I sometimes run across your comments on reddit. Additionally, between your comments and videos, I have to admit I've come to appreciate your words a lot more over time. I think because of how active you are within the community. Once again, appreciate your time, cheers!
Let's say I am sparring a boxer and I come in with a bridge towards their centre, they will angle/circle off and hit me with a hook, cross or overhand. Even if my bridge is a punch I will fall short. This is because wing-chun is meant for close range in-fighting which is closer than the standard boxing distance. In wing-chun we think an agressor will also bridge the gap by coming towards us in order to attack. Therefore we intercept when closing the distance and in that range a centerline punch will beat a round one. Taking this to sparring is not an easy task. In chi sao you can always have someone disengaging and just start wailing punches which eventually will catch you, therefore initially in chi sao there needs to be mutual respect in the roll. Chi sao is a drill and cannot be a substitute for sparring. After losing the close range in chi sao people often reset or stand in a shifted stance waiting for the other to attack. This presents some problems in real sparring. In real sparring you are in long boxing range most of the time because that's where people feel safe. Learning how to fight in that range in sparring is critical for wing-chun practitioners to be able to spar against other styles without looking like all those novices on youtube geating beat. As a wing-chun practitioner it is your job to put pressure on your opponent, move in at an angle, prefferably the blindside and keep your dominant position until you have gotten at least three punches in. One to clear the way, one to rock the brain to the side of the skull and the last one to create the knock out. If you land all three without a knock out your punches are not hard enough. To go from long range boxing to a shorter range is not by just rushing straight in with chain punches. You first want a bridge to create an advantage. Wing chun is not about just trading shots. Centre line is not a surface line but an axis rather, that's why I don't get people rushing straight in. But how do you create that bridge, given that going towards centre in such a distance leaves you open for round counter punches? You do what boxers, mma fighters and kickboxers do: -You use feints or progressive indirect attacks -Draw punches by leaving openings -Vary low, middle and high attacks And once you are in close you can go back to textbook wing-chun. In close range feints are against wing-chun principles: If your opponent feints and you treat is as a real attack you will beat them to the punch. But at a longer range this is not always the case since you can still rely on your sight as well as moving your body/unit to evade a counter attack. Moving in and out can make your opponent feel pressure to attack at the wrong range or chase you. This way you bait them into close range. The wing-chun guard plays a huge role in this. For example elbows down and the immovable elbow position are best used in close range. In a longer boxing range no one is able to come in and pin your elbow to your body and punch, because you can react in time and step backwards. Having your arms a bit closer to your body is not a problem in this range. Extending your man and wu sao too far out will firstly give your opponent something to use against you, gives away your range and decreases punching power. In this long range having your arms on center is a bad idea, since any movement to block or counter will then have to be away from centre. When closing in you prefferably want to move to the outside of the arm, since this puts you at less risk of getting hit by the power hand. Whilst going from longer boxing range to wing-chun range you often move your arms towards center and to the immovable elbow position, like wedging. Here you acually benefit from the wing-chun structure. Same goes for not retracting your punches. We don't do that to use the same hand twice which is efficient and faster as well as acting as an anti graplling measure. But in a longer range you just give your opponent something to use against you. Also you want your wedges to bring the opponents deflections/guard down. You have more power when your elbow is closer to your hip and this creates space in order to land a punch. when deflections get to high you should punch underneath. Very often wing-chun practitioners chase hands and want to punch overtop, resulting in giving up their rooting stance an favor for more height. Without understanding the above a practitioner will likely suck in sparring.
"I come in with a bridge towards their centre, they will angle/circle off and hit me with a hook, cross or overhand."; How can the opponent reach you with a hook if you extend your arm to strike him? Are his arms so much longer than yours? If he can angle/circle you off, the problem maybe doesn't come from the bridge principle but because your ability to quickly decrease or increase range and the ability to stay oriented in his direction are not as good as his, don't they?
Wing Chun style is mostly as a turret: most often just pivot to stay angled to the opponent in a way your arms have the shortest distance to run to touch him. Wing chun stances and footwork are not designed to deal with range as boxing ones are (increase or decrease quickly, angle/circle off...). If one using wing chun style tries to close range as a boxer does, it is just nonsense and suicide.
Sifu Adam Williss . I understand the wing chun concepts. 1 form of siu nim tao is to learning relaxation. Hand movements. Build a structure (a solid house). 2 form Chum kiu learning you to move 2 hands independently of each other. (1st form is similar to 2nd form in hand movements) is to learning legs and body rotation. 4 form of Muk Yan Chong wooden dummy is learning how to put the opponent's energies back and slide into the opponent's attacks. attack on the center. the conclusion is: this style has no ready-made combat pattern. because it matters here and now. So improvisation. You have to be like water flowing through a strainer. Whether I understand well the concepts of wing chun? I'm sorry, my English is bad.
Respect you truly☯️🙏 But I always seek to develop,combine and better understand the arts of combat. At 0:32 you talk of defending with your forearm. Some arts use this part of the body to impact force, not just a means of sensing contact. If blocked with strong forearms you can incapacitate your opponent's arm by as you say crashing ! (As I practice on steel parallel push up bars/no access to a wooden dummy and my arms can easily impact a lot of force enough that the bars are slightly bent now) If you incapacitate your opponent's ability to lift thier arms or react quickly,you are then at thier weak side, leaving them open and unable to withstand a second onslaught 🤔 @ 4:00 Bruce Lee☯️🙏 "It is like the finger pointing to the moon (slap !) Do not watch the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory ☯️🙏", I believe was meant to say concentrate on the whole move or the goal, not perfection. I always try to move my opponents left ? Same as "Billy the kid", most people are right handed so this makes it harder for them to target you,(try it 🙏) plus it puts you on thier weak side ready to collapse that bridge or attack vulnerable areas ? I believe -"Bruce Lee ☯️🙏" discovered this method from fencing and adapted it into JKD. I've seen modern jkd use the "broken rythm method" in the same way very effectively. Remember the goal is to defeat your opponent quickly, not to sparr with them ! We should seek the quickest, sneakiest method to end the conflict ? I would appreciate any response ☯️🙏🤔
Based upon your response. The best advise I can give you is to learn to humble yourself and submit to one path. Whichever path you choose, commit to it fully and don’t look back.
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I sometimes run across your comments on reddit. Additionally, between your comments and videos, I have to admit I've come to appreciate your words a lot more over time. I think because of how active you are within the community. Once again, appreciate your time, cheers!
Love your teachings❤😇
Thank you very much
Let's say I am sparring a boxer and I come in with a bridge towards their centre, they will angle/circle off and hit me with a hook, cross or overhand. Even if my bridge is a punch I will fall short. This is because wing-chun is meant for close range in-fighting which is closer than the standard boxing distance. In wing-chun we think an agressor will also bridge the gap by coming towards us in order to attack. Therefore we intercept when closing the distance and in that range a centerline punch will beat a round one.
Taking this to sparring is not an easy task. In chi sao you can always have someone disengaging and just start wailing punches which eventually will catch you, therefore initially in chi sao there needs to be mutual respect in the roll. Chi sao is a drill and cannot be a substitute for sparring. After losing the close range in chi sao people often reset or stand in a shifted stance waiting for the other to attack. This presents some problems in real sparring.
In real sparring you are in long boxing range most of the time because that's where people feel safe. Learning how to fight in that range in sparring is critical for wing-chun practitioners to be able to spar against other styles without looking like all those novices on youtube geating beat. As a wing-chun practitioner it is your job to put pressure on your opponent, move in at an angle, prefferably the blindside and keep your dominant position until you have gotten at least three punches in. One to clear the way, one to rock the brain to the side of the skull and the last one to create the knock out. If you land all three without a knock out your punches are not hard enough.
To go from long range boxing to a shorter range is not by just rushing straight in with chain punches. You first want a bridge to create an advantage. Wing chun is not about just trading shots. Centre line is not a surface line but an axis rather, that's why I don't get people rushing straight in. But how do you create that bridge, given that going towards centre in such a distance leaves you open for round counter punches?
You do what boxers, mma fighters and kickboxers do:
-You use feints or progressive indirect attacks
-Draw punches by leaving openings
-Vary low, middle and high attacks
And once you are in close you can go back to textbook wing-chun.
In close range feints are against wing-chun principles: If your opponent feints and you treat is as a real attack you will beat them to the punch. But at a longer range this is not always the case since you can still rely on your sight as well as moving your body/unit to evade a counter attack. Moving in and out can make your opponent feel pressure to attack at the wrong range or chase you. This way you bait them into close range.
The wing-chun guard plays a huge role in this. For example elbows down and the immovable elbow position are best used in close range. In a longer boxing range no one is able to come in and pin your elbow to your body and punch, because you can react in time and step backwards. Having your arms a bit closer to your body is not a problem in this range. Extending your man and wu sao too far out will firstly give your opponent something to use against you, gives away your range and decreases punching power. In this long range having your arms on center is a bad idea, since any movement to block or counter will then have to be away from centre.
When closing in you prefferably want to move to the outside of the arm, since this puts you at less risk of getting hit by the power hand. Whilst going from longer boxing range to wing-chun range you often move your arms towards center and to the immovable elbow position, like wedging. Here you acually benefit from the wing-chun structure. Same goes for not retracting your punches. We don't do that to use the same hand twice which is efficient and faster as well as acting as an anti graplling measure. But in a longer range you just give your opponent something to use against you.
Also you want your wedges to bring the opponents deflections/guard down. You have more power when your elbow is closer to your hip and this creates space in order to land a punch. when deflections get to high you should punch underneath. Very often wing-chun practitioners chase hands and want to punch overtop, resulting in giving up their rooting stance an favor for more height.
Without understanding the above a practitioner will likely suck in sparring.
"I come in with a bridge towards their centre, they will angle/circle off and hit me with a hook, cross or overhand."; How can the opponent reach you with a hook if you extend your arm to strike him? Are his arms so much longer than yours? If he can angle/circle you off, the problem maybe doesn't come from the bridge principle but because your ability to quickly decrease or increase range and the ability to stay oriented in his direction are not as good as his, don't they?
Wing Chun style is mostly as a turret: most often just pivot to stay angled to the opponent in a way your arms have the shortest distance to run to touch him. Wing chun stances and footwork are not designed to deal with range as boxing ones are (increase or decrease quickly, angle/circle off...). If one using wing chun style tries to close range as a boxer does, it is just nonsense and suicide.
Sifu Adam Williss .
I understand the wing chun concepts.
1 form of siu nim tao is to learning relaxation. Hand movements. Build a structure (a solid house).
2 form Chum kiu learning you to move 2 hands independently of each other.
(1st form is similar to 2nd form in hand movements)
is to learning legs and body rotation.
4 form of Muk Yan Chong wooden dummy is learning
how to put the opponent's energies back and slide into the opponent's attacks. attack on the center.
the conclusion is: this style has no ready-made combat pattern.
because it matters here and now. So improvisation.
You have to be like water flowing through a strainer.
Whether I understand well the concepts of wing chun?
I'm sorry, my English is bad.
What you wrote is true. However there is much more to it.
Respect you truly☯️🙏 But I always seek to develop,combine and better understand the arts of combat.
At 0:32 you talk of defending with your forearm. Some arts use this part of the body to impact force, not just a means of sensing contact. If blocked with strong forearms you can incapacitate your opponent's arm by as you say crashing ! (As I practice on steel parallel push up bars/no access to a wooden dummy and my arms can easily impact a lot of force enough that the bars are slightly bent now)
If you incapacitate your opponent's ability to lift thier arms or react quickly,you are then at thier weak side, leaving them open and unable to withstand a second onslaught 🤔
@ 4:00 Bruce Lee☯️🙏
"It is like the finger pointing to the moon (slap !) Do not watch the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory ☯️🙏", I believe was meant to say concentrate on the whole move or the goal, not perfection.
I always try to move my opponents left ?
Same as "Billy the kid", most people are right handed so this makes it harder for them to target you,(try it 🙏) plus it puts you on thier weak side ready to collapse that bridge or attack vulnerable areas ?
I believe -"Bruce Lee ☯️🙏" discovered this method from fencing and adapted it into JKD.
I've seen modern jkd use the "broken rythm method" in the same way very effectively.
Remember the goal is to defeat your opponent quickly, not to sparr with them !
We should seek the quickest, sneakiest method to end the conflict ?
I would appreciate any response ☯️🙏🤔
Based upon your response. The best advise I can give you is to learn to humble yourself and submit to one path. Whichever path you choose, commit to it fully and don’t look back.
What would you consider the main differences between spar and live fight? Excluding the physical harm portion or friendly sportsmanship.
@@moonman3213 The main difference is the intent. Not everyone has what it takes to go to the mental level necessary in a realistic situation.