Massive Davis fan here, from the snooker world. Pity he missed some sitters here, but the big differences between pool greats and snooker greats are on display - Reyes just demolished him. There's a mindset element, like when Reyes deliberately fouled when snookered, it threw me off completely, and that has to catch the snooker greats out a bit, those tactics. And there's a rigidity about the snooker approach that seems to trip him up at times too... Beautiful stuff from Reyes as always.
Steve could have made this into a much closer race, but he made too many unforced errors, and obviously you cant make mistakes against the best pool player of all time!
Efrens peak I think from 1999 to 2005 where he raked almost all the tournaments. He won even after because his level is higher than mortal pool player. But it was not is best from. After 2015 he plays average still enough to play with average player. Only after 2020 his playing got declined and he started missing shots frequently. True legend and GOAT of pool
Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't was many as Efren whose tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness.
@@MasterNeoRNCP Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't as many as Efren's whose global tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness. Here giving SVB a little schooling. ruclips.net/video/DFp2EJYReEI/видео.html
Davis is a legend, not many pool players make the transition and try snooker and the ones who have failed, but davis being a snooker champion made a good transition to pool, just like tony drago. Steve missed some sitters here but, as was mentioned in the match, being programed to hit the centre of the pocket when comes to snooker left davis missing sitters when trying to actually force the angles. Efren is a beast though when it comes to 8ball and 9ball. Both legends
Snooker players aren't keen on making multi-rail shots and look for curves and angles. They will almost always sledgehammer a pocket dead center if given that option. Thus Davis's robotic play.
Because Snooker is a game of accuracy, it’s a boring game. Who wants to transition to that? Sure snooker players can transition to pool but just in 9 ball. How about 10 ball, Straight pool, 8 ball, Carom, Rotation and the hardest pool game of all, One-Pocket. The Magician competed and all of them including snooker. That is why he is considered to be the best in the world.
@@gumaming do you understand snooker? The "boring" comment seems like you don't. Maybe the 9ball players are the same? I don't know hense my comment ;)
I really like watching snooker players play pool players. There are so many differences in their play styles, e.g. their cue action, cue ball positioning, pattern play, safety play etc is all from a very different school. The clash of styles is fascinating.
@@leskerr9446 Snooker is too specialized. All that going from red to black or red to blue over and over, and playing the cue ball safe to the balk rail, is all very specific stuff that you'd have to practice over and over. A pool player wouldn't understand the pace of the snooker table well enough to even do a proper safety shot, they would get creamed straight after the break off.
@@leskerr9446 Steve mizerak has played snooker in exhibitions, funny enough against Steve davis where davis won 5 frames to 1. Mizerk has also played stephen hendry and Jimmy white in the same exhibition matches during the late 80s early 90s. Jim rempe as well did play a few years in the 80s in snooker with his last professional snooker match being against Stephen henrdy were he lost. But you are right you don't see pool players playing snooker often. Would love to see Earl Strickland have a few frames against a higgins or selby.
I remember watching that tournament live back in 1999 on 'Wizja Sport' the channel that was closed about 2001. I didn't know at that time that one day in 2013 I would write my MA thesis about some Filipino pool stars :)
@@filodeusz great heres why Filipino pool player are goid in pool: In every barangay or barrio (small village) there is a pool hall, with sometimes 2, 4 or maybe 6 tables. These are open air places in nipa huts and we play in flip flops. Now, the rent is per game (note: not per hour) its around 20 Pesos per game around US 50 cents. Its a lot of money here. So, in order to maximize the game, we always play Rotation or Race to 61 points. Its all 15 balls in the table and you start with 1 then 2 and so on. Whoever gets to 61 points first wins the game. Lets say you putt the 1ball, then the 2 ball, and then the 3ball combination to the 12ball. 12ball in so, now you have 15points. Until you reach 61. With this game you learn position, cue ball control, safety, combination and carom. Why, because there are a lot of balls to navigate or hide from. Sometimes we play 8ball if we feel rich....
@@filodeusz ...Now, after this we learned to play 9ball. Which is way easier because theres so much room to navigate. In every barangay theres the local "Tirador" hustler or champion or the best player. He has a manager and also the local hero. He can travel to another barangay or city and play that barangays Tirador. The traveler is called the "Dayo" The Dayo will now challenge the best in that barangay. He will be called around 30 minutes wait or an hour. During this time. A crowd is forming around the table and a lot of side bets will be placed during the game. Race to 21 games of 9ball. These are unknown players that upto now, if you dress them up and give them a US Visa can easily beat the best Players in the world.
Yet you'd probably lose 12-0 because professional pool is a completely different beast. Play on a Diamond Pro-Am table with tight pockets and you're toast.
@@RockSpoon123 The pockets in this video are huge. I don't see any UK pub-team player losing 12-0 on that table. Every ball is pottable, all the time as far as I can see. Just need that first ball to drop from the break.
@@gohumberto This is also many years ago. Table pockets aren't this big anymore. I don't see any amateurs taking more than 3 games on this. Especially against Reyes.
to all snooker fans who keeps on comparing snooker players to pool players, read this and rid yourselves of envious hate: ''... If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself....''
@@rickvassell8349 He beat Reyes to win the World 9-ball title, and Jimmy White narrowly lost 9-8 to Reyes. If Reyes is the magician he's claimed to be then these results wouldn't occur, he is better than Davis and White, but not by that much. Put him on a snooker table and he wouldn't win a single frame, that is not even up for debate. And before you ask why he would bother playing snooker, let me tell you why.....the prize money is 10 times higher than pool! In Europe people compete in pool because they are simply not good enough on a snooker table.
Good to watch but the commentary was awful. And why did they, back then, go to an advert only to come back during half a round or one whole round finished.
James Moxon you got some fine crystal ball eh , sorry its cracked hehehe.Last time i watched this video reyes won by a mile.and he sure wasnt crying either.
James Moxon cant you guys stomach the thought that a rough toothless flipflop wearing asian clobbered your suave smooth champion in a game you invented?
+Manny Boy The reason your flip flop wearing Asian wouldn't win Steve Davis in a game of snooker is because the tables are more than double the size and our snooker pockets aren't the size of buckets.
If other sports were like 9 ball the'd be something like this. Boxing, whoever lands the last punch is the winner regardless of points or knockouts. Bowling, get a strike you win the game. Football ( soccer ), Does not matter if you have more goals you have to have scored the last goal to win. Tennis, if you get an ace you win the set, if you score the last point you win the match.
It's really important to understand that Davis was shot by this time. His dominance of snooker ended ten years earlier. By this time he was just a faded veteran who struggled to get through the first round of tournaments. So he did what many old snooker players do, and tried his hand at pool. The smaller table and bucket like pockets suited him but his game still has those telltale misses that ruined his snooker. Once those easy misses come they don't go away. Snooker players are like heavyweight boxers. They don't come back!
The main problem is that Steve Davis didn't commit to Pool so had very little experience with the break and jump shots. This was not helped by him playing most pool matches with his snooker cue rather than specialised pool, break & jump cues as everyone else was using. The fact that this is a World Pool League semi-final, plus the fact that he also reached the final in 2001, suggests that he could play a bit. As does his selection for Europe in the first 11 Mosconi Cups which included scoring the winning point in 2002 by beating Earl Strickland, despite his self-imposed cue handicap. During the first few Mosconi cups, many of the Americans were amazed by his control of the cue ball and said that if he concentrated on pool he could have been one of the greats. I wish he had committed to pool because I believe he could have done very well especially, as you point out, his snooker career was waning but he chose to remain with snooker and ended up a journeyman player with tournament highs few and far between. I am sure he has no regrets but I do think it was a pity.
Then consider also that Efren Reyes' prime was in 70s and 80s.. Thank You! Well, he defeated Ronnie O'Sullivan too and he said Efren Reyes is the GOAT!
@@jonsirulesx9929 I noticed he was rocking a snooker cue. Never understood why they'd play with a tip diameter so small (generally less than 11mm) when pool balls are larger than snooker balls. To me that would take away long shot accuracy and increase the risk of miscue. Most pro pool players use a tip between 11.75 and 12.5 in the modern era. A few old school players like Earl Strickland are known to use larger tips like a 14mm. I personally use a 12.5 which is a good balance between precision accuracy and consistency.
33:40 "Genius at work" indeed. It looked as if Steve was still struggling with cut back shots into blind pockets after that infamous missed final black against Taylor. 42:58 is a telling comment. Gripping commentary throughout, especially from Sid Waddell.
subhanallah6 yeah.. i noticed it too. unlike western players, Filipino players which efren is an epitome, do not focus their skills on technique alone. It's true. I noticed that western players study every physics of the table even how to thrust the cue to its efficiency, but what they don't have that Filipino players and chinese players have which is what I call "the feel", ya feel me? hehe. When it comes to instincts, efren is better than most players of his time. Why do you think he's called the magician? And those ridiculously incomprehensible shots, why do you think he does them more than every player ever did? He always has a feel on the table and shoots instinctively if you notice too at times.
@@JohnS-il1dr I've heard this, that he made 130 against ronnie, but the fact theres not a single video of him playing snooker despite the serious cash that would be coming his way makes me think its not true. Not that pool player cant play snooker, cuetracker has Jim Rempe making a century break and there is a video on YT of Oliver Ortmann making 74 against Willie Thorne
@@captainhindsight8604 actually the story wasn't that he made a 130 break against ronnie. Reyes highest break in snooker was allegedly 130 but it wasn't against O'sullivan. a 16 yr old Ronnie did however play against reyes in which he gave Reyes a 25 point headstart hence the reason why Reyes won the one frame.
Yes sir that is Michaela in 1999, huge difference right? Anyways just an fyi to all, the world cup of pool is going to take place later on this month in London! It is always interesting to watch. Great 9 ball matches with 2 person teams!
Actually you clearly don't know what you're talking about as Reyes has won snooker tournaments in Asia, although he doesn't play much he sticks to pool.
Tyler Gray I think Reyes knew he could win easily against Davis, so he was complacent. If you want to see how good he can be, watch him play Earl Strickland, who is a better 9-ball player.
21:10 I bet no snooker player saw that this is a two way shot. Not just a fluke safety as it may look. Killed the rebound of the white of the rail by using top left spin while trying to pocket the 8 on the corner pocket.
I wish I coulda told these fellas efren wasn't putting on anything. He's just efren, man has had the same exact mannerisms and demeanor throught every tape I've watched of him from 27 years to 62 years old
This game really shows the difference between pool players and snooker players. Pool players are forced to be really creative all the time so it becomes part of your game. Snooker players suppress that in the hopes that caution will win them the game in the long run. You have to take risks some times and great players like Reyes know when to and when not to. 37:50 is a great example - I really don't think Steve Davis would ever have even seen that shot.
You miss the most important point. All of these shots have a much smaller margin for error on a snooker table, the good shots In snooker are just as hard and require just as much vision as the good shots In pool but It's a different game with different parameters.
I agree what you are saying fundamentally. Snooker is a lot more unforgiving than 9 ball, you have to be so precise with the white or it is break over. In this 9-ball you can go around angles etc a lot easier, so you do learn a lot of ways to get out of bad positions. Whereas in snooker you learn NOT to get into bad positions, but when applied to 9-ball it's not really necessary to be pin-point with the white.
I presume you've never really watched snooker, safety shots requires exceptional knowledge of angles at a pro level. /watch?v=dopoaKM1WT8 that's just a few fairly average highlights.
qw ib I play snooker, let alone watch it. As tempting as it is to say snooker is the superior billiard sport (whilst i do believe it is the hardest to master), you have to concede that 9 ball is simply a different game, not an inferior one. My point was that in snooker you have to be a lot more precise and consistent, while at 9-ball since you dont have to be this precise, other elements of skill are utilized more frequently. Efren Reyes is considered the best pool player ever, and he's possibly the most creative billiard player ever too.
qw ib oh and by the way, don't presume such a thing and then give me a highlight clip of ding's best safeties! Next you'll give a link to ronnie's 147's and say there's some average clearances or trump's long pots and say there's some average potting ;)
Obviously, but if you can see how quickly a top player can progress it's obvious that it is far easier for a snooker player to participate at an elite level of pool. And actually it is a reflection of both, seeing as both players are playing. But the main point is a top snooker player can compete at an elite pool level.
I watched this on cable tv back in 2000?? as a replay episode. Back then I never really minded how the announcer/commentators would share their comments. But watching this today, I can't help but say that they really are biased favoring Davis. I can't blame them for that. They may be catering to a certain crowd watching this episode. I do like Davis as a pool player. He has good fundamentals that are worth picking up in your own game. But as a kid, Efren has been and will always be my idol.
I've heard this argument so many times from snooker players. By this logic carom and balkline players must be crap if their skills don't transfer. Also i think a great one pocket player could take a snooker player apart at that game. So get over it already.
+8329kelso Snooker is just a harder game to play, bigger table tighter pockets. having to think 3 or 4 shots ahead etc. No doubt a top Pool player could do ok in Snooker, as they already have good hand eye coordination, certainly there are some intricacies with playing Pool especially 9 ball which I think is more skilled then people give it credit for. Having said that I see a lot of top Snooker players cross over and try their hand on the Pro Pool circuit. I don't see any top pool players on the Snooker circuit.
+shellsbignumber2 I agree somewhat. The first time I saw snooker online I crapped my pants. I thought it looked fun and really hard. I have the utmost respect for high level snooker players. I had trouble going to a 9 foot table so could only image. There is one thing that occurred to me though. A good snooker player can play pool any day of the week. I don't think I could even find a snooker table here in South Texas.
There is an explanation other than the one you are implying. An analogy would be to say that a neurosurgeon would destroy a general physician at the GP's profession. It depends on the talent and experience of the both of them. Remember... a GP with decades of experience will out diagnose the neurosurgeon in general medicine whereas the GP certainly cannot out do the neurosurgeon at the NS's game. The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
I don't agree that its quite the same thing really, but your analogy doesn't do much more than mine to uplift the pool player. There are some who could compete well on Snooker, but I think they are few in number. If we don't agree, thats ok, nothing wrong with that. Cheers mate! 🍻
Patrick B there is no snooker table in Philippines. . but efren played snooker before in thailand i think.. he had to practice for a few days and won the tournament. .. he even beat sullivan but with handicap
Dan Kelly you’ve posted a lot of garbage on this comments sections and can’t be bother correcting all of them .. please do know though that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about
4 inch pocket no where near foot with 2 1/4 balls, English snooker table have smaller pockets and balls which easier to spin the smaller balls with smaller tips. Its all about seeing the angle and aligning up. if you don't see the angle most likely you will miss, if you see the angle and don't get lined up you could also miss. Even the best players in the world misses sometimes. Reyes beat two of the best snooker players in the world on his field (8 ball table) . put him on the other field (snooker table) and the outcome would be different.
Of course. The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
why would he be ashamed. he had a better tourny than you and i. you make it sound like pool is easy and snooker is hard. very few cross over with equal success
and my point is that its simply by virtue of the games themselves, not solely the players. and its really NOT a reflection of both since you basically confirmed my point that snooker has more of a carryover to pool than pool to snooker again by virtue of the games.
Steve Davis first clearance, never lost the white. Perfect position, it's nice too see Steve Davis hold his own against a full time nine ball player. Against Steve in Snooker however, there would be no comparrison.
To the two people in the comments saying that Efren's attempted bank shot at 21:20 isn't a fluke and intended, you're wrong. He is clearly attempting to bank into the corner, he missed and the fluke was that the 6 could have stopped anywhere and he was lucky to get behind the 9 and that the 6 landed safe. Not only that he also missed the position on the 7. Re-watch the shot, he's trying to bank into the corner and misses, everything else after that is just luck. No doubt you're both Philippino. He's arguably the best 9-ball player of all time, but don't let that cloud your judgement.
What you're missing is 2-way shots at speed, either you make the shot, or if you miss the speed most likely will leave you pretty safe. Efren is the best in the world at it.
You're right that he could've safed himself behind the 9 had he made the bank. But what were the chances of him making the bank + leaving himself safe behind the 9? I would say 10% at best. Therefore, you have to accept the numbers and go for the shot!
that's a two-way shot, that's why he shoot it that hard to make the 6 ball go back at the center of the table in case he miss the bank shot. And watch the cue ball curve and stop, just enough to see the 7 ball.
Terrible coverage. Didn't get to see a lot of the shots because they're too busy on a replay or some other crap. Was Steve Davis drinking? Every time the camera showed him he was drinking a shot. That probably didn't help his chances.
That was certainly not intentional. Professionals don't like to combo the nine, they would rather run the rack. Also that shot would have been too precise, and not worth potentially losing the cue ball position for his next shot.
williampatrickwoods Check 4:18 when Efren pointed to where cue ball can possibly bank, thus kicking the nine out. He has played this style a lot of times. There is however a gamble here if he failed on the four. This makes Efren Reyes interesting to watch.
Perhaps he intentionally hit the nine, either because it was inevitable or to make it easier to get to after the eight, and put side spin on it to still get to the five, but he definitely did not line it up over the pocket for the combination intentionally.
I doubt it. The 6 ball was flying too close to the corner pocket to not believe it was a bank shot. Also the cueball was forced top because of the speed he had to hit it to get shape on the 7 ball, but also because it was on the rail.
Commentators don't even see what Efren's trying to achieve @19:09: precisely what he does (one can tell from the positioning of the cue ball that was NOT attempting the combination shot on the 7)! Onepocket type of thinking, nicely executed, might even have gotten a deadly hook.
reyes did play some really good safety shots. but he also was getting allot of the rolls. and even the 9 ball make on the break was kinda lucky. guess it just wasnt davis's day
It is quite clear that Efren is VERY aware that Davis could beat him easily. His face reveals all. Any real pool player knows that snooker is far harder and any champion snooker player is well capable of winning any pool game but not the other way around. Having said that, Efren would be a world class snooker player if this was his chosen game.
They would need to get to know all the rail kicking systems too. takes the guesswork out of escaping from snookers. You can see Efren using them when he's kicking. Efran just has knowledge that Davis does not. Then you need to get used to the different weight of the big pool balls. Efren will have played with these his whole life. Davis is used to a smaller lighter ball. So his feel is all over the place. Davis has so many disadvantages that it makes it impossible to win just about. The same if Efran was to play Davis at snooker in a race to 9. He'd have zero chance.
@@noobgamer-qx2rp I think they struggle with the size of the cue ball. It responds differently to the small, light snooker cue ball. When Steve Davis, Jimmy White, Ronnie etc play pool you see them miss shots that they would NEVER miss in snooker, not once in 1000 attempts. The reason must surely be due to the way they are trying to apply side to the larger cue ball in ways they are not used to.
We'll it is a reflection of both, it shows that snooker players can dominate both categories if they allow themselves the time to do so. A 9 ball player is at a massive disadvantage as he suddenly realises it's not about a lucky break off shot but an effective string of large breaks that win you frames. The only difficult thing a snooker player would perhaps struggle with would be controlling that white on a table without knap.
Thanks for this video upload
Massive Davis fan here, from the snooker world. Pity he missed some sitters here, but the big differences between pool greats and snooker greats are on display - Reyes just demolished him. There's a mindset element, like when Reyes deliberately fouled when snookered, it threw me off completely, and that has to catch the snooker greats out a bit, those tactics. And there's a rigidity about the snooker approach that seems to trip him up at times too... Beautiful stuff from Reyes as always.
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Steve could have made this into a much closer race, but he made too many unforced errors, and obviously you cant make mistakes against the best pool player of all time!
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Two world champions in their respective sport. They are legends.
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Held his own in pool, let's see him play snooker.
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Efrens peak I think from 1999 to 2005 where he raked almost all the tournaments. He won even after because his level is higher than mortal pool player. But it was not is best from. After 2015 he plays average still enough to play with average player. Only after 2020 his playing got declined and he started missing shots frequently. True legend and GOAT of pool
His prime was when he was still playing locally. In 1996 in his big match against Strickland he was already 43.
@@psijicassassin7166 But as I have heard Parica was the king during 80s in Philipines. He has beaten Efren in many finals at that time...
@@MasterNeoRNCP Parica showed both Efren and Strickland who was boss back then.
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Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't was many as Efren whose tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness.
@@MasterNeoRNCP Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't as many as Efren's whose global tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness.
Here giving SVB a little schooling.
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Efren is amazing Students should really watch the masters to learn so many little things . Watching him makes us all students in some way.
All Pool Pros past and Present learn from Efren.
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Davis is a legend, not many pool players make the transition and try snooker and the ones who have failed, but davis being a snooker champion made a good transition to pool, just like tony drago. Steve missed some sitters here but, as was mentioned in the match, being programed to hit the centre of the pocket when comes to snooker left davis missing sitters when trying to actually force the angles. Efren is a beast though when it comes to 8ball and 9ball. Both legends
Snooker is also a forte for efren back then.
But The money is on pool.
Snooker players aren't keen on making multi-rail shots and look for curves and angles. They will almost always sledgehammer a pocket dead center if given that option. Thus Davis's robotic play.
Because Snooker is a game of accuracy, it’s a boring game. Who wants to transition to that? Sure snooker players can transition to pool but just in 9 ball. How about 10 ball, Straight pool, 8 ball, Carom, Rotation and the hardest pool game of all, One-Pocket. The Magician competed and all of them including snooker. That is why he is considered to be the best in the world.
@@gumaming do you understand snooker? The "boring" comment seems like you don't. Maybe the 9ball players are the same? I don't know hense my comment ;)
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Listening to these old school presenters just shows you how far sports commentary has come.
Oh my. I just got done watching a load of darts, then I start this and I'm treated to more Sid Waddel. Marvellous.
Same haha
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I really like watching snooker players play pool players. There are so many differences in their play styles, e.g. their cue action, cue ball positioning, pattern play, safety play etc is all from a very different school. The clash of styles is fascinating.
I notice that the pool players do not seem to ever play the snooker players on a snooker table.
@@leskerr9446 Snooker is too specialized. All that going from red to black or red to blue over and over, and playing the cue ball safe to the balk rail, is all very specific stuff that you'd have to practice over and over. A pool player wouldn't understand the pace of the snooker table well enough to even do a proper safety shot, they would get creamed straight after the break off.
@@leskerr9446 Steve mizerak has played snooker in exhibitions, funny enough against Steve davis where davis won 5 frames to 1. Mizerk has also played stephen hendry and Jimmy white in the same exhibition matches during the late 80s early 90s. Jim rempe as well did play a few years in the 80s in snooker with his last professional snooker match being against Stephen henrdy were he lost. But you are right you don't see pool players playing snooker often. Would love to see Earl Strickland have a few frames against a higgins or selby.
16:41 what a shot!
Great match. Awesome to watch two absolute masters. Love this game, both snooker and pool alike.
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I remember watching that tournament live back in 1999 on 'Wizja Sport' the channel that was closed about 2001. I didn't know at that time that one day in 2013 I would write my MA thesis about some Filipino pool stars :)
I can tell you why Filipino people are good in pool. Are you still there?
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@@filodeusz great heres why Filipino pool player are goid in pool:
In every barangay or barrio (small village) there is a pool hall, with sometimes 2, 4 or maybe 6 tables. These are open air places in nipa huts and we play in flip flops. Now, the rent is per game (note: not per hour) its around 20 Pesos per game around US 50 cents. Its a lot of money here. So, in order to maximize the game, we always play Rotation or Race to 61 points. Its all 15 balls in the table and you start with 1 then 2 and so on. Whoever gets to 61 points first wins the game. Lets say you putt the 1ball, then the 2 ball, and then the 3ball combination to the 12ball. 12ball in so, now you have 15points. Until you reach 61. With this game you learn position, cue ball control, safety, combination and carom. Why, because there are a lot of balls to navigate or hide from. Sometimes we play 8ball if we feel rich....
@@filodeusz ...Now, after this we learned to play 9ball. Which is way easier because theres so much room to navigate.
In every barangay theres the local "Tirador" hustler or champion or the best player. He has a manager and also the local hero. He can travel to another barangay or city and play that barangays Tirador. The traveler is called the "Dayo" The Dayo will now challenge the best in that barangay. He will be called around 30 minutes wait or an hour. During this time. A crowd is forming around the table and a lot of side bets will be placed during the game. Race to 21 games of 9ball. These are unknown players that upto now, if you dress them up and give them a US Visa can easily beat the best Players in the world.
@@mikeserrano734 ohhhhh that makes a lot of sense! It explains so much. Thank you and regards from Poland
I recognized Sid's commenting.. same as to darts.. miss that guy ..
Amazing shots::: Efren Reyes!!!
36:06 Davis gets visibly distracted during setting up this shot. You can tell he will miss.
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Winner breaks... have they snapped out of it and changed it to alternating? (btw I am a Reyes fan it has nothing to do with who wins/loses to me).
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Last rack was phenomenal! Potted the 9 ball on break ..
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"He's Bank Manager", that caught me off guard!! LOL
When I watch pro Snooker I know I could never compete.
When I watch pro Pool I always think me and my pub mates could give them a good game.
Yet you'd probably lose 12-0 because professional pool is a completely different beast. Play on a Diamond Pro-Am table with tight pockets and you're toast.
@@RockSpoon123 The pockets in this video are huge. I don't see any UK pub-team player losing 12-0 on that table. Every ball is pottable, all the time as far as I can see.
Just need that first ball to drop from the break.
@@gohumberto This is also many years ago. Table pockets aren't this big anymore. I don't see any amateurs taking more than 3 games on this. Especially against Reyes.
I'd pay his travel expenses just to share a match and a smoke with the goat.
So you're saying you're better than Davis because he clearly missed shots. Typical amateur.
to all snooker fans who keeps on comparing snooker players to pool players, read this and rid yourselves of envious hate:
''... If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself....''
unless your name is ronnie or effen
Always an excellent treat to watch Reyes vs any former snooker champion at pool. Both have to be at the top of their game to win.
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Such a contrast between the way they both strike the ball. Very interesting.
Legend never die
I just love the commercials
I would love to watch the two of them play snooker!
Efren sent him BACK to the snooker slab.
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He beat Reyes to win the World 9-ball title, and Jimmy White narrowly lost 9-8 to Reyes. If Reyes is the magician he's claimed to be then these results wouldn't occur, he is better than Davis and White, but not by that much. Put him on a snooker table and he wouldn't win a single frame, that is not even up for debate. And before you ask why he would bother playing snooker, let me tell you why.....the prize money is 10 times higher than pool!
In Europe people compete in pool because they are simply not good enough on a snooker table.
Good to watch but the commentary was awful. And why did they, back then, go to an advert only to come back during half a round or one whole round finished.
Now let's bring Reyes into Steve's world..
+James Moxon steve wouldnt want that.Who wants to be clobbered in his own game , do tell.
Reyes would cry like a bitch.
James Moxon you got some fine crystal ball eh , sorry its cracked hehehe.Last time i watched this video reyes won by a mile.and he sure wasnt crying either.
James Moxon cant you guys stomach the thought that a rough toothless flipflop wearing asian clobbered your suave smooth champion in a game you invented?
+Manny Boy The reason your flip flop wearing Asian wouldn't win Steve Davis in a game of snooker is because the tables are more than double the size and our snooker pockets aren't the size of buckets.
Good grief, the announcer/commentary is wretched!
What?! Sid Waddell was a literary genius and a poet to boot. An encyclopedia of metaphors, a sheer delight.
I lasted exactly 43 seconds before pausing and writing this.
ANYTHING with crazy Sid Waddell is impossible to watch and listen to.
What a fool.
SD is a pretty solid player but no match for Reyes. Reyes is in my opinion the best in the world. He's proved this plenty of times
He measured it precisely 37:36. What makes this shot great is the preparation for the next shot.
Efren Reyes is a legendary player ..he is pride of the Philippines ❤❤
If other sports were like 9 ball the'd be something like this.
Boxing, whoever lands the last punch is the winner regardless of points or knockouts.
Bowling, get a strike you win the game.
Football ( soccer ), Does not matter if you have more goals you have to have scored the last goal to win.
Tennis, if you get an ace you win the set, if you score the last point you win the match.
It's really important to understand that Davis was shot by this time. His dominance of snooker ended ten years earlier. By this time he was just a faded veteran who struggled to get through the first round of tournaments.
So he did what many old snooker players do, and tried his hand at pool. The smaller table and bucket like pockets suited him but his game still has those telltale misses that ruined his snooker. Once those easy misses come they don't go away. Snooker players are like heavyweight boxers. They don't come back!
The main problem is that Steve Davis didn't commit to Pool so had very little experience with the break and jump shots. This was not helped by him playing most pool matches with his snooker cue rather than specialised pool, break & jump cues as everyone else was using.
The fact that this is a World Pool League semi-final, plus the fact that he also reached the final in 2001, suggests that he could play a bit. As does his selection for Europe in the first 11 Mosconi Cups which included scoring the winning point in 2002 by beating Earl Strickland, despite his self-imposed cue handicap.
During the first few Mosconi cups, many of the Americans were amazed by his control of the cue ball and said that if he concentrated on pool he could have been one of the greats. I wish he had committed to pool because I believe he could have done very well especially, as you point out, his snooker career was waning but he chose to remain with snooker and ended up a journeyman player with tournament highs few and far between. I am sure he has no regrets but I do think it was a pity.
Then consider also that Efren Reyes' prime was in 70s and 80s.. Thank You! Well, he defeated Ronnie O'Sullivan too and he said Efren Reyes is the GOAT!
@@jonsirulesx9929 I noticed he was rocking a snooker cue. Never understood why they'd play with a tip diameter so small (generally less than 11mm) when pool balls are larger than snooker balls. To me that would take away long shot accuracy and increase the risk of miscue. Most pro pool players use a tip between 11.75 and 12.5 in the modern era. A few old school players like Earl Strickland are known to use larger tips like a 14mm. I personally use a 12.5 which is a good balance between precision accuracy and consistency.
I have that exact table. 03:43 "BANK MANAGER LOVES HIM" LOLOLOL Best commentator ever 04:20
that was corny man
33:40 "Genius at work" indeed. It looked as if Steve was still struggling with cut back shots into blind pockets after that infamous missed final black against Taylor. 42:58 is a telling comment. Gripping commentary throughout, especially from Sid Waddell.
all round any way...efren is pool master. well done sir.
yes it is but not a snooker player like davis 💪🏻✌🏻davis is good with both
efren's cue action is very rough but davis's cue handling is superb,sensible and decent
You call efren's shots rough? Lol!
Lol I called his cue action rough not his shots
haha o well… what can i say
subhanallah6 yeah.. i noticed it too. unlike western players, Filipino players which efren is an epitome, do not focus their skills on technique alone. It's true. I noticed that western players study every physics of the table even how to thrust the cue to its efficiency, but what they don't have that Filipino players and chinese players have which is what I call "the feel", ya feel me? hehe. When it comes to instincts, efren is better than most players of his time. Why do you think he's called the magician? And those ridiculously incomprehensible shots, why do you think he does them more than every player ever did? He always has a feel on the table and shoots instinctively if you notice too at times.
Doesn't matter how you look when you're cashing the winner's check!!!
Ridiculous comment from an inexperienced opinionated mind!!!
Purely from pov of spectator of both it'd be cool to see more pool players try a frame of Snooker at exhibitions
Efron did. He achieved a century and got respect for it. He would lose to Ronnie of course
@@JohnS-il1dr I've heard this, that he made 130 against ronnie, but the fact theres not a single video of him playing snooker despite the serious cash that would be coming his way makes me think its not true. Not that pool player cant play snooker, cuetracker has Jim Rempe making a century break and there is a video on YT of Oliver Ortmann making 74 against Willie Thorne
@@captainhindsight8604 actually the story wasn't that he made a 130 break against ronnie. Reyes highest break in snooker was allegedly 130 but it wasn't against O'sullivan. a 16 yr old Ronnie did however play against reyes in which he gave Reyes a 25 point headstart hence the reason why Reyes won the one frame.
Who won the 1999 world pool league Efrén or jim rempe in the final? Í cant find the Match. Please
Efren won only a point
Interesting that they had a break box way back then. I had no idea it was an old concept
Yes sir that is Michaela in 1999, huge difference right? Anyways just an fyi to all, the world cup of pool is going to take place later on this month in London! It is always interesting to watch. Great 9 ball matches with 2 person teams!
Actually you clearly don't know what you're talking about as Reyes has won snooker tournaments in Asia, although he doesn't play much he sticks to pool.
Winning snooker tournaments in Asia all them years ago is like winning American football tournaments in Africa 😂
@@userjim83 he still played competitive snooker and those Asians weren't slouches either. They may not be Ronnie level but still proved tough.
@@JohnS-il1dr nothing more than decent club players let’s be honest
The commentators DON'T get the MIND of Mr. Efren Reyes. Anyway, REYES WON convincingly 7-2. And they are biased.
Convincing might be a bit generous, Reyes played well but Davis did gift him a couple easy ones.
Tyler Gray I think Reyes knew he could win easily against Davis, so he was complacent. If you want to see how good he can be, watch him play Earl Strickland, who is a better 9-ball player.
Tyler Gray thats why its convincing
If they were playing snooker Davis wouldnt lose one game.
Paul L They weren't playing snooker or poker or pinball. Davis challenged him at 9-ball, and Reyes was simply the best at that game.
“Thats why his bank manager likes him”
Seria o Efren o melhor jogador de sinuca da história até hoje?
Sim, ele é o melhor de todos os tempos
Beautiful Ref❤
thank god they’ve made the pockets tighter since
21:10 I bet no snooker player saw that this is a two way shot. Not just a fluke safety as it may look. Killed the rebound of the white of the rail by using top left spin while trying to pocket the 8 on the corner pocket.
Okay ... now let’s see how a top pool player gets on on a snooker table ...
The last laughter laughed by EFRAN BATA RAYS.
I wish I coulda told these fellas efren wasn't putting on anything. He's just efren, man has had the same exact mannerisms and demeanor throught every tape I've watched of him from 27 years to 62 years old
That's what they said.
He is the best playaer in the world👍👍👍
You do realise its the SEMI FINAL meaning Steve beat a lot of pool players.
Keep in mind that steve davis and efren reyes finish in the top 4 in the league phase
StFidjnr uuuuuuuuuuiuu
Either one would do well in either pool or snooker
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That rack 6 was beautiful
Not so fun 🙏 but still both our my hero's .❤️❤️❤️❤️
This game really shows the difference between pool players and snooker players. Pool players are forced to be really creative all the time so it becomes part of your game. Snooker players suppress that in the hopes that caution will win them the game in the long run. You have to take risks some times and great players like Reyes know when to and when not to. 37:50 is a great example - I really don't think Steve Davis would ever have even seen that shot.
You miss the most important point. All of these shots have a much smaller margin for error on a snooker table, the good shots In snooker are just as hard and require just as much vision as the good shots In pool but It's a different game with different parameters.
I agree what you are saying fundamentally. Snooker is a lot more unforgiving than 9 ball, you have to be so precise with the white or it is break over. In this 9-ball you can go around angles etc a lot easier, so you do learn a lot of ways to get out of bad positions. Whereas in snooker you learn NOT to get into bad positions, but when applied to 9-ball it's not really necessary to be pin-point with the white.
I presume you've never really watched snooker, safety shots requires exceptional knowledge of angles at a pro level. /watch?v=dopoaKM1WT8 that's just a few fairly average highlights.
qw ib I play snooker, let alone watch it. As tempting as it is to say snooker is the superior billiard sport (whilst i do believe it is the hardest to master), you have to concede that 9 ball is simply a different game, not an inferior one. My point was that in snooker you have to be a lot more precise and consistent, while at 9-ball since you dont have to be this precise, other elements of skill are utilized more frequently. Efren Reyes is considered the best pool player ever, and he's possibly the most creative billiard player ever too.
qw ib
oh and by the way, don't presume such a thing and then give me a highlight clip of ding's best safeties! Next you'll give a link to ronnie's 147's and say there's some average clearances or trump's long pots and say there's some average potting ;)
Obviously, but if you can see how quickly a top player can progress it's obvious that it is far easier for a snooker player to participate at an elite level of pool. And actually it is a reflection of both, seeing as both players are playing. But the main point is a top snooker player can compete at an elite pool level.
Efren the machine..👏🏆
What a match 👏 , two great players.
I watched this on cable tv back in 2000?? as a replay episode. Back then I never really minded how the announcer/commentators would share their comments. But watching this today, I can't help but say that they really are biased favoring Davis. I can't blame them for that. They may be catering to a certain crowd watching this episode.
I do like Davis as a pool player. He has good fundamentals that are worth picking up in your own game. But as a kid, Efren has been and will always be my idol.
Verbatim from commentator “Efren is favourite for this match, but Davis is capable, Davis must believe he can beat him”
Best snooker player could beat the best pool player at pool. The best pool player could not beat the best snooker player at snooker.
Nope
I've heard this argument so many times from snooker players. By this logic carom and balkline players must be crap if their skills don't transfer. Also i think a great one pocket player could take a snooker player apart at that game. So get over it already.
+8329kelso
Snooker is just a harder game to play, bigger table tighter pockets. having to think 3 or 4 shots ahead etc. No doubt a top Pool player could do ok in Snooker, as they already have good hand eye coordination, certainly there are some intricacies with playing Pool especially 9 ball which I think is more skilled then people give it credit for.
Having said that I see a lot of top Snooker players cross over and try their hand on the Pro Pool circuit. I don't see any top pool players on the Snooker circuit.
+shellsbignumber2 I agree somewhat. The first time I saw snooker online I crapped my pants. I thought it looked fun and really hard. I have the utmost respect for high level snooker players. I had trouble going to a 9 foot table so could only image. There is one thing that occurred to me though. A good snooker player can play pool any day of the week. I don't think I could even find a snooker table here in South Texas.
+shellsbignumber2 you have a missplaced comment or you have comprehension issues.This video is about a pool player beating a snooker player by a mile.
Nice play by efren reyes. new friend here sending my full support from jerone..
Always the Snooker players on Pool Tables, and never the reverse. Wonder why that is. ;-)
There is an explanation other than the one you are implying. An analogy would be to say that a neurosurgeon would destroy a general physician at the GP's profession. It depends on the talent and experience of the both of them. Remember... a GP with decades of experience will out diagnose the neurosurgeon in general medicine whereas the GP certainly cannot out do the neurosurgeon at the NS's game.
The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
I don't agree that its quite the same thing really, but your analogy doesn't do much more than mine to uplift the pool player. There are some who could compete well on Snooker, but I think they are few in number. If we don't agree, thats ok, nothing wrong with that. Cheers mate! 🍻
Patrick B there is no snooker table in Philippines. . but efren played snooker before in thailand i think.. he had to practice for a few days and won the tournament. .. he even beat sullivan but with handicap
He is one of the few who did play and could hold his own or better. I think he scored 132 against the Rocket as well. Hes so great Efren. 👌
Dan Kelly you’ve posted a lot of garbage on this comments sections and can’t be bother correcting all of them .. please do know though that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about
16:35 awesome shot
Awesome game
Steve Davis always sips water from his tiny shot glass like it was moonshine or Saki.
If you watch snooker, you will see the players always drink a gallon of water per match.
How many times must the commentator remind us that the guys from the "embassy" are here. Is that the only fact he knows 😕
Hahaha
Steve Davis, once the best snooker player in the world. He must be so ashamed for missing so many shots on these foot-wide pockets
+BHunt616 because snooker table has tiny pockets LoL.and snooker players thinks size is everything.
4 inch pocket no where near foot with 2 1/4 balls, English snooker table have smaller pockets and balls which easier to spin the smaller balls with smaller tips. Its all about seeing the angle and aligning up. if you don't see the angle most likely you will miss, if you see the angle and don't get lined up you could also miss. Even the best players in the world misses sometimes. Reyes beat two of the best snooker players in the world on his field (8 ball table) . put him on the other field (snooker table) and the outcome would be different.
Of course. The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
R Mo efren is all around in cue sports... Gifted in controlling the cue ball and very good in preparation
why would he be ashamed. he had a better tourny than you and i. you make it sound like pool is easy and snooker is hard. very few cross over with equal success
37:57 WTF!
Efrens shows magic 🎱
Talk about a Clash of Titans.
The best on the last break, a killer shot, the Terminator. Go Efren 💪
What is this format?
It is the 2002?
and my point is that its simply by virtue of the games themselves, not solely the players. and its really NOT a reflection of both since you basically confirmed my point that snooker has more of a carryover to pool than pool to snooker again by virtue of the games.
Steve Davis first clearance, never lost the white. Perfect position, it's nice too see Steve Davis hold his own against a full time nine ball player. Against Steve in Snooker however, there would be no comparrison.
Finally someone with a brain on this comments feed
To the two people in the comments saying that Efren's attempted bank shot at 21:20 isn't a fluke and intended, you're wrong.
He is clearly attempting to bank into the corner, he missed and the fluke was that the 6 could have stopped anywhere and he was lucky to get behind the 9 and that the 6 landed safe.
Not only that he also missed the position on the 7.
Re-watch the shot, he's trying to bank into the corner and misses, everything else after that is just luck.
No doubt you're both Philippino. He's arguably the best 9-ball player of all time, but don't let that cloud your judgement.
What you're missing is 2-way shots at speed, either you make the shot, or if you miss the speed most likely will leave you pretty safe. Efren is the best in the world at it.
You're right that he could've safed himself behind the 9 had he made the bank. But what were the chances of him making the bank + leaving himself safe behind the 9? I would say 10% at best. Therefore, you have to accept the numbers and go for the shot!
Sir, 7 ball is open (if 6 went in) check 21:57. (and even upper corner also looks possible for good position on 9).
that's a two-way shot, that's why he shoot it that hard to make the 6 ball go back at the center of the table in case he miss the bank shot. And watch the cue ball curve and stop, just enough to see the 7 ball.
exactly! thats a 2 way shot! he put a lot of draw on that shot to place the cueball on the right side of the table.
Davis drinks water like it's a fine whiskey.
Terrible coverage. Didn't get to see a lot of the shots because they're too busy on a replay or some other crap.
Was Steve Davis drinking? Every time the camera showed him he was drinking a shot. That probably didn't help his chances.
@ 4:17 Reyes shoots #4 but also successfully sidekicked 9 ball to position it close to corner pocket. (ready for combination shot with #6 ball).
That was certainly not intentional. Professionals don't like to combo the nine, they would rather run the rack. Also that shot would have been too precise, and not worth potentially losing the cue ball position for his next shot.
williampatrickwoods Check 4:18 when Efren pointed to where cue ball can possibly bank, thus kicking the nine out. He has played this style a lot of times. There is however a gamble here if he failed on the four. This makes Efren Reyes interesting to watch.
Perhaps he intentionally hit the nine, either because it was inevitable or to make it easier to get to after the eight, and put side spin on it to still get to the five, but he definitely did not line it up over the pocket for the combination intentionally.
That final break
Steve Drunk gallons of water lol
in 21:24 one of his magic...people didn't noticed but that's what efren want..just look at the cueball...
I doubt it. The 6 ball was flying too close to the corner pocket to not believe it was a bank shot. Also the cueball was forced top because of the speed he had to hit it to get shape on the 7 ball, but also because it was on the rail.
NugenProductions yes efren really banked it but at same time safed it (if 6 failed). note that 7 ball is open (if 6 went in). check 21:57 .
yes look where he points his cue stick, exactly where the 6 ball hits.
That's a great player.. my idol..
Commentators don't even see what Efren's trying to achieve @19:09: precisely what he does (one can tell from the positioning of the cue ball that was NOT attempting the combination shot on the 7)! Onepocket type of thinking, nicely executed, might even have gotten a deadly hook.
reyes did play some really good safety shots. but he also was getting allot of the rolls. and even the 9 ball make on the break was kinda lucky. guess it just wasnt davis's day
Be damned if that lag isn't a tie. How did they decide to give it to Steve?
It is quite clear that Efren is VERY aware that Davis could beat him easily. His face reveals all. Any real pool player knows that snooker is far harder and any champion snooker player is well capable of winning any pool game but not the other way around.
Having said that, Efren would be a world class snooker player if this was his chosen game.
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Having seen all this, it is definitely the opposite of what you say
I like the demeanor of both players...not like the others so talkative.
What size table is this?
Snooker player only has to practice 'break' and he would kick pool player's ass
They would need to get to know all the rail kicking systems too. takes the guesswork out of escaping from snookers. You can see Efren using them when he's kicking. Efran just has knowledge that Davis does not. Then you need to get used to the different weight of the big pool balls. Efren will have played with these his whole life. Davis is used to a smaller lighter ball. So his feel is all over the place. Davis has so many disadvantages that it makes it impossible to win just about. The same if Efran was to play Davis at snooker in a race to 9. He'd have zero chance.
Efren the GOAT 👍🏻
Steve Davis V Efren Reyes. One for cue sport aficionados.
Winner plays 1940s invincible willie mosconi 8 ball pockets pool
These announcers are weird.
Genius at work!!! Effren Reyes. They said it and it's the truth.
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snooker requires much more thought than just hit and hope my friend
....and yet
so they have more skills ang thought that is why they are not winning?
@@noobgamer-qx2rp I think they struggle with the size of the cue ball. It responds differently to the small, light snooker cue ball. When Steve Davis, Jimmy White, Ronnie etc play pool you see them miss shots that they would NEVER miss in snooker, not once in 1000 attempts. The reason must surely be due to the way they are trying to apply side to the larger cue ball in ways they are not used to.
Effren was not hitting and hoping..... Did you watch the match for gods sake???!!!!
@@dhirajpallin2572 yeah I agree... Davis missed a few shots that were gimmes
We'll it is a reflection of both, it shows that snooker players can dominate both categories if they allow themselves the time to do so. A 9 ball player is at a massive disadvantage as he suddenly realises it's not about a lucky break off shot but an effective string of large breaks that win you frames. The only difficult thing a snooker player would perhaps struggle with would be controlling that white on a table without knap.