Which part of “Monsters: The Lyle & Erik Menéndez Story” shocked YOU the most? Let us know in the comments! For more content like this, click here: ruclips.net/video/FbrqtPFhlc0/видео.html
That episode where they had Erik talking to his lawyer through the entire episode is a fucken masterpiece… that dude is such a great actor.. what a cool episode.. I watched over 30 minutes until I realized they hadn’t cut the scene.. 😂
the whole casting (even though it may not be factual or some liberties were taking) were spot on, it's entertainment at the end and isn't supposed to be taken as true documentary
Same here! 😂 He also reminded me of Tom Cruise in some of his films. I was thinking to myself that if they ever remade Risky Business, he’d be perfect.
The fact they didn’t include the allegations made against the father from a former member of the band menudo I feel was detrimental to this series too. Sheds a WHOLE new light on what those boys went through because it shows that someone outside the family suffered at the hands of their father too/proving their story.
@@MaisyKthere has always been rumors about this, even when Jose was alive. Do u truly think that any boy is going to speak up about the abuse he endured at the hands of top executives in Hollywood? Do you think they were going to speak up after watching the brothers be so ridiculed and mocked by the media?
@@NotKudaaano YOU do your research. If they were really victims then why did they try to have an alibi ? Why did The brothers get arrested 2 years prior for multiple burglaries? Why did they overkill their mother? Why did they go and spend 700k in 6 months when they grew up rich?
@@cheezit5001 I'm not saying they aren't murderers. READ my comment properly. All i said is they were abused through out their lives, which could've justified murdering their parents for them. They killed their mother as well because she knew about the things Jose Menendez was doing, but never said a word to help her sons. You obviously haven't seen the new letters Erik wrote to his cousin PRIOR to the murders that ADMITTED his father was r**ing him. Go hit up a google search lil bro
NGL the scene of the vans driving off in separate directions taking them to separate prisons is genuinely kinda sad. Not to say they deserved to be kept together but I am glad they now have each other in prison today.
@@christinal.9534 they were separated for many years, but as of 2018, they are both at Donovan state prison in San Diego. I actually used to work there.
The most shocking part for me was finding out after watching the show, that the brothers' case for sexual abuse seems to be considerably more credible than the show makes it out to be. The show does portray both possibilities, but to me it seems to have quite a strong bias to them lying about the abuse and I'm not sure if that's fair.
Indeed. They should never have been sentenced to murder. To put up with that abuse at that age you'd feel so hopeless that this was the only way out. Yet none of that was allowed in court. What a joke American "justice" is.
What shocked me the most was the detail of abuse described by Erik. That and the allegations of Jose's abuse of young men such as that hotel scene. If Kitty really told her psychiatrist that she "hates her kids" and threatened to poison their food. The actions of the boys' psychiatrist were abhorent.
Oh boy, so many to unpack. A) the abuse, was as ot tirned out, borrowed from a book. Also, there was a lot of vulgarity in the real recount from the trial. B)the abuse in the hotel is part of the « what if », theme of the show. It showed different options of what could have happened. The mother hating her kids, if you recall, was followed by I love them, but I dont like them ( in not so many words). All parents have these kind of moments, especially of their kids turn out to be like the bullies they had in school for example. The fact she was so open about it and had these fits could be because she was loosing it, or she was scared of them and wanted to let them know she will fight back. What I think is that they were all awful, in some way, but that the boys were spoiled rotten. No one is a victim. Except the ones who had their lives cut short.
@@lilighYou do realize that there is a lot of common things that abusers do correct? Saying that it “came from a book” & they somehow managed to express authentic and real emotions that most seasoned professionals can’t portray from said book isn’t realistic. The book also can’t make up the fact that these boys had gastrointestinal problems, anxiety/depression. Lyle was wetting his bed until he was 16, was losing hair since 14, played with stuffed animals until he left for college. And don’t forget the photos of their genitals or them bent over the bed as young kids. There’s a medical report of Erik with bruising in and around the throat, which is indicative of oral copulation, especially in children. There was an essay Lyle wrote at 14 about a man facing the death penalty for killing a child molester who raped his 11 year old son. This was at the time Lyle claimed he found out his dad was still sexually abusing his brother. Not to mention the witnesses who claimed that Jose would be in Erik or Lyle’s room for hours at a time & no one was allowed even go upstairs when this was happening. Theres a witness who saw his brother punch Lyle incredibly hard in the stomach at 5 years old. What about these issues?
@@lilighand Kitty’s best friend said how she wanted to leave her child at the in laws full time. She has said to them & in front of others that she hated them/wished they were never born since they were toddlers. Her own family said this about her. Her own family said how she would leave them at the mall for hours at a time. Airports, be late to pick them and drop them off. She would tell people to not go upstairs because Jose was “dealing” with them. She was never a good mother, she never wanted to be one & she was forced to choose between having kids & or divorcing her husband. She chose to stay & resented her kids all her life for it. It’s not to say she wasn’t abused, but she also contributed to that & enabled it. If we’re going to call the brothers monsters, SHE was one of the reasons for that. She created them
So did her husband created them strange very much how even the brothers seemed to be like their dad and maybe mum didn’t agree with it all so perhaps they also knew that one day she may say something because she knew what was going on but maybe she was threatened if she said anything three males against a mother it’s possible just wonder
My first thought was gypsy. How is she free and these two are not. Same basic defense, only she didn’t pull the trigger. Murder for hire plotters get more time.
Technically her hands are physically clean. She only admitted it was "her idea" after she made a deal with the DA. She (allegedly) didn't do the actual killing. That killer is in prison. Personally I think Gypsy needs a ton of MH help that she's not getting. I am genuinely concerned for her unborn child.
@@RoseyPinkGiraffe we’re not speaking on the logistics of the case though, a murder is a murder whether you specifically did the killing, she had a hand in someone’s death. She has an entire reality show, meanwhile society paints these two as the worse people ever, but in both instances they were killing their abuser
Some of the best acting I’ve seen in some time. Especially rewatching clips of the real brothers, it’s quite incredible how well the guy who played Erik got him perfect.
Listen: when you slay the dragon who’s been terrorizing your life, you’re gonna spend the hoard of gold it was sitting on, right? I don’t think they did what they did for the money. I think they spent the money as a final middle finger to the two demons they slayed.
I never expected this show would to be spot on ... Yet it makes its points clear ... The moral of the story....The media and phycologists are taking advantage... How many books ??? ....
spot on ? absolutely not the show was extremely inaccurate and completely made those boys look like shit and humiliated them the ppl who made the show should actually be punished for such deformation of character almost all of what they put in there was lies not proven and just bullshit to make them look like worse ppl than they are
What I can’t get my head around in this case is, why they all kept saying they could’ve left or tell someone. It’s a fact that most people in a dependent relationship just don’t and suffer quietly for years. Best example are domestic abuse victims. This was a known psychological fact even back then but no psychologist in this case has mentioned that. They were dependent on their parents, on their father. He had the money, he still got them out of trouble, he got them into schools, made plans for their future. The brothers barely had to think about anything other than the next hour.
Episode 5 was so gut wrenchingly hard to watch in a good way if that makes sense I was getting super emotional and my chest felt so heavy with just a 40 min conversation about all the detail and etc just an amazing episode
But its a made up story. None of that is factual its just portraying the side that they are monsters and did it for money and the molestation never happened.
She said with a straight face: "...despite an implied romance Eric and Lyle did not get married to each other..." Like siblings getting married is something that is not only legal but also a common occurrence here in America. 😂
I don’t think it’s a common occurrence, but a rather a speculation for years for the Brothers, people going around saying they had an incest type of relationship.
@@princesssmileyface91 I didn't say anything about the brothers having a relationship specifically (idk if they did or not) It was the way the narrator spoke of them getting married.
@@jewellfix1 Well, from personal knowledge, sexual abuse can cause someone to act out the behavior on a sibling, on a spectrum of severity, so if he did that, he was modeling what was done to him by the father.
I'd love to right support letters to the Mendez brothers as a trauma survivor myself. I just waited til I was old enough and could provide for myself to leave home. I understand that one brother married a woman whose daughter was being abused by her step dad. I see how they bonded. Trauma is horrible and I'm sad pplmhave to suffer.
The show does not mock then. Is spends almost 3 whole episodes of them just sitting down and explaining their abuse in raw detail. If anything the show makes you feel for them. You still believe they should be in prison though
The first fact was completely wrong. The Menendez brothers did leave straight after the murders to go to the cinemas, they were surprised when they RETURNED as they assumed neighbors would have heard the gun shots. Why would they stay at the murder scene with shotguns if they thought the police were coming? They already arranged to meet a friend at "taste" restaurant to help establish their alibi. Also considering the internet wasn't a thing back then, they also had to have prematurely find out what time the Batman movie was on so they could time the murders to line up with their alibi where there tried to buy tickets but were too late for that screening.
You called to find out movie times back then. It was the standard for all theaters to have a recording of all the movies and the showing times for that day. Or it’s reasonable that they just showed up at the movies to get the tickets because they still show movies at around the same times.
@@laurenjulia1877 I know you could call to hear the pre recorded timings. I'm just saying, if you remember the first televised trial they tried their best to make it look like they had bought shotguns for self defence, and didn't plan to murder Jose and Kitty, when there is plenty of evidence to suggest they planned everything. They knew what time the batman screening was on therefore wanted tickets to that movie to cover the time of death and provide an alibi. How in the heat of the moment would they think of this? And phone records would have shown calls after the time of death if it wasn't pre planned. They also planned to meet up with Erik's friend Craig at a bar called "taste" which Craig left as they were late. They had established a time and alibi for the killings before they carried them out. Not saying they were wrong
Well no all of what you just said is wrong. The boys stayed bc they expected to get caught after killing their parents. They thought the police would come after a neighbor heard the gun shots and they would have to explain everything but nobody showed up so they decided to form and alibi after the fact. Also, The plan to go to that restaurant was planned before the shootings but they were late and ended up not being able to see their friends that day which matches up to the theory that they didn’t actually plan to murder their parents. Why? Because the fact that they couldn’t get a solid alibi even though prosecutors felt like the killing of Jose and Kitty Menendez was meticulously planned false apart for this alone.
@@angrylittlemissredor, or…they were 18 and 21 year old rich kids that didn’t know what they were doing. But just because they didn’t know what they were doing doesn’t mean they didn’t plan that shit out. They’re murderers
I remember this case as a kid it was a crazy trial, but I understand it happened in the late 80s, but the actual trial that started until a few years later I still believe that they’re in
They were not kids at the time of the murder! Don't sympathize with them plus it wasn't proven that they were abused sexually. They shot them with shot guns! That's evil and crazy
Murphy didn’t do Lyle and Erik and favors. They’re called ‘monsters’, the name of the show, Lyle was depicted as a complete sociopath, Erik was flagrantly gay. After the murders, the show actually had a scene where Lyle told Erik they now had to kill Dr. Oziel. None of these things were known to be true. The show was greatly entertaining however and I enjoyed it.
It's wild the amount of people calling for their freedom. What they went through is horrible, no one should dispute that. At the same time, are there people that genuinely believe that to kill ones mother and father in cold blood, is totally normal? That's an acceptable response? Nah. That was premeditated murder, not an accident or a caught up in the moment type of situation. Nope. They planned it all. They planned how they were going to kill two people, instead of devising a plan on how to be free. Whether life played them a bad hand or not, you don't handle stuff that way. The ends do not justify the means
Have you been abused? There is a psychological process in victims that is much like brainwashing. They don't see the world as it really is, they are prisoners, as if they were shackled in a cell. Plus, they are dealing with loving their abusers. This case isn't just about the abuse. Erik went to Lyle for help. Jose had made Erik promise to not tell anyone what was happening. Lyle had confronted Jose, and Jose not only said they were being disowned, he said he would kill them before this abuse went public. From that minute until the killing was done, they were on high alert. Everything the parents did only seemed to confirm their fears. They both admit they deserved prison time. But life without possible parole? That seems excessive to me.
Their dad was a high status man who could easily cut off their money for a lawyer to match the lawyer Jose would have. And honestly I would choose death that’s done in under in 2 minutes compared to what they went through. Look at the world and realise that people who are in power are able to get away with this kind of stuff all the time. As apparently Jose says “lie, cheat, steal, just don’t get caught” they would have never won a trial against him. What Jose and kitty did was so much worse than the brothers.
They were 18 and 21 years old respectively. Obviously, no murder is not okay and should not be the answer, but if you have not personally experienced abuse, specifically sexual abuse, you have no right to discuss what they "should have" done. I'm sure every day was living he'll for them, he'll if it wasn't clear enough Erik straight up had a eating disorder due to the abuse and sexual abuse. I am in no way saying the didn't deserve prison, but they have been there for over 20 years now and have clearly grown, regret their decision and have found ways to be productive members of society. The intended purpose of prison was to REFORM and change criminal so they can live morally just and right lives. I would say I think they have done that, I think they have learned their lesson, so who are we to say they have to stay in prison forever and be defined by their past forever? Furthermore, going back to age of murders they were 18 and 21. The prefrontal cortex of our brains is not fully developed until 25 you or older which means they would struggle with decision making and processing emotions. Add trauma to that and your brain is basically f*cked bc it affects how you process and think rationally. Despite the murder having evidence that it was indeed planned, I do think that there was a very imminent and threat that they felt on their lives and well beings that made the murder "the only option" I don't think it's all that different from adolescents who end up committing suicide; they lacking reasoning and processing and see it as their "only way out". But people judge and condemn those who commit suicide too
@@cristianasaras6898 definitely the episode when the lawyer kept objecting and the judge was just overruling her felt like it went on FOREVER smh 🤦🏽♂️
I think it was to show how long these victims are put thru system. No winners. People need to understand that victims go thru horrible acts, there after if put on stand it’s worst
A lot of these facts they could have detailed in the written epilogue at the end of the last episode. That epilogue was only two sentences long, and the filmmakers could have added a lot more intriguing details to it.
In the end, the question becomes a) do you believe there was abuse, and if so, to what extent? and b) If yes, and if to a substantial extent, how should that have factored into their sentence? Should it have knocked it down from Murder in the 1st degree to Murder in the 2nd? Should they have gotten less time, or been eligible for parole sooner?
@@cynthia194 thats their truth. It's never been accepted by the public. Right or wrong. This series has given them worldwide attention. And understanding that they weren't lying. It's more relatable I think. Not sure why.
okay, yes there Mendez brothers did stay at home and they didn’t go to the movies, but they did purchase a movie ticket prior to the event for that date so that way when they killed their parents they would have an alibi saying they were at the movie theaters at the time of the death and when they cleaned up the bodies.
I myself am still not sure if I believe the abuse or not. But every time someone argues with "why didn't they tell about it sooner? why didn't they tell the police" forgets how homophobia is still strong even nowadays (and waaay worse back then), how abuse victims are ashamed to tell anyone, how rich and powerful their father was, how toxic masculinity works. There were plenty of easy-to-understand reasons for not telling anyone about it and I suppose they only did it because they were desperate to get out of prison
That in one of the episodes, when the brothers were standing outside the house. You can see that the house has a doorbell with a camera . . . which weren't around in the 80's.
LoL yes they were. My parents hand one in the 80's and they didn't even live in the USA. You think the 80's is a barren landscape of no technology you mrn
The whole story is sad, heartbreaking. No one knows the truth except the brothers and their parents.. I do not know what to believe, but I do believe the cousins.. .There is a high probablity of child sexual abuse.. heartbreaking... Filmmakers should not be allowed to exploit someone tragedy like this.
i think one detail that was really annoying that they changed,... how lyle apologize to eric on the boat... when in reality he only does it in court which is what made eric cry so much. it was the first time he ever heard sorry. instead they have it happen way before the trial.
I know most people feel they got a raw deal, and maybe they did in the second trial ( judge did not give option for manslaughter),but all their abuse recounts were taken out from a book, word for word… so…
I think both brothers deserve an Emmy Erik and Lyle brilliant.... Lyle can be the new Tom cruise if Hollywood goes back to good storytelling instead of CGI MCU universe
The fact the these young were ridiculed for being sexually assaulted explains why they didn’t want that information out there. Our society fails men in this way: we don’t support or understand their abuse. Hell, we do the same to women who kill their abusers, too. Our society needs therapy.
They said F the Abuse And F the money It was them being in control of Everything their father tryed to control It wasn't about the money it was about their father not having that Power over them Anymore
Have there always been females throwing themselves at incarcerated convicts? How long has this been a thing?[Verse 3] P. C. 31 said, "We caught a dirty one" Maxwell stands alone Painting testimonial pictures, oh, oh, oh, oh Rose and Valerie, screaming from the gallery Say he must go free (Maxwell must go free) The judge does not agree and he tells them so-o-o-o But as the words are leaving his lips A noise comes from behind…”
lol love how all of you angry haters just cannot accept that someone can view this case in another light than you, and the brothers as not saints, and solely for that reason you are so angry that you deny smth that is a fact: the acting was absolutely genius and top-notch across the board. you can hate Murphy all you want, but the actors were all brilliant!! you are 🤡 the show was great, period!
i had some reservations about the show, but the actor who played Erik was brilliant. The one who played Lyle was also good, but a bit over the top sometimes (which doesn’t seem very realistic)
I don't care how good the movie is they killed their parents! Instead of leaving the abuse they stayed and killed their parents because of money, NOT ABUSE. Two wrongs don't make it right.
The parts that shocked me most were how gut-wrenching it was to watch their testimony about severe, sadistic sexual abuse from their father in the first trial. The second most shocking thing was how evidence of that abuse was summarily excluded from the 2nd trial. The brothers' mental and emotional states were warped by years of rape and extreme control by their father, and by their mom's acceptance of it. I was surprised by online video of several extended family members who said they forgave the sons, but refused to forgive their mother for not protecting them, or the father for being a monster at home. The family members agreed that the sons were guilty of killing their parents, but disagreed with the first degree murder charges.
What shocked me most: Them making the scene of the brothers being intimate at a party. I really don't think they were that way with each other. Rhat scene almost made me stop watching the series.
If anybody asks you to tamper with evidence, as Leslie Abramson asked of Dr. Vicary, refusing it, as evidence tampering is illegal, could save your back end.
The problem with liars is that you never know when they're telling the truth. These men are liars and sociopaths.... but they could also be telling the truth. Hard to know.
God to have so much of your life on Tv and in the public's mind for so long. That has got to be unbelievably hard, besides all the stigma from the murders. I couldn't deal with it.
I've seen enough documentaries to know what happened. And that abuse defence was born when they were in jail. Their defence builds on that, and becomes their central point of defence. They told NOBODY! Not one person. It was the only thing they could possibly use. Even if it was all real. Let's say they did suffer all that abuse. You still don't have the right to unload 2 6 shot 12 gauges. Then go outside to reload, then put 2 in the mother's head from point blank range. The mess that shotguns make is brutal. These murders were brutal. Their defence is no defence for murder! They actually are sociopathic! That's how and why Lyle did it on the phone call to 911, and also on the stand. He could cry on demand. And he did. Why are so many people wanting them freed? Yeah, they were abused. that doesn't give them the right to do what they did! Seriously. It's absolutely no excuse.
This goes both ways. The way the parents were murdered was horrible but so is being abused and controlled. It’s so confusing. Although Im sure they were telling the truth about the abuse. Thats something gross to lie about!
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@WatchMojo the shocking part is that some idiots think they are innocent, and believed their lies about abuse...
Ooooh you're one of those dummies.@robjohnson9270
The only thing I hadn’t known was the toothbrush (as a “primer”). I had followed the case throughout when it first occurred.
The only thing I hadn’t heard was the toothbrush (as a “primer”). I had followed the case throughout when it first occurred.
The acting of the brothers in this show was spectacular. They should be nominated for Emmys.
100% agree
Yes sure
Gut wrenching, harrowing, enthralling performances.
All of the acting was superb.
Bro I said that before reading your comment 😮 wow😊
That episode where they had Erik talking to his lawyer through the entire episode is a fucken masterpiece… that dude is such a great actor.. what a cool episode.. I watched over 30 minutes until I realized they hadn’t cut the scene.. 😂
Episode 5
Ts was amazing
I love real time episodes of television and this ranks right up there with the best because of the phenomenal acting.
It was brilliant how it was one camera shot that slowly zoomed in the entire scene.
I agree. Epic.
the actors playing the brothers were absolutely riveting, in fact everyone was excellent.
the whole casting (even though it may not be factual or some liberties were taking) were spot on, it's entertainment at the end and isn't supposed to be taken as true documentary
The actor that played Lyle reminds me of Christian Bale in American Psycho.
The actor and the way he played the character reminded me of a Cilliam Murphy (Peaky Binders)
oh lord, that makes everything sense🧐
He’s excellent! Nicholas Alexander Chavez. 👏👏👏
Same here! 😂 He also reminded me of Tom Cruise in some of his films. I was thinking to myself that if they ever remade Risky Business, he’d be perfect.
Same. He also reminded me of Sebastian Stan
The fact they didn’t include the allegations made against the father from a former member of the band menudo I feel was detrimental to this series too. Sheds a WHOLE new light on what those boys went through because it shows that someone outside the family suffered at the hands of their father too/proving their story.
Roy Rossello I just read about that a while bakc!
ye sure, he waits 34 years to speak up - bullshit
@@MaisyK research shows that it takes 30 years on average for people to speak up about abuse. Also there's no time limit
@MaisyK it was probably hard but if he said something sooner the Boyd could be out of jail. Makes me a bit mad
@@MaisyKthere has always been rumors about this, even when Jose was alive. Do u truly think that any boy is going to speak up about the abuse he endured at the hands of top executives in Hollywood? Do you think they were going to speak up after watching the brothers be so ridiculed and mocked by the media?
The whole thing is sad. There were no winners in this situation
I mean two psychopaths are off the street so America won
@@TreySarver two PEOPLE that were abused their entire lives as well. I'm not gonna justify murder, but do your research.
@@TreySarveryou look the type that would defend a rapist.
@@NotKudaaano YOU do your research. If they were really victims then why did they try to have an alibi ? Why did The brothers get arrested 2 years prior for multiple burglaries? Why did they overkill their mother? Why did they go and spend 700k in 6 months when they grew up rich?
@@cheezit5001 I'm not saying they aren't murderers. READ my comment properly. All i said is they were abused through out their lives, which could've justified murdering their parents for them. They killed their mother as well because she knew about the things Jose Menendez was doing, but never said a word to help her sons. You obviously haven't seen the new letters Erik wrote to his cousin PRIOR to the murders that ADMITTED his father was r**ing him. Go hit up a google search lil bro
NGL the scene of the vans driving off in separate directions taking them to separate prisons is genuinely kinda sad. Not to say they deserved to be kept together but I am glad they now have each other in prison today.
Yeah. Somehow, that was the only scene that made me tear up. 😢
I know I totally felt myself getting teary-eyed and had to remember what I was watching😂😂
I thought they were in separate prisons
@@christinal.9534 They were reunited in 2018. 🥰
@@christinal.9534 they were separated for many years, but as of 2018, they are both at Donovan state prison in San Diego. I actually used to work there.
The most shocking part for me was finding out after watching the show, that the brothers' case for sexual abuse seems to be considerably more credible than the show makes it out to be. The show does portray both possibilities, but to me it seems to have quite a strong bias to them lying about the abuse and I'm not sure if that's fair.
Indeed. They should never have been sentenced to murder. To put up with that abuse at that age you'd feel so hopeless that this was the only way out. Yet none of that was allowed in court. What a joke American "justice" is.
The craziest thing about this show is when Erik calls his doctor and gets an appointment that day. He actually talked to the doctor.
What shocked me the most was the detail of abuse described by Erik. That and the allegations of Jose's abuse of young men such as that hotel scene. If Kitty really told her psychiatrist that she "hates her kids" and threatened to poison their food. The actions of the boys' psychiatrist were abhorent.
Oh boy, so many to unpack. A) the abuse, was as ot tirned out, borrowed from a book. Also, there was a lot of vulgarity in the real recount from the trial. B)the abuse in the hotel is part of the « what if », theme of the show. It showed different options of what could have happened. The mother hating her kids, if you recall, was followed by I love them, but I dont like them ( in not so many words). All parents have these kind of moments, especially of their kids turn out to be like the bullies they had in school for example. The fact she was so open about it and had these fits could be because she was loosing it, or she was scared of them and wanted to let them know she will fight back. What I think is that they were all awful, in some way, but that the boys were spoiled rotten. No one is a victim. Except the ones who had their lives cut short.
@@lilighYou do realize that there is a lot of common things that abusers do correct? Saying that it “came from a book” & they somehow managed to express authentic and real emotions that most seasoned professionals can’t portray from said book isn’t realistic. The book also can’t make up the fact that these boys had gastrointestinal problems, anxiety/depression. Lyle was wetting his bed until he was 16, was losing hair since 14, played with stuffed animals until he left for college.
And don’t forget the photos of their genitals or them bent over the bed as young kids.
There’s a medical report of Erik with bruising in and around the throat, which is indicative of oral copulation, especially in children.
There was an essay Lyle wrote at 14 about a man facing the death penalty for killing a child molester who raped his 11 year old son. This was at the time Lyle claimed he found out his dad was still sexually abusing his brother.
Not to mention the witnesses who claimed that Jose would be in Erik or Lyle’s room for hours at a time & no one was allowed even go upstairs when this was happening.
Theres a witness who saw his brother punch Lyle incredibly hard in the stomach at 5 years old.
What about these issues?
@@lilighand Kitty’s best friend said how she wanted to leave her child at the in laws full time. She has said to them & in front of others that she hated them/wished they were never born since they were toddlers. Her own family said this about her. Her own family said how she would leave them at the mall for hours at a time. Airports, be late to pick them and drop them off. She would tell people to not go upstairs because Jose was “dealing” with them. She was never a good mother, she never wanted to be one & she was forced to choose between having kids & or divorcing her husband. She chose to stay & resented her kids all her life for it. It’s not to say she wasn’t abused, but she also contributed to that & enabled it. If we’re going to call the brothers monsters, SHE was one of the reasons for that. She created them
So did her husband created them strange very much how even the brothers seemed to be like their dad and maybe mum didn’t agree with it all so perhaps they also knew that one day she may say something because she knew what was going on but maybe she was threatened if she said anything three males against a mother it’s possible just wonder
These fellas are incredible actors. Such talent! Great portrayal
To me, the most shocking part was when Kitty confessed to Eric that she always knew - and was angry at the boys for getting Jose’s (vile) attention.
I saw someone talk about how their case isn’t too different than Gypsy rose and yet she’s not treated as bad by society…. Food for thought
My first thought was gypsy. How is she free and these two are not. Same basic defense, only she didn’t pull the trigger. Murder for hire plotters get more time.
Eye opening.
It was said in “the monster” aswell, people really dont like rich kids
Technically her hands are physically clean. She only admitted it was "her idea" after she made a deal with the DA. She (allegedly) didn't do the actual killing. That killer is in prison. Personally I think Gypsy needs a ton of MH help that she's not getting. I am genuinely concerned for her unborn child.
I wouldn't say her abuse compares to theirs. All abuse is bad, but each case is very different
@@RoseyPinkGiraffe we’re not speaking on the logistics of the case though, a murder is a murder whether you specifically did the killing, she had a hand in someone’s death. She has an entire reality show, meanwhile society paints these two as the worse people ever, but in both instances they were killing their abuser
Some of the best acting I’ve seen in some time. Especially rewatching clips of the real brothers, it’s quite incredible how well the guy who played Erik got him perfect.
Listen: when you slay the dragon who’s been terrorizing your life, you’re gonna spend the hoard of gold it was sitting on, right? I don’t think they did what they did for the money. I think they spent the money as a final middle finger to the two demons they slayed.
Lyle bought a wings franchise and Erik bought tennis lessons, people act like it was all frivolity.
Beautifully said!!
YESSSSSS❤
@@nikkiberns1365 exactly right
Lol I can't believe what I just read. This world is finished 😂
I never expected this show would to be spot on ... Yet it makes its points clear ... The moral of the story....The media and phycologists are taking advantage... How many books ??? ....
spot on is wild this show is wildly inaccurate
spot on ? absolutely not the show was extremely inaccurate and completely made those boys look like shit and humiliated them the ppl who made the show should actually be punished for such deformation of character almost all of what they put in there was lies not proven and just bullshit to make them look like worse ppl than they are
Youre wild lmfao this series has proven multiple innacuracies
With all due respect, how the hell would Kitty's brother know if Roy from Menudo was assaulted by Jose or not?
I don't like her brother
I think he was talking about the boys
one of the menudo memebrs was interviewed talking about his experience with jose
The most shocking part of the show is the performances. Especially that Eric episode that appears to be all one take with one camera.
I was thinking the exact same thing. That one long continuous take must of taken a lot of time, effort and patience
The dude who played Erik is fine AF.
The actor's name is Cooper Koch and he is gay.
Wtf The dude playing Lyle is fine AF like wayyy more fine
The actors playing the brothers are both equally beautiful, handsome, sexy. Hard to pick only one.
@@jimbolic0809 Exactly!! Hot AF!!
And his body is like damn@@MGianna
One of the best re-enacting + a lot more! Vicious at times, sick at times and pure entertainment, loved this! Go Netflix….
This whole series is inaccurate though……
It’s horrifically exploitative and chock-full of egregious lies
It's not re-enacting. It's a made up story of this side perspective bud
Ep5: THE HURT MAN. Some if the best tv in the last 15 yrs
What I can’t get my head around in this case is, why they all kept saying they could’ve left or tell someone. It’s a fact that most people in a dependent relationship just don’t and suffer quietly for years. Best example are domestic abuse victims. This was a known psychological fact even back then but no psychologist in this case has mentioned that.
They were dependent on their parents, on their father. He had the money, he still got them out of trouble, he got them into schools, made plans for their future. The brothers barely had to think about anything other than the next hour.
Episode 5 was so gut wrenchingly hard to watch in a good way if that makes sense I was getting super emotional and my chest felt so heavy with just a 40 min conversation about all the detail and etc just an amazing episode
But its a made up story. None of that is factual its just portraying the side that they are monsters and did it for money and the molestation never happened.
Little known to people is that Erik continues to play tennis in prison. San Quintin has a fabulous tennis team lol
She said with a straight face: "...despite an implied romance Eric and Lyle did not get married to each other..." Like siblings getting married is something that is not only legal but also a common occurrence here in America. 😂
I giggled at that.
I don’t think it’s a common occurrence, but a rather a speculation for years for the Brothers, people going around saying they had an incest type of relationship.
@@princesssmileyface91 I didn't say anything about the brothers having a relationship specifically (idk if they did or not) It was the way the narrator spoke of them getting married.
Ryan should have had these facts instead of putting and implying some weird relationship between Erick and Lyle
Wym? Their relationship was weird. Lyle raped Eric when they were kids.
@@jewellfix1Evidence?????
@@franceslarsen4037 go watch the first trial. It was literally televised.
@@jewellfix1 Well, from personal knowledge, sexual abuse can cause someone to act out the behavior on a sibling, on a spectrum of severity, so if he did that, he was modeling what was done to him by the father.
@@franceslarsen4037He did do that.
Nicholas Chavez bodied this role but i will always ALWAYS miss him on General Hospital. Keep going, Spencer
I'd love to right support letters to the Mendez brothers as a trauma survivor myself. I just waited til I was old enough and could provide for myself to leave home. I understand that one brother married a woman whose daughter was being abused by her step dad. I see how they bonded. Trauma is horrible and I'm sad pplmhave to suffer.
I'm thankful you're free and safe ❤
The brothers are not gay and if any one of them could be is because of the abuse, stop mocking people who have been SA
The show does not mock then. Is spends almost 3 whole episodes of them just sitting down and explaining their abuse in raw detail. If anything the show makes you feel for them. You still believe they should be in prison though
Yall really think the were abused lmaooo.
These “people” you referring to are convicted murders.
@HorrorFan313 well someone from RCA records (the last company Jose Menendez worked at) recently said that he was also assaulted by Menendez so yeah
@@mazvitaselemani and you believe it lmfaoo 🤡. You can’t fix stupid
1:48 I’m pretty sure they did that to show that Jose was abusive. It’s not to say Erik sucked. It’s to show how over the top the father was
Dude, of course they're did not married each other. They are literal biological brothers. Smh
You watched this whole video and that’s the only part you decided to speak on?
@@TheReelReesePod yeah, so?
@@ariesbloodstone5183 Actually… that’s quite expected of what I perceive people on the internet to be like. Nevermind, forget I said anything.
@@TheReelReesePod ok👍
@@ariesbloodstone5183 Roll Tide!
The parents were horrible to these kids
Lies
You dont kill anyone for beeing terrible,.
You dont kill anyone for beeing terrible,.
@@andrewhatton1606No, it's actually not lies, family members are eye witnesses...
So you believe. We don’t know
The first fact was completely wrong. The Menendez brothers did leave straight after the murders to go to the cinemas, they were surprised when they RETURNED as they assumed neighbors would have heard the gun shots. Why would they stay at the murder scene with shotguns if they thought the police were coming? They already arranged to meet a friend at "taste" restaurant to help establish their alibi. Also considering the internet wasn't a thing back then, they also had to have prematurely find out what time the Batman movie was on so they could time the murders to line up with their alibi where there tried to buy tickets but were too late for that screening.
You called to find out movie times back then. It was the standard for all theaters to have a recording of all the movies and the showing times for that day. Or it’s reasonable that they just showed up at the movies to get the tickets because they still show movies at around the same times.
@@laurenjulia1877 Or you looked up the movie times in the newspaper
@@laurenjulia1877 I know you could call to hear the pre recorded timings. I'm just saying, if you remember the first televised trial they tried their best to make it look like they had bought shotguns for self defence, and didn't plan to murder Jose and Kitty, when there is plenty of evidence to suggest they planned everything.
They knew what time the batman screening was on therefore wanted tickets to that movie to cover the time of death and provide an alibi. How in the heat of the moment would they think of this? And phone records would have shown calls after the time of death if it wasn't pre planned. They also planned to meet up with Erik's friend Craig at a bar called "taste" which Craig left as they were late. They had established a time and alibi for the killings before they carried them out. Not saying they were wrong
Well no all of what you just said is wrong. The boys stayed bc they expected to get caught after killing their parents. They thought the police would come after a neighbor heard the gun shots and they would have to explain everything but nobody showed up so they decided to form and alibi after the fact. Also, The plan to go to that restaurant was planned before the shootings but they were late and ended up not being able to see their friends that day which matches up to the theory that they didn’t actually plan to murder their parents. Why? Because the fact that they couldn’t get a solid alibi even though prosecutors felt like the killing of Jose and Kitty Menendez was meticulously planned false apart for this alone.
@@angrylittlemissredor, or…they were 18 and 21 year old rich kids that didn’t know what they were doing. But just because they didn’t know what they were doing doesn’t mean they didn’t plan that shit out. They’re murderers
Hearing Milivanilli is cracking me up
When she pulled off Lyles hair 😮
I died 😂😂😂
My mouth DROPPED
this was done in another TV movie about the Menendez brothers a few years ago
@@radrobd123 I think Courtney Love played the mom.
@@aiden8834LMAO
I remember this case as a kid it was a crazy trial, but I understand it happened in the late 80s, but the actual trial that started until a few years later I still believe that they’re in
The kids wanted to have a live without abuse.
They were not kids at the time of the murder! Don't sympathize with them plus it wasn't proven that they were abused sexually. They shot them with shot guns! That's evil and crazy
What’s evil and crazy is child s*x abuse. Family members said they were abused. And a boy singer said the father raped him.
@@edwingootz9549 ur mom
@@susannehuber3996 and by “abuse” we mean being left out of the will
They were adults they could’ve literally left the house and never returned again.
the fact to can apply "monsters" to the brothers or the parents or both is brilliant.
Murphy didn’t do Lyle and Erik and favors. They’re called ‘monsters’, the name of the show, Lyle was depicted as a complete sociopath, Erik was flagrantly gay. After the murders, the show actually had a scene where Lyle told Erik they now had to kill Dr. Oziel. None of these things were known to be true. The show was greatly entertaining however and I enjoyed it.
the monsters in the title are the parents, and it's also ambivalent - they could all be monsters. it's not just the brothers so you are wrong
Monsters is referring to the parents and the brothers. The whole mess is the monster. Learn to see past the screen
Monsters is the series lol first they did Dahmer. Next is Ed Gein
It's wild the amount of people calling for their freedom. What they went through is horrible, no one should dispute that. At the same time, are there people that genuinely believe that to kill ones mother and father in cold blood, is totally normal? That's an acceptable response? Nah. That was premeditated murder, not an accident or a caught up in the moment type of situation. Nope. They planned it all. They planned how they were going to kill two people, instead of devising a plan on how to be free.
Whether life played them a bad hand or not, you don't handle stuff that way.
The ends do not justify the means
Have you been abused? There is a psychological process in victims that is much like brainwashing. They don't see the world as it really is, they are prisoners, as if they were shackled in a cell. Plus, they are dealing with loving their abusers.
This case isn't just about the abuse. Erik went to Lyle for help. Jose had made Erik promise to not tell anyone what was happening. Lyle had confronted Jose, and Jose not only said they were being disowned, he said he would kill them before this abuse went public. From that minute until the killing was done, they were on high alert. Everything the parents did only seemed to confirm their fears. They both admit they deserved prison time. But life without possible parole? That seems excessive to me.
Their dad was a high status man who could easily cut off their money for a lawyer to match the lawyer Jose would have. And honestly I would choose death that’s done in under in 2 minutes compared to what they went through. Look at the world and realise that people who are in power are able to get away with this kind of stuff all the time. As apparently Jose says “lie, cheat, steal, just don’t get caught” they would have never won a trial against him. What Jose and kitty did was so much worse than the brothers.
@@jobarden2714 Roy Rossello, from Menudo, says he was raped by their dad too.
They were 18 and 21 years old respectively. Obviously, no murder is not okay and should not be the answer, but if you have not personally experienced abuse, specifically sexual abuse, you have no right to discuss what they "should have" done. I'm sure every day was living he'll for them, he'll if it wasn't clear enough Erik straight up had a eating disorder due to the abuse and sexual abuse. I am in no way saying the didn't deserve prison, but they have been there for over 20 years now and have clearly grown, regret their decision and have found ways to be productive members of society. The intended purpose of prison was to REFORM and change criminal so they can live morally just and right lives. I would say I think they have done that, I think they have learned their lesson, so who are we to say they have to stay in prison forever and be defined by their past forever?
Furthermore, going back to age of murders they were 18 and 21. The prefrontal cortex of our brains is not fully developed until 25 you or older which means they would struggle with decision making and processing emotions. Add trauma to that and your brain is basically f*cked bc it affects how you process and think rationally. Despite the murder having evidence that it was indeed planned, I do think that there was a very imminent and threat that they felt on their lives and well beings that made the murder "the only option" I don't think it's all that different from adolescents who end up committing suicide; they lacking reasoning and processing and see it as their "only way out". But people judge and condemn those who commit suicide too
@@jobarden2714 They could have gotten jobs and moved out like normal kids.
I cryed and watchedover and over the part were they get separated the music the idea they had did everything together then were separated for yrs
Yeah we know about the basketball card cuz you just had it on your list about the menendaz bros yesterday 😂😂😂
Felt like this series DRAGGED at some points
Not done as well as Dahmer that one broke me . But the acting in this one was just as top notch just some of the episodes were meh
@@cristianasaras6898 definitely the episode when the lawyer kept objecting and the judge was just overruling her felt like it went on FOREVER smh 🤦🏽♂️
I think it was to show how long these victims are put thru system. No winners.
People need to understand that victims go thru horrible acts, there after if put on stand it’s worst
@@cristianasaras6898The Hurt Man was my favourite one
@@angelagrey1144 which victims? You certainly don't mean the Menendez brothers
The fact that they separated them for so many years was just cruel.
Yea well that's what happens when 2 murders try and plan a escape..
@@danielmcpherson9399 Lol!!!!! Ummmm...Duhhhhhh!!!LOL!!!Cold blooded psycho paths
Really? If any one of the brothers commit a crime, the other brother should be in jail too ? 😂
@slabbyfatback2272 exactly nothing but Narcissistic sociopaths who paid a lawyer 750 thousand to help make up stories 🤣they are where they belong
@@isabellawong8744 well that's a dumb irrelevant question when they both committed the crime
A lot of these facts they could have detailed in the written epilogue at the end of the last episode. That epilogue was only two sentences long, and the filmmakers could have added a lot more intriguing details to it.
In the end, the question becomes a) do you believe there was abuse, and if so, to what extent? and b) If yes, and if to a substantial extent, how should that have factored into their sentence? Should it have knocked it down from Murder in the 1st degree to Murder in the 2nd? Should they have gotten less time, or been eligible for parole sooner?
Another shocking/dissapointing fact is that Lyle was potrayed as such an aggressive person. I can't think that that is true.
Why does Erik’s actor to me look like James Franco so much? I can’t not look at him and just see James Franco
*Sebastian Stan
The actor that plays Lyle reminds me of a better looking Jack from boy meets world lol
To me he reminds me of the guy that played Apollo in Battlestar Galactica.
He Looks like Bennett from orange is the new black
And the actor for lyle looks like dave franco
Erik and Lyle have both stated that that photo on the trading card is NOT of them. They were in Cali during that game.
Mark Jackson's Menendez card is one people want to battle for
The Menendez brothers are actually against this whole show because of the lies told in every episode.
Erik and lyle like the actors the met with the erik actor
Should compare this series with law and order true crime series of menedez brothers
@@cynthia194 thats their truth. It's never been accepted by the public. Right or wrong. This series has given them worldwide attention. And understanding that they weren't lying. It's more relatable I think. Not sure why.
@@judithwilliams3147they were lying
@@TreySarverand yet more accusers are coming out…. But sure they were lying
@TreySarver how do you know?
The song choice at the funeral
When they don't get an Emmy, I don't know. But the acting was great. Just great.
We shouldn’t be surprised how over the top this series was this is the same man who over did it with the other series as if it’s a horror movie
It is a horror story .
@@judithwilliams3147 Ryan made the series like one of his American horror story episodes
@@dasiareed2708 he got worldwide attention. The documentaries didn't.
@@judithwilliams3147 yeah and it wasn’t the attention he wants
okay, yes there Mendez brothers did stay at home and they didn’t go to the movies, but they did purchase a movie ticket prior to the event for that date so that way when they killed their parents they would have an alibi saying they were at the movie theaters at the time of the death and when they cleaned up the bodies.
They parents abused them and then they were abused by the law. Have a heart. Somebody get them out. They have suffered long enough.
I myself am still not sure if I believe the abuse or not. But every time someone argues with "why didn't they tell about it sooner? why didn't they tell the police" forgets how homophobia is still strong even nowadays (and waaay worse back then), how abuse victims are ashamed to tell anyone, how rich and powerful their father was, how toxic masculinity works. There were plenty of easy-to-understand reasons for not telling anyone about it and I suppose they only did it because they were desperate to get out of prison
That in one of the episodes, when the brothers were standing outside the house. You can see that the house has a doorbell with a camera . . . which weren't around in the 80's.
LoL yes they were. My parents hand one in the 80's and they didn't even live in the USA. You think the 80's is a barren landscape of no technology you mrn
The whole story is sad, heartbreaking. No one knows the truth except the brothers and their parents.. I do not know what to believe, but I do believe the cousins.. .There is a high probablity of child sexual abuse.. heartbreaking... Filmmakers should not be allowed to exploit someone tragedy like this.
There is also a high probability they are compulsive lying sociopaths
i think one detail that was really annoying that they changed,... how lyle apologize to eric on the boat... when in reality he only does it in court which is what made eric cry so much. it was the first time he ever heard sorry. instead they have it happen way before the trial.
It’s Netflix…I’m not surprised they tried to add some fruity shit into it.
@@KingKirbzzz Betty Broderick didn't cry a cry about looking crazy in her Netflix series. She was crazy.
That’s because Ryan Murphy made it lol
No cap just said this to my hg
Why u always talking about “fruity shit” 😮
I know most people feel they got a raw deal, and maybe they did in the second trial ( judge did not give option for manslaughter),but all their abuse recounts were taken out from a book, word for word… so…
I think both brothers deserve an Emmy Erik and Lyle brilliant.... Lyle can be the new Tom cruise if Hollywood goes back to good storytelling instead of CGI MCU universe
FREE THEM
FOR REAL
Ngl I think they should get off with parole cause they had a good reason
Agreed
Absolutely.
The fact the these young were ridiculed for being sexually assaulted explains why they didn’t want that information out there. Our society fails men in this way: we don’t support or understand their abuse. Hell, we do the same to women who kill their abusers, too.
Our society needs therapy.
They stayed at the house because they were busy getting rid of evidence!! Not because they were waiting foe tue police!
They said F the Abuse And F the money It was them being in control of Everything their father tryed to control It wasn't about the money it was about their father not having that Power over them Anymore
The episode where kitty rips Lyle’s hair piece off. Why did they not investigate that a form of abuse. Ppl normally start to loose hair after 21.
I wish you’d mentioned Anne Burgess interviews if the brothers
u can tell Jose was jealous of erik! like blind rage jealous..thats why he targeted him
I say when Lyle was getting helped to write a book with the girl he was talking to, and basically was potentially being recorded with the evidence.
Have there always been females throwing themselves at incarcerated convicts? How long has this been a thing?[Verse 3]
P. C. 31 said, "We caught a dirty one"
Maxwell stands alone
Painting testimonial pictures, oh, oh, oh, oh
Rose and Valerie, screaming from the gallery
Say he must go free (Maxwell must go free)
The judge does not agree and he tells them so-o-o-o
But as the words are leaving his lips
A noise comes from behind…”
lol love how all of you angry haters just cannot accept that someone can view this case in another light than you, and the brothers as not saints, and solely for that reason you are so angry that you deny smth that is a fact: the acting was absolutely genius and top-notch across the board. you can hate Murphy all you want, but the actors were all brilliant!! you are 🤡 the show was great, period!
No they made extra gay 😂
i had some reservations about the show, but the actor who played Erik was brilliant. The one who played Lyle was also good, but a bit over the top sometimes (which doesn’t seem very realistic)
Relax, it's just a show. No need to hate.
they really werent lol
There’s a lot of people that believe the boys’ lies
After watching numerous documentaries on this subject, I found the show immature with unnecessary elements. It's not worth your time; skip it.
They grow up with Sociopath , Terrible parents .
It left out that Kitty Menendez told her therapist she was hiding sick and embarrassing secrets about her family.
I don't care how good the movie is they killed their parents! Instead of leaving the abuse they stayed and killed their parents because of money, NOT ABUSE. Two wrongs don't make it right.
I couldn't relate Lyle with the actor who played his role. But the actor who played Eric's role was excellent.
The parts that shocked me most were how gut-wrenching it was to watch their testimony about severe, sadistic sexual abuse from their father in the first trial. The second most shocking thing was how evidence of that abuse was summarily excluded from the 2nd trial. The brothers' mental and emotional states were warped by years of rape and extreme control by their father, and by their mom's acceptance of it. I was surprised by online video of several extended family members who said they forgave the sons, but refused to forgive their mother for not protecting them, or the father for being a monster at home. The family members agreed that the sons were guilty of killing their parents, but disagreed with the first degree murder charges.
I think the show is a piece of crap and Ryan Murphy should really consider what abuse victims go through before he makes another show.
What shocked me most: Them making the scene of the brothers being intimate at a party. I really don't think they were that way with each other. Rhat scene almost made me stop watching the series.
So 2 days after they ended their parents lives they paid thousands for court side tickets at a Nicks game,.
The actor that plays lyle reminds me of tommy from the peaky blinders lol
If anybody asks you to tamper with evidence, as Leslie Abramson asked of Dr. Vicary, refusing it, as evidence tampering is illegal, could save your back end.
Loved it. Great acting
Ed Gein is the next person their doing on Monsters.
Thats one series I'm keep a distance.
Rumors are that Charlie Hunnam is playing him.
@@chummyx4o1The rumor is correct
I heard it was going to be on Gacy next season
@@courtonabudget Same. I thought I seen an article they were doing John Gacy next too.
Holy mackerel Conan you really got your hair standing up today don’t you? 😆
The problem with liars is that you never know when they're telling the truth.
These men are liars and sociopaths.... but they could also be telling the truth. Hard to know.
The NBA card is CRAZY 😮
God to have so much of your life on Tv and in the public's mind for so long. That has got to be unbelievably hard, besides all the stigma from the murders. I couldn't deal with it.
Can we free Betty Broderick too while we're at it. Oh . She doesn't care anymore. Its ok.
Didn't we already get a Menendez American Crime story w/ Edie Falco???
Lyle's character I loved reminded me of Tom Cruise
Yikes
I've seen enough documentaries to know what happened.
And that abuse defence was born when they were in jail.
Their defence builds on that, and becomes their central point of defence.
They told NOBODY! Not one person.
It was the only thing they could possibly use.
Even if it was all real. Let's say they did suffer all that abuse.
You still don't have the right to unload 2 6 shot 12 gauges.
Then go outside to reload, then put 2 in the mother's head from point blank range.
The mess that shotguns make is brutal. These murders were brutal.
Their defence is no defence for murder!
They actually are sociopathic! That's how and why Lyle did it on the phone call to 911, and also on the stand.
He could cry on demand.
And he did. Why are so many people wanting them freed?
Yeah, they were abused. that doesn't give them the right to do what they did!
Seriously. It's absolutely no excuse.
After watching the documentary I couldn’t watch the Monsters series.
No entiendo
En el título dice lo que quedó fuera de la serie, que no se contó
Pero
Terminan contando casi todo lo que sí se mostró
This goes both ways. The way the parents were murdered was horrible but so is being abused and controlled. It’s so confusing. Although Im sure they were telling the truth about the abuse. Thats something gross to lie about!
Wow. Didn’t realize they were separated for so long.