded at least two times since the introduction of the Block 1B in 1999 (which is really called Block 1B Baseline 0). It turns out that the actual newest version is designated ‘Mk 15 Block 1B Baseline 2’ and it’s been introduced in 2016 (As of 2019, the Baseline 2 radar upgrade has been installed on all U.S. Navy Phalanx system-equipped vessels). The main upgrade is changing the old analog radar to a new digital one. Here I’ll quote a US Navy budget document titled ‘LI 4205 - Close-In Wpns Sys (CIWS) Mods’: “This budget provides for the procurement of Block IB Baseline 2 Radar Upgrades. This is a new state of the art digital radar that provides improved performance and increased reliability. It mitigates 200 obsolete components inherent in the existing analog radar by introducing advanced commercial-off-the-shelf based signal processing coupled with new low noise signal source. It provides a 2x sensitivity increase along with expanded Doppler (velocity) coverage required for detection and tracking of advanced Anti Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM) and asymmetric threats, provides a 10% increase in system level reliability and provides a 15% reduction in sailor man-hours required for CIWS planned system maintenance.”
@@Jeffrey.1978 Thanks for the info 🤝
I need to read up on the navy round…
The Sheridan was not considered a light tank, it was a recon vehicle (at least when we had it in 3AD). 3/12 Cav used them, as did 11 ACR. The 152mm gun/launcher had an electric breech, used combustible cartridges (mostly HEAT rounds) and also fired the Shillelagh missile (which was a horrid failure). We had the same gun tube on the M60A2 tank (very short lived experiment before the M60A3 came out). The 3/12 Cav had their 551s replaced with M60s in the mid 70s when the Sheridans started catching fire.
I believe the 82nd Airborne Division used those as well at some point
@@thomaschilders5546 They did, as well as 11th ACR, 1AD and a whole lot of other units.
Functionally, it's much closer to the true role of light tank vs. the M10 Booker. The Sheridan really lost a lot of it's light tank use case in Vietnam, where it was lighter and more mobile than an M60. It also was used for recon, which I don't believe the M10 is going to attempt to do. That's a job for drones in this day and age.
@@SlavicCelery It's just with that slow closing electric breech, it would have been a goner in tank to tank warfare. With a mechanical breech (like in the M60, A1 and A3) we could get two rounds down range in 15 seconds, target target sensing. With that electric breech (and the rubber bootie on the cartridge) we were a lot slower than that.
@@RossOneEyed 1. It's not designed around the concept of tank to tank combat. It's designed to have a direct fire support close to the infantry and more directly integrated.
Think about the M10 like the infantry armor in WW2. It's about taking out a pillbox. It's about blasting a treeline. Think about how many videos you can see of the current conflict in Ukraine where it's a tank or some level of armor pinning infantry down in their holes so the friendlies can get close. That's what the unit is designed for, not anti-tank.
2. Do you consistently complain about the fact a Bradley is not designed to go toe to toe with enemy MBTs? Because, you shouldn't it's not primarily designed around that role. Yes it killed more armor in Desert Storm than any MBT on the field. But it's role is not built around that.
The role of an IFV is an infantry support vehicle. It's not a tank. It's 25mm Bushmaster cannon is not designed around taking down tanks. Now it does have TOW missiles, but the primary purpose of the vehicle is to support and move infantry around the battlefield.
MPF is like a extended Bradley force. It's taking care of what the MGS couldn't do without breaking down extensively. It's infantry support. It's not anti-armor, nor is it a breakthrough and scouting tank. It's a cannon directly associated with infantry, bringing something that APC/IFV can't bring - 105mm shell of hate screaming down with direct fire.
So, if you want to judge the booker on being a bad light tank, or MBT you've made the classic blunder. It is like judging a goldfish for not climbing a tree. Or, judging a Sealion at the base of the Mariana Trench. That is not their purpose.
Are you going to complain that an MRAP is a terrible high altitude drone?
The primary munition for 152 mm in the Sheridan was an ATGM. The gun round was meant for targets other than tanks. The missile never really worked and was abounded. The weapon system was also used in the M60a2.
Really impressed with CH's efforts - and also the amount of effort you put into making these videos, Cap.
Loved the video @GrimReapers! Can't wait for the next video man!
The M551 Sheridan (No not like Patricia Routledge as Hyacinth Bucket on the British Comedy Series "Keeping Up Appearances") was an Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle developed to replace the M41 Walker Bulldog Light Tank from the 1950's. It could fire the MGM-151 Shillelagh Anti-Tank Guided Missile through it's 152 millimeter Gun (which is a 6" Gun). The Main Downsides to it's Design were that in addition to the Turret being Steel and it's Hull being Aluminum like the M113 Armored Personnel Carriers the Shells were Caseless Rounds meaning that the Powder Charges were Sown onto the base of the Shell. Crews were trained to not bother with it if the Charge was Faulty (i.e. Punctured and Dropping Powder all over the place) and they ended up just dropping the Round onto the Floor. This was something that would lead to the All too Familiar sight of Burnt out Tanks with their Heavy Steel Turrets slightly sinking into the Tank after hitting a Landmine, all at various angles with some even pointing almost straight up towards the Sky. Another Downside was the Rate of Fire of the Main Gun. In the Intense Fighting in Vietnam, there was something known as the "Mad Minute" for the Tank Crews which was to just keep shoving rounds into the Gun whenever Contact with the Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese Forces was made. The Two main Tanks in this instance were the M48A2 Patton and the M551 Sheridan. With the Patton's 90 millimeter Gun, you could just keep shoving rounds in as the spent casings of the last round was ejected, but with the Sheridan the Breach was all Mechanical. You'd have to wait for the Exhaust Fumes from the Last Round to get clear of the Barrel before a Green Light on the Firing Control Panel came on, after which the Breach would slowly Move Backwards and then Rotate about 90 Degrees towards the Left at which point you'd load the Caseless 152 millimeter Round in. Then the Breach would Slowly Rotate Back up and then Move Forward after which you'd need to wait for a Green Light on the Firing Control Panel to light before you'd fire the Gun and them the process starts all over again. In the Mad Minute, you'd have at least about 10 or 12 Rounds fired by a Patton Tank compared to maybe 2 or 3 Rounds by a Sheridan. To be Fair though, the Sheridan's did still see service after Vietnam with some better results. They were involved in Just Cause (the Invasion of Panama in 1989) and even saw Service in the early days of Operation Desert Shield acting as Targets to Familiarize Abrams Crews with the Appearance of the T-80 tanks as the Sheridan had both a Similar Profile and Turret Design. In Desert Storm, they were the Flanking force for the 3/73rd, seeing Tank-on-Tank Combat although limited to Reconnaissance due to their age and Light Armor. Of the 1,662 Sheridan's Built from 1966 to 1970, only 30 are left as Museum Pieces including One in Israel, One in Ottowa, Canada, one at Fort Johnson with a T-72 VISMOD and One of the 3rd Battalion, 73rd Regiments Sheridan's at Danville, Virginia at the American Armored Foundation's Tank and Ordinance War Memorial Museum.
The M10 Booker is the Newest Vehicle to come into the United States Military inventory. These are meant to provide Fire Support for the Airborne Units as well as the Stryker Brigade Combat Regiments as a Replacement for the M1128 Stryker MGS (Mobile Gun System) which in turn was a Variant of the Stryker meant to fill in the Fire Support need that was left Vacant with the Scrapping of the M551 Sheridan AR/AAV's back in 2003. This is very new as Development dates back to around 2016/2017 with the Mobile Protected Firepower (MPF) Competition. The Name at the Time of the Competition was the Griifin II, but in 2023 it was Officially Named M10 Booker after Private Robert D. Booker who was killed in the North African Campaign in World War Two and Staff Sergeant Stevon Booker who was a Tank Commander during the Invasion of Baghdad.
Source as per usual is Wikipedia.
Let me know what you think about this and I'll catch you in your next video man! Great Models by Current Hill!
There was a TV series that first aired in the US in 1966 called "The Rat Partrol". Super Cap you just recreated an episode from their series.
Cap, I really think the valued viewers are owed a scripted ground battle at this point. Show off all of CH's wonderful work in a giant ground battle. Tanks, IFVs, MSHORAD/CRAM, MRAPs, rocket and shell artillery, helicopters, jets, etc. Give the boys helicopters and put plenty of CRAM in there to dodge. Sometimes shoot-shoot is just as good as boom-boom.
The Marder 20mm appear to be very underpowered actually. They would absolutely shred those M113s with their notoriously light armor. There's something about that Marder, I really like the gun. : )
And finally, you may have guessed it was coming. I can guarantee the M10 Booker would absolutely destroy the Sheridan tank. 50 years of technology difference alone guarantees that, plus the 105mm cannon with modern rounds are plenty to shed the Sheridan armor.
Either way, please know that I only provide feedback out of love and respect!
The M551 is not, in reality, a smoothbore. It is a rifled gun, BUT it has a straight slot cut along the top of the barrel, in which a corresponding "key" on the GLATGM fits. So the HE and HEAT unguided shells are spin-stabilized by the rifling, but the missile comes out un-spun. Early versions of the gun/launcher had cracking from the slot, which required some reinforcing and reshaping.
The "face" above the M551 gun is the guidance system for the missile. It works kind of the same way your television remote control does: the guidance emitter on the tank transmits coded infrared pulses, which are received by a receiver on the rear of the missile.
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CH Dont know if see this, but with that Heatblur Phantom coming soon, it would be great to see some vietnam stuff produced by you. Amazing work!
Thanks CH.
Any CH day is a great day!
Love the new CH stuff. Does GR plan to run any more ARMA3 group fights / missions?
CH mods are awesome ! I only imagine what he could do with the SDK
the models are great done
M10is based off the ASCOD chassis. It is an assault gun apparently
M551 was called Sheridan, and the ATGM called Shilelagh
Great vdeo cap, CH is such a scholar, genius and top DCS dev. The DCS community appreciate and thanks him for his efforts.
type 1130 has been in operation for many years, replacing and upgrading over the older type 630 (6 barrels 30mm). my guess is as chinese hypersonic weapons advanced, they realize ordinary CIWS is not capable of handling such weapons, so they upgraded to the type 1130. The latest type 1130 actually has a mini AESA radar attached to it for better target acquisation, i am not aware other CIWS has built in AESA radars like this....
Thanks for the new units as always. Just a few additions.
- M1A2 SEPv3 has active protection. I forget which system they decided on adapting, but it's an add-on/band-aid until the next version of the Abrams has a bespoke integrated APS.
- The M10 Booker is mobile fire support, effectively to be deployed quickly with US Army airborne units. It also effectively replaces the mobile fire support role lost when the Mobile Gun System (MGS) Styker variant with 105mm cannon went out of service due to multiple issues.
- The Sheridan hasn't been in service for nearly 35 years going off memory? (too lazy to Google)
- M777 is the standard US 155mm towed artillery.
Only some of the SEPv3's have Trophy (which was the APS you're thinking of) and it'll probably never see full integration because it's just a stopgap.
The M10 isn't really replacing the MGS because SBCT's will never have them. That decision doesn't make sense to me, but that's what the Army is going with.
@@92HazelMochaTrophy itself will never be fully integrated, but the next Abrams revision should have its own integrated APS. They stated they were cancelling SEPv4 and going towards something more like AbramsX demonstrator specs.
The Dragoon 30mm autocannon upgrades are the firepower replacement for Stryker BCTs, and the MGS was apparently cancelled due to logistical/repair issues more than anything else. But, in the grand scheme of the US Army overall, the M10 is taking the place of added firepower that isn't an armored section and is meant to deploy with the infantry.
Then the USMC still operates some LAV25s I believe (with autocannons), not the same Stryker models or new ACV models. Those could use some upgrading.
@@jamison884 Dragoons are a nice step up, but imo it was the bare minimum to keep Strykers in service. They perform so much worse than Bradley's and should probably just be scrapped. At least with MGS we had heavy direct fire support indigenous to the SBCT, which is what 82nd is getting with the M10.
Edit: it should be noted that I am heavily biased against the Stryker platform and I think they should leave service wholesale.
The M10 is for use beside the Bradly with the TOW missiles from the Bradly to handle a main battle tank and the M10 to take out harden positions and buildings. It will work in urban areas better and are light enough for air transport.
@@cj64343It will probably also find usage as an anti-afv platform but that's secondary to the anti-emplacment role.
The M10, and M551 were extentions of the WWII tank destroyer concept. Used as anti armor support for airborne troops.
You know how SAM sites and ships have a "beyond the horizon" radar mast? I kind of wonder why they haven't fitted a tank with a high mount radar targeting system.
Can we just all agree right now, CH is the Merlin of DCS!!!
Actually there was a prototype tank fitted with a fire control radar called the CATTB but it was taken off the drawing board.
I love how you say you are not a Tech guy, yet you make these amazing videos and I do know enough to know it is all Tech. So you are very much a Tech Guy, and very good at it. But I do understand what you are talking about. No smart phones and shit like that... Thanks CAP!
New chassis, not based on any existing program. This they call the Booker, support gun, 105mm meant to destroy obstacles and entrenched hard points, not enemy tanks.
Not exactly true; it is derived from the previous ASCOD and Griffin programs which never matured and iirc the chasis was originally based on the AJAX.
The m551 was the american try at an atgm launch via gun and besh, HE.. I don't know if it had APDS or darts but they where still using them in the army in the late 1990's.. I know some countries are still using them.. don't know if the US army is still using them but I don't think so.. I know in Vietnam they were used more like morters then as a tank.. Oh, and there not stabilized.. HEHE
Someone should make a complication of cap talking about his conversations with CH.
Yup!.. We had the M551 in the 82nd Airborne
I'm always interested in these amazing mods from CH. He does a wonderful job. Make an Ontos!
Cap, good videos as ever. With the updated US and German units now in game do a 2020's version of the battle of Kasserine pass, with of course CAS on either side?
I’m only here for the “get some”
"..in the face..."
The M551 Sheridan light tank, used by US airborne forces. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M551_Sheridan
M10 isn't a light tank. You were both so close with the MPF name. It's basically a turreted STUG. It's a close support mobile firepower (105mm) platform. Light tanks are for recon and breakthrough maneuvers. Is it lighter? Yes. But so is a Bradley and we all know that's not a tank, that's an IFV.
You got my like just from the intro.
HEY CAP. can you show the Gremyashchiy class corvette
CH please create the following!🙏 Stryker M-Shorad, THAAD, Rheinmetal Skynex, Expeditionary Ship Interdiction System(NSM & Tomahawk), Starstreak Thor, Modular SM-6 Launcher, AEGIS Ashore, LOCUST Drone Launcher, Switchblade Drones, MUTAN Missile, SM-6 Block 1B, BLU-129, AGM-129A, B61 Mod 13, Hypersonic Blitzer Cannon, Strategic Long Range Cannon, LRHW, CPS, and HACM!👍
Do we know if ED is working on a fix for VR in combined arms? I'd like to use it more but always have to back out of the game and switch to 2D mode with different settings. I'd like to be able to jump in after flying and use the sights correctly.
Cap I will happily spend my hard earned time watching big gun with boom boom
Hows the Pohjanmaa class going? Did CH like the idea?
Can I use Ch mods without combined arms dlc? Like I know that you can use them as ai, but can I drive them without that dlc?
@grimreapers Is it planned that you will make your Ngad version public at some point? I would be very happy about that
You should have send one in a bit higher so we could see them shoot the bombs!
The (CH) T-64 located under the Ukraine tab is very nice it just needs a better paint job like these have.
Sitting in the water screws up IR incoming
Great stuff CH. So many opportunities to have fun with those LD-3000's. What would it take to get past them? How many bombs from what height? Could the LD-3000's stop the raid at Pearl Harbor. Could you swarm them with modern airplanes and if so, how many would it take? Bzzzzz....bzzzzz fun.
these would be fun, though because of DCS limitations they won't ever be as effective as IRL. IRL they apparently use timed fuse rounds which dramatically reduces the number of rounds that need to be fired to kill a target. Which raises the intercepts per minute dramatically. But DCS can't do the round or the fancy targeting to use it to full effect. Likely it can exceed a target pr second intercept rate IRL if the targeting setup is made to maximise that
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Cap, would you consider simulating a strike by an Ohio-class SSGN armed with Maritime Strike Tomahawks against a PLAN carrier group or amphibious group? For simplicity's sake, the submarine would not be modeled, only its missiles. Engagement distance (50nmi? 35nmi?) would be the main experimental variable, I imagine.
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Yo cap, when the F4E drops, you guys should do a recreation of operation bolo, where F4E’s pretended to be F-105’s and ambushed MiG21’s
10:39 What kind of weirdo are you if you don't like that?
11.000 rpm so you have 14 sec to fire. Would a guidet bullet not be cheaper and more effectiv ;P?
IRL the rounds are timed fuse apparently, i'd assume if they're taking maximum benefit of that the targeting system is built to calculate how many rounds need to detonate near the target to achieve a given kill %, and then using estimated size from radar return vs the dispersion of the gun and an estimate of dud/malfunction rate a "number of rounds t fire" can be calculated.
Such a number should be something that can be fired in a fraction of a second at 11,000 RPM, (Oerlikon has a twin barrel setup with around a 1000rpm combined RoF working on the same concept AFAIK). The advantage of the RoF is that because they can fire off the required rounds so quickly they only need a fraction of a second on each target, useful for snap shot situation, but also if there's a swarm atac in progress they can fire a burst and switch to another target before the rounds have even arrived, potentially under ideal conditions they might be able to engage several targets per second.
Also a guided bullet i 30mm isn't really a thing, Oto-Melara is working on a 76mm round with those capabilities, and thats considered cutting edge.
Hey cap! I was thinking of a interesting video idea. What of attatchib long range typically ground to air weapons to aircraft? Like for exsample a sa-10 missle strapped to like a tu-95 or a patriot dropped out of a b-52, what kind of insane ranges would be possible? Would it be a actually good system when used with a awacs? Thanks for your time!
P.s please test older munitions too! I have a feeling a sa-2 would be incredibly deadly in air to air!
the soviets technically did something like this with a few experimental versions of the tu-4 in the early 50s, called the g-300 (or something like that)
@@hertzwave8001yea, but i want to see it in action in dcs simply for the hell of it cause why not.
So, I had a chance to set the Sheridan up as an AI unit....I must say that the Shillelagh is MUCH too dependable. The missile, in actual use, was a flop. On the rare occasions where it would fly for a bit, it rarely tracked well. Would be more accurate firing HEAT rounds.
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Hey Cap!
I´m in London the next days - any chance of meeting up for a drink?
And all you have to do is get one parachute flair or rocket close you will run them outta ammo BAMMMMMM
CH please add some German Navy units!
Hey Jonathan, RC says you FLY like a woman! -RC
When I grow up I want to be a sub sonic 2K feet B1 pilot 😂😂😂
But M1A2C (M1A2 Sep V3) should has Trophy APS.
I 100% agree but the “A2C” designation has been dropped in favor of M1A2 SEPv3 for quite a while now.
yes but M1A2 Sep V3 is so long and M1A2C sounds so much better ;P@@MaxIsStrange1
The M551 has been out of service since the 70’s, was not at all good for any job it was slated for. It fired a 152mm ARGM. I’m surprised to see it here, nice model though. Great work all around.
M551 was removed from mech units in the 70s, but it served with airborne units until the 1990s: 3-73 Armor of the 82d airborne deployed to Desert Storm with Sheridans.
IRL, I don't think the infamous M-551 is going to kill anything, let alone a light tank with a superior and more accurate armament! I'm not sure there was ever a successful engagement with the Shilelagh ATGM and the low velocity gun was pretty much useless. Probably one of the worst tanks ever designed. Nice models though!
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Why would the Chinese CRAM use Sabot rounds, surely if its for anti air then kinetic penatration wouldn't be a priority no?
Higher velocity, flatter trajectory, less flight time to the target, less reaction time for the target for evasive maneuvers.
@@woli6872 but for that to work, the bullet must impact the incoming g round rather than detonate in proximity with shrapnel creating the damage. A2A/S2A missiles don't hit the target, they use a proximity fuse.
@@superflyguy4488 most CRAM systems hit the target some do utilize proxy fuse ammunition and some SAM and AAM impact the target they don't always proxy fuse even though they all can proxy fuse
@@superflyguy4488 Usually, you need a higher caliber than 30 mm for the projectile to have enough volume inside in order to fit both a proximity fuse and a sufficient amount of HE to effectively shoot down stuff, and enough power for a reasonably flat trajectory, short time of flight, etc. AFAIK, effective anti-air proxi fuse rounds start at 35 mm.
@@superflyguy4488 These CIWS don't use proximity fuses.
English sounding guy on this vid has very little idea about these weapons.... Bah!
Woooooo first comment. Anticipating good pewpew.