Bloody hate the new fare gates!! A wheelchair user has already demonstrated that the top part closes directly on their head! Plus it does very little to prevent gate hopping since it's so easy to crawl underneath!
It's the fallout of armed teen delinquents hopping the old fare gates, raiding a train, robbing its passengers, and getting away. (corrected from "hijacking", thanks to a suggestion by wong2750)
Correction: The red line runs a combination of 8, 9, and 10 car trains. They are split during midday to save electricity. I think you confused it with the orange Richmond to Warm Springs line which has mostly 6 car trains, but also runs 8 cars as well.
Thanks for pointing that out, most people on the platforms seem to ignore the fact that these red line trains are longer and just don't use the front and rear cars much.
Yes I know right! They should get the Muni (Local Metro/Streetcar for San Francisco) ones, like a person said in this comment section. They are much more effective at blocking people from going under or over. Here is a comparison: SF Muni: https: //images.app.goo.gl/HSTPa5CG1pGqRqqPA SF Bay Area BART: images.app.goo.gl/AuecAc6VUQ4odjGP8
@@WeavementSesestea In all fairness, BART was envisioned as a proof of payment system, like most suburban commuter rail usually is. The gates were basically decorative, just a reminder that you _should_ pay. If you’re tall enough, you could literally just step over the barricades and get into the “paid” area at most stations! It seems that BART is now both reintroducing proper proof of payment practices (fare inspectors) _and_ hardening the station entrances. They aren’t just introducing new, proper plexiglass full height fare gates, but also hardening the fences and barriers. Overall, this is along overdue change. If you want people to actually pay, you really need to give then a reason to. For example, in places like France, people will try to jump fare gates on pure principle if no one is actively enforcing fare compliance!
Well the new fare gates in a way should help to stop evaders jumping over but someone definitely could crawl underneath so maybe they should put alarms to alert the station agent of a fare evader or put a small turn style underneath the empty space.
They still look like the ones that gave me a fear of my head being crushed when I was a kid. With these new ones, they can give me that same fear as a 24-year-old. Smh
I don't understand this somewhat American custom of designing stock as though they be tube trains for their style over any economy..oh well. I like how you panned over to views seen beyond the other side of train, although I myself would've filmed from the shaded side itself, not that there sunny side of the train. 🍺
I went on that side because I figured the sun wasn't low enough yet to ruin any footage, but principally because the city's skyline is visible looking west. I generally pick the side with the better views, unless the sun becomes too much of a detriment.
swing gates are better what is this nonsense? Not effective against fare evaders because the gates don't extend to the ceiling like NYC's subway gates do
Those gates will stop jumpers, but wont stop people from going under.
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14:17 I saw a man running
Bloody hate the new fare gates!! A wheelchair user has already demonstrated that the top part closes directly on their head! Plus it does very little to prevent gate hopping since it's so easy to crawl underneath!
Those gates are ridiculous! Just get swing doors, they would be so much better.
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They are going to put in higher doors 😂
It's the fallout of armed teen delinquents hopping the old fare gates, raiding a train, robbing its passengers, and getting away.
(corrected from "hijacking", thanks to a suggestion by wong2750)
@@rambunctiousmedia3350 That actually happened?
@@tkefan29 There's news footage of it from a few years ago.
Well I wouldn’t say hijack more like raided it
I love how the gates look higher now
Correction: The red line runs a combination of 8, 9, and 10 car trains. They are split during midday to save electricity.
I think you confused it with the orange Richmond to Warm Springs line which has mostly 6 car trains, but also runs 8 cars as well.
Thanks for pointing that out, most people on the platforms seem to ignore the fact that these red line trains are longer and just don't use the front and rear cars much.
Coming from Toronto those fare gates are worse than ours! Yours is a haven for fare evaders
Yes I know right! They should get the Muni (Local Metro/Streetcar for San Francisco) ones, like a person said in this comment section. They are much more effective at blocking people from going under or over.
Here is a comparison:
SF Muni: https: //images.app.goo.gl/HSTPa5CG1pGqRqqPA
SF Bay Area BART: images.app.goo.gl/AuecAc6VUQ4odjGP8
Not as much of a fare haven as the old Skytrain system though. No gates! No longer true today though.
Oh I forgot to mention there was that back then, there was a way to skip the Bart gates by taking elevator. Horrible management truly.
@@WeavementSesestea In all fairness, BART was envisioned as a proof of payment system, like most suburban commuter rail usually is. The gates were basically decorative, just a reminder that you _should_ pay. If you’re tall enough, you could literally just step over the barricades and get into the “paid” area at most stations!
It seems that BART is now both reintroducing proper proof of payment practices (fare inspectors) _and_ hardening the station entrances. They aren’t just introducing new, proper plexiglass full height fare gates, but also hardening the fences and barriers.
Overall, this is along overdue change. If you want people to actually pay, you really need to give then a reason to. For example, in places like France, people will try to jump fare gates on pure principle if no one is actively enforcing fare compliance!
Wonderful.
Holy crap the gates
I personally hate this fare gates; it’s like I’m waiting for them to one day hit me right in the face
Well the new fare gates in a way should help to stop evaders jumping over but someone definitely could crawl underneath so maybe they should put alarms to alert the station agent of a fare evader or put a small turn style underneath the empty space.
They do have alarms if you try to push on the flaps. But no alarm if you crawl through as people already have been doing.
RedLight GreenArrow haha yup
How many of the new trains are in service now?
Six, one on each line and two on the Orange line.
Those are some embarrassing fare gates. Just get the ones MUNI has!
RedLight GreenArrow Yeah the Muni ones are really effective, you can't crawl under or jump over them, good thing the BART board voted for it
They still look like the ones that gave me a fear of my head being crushed when I was a kid. With these new ones, they can give me that same fear as a 24-year-old. Smh
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What's to stop someone from going under the gates?
I don't understand this somewhat American custom of designing stock as though they be tube trains for their style over any economy..oh well. I like how you panned over to views seen beyond the other side of train, although I myself would've filmed from the shaded side itself, not that there sunny side of the train. 🍺
I went on that side because I figured the sun wasn't low enough yet to ruin any footage, but principally because the city's skyline is visible looking west. I generally pick the side with the better views, unless the sun becomes too much of a detriment.
I could see the gates closing in on someones head, not good 😬😬😬
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Bay Area transit news how come when the Bart goes to Richmond how come it’s red and orange line like mixed together
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Those gates stay open too long
swing gates are better what is this nonsense? Not effective against fare evaders because the gates don't extend to the ceiling like NYC's subway gates do
What's a swing gate? Yours is now the second time reading that term here along this comment board.
A gate that swings open, usually with glass doors. Look at the ones in Atlanta or Vancouver.
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