The Slaughter Method Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Two Vegans Rank Slaughter Methods.
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@@pacmanmcgavin7034 he is not lying
With gassing animals to death, I'm reminded of a mindfield episode (with Vsauce Michael) where he was looking for "the scariest thing". And he concluded that the scariest thing - because even people *without functioning amygdalae* find it terrifying - was suffocation. As breathing is one of the most critical functions for all vertebrates, that makes a lot of sense. I think perhaps chickens being gassed going in the "moderate suffering" category is probably underestimating what they go through.
I completely agree!
That was my first thought too also it wasn't suffocation exactly it was heightened CO2 in the blood
Are the same people not afraid of being boiled alive or sth?
Suffocating is simply painful in itself and even if you're not afraid prior, you'll still suffer the pain once you're actually suffocating.
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Best video idea ever lol
Make more tier lists like non vegan excuses tier list
That's a pretty good idea indeed!
a tier list of most dangerous/loud anti-vegans
Yeah that one made me chuckle. Are you talking about the one found on reddit?
I am a non-vegan
@@parishthewolf1508 daddy chill
I feel like there's a speciesist bias in these ratings. "Moderate suffering" in the human context sounds like having to wait 15 minutes in the rain for your uber to arrive, not being electrocuted through your head
idk i think that example is more mild suffering. i’d say moderate suffering is like a broken bone or a panic attack. strong suffering is like severe mental health issues, injury, illness or trauma. and the torture ones are, well torture. but yeah, you could be right about the speciesist bias
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 no. Speciesism means arbitrary difference of treatment or consideration purely on the basis of species membership, rather than because of a meaningful difference of characteristics (e.g. level of sentience, capacity to feel pain, health risk etc)
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 philosophy is flawed? What does that even mean? Treating a mosquito differently to a dog, or a human differently to a snail, isn't speciesist if the difference in treatment is justified by a difference in characteristics. If ethics is about suffering and well-being, then a species' ability to experience suffering and well-being is a morally relevant trait
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 is it acceptable to you to beat a puppy to death with a hammer? If not, why not?
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 The irony is that someone like you is actually more likely than most people to eventually realize you were wrong and go vegan. Your subconscious knows you're wrong and that it's not okay what we do to pigs/chickens/cows, but your cognitive dissonance currently causes you to shut down in discussion, not reply to any of Anthony's actual points, and insult him even though he's been talking to you calmly the whole time.
they're all extreme ways to kill someone and also very unnecessary
Killing animals produces meat
@@mike02439 including dogs and cats? What about humans? 🤔
@@mells3167 Dogs and cats for meat , no thanks . Humans are being killed in hundreds every day in Ukraine by bomb , rocket , fire and bullets
@@mike02439Stating that the killing of animals is justified because it produces meat is akin to saying that The Holocaust was justified because it targeted Jews for genocide. if an action serves a purpose, that doesn't mean that that action is necessary.
8:42 was really hard to see again, I actually already saw that footage but see him alone not even running being trustfull and having a youthfull innocence just to be grinded up alive the next second made me cry out loud, fuck that's hard to imagine this happens every second for billions of them... I'm vegan since about a year more or less grow up vegetarian but I'm really thinking about activism now, it's just too much to handle but I would like to do it the right way as I'm quite an introvert and I wouldnt want to stumble on my words, forget about all the logical points and let people think veganism isnt the only reasonable way to go
It's hard to rank the awfulness of a range of sickeningly unethcal things. But doing so helps brings the reality home. If you'd like to hear more from Vicky I was lucky enough to talk to her here ruclips.net/video/zn_IU2rGJCc/видео.html about "What's real?", "What matters?" and "How can we make a better world". Sentientism is "evidence, reason and compassion for all sentient beings."
I must say that this was a very interesting idea and a very affective one i terms om shedding light on animal suffering. This will be a video that I will show my non-vegan family and friends since I think it is honest and descriptive about the topic in a way that might interest non-vegans. It is also very telling to see how horrific each of these executions are, just by looking on the reactions that Vicky displays when she talks about them.
A truly sad but IMPORTANT video.
Thanks to all that you two are doing.
I found this video incredibly valuable. I always knew fish had it bad but I didn't know how to explain their plight very well. Thanks for taking the time to estimate the suffering of these various methods of murder.
this is actually a legit strong way to communicate the problem to normies
^ Yep, exactly.
Truly a great video, as it goes into crucial detail without being horrendously unwatchable. Even when watching a documentary like Dominion, or general slaughterhouse footage, it's hard to understand what the experience is specifically like (especially considering details that are specific to certain animals, like fishes hating direct contact). Also strikes a balance between the idea of "humane slaughter" (which is obviously a myth) and "all killing is equally bad" (which overlooks the range of torture that can be experienced) - it shows that while all slaughter is abominable and causes significant suffering, and unimaginable risks of further torture, methodsdo aslo matter for the animals as some are even worse than others. Furthermore, there is some interesting information here regarding the success rate, duration of consciousness, etc.
Here in Brazil they still use electric shock for pigs. I would have put it at strong suffering, because there has been a lot of footage uncovering how many pigs are still fully awaken struggling with their throats slit. In this way I think it's the closest there is to kosher and halal slaughter for pigs, if there was such a thing.
There is no reason to think that a simpler mind suffers less from pain and quite some reasons to expect the opposite. Thinking back I suffered MORE from pain as a child, not less and it seems to be similar for disabled people. If not much else is going on the entire field of consciousness can be occupied by pain.
I agree! When I go to the doctor to get a vaccine, I litteraly don't care; when you go vacinnate a dog however, it can be a very scary experience.
extremely sad but it's a really good video and a really important conversation
At Wittlich Pig Save in Wittlich Germany, the slaughterhouse worker told the local paper it took up to 2 minutes for them to go unconscious in the gas chambers. 😠
And we could hear them screaming
All farming is causing extreme suffering. I think we vegans need to quit saying "factory farming" is causing suffering, it gives non-vegans an out because somehow they all think their meat had a happy life and fell to sleep on a soft fluffy pillow and woke up a burger.
The closure of factory farms has to be the priority first step - and its the easiest one for the general public to acquiesce to
@@asmrpillow457 I understand what you're saying, and you're not wrong that we need to have focused pinpointed goals, but what happens when we finally end factory farms and they think they've done enough, then we have to start all over and fight against those who think better welfare is the finish line. The biggest argument I face is folks who think they buy from small farms who treat their animals well. Most ppl are in major denial of how much they fund factory farms.
Yeah, the non-factory farmed animals still have to be slaughtered, they may have had a little bit more room or whatever but they are still forced through the same horrible process of slaughter.
@@fishfeelpain7764 exactly. In the end, the murder is the act of abuse. You can't love and care for someone while also ending their life for selfish reasons, no matter how wonderful the life was.
I mean there's a difference between a bullet in the head and boiling alive.
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I am shocked you didn't place halal in "torture beyond words" area, because this is how is it described by scientists examining this issue. There are a few mechanisms causing extreme suffering in this situation. And you can find info on internet.
This seems really fucked up to do. Probably shouldn't have started the video laughing maniacally.
Take it easy. This content needs to be appealing to non-vegans. If it was just a straight face and constant seriousness. No one would watch it.
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They never said use Sleeping Gas (chloroform) before CO2, bolt, electric and blended. The animal will never feel Pain, M.S., S.S., I.T. and T.B.W.. Put to sleep (ZZZZ) would be a better standard for Factory Farms.
Sorry, this is sick. I can't watch it
wait 2/3 of halal slaughters are stunned? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Halal?
None of the Muslim people I know (a lot) actually care and will eat meat from anywhere
Interesting video! I read somewhere that bolting doesn’t work about 10-20% of the time, but can’t remember where I saw that
First put to sleep with Unconscious Anesthesia before any kind of processing.
When I gave up other meat, I continued eating crustaceans because I was just SO SURE arthropods couldn’t feel anything. Recently I’ve learned that they might actually die in agony being boiled alive. Now I lie awake nights thinking about all the times I ordered shrimp instead of chicken convinced I was doing the right thing and wondering how much each of those shrimp suffered. Any advice on dealing with the guilt?
I don't think you should feel guilty about decisions you made when you felt confident they didn't suffer, so long as you don't make similar decisions now that you know better. If you want to do things you can feel positive about / proud of, then one alternative is supporting Crustacean Compassion and/or Effective Altruism Animal Welfare Fund :)
Why tf would you think that?
I think anyone in agonizing pain knows that that's a pretty simple state of mind.
@@MrCmon113 At the time, I thought that consciousness only evolved in the vertebrate forebrain and that invertebrates responded to stimuli without experiencing anything
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I would have said tgat consciousness is a pure epiphenomenon, but maybe people thinking an talking about consciousness is an exception.
To be honest as awful as it sounds, I'll take mild/moderate short suffering over some other methods since painless isn't often possible in a factory.
What an interesting idea for a video!
May use a tub of nitrogen foam for 5 minutes and not use co2 ?.
I used to have to steam lobsters alive for work... So glad I don't work there anymore. I couldn't do it anymore ever again.
Sad and interesting facts
Great video
Kind of tasteless to put this into a "tier list" format. You could talk about this in a more serious way.
The inhumane captive bolt doesn't work a lottttt of the time because the companies just want to hurry and the slaughterers if that's a word can't be accurate.So sick and sad.
how forgot jhatka, it’s painless
5:35 surely she meant to say seconds, right?
I think it was 10, 20, 30, 40, [a] minute - ie the first ones were all in seconds, and can go up to 60 seconds.
Yes, she meant seconds. Pigs are killed few minutes after they are stunned so it wouldnt make sense
None of this considers the conscious experience of the expansion of time that occurs in a healthy body during a 'potentially' fatal trauma - the mental processing speeds presented here are anthropocentric - it is always extreme torture.
The only reason them chickens aren't being stunned properly because greedy people wanting more n more n more for nothing else people would be doing it manually....disgusting
Wtf she said 'we should be stunning animals'? What is this chanel even about? No. We shouldn't be stunning animals. We should be living them alone, preferably in a sanctuary.
Baby chick's are beautiful and so cute wtf I can't believe it 😫
Jesus Christ this is morbid. Btw I have the same glasses as you
I would disagree with the ranking of male chicks. I think the majority of the time it is painless. If there is a problem with the machine it can be torture though.
It's probably very painful but short.
The way y'all go about this makes me sick!🥴
ok I always thought vegans are totally against meat eating full stop. but I can see in this video your okay with it if its humane slaughter which I can agree with you on.
me 30 year old male own a small ranch where I have a collection of animals for raising and breeding and generally take care of them. on special occasions I do slaughter 1 or 2 of them for a meal. and make sure it is humane and quick. and I make sure nothing gets wasted because this animal did not die for no reason.
all the meat is eaten, brains and organs aswell, skin is stored and used.
I make sure the animal is under no distress before the slaughter.
for me personally i do not agree with vegans when they try to argue that human life = animal life. its just an animal. but that does not mean you have to kill it and not eat the meat or kill it with torture.
they argue that all sentient life is equitable because there is literally nothing separating us beyond our species. Animals being more sensory driven could even mean that animals should be valued more because they might have the capabilities to suffer more
Farmers and food producers need to stop supplying vegans , factories producing vegan foods and vegan restaurants . Let the snivellers go hungry
Triggered at the extreme violence against animals your diet causes?
@@John.anti-carnist Violence creates tasty meat
@@mike02439the literal definition of a 🤡
I don't get the point of this video.. it's all awful and unnecessary.
I think it’s for people who use “humane slaughter” as a reason not to go vegan. none of it is humane, but people need to learn that
It is definitely instructive. It's a weird way of presenting it, but in spite of the overly light presentation (which is strangely charming, maybe I just like Jack too much), but wouldn't we want to have the most information possible on what is actually happening to trillions of animals ? It's probably all vegans here, but regardless whether we're for it or not, being well-informed on the suffering and death inflicted in the world is valuable.
So Horrible :(
Love meat!
intelligent.
Actually Jack, this vet is not quite right about bolt gun stunning with cattle....
She's describing it as if the bolt gun (when it works properly) is killing the animal.
She even said: "but with the bolt gun, if your brain's dead, your dead"
This simply isn't true! The bolt gun shoots a captive bolt through the skull with such force that is renders the animal immediately unconscious.
But it DOES NOT KILL IT.
I have carried out this procedure many times so I know what I'm talking about.
What we did, as soon as the animal was unconscious was to carry out pithing which means inserting a flexible rod through the hole made by the bolt gun into the animals brain and physically destroying the brain by quickly pushing the rod back & forth... Once that is done the animal is dead.
Because of mad cow disease, the powers that be made pithing illegal as it was thought it could could introduce BSE into the carcass.
www.hsa.org.uk/downloads/technical-notes/TN1-future-without-pithing-HSA.pdf
We were a small community organisation, so we only killed one cow at a time, and we had a fail safe way of removing stress and cruelty before the bolt gun was used.
Two weeks before the animal was due to be slaughtered, we would lead it from the field to the exact spot in the yard where it is going to be killed.
At this place in the yard, the animal was given some of it's favourite food in a bucket, and we would press a knuckle into the animals head at the exact point where the bolt gun would eventually be placed.
The was done sometimes twice a day for 2 weeks before that actual slaughter.
On the day of the slaughter the cow would happily pull you along to the slaughter point in the yard, and drooling with expectation sometimes even wait for the pressure on it's head - usually from a knuckle - but this time from a bolt gun that it has not seen at all....
So it is in a relaxed - even happy - state of mind, starting to munch on it's favourite food when 'BANG' in a few milliseconds it's completely unconscious.
But then the pithing needs to be done to kill it.
I should add, that is all in my past. I've been vegan for 3 years now.
I now totally know that forcefully breeding sentient beings into existence, enslaving them, abusing them, and killing them at a young age for our taste pleasure, when none of that is necessary is morally wrong.
So no one judge my by my first post please... It took me a long time, but I eventually learnt to see this moral obligation thank goodness!
I have also witnessed many times the bolt gun failing to work. All cows skulls are NOT the same. So finding the exact right spot to shoot them is never an exact science.
Also, they can go down and within a few seconds regain consciousness, the pithing - or throat cutting & bleeding out - has to be done ASAP, otherwise - as your vet said - multiple shots have to be fired, and the bolt gun has to be re-loaded each time... It can be an absolutely horrendous process..
Thanks for the insight, as horrific as it was to read.
Wilful ignorance is what stops most people going vegan, people dont want to know.