Funnily enough, there have been attempts to justify the Decepticon name in various forms of fiction. The one that stands out to me is in the Transformers Prime cartoon. In one arc of that series, Optimus loses his memory of the war and thinks Megatron is his friend again, so Megatron recruits him to the Decepticons to decrypt their stolen Autobot intel. At one point, Optimus asks "Why are we called the Decepticons?", to which Megatron responds "The Autobots branded us that way to demonize us, but now we wear it as a badge of honor."
Idk. I feel like trying to explain it just points out how silly it is to use that name because it still has villainous/antagonistic implications. I think I could buy it more if it was something about using altmodes as a disguise to deceive enemies or to hide in plain sight.
@@quarkedbutt3957 Yo! As a kid i watched the same movie. I also saw rhe full color I love lucy episodes before I saw the black and whites and had to ve convinced that everyone didnt die in the show. Then I was told that everyone DID however, die IRL. Good times..
I still love the quote from the original animated movie. When Prime is fighting Megatron and he says to Megatron "I thought you were made of sterner stuff!"
He said: ‘Peter, if you’re gonna be a hero, be a real hero. Don’t be one of those Hollywood heroes, pretending they’re tough. Just be strong and real. Tell the truth. Be strong enough to be gentle.’ -Peter Cullen, talking about his brother
Yep! Such great wisdom and an incredible legacy! That's what makes optimus my most favorite character ever! Such a great being and father figure! ❤ :')
Peter Cullen tried to speak out about lines that he knew Optimus would never say and he got steamrolled. Age of Extinction and the Last Knight mistreated Prime horribly, however my breaking point was in Dark of the Moon when they turned Sentinel Prime into a bad guy. Sentinel fucking Prime as a fucking villain... it still pisses me off to this day and I'm a fan of the villains more so than heroes and still its wrong. If the guy with Decepticon and Predicon crests tattooed on him thinks something is wrong that's a sign...
Actually no in universe that’s an awful target The head doesn’t house the killing blow the chest does Quick chest kills are the decepticons MO while the autobots have instead decided to mutilate faces and tear them limb from limb
These films all started blending together in my head towards the end, so I can't remember which film it was, but I think the hardest I've laughed in a (thankfully empty) cinema was when Optimus creeps up and brutally stabs another robot in the back and then says "FOR HONOUR!"
@@86Fallowcp Ah, the first one with Marky Mark, so that'd be the one with the statutory-rape-get-out-clause card scene. Which is certainly a thing I just typed.
I had one od the best viewing experiences I've ever had in a cinema with that movie. Went with a group and we just burst out laughing scene after scene, making fun of just how STUPID Marky Mark and the Dinobot bunch really was.
So, we're getting a new Transformers movie, Rise of the Beasts. It's going to include the Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons. It's also set in the 1990s, and it's a direct Sequel to Bumblebee. Ron Perlman is going to voice Optimus Primal! The one downside is, nobody's really sure if it connects to the bayformers universe. I hope to God it doesn't. Just let us have this new series.
I don't think it connects to the Bayformers movies. Thanks to Last Knight we know that Bumblebee was on earth prior to WW2. In the Bumblebee movie, Bee only shows up during the 80s, meaning that the movie *can't* and *shouldn't* be connected to the Bay movies.
For anyone who also hates the Bay Formers movies and gave up after the first few. Do yourself a favour and watch Bumblebee. It's legit actually a good movie with a killer soundtrack.
Yeah they look great fir what they were going for It’s too bad the designs themselves weren’t great Like the decepticons look like metal globes and the autobots only defining features are really the colours and Heights Now I don’t like my transformers with backpacks or feet panels but these designs don’t look transformable without black magic especially at standard toy scale Yes I do acknowledge unique toys and there wizardry (like they gave movie galvatron an accurate completely kibble free transformation) but the designs have to sort of make sense as transformable from a glance and having stuff like waste wheels (I understand removing them gif the cartoon but I kind of would have liked that especially with how they look on the lego set) or else it isn’t believably
I really really really don’t like the bay movies for a multitude of reasons, including psychopath face ripper Optimus prime. But. Rotfs forest fight has one of the most Optimus Prime lines ever uttered by the truck man himself. “Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?” “You’ll never stop at one…I’LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!”
War for Cybertron, Fall of Cyebrtron, Transformers Prime and G1 Transformers probably have the best incarnations of Optimus and the rest of the transformers as a whole (maybe even transformers animated, would need to rewatch the show to confirm for myself)
The stereotype twins from the second one were lobotomised in a tie-in comic, that was the only way they could justify how stupid they were in the movies
@@Calais-dn5bl oh my god that was way sadder than it needed to be, but I replayed the final mission so many times just playing as all the different characters was so good, i miss that game
Something I never see anyone talk about with the Bayformer movies is that when the robots are all in their vehicle forms, they're all slick and clean and show no wear or damage of any kind. Then, when they transform into their robot forms, they suddenly have nicks and dings and scratches and broken glass and wear marks and all kinds of other shit. AND THEN, when they transform back into vehicles they're completely unmarred again. There's a few scenes throughout those movies where you can see the damage manifest during the transformation sequences and it's always annoyed me.
I know Rise of the Beasts isn’t part of the Bayverse, but Optimus ripping Scourge’s head off like he’s in Mortal Kombat syncs up perfectly with Bay’s Optimus Prime.
i love how this wiki page started as "optimus prime is a real cool nice guy who cares about people :)" and then eventually just transitioned into RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEAR
I think the show Transformers Prime really nailed Optimus Prime's character. In one episode they have a celebration party after winning a battle and the government guy tries to get optimus involved and he just looks at him, then walks away. Perfect.
Wise and compassionate leader. Why yes Wise for head shots to guarantee to kill of your enemy. Compassionate for not letting your enemies suffer too long of a death XD
The thing with the Bayformers is... I can't imagine anyone else really doing it justice and taking it as seriously as he does. Michael Bay is the king of big shit blowing up and he has a legitimate love for the transformers where he actually makes giant robots fighting while a city explodes around them soothing.
Thé robots fighting is thé least important part of it as a fan he should’ve kept the characterisations and focused on the cybertronians but alas he wanted action and women
speaking of aiming for the head, he does a 360 spin around with his sword, decapitating six decepticons at once in one of the movies, and almost killed all the autobots, but they have plot amour, and they need to sell more toys
Fun fact: iirc, Mudflap and Skids were the reason ROTF got an award in the Emmys(?). They got some award that has to do with “having diverse characters.”
My theory is that Prime is suffering from war fatigue. In the first movie hes mostly like his cartoon counterpart (he only kills one decepticon, and is willing to sacrifice himself). But the thing that pushes him over the edge is dying in the 2nd movie and coming back. Literally the first thing he does when he gets back is kill Jetfire and use him as a jetpack, and then execute The Fallen.
I've had the fortune of not watching any Bay Transformers movies past Revenge of the Fallen. 15 year old loved the first one... But even 15 year old me was hit with a physical sensation of disgust and disappointment after watching the second one.
For a while, I've been imagining what it would be like if Hasbro had their own theme park: - I could picture a Transformers rollercoaster where the trains are themed after specific characters' vehicle modes, and the queue has videos where Optimus Prime talks to you or something. - Walkaround My Little Pony characters, played by two people each in a pantomime horse costume.
I could see astrotrain being cool fur the visuals alone Although they would probably need to reach into the Japan exclusives there since they had the trainbots a team of combiners who act as Japan’s protectors and high speed transport service
U was in Uraq at the time the first Bayformers movie came out and they played it for us. The whole theater went into an uproar when Optimus' sword came out.
A friend and I actually binged these movies and agreed they are bad when I comes to being a transformers film and many of the things people hate about them but we love the ideas and fights that did come the films and it made us wish they were made with better love and care. Also crazy how much these movies introduce so many current lore info like the primes, the all spark and unicron being the earth
3:20 That movie would have been better if they stuck with already established Transformers lore. There's already an artifact that can create Cybermatter (or whatever they call it) in The Key to Vector Sigma. Instead of some bullshit asspull involving the Quintessons, they could have went with the simpler plot "The Dynobots left Cybertron with the Key to protect it from Shockwave. Shockwave catches up to them, spaceship combat ensues, and they both crash on prehistoric Earth and go into stasis lock for millions of years." Then instead of that weak pansyass CEO of KSI, they could have had G.B. Blackrock from the G1 comics. Then again when I think of Blackrock, I picture Robert Downy Jr's portrayal of Tony Stark and that wouldn't be possible. They should then have made Shockwave the Big Bad like they hinted he was supposed to be, or have Shockwave use the Key to revive Megatron as Galvatron just like they used the Matrix to revive Prime in RotF. It would have been stupid, but it would have been the kind of stupid that makes sense and would have hit everyone's nostalgia buttons.
The best bayverse optimus quote "Give me your face" while killing the fallen " didnt betray me you betrayed your self" whilst exicting his defenceless mentor in cold blood "You protect earth or die" to his pet grimlock "Not today"kills a potential prisoner
One thing I love about the Transformers wiki is that it doesn’t take itself too seriously and all the captions for the pictures on it are written humorously and the trivia is often written tongue in cheek. You joke about the pathos put into the death of a toy in the 80s film, but keep in mind said death traumatised so many kids that Hasbro had to quickly rewrite the death of a character in the GI Joe movie into the character getting put into a coma instead of dying because they were scared they’d traumatise the kids all over again when they saw that film. Given all the questionable actions Bayformer Optimus does in those films, I can only assume Peter Cullen was contractually obliged to keep appearing in them given that when the guys behind Robot Chicken asked him if he’d reprise the part of Optimus for a skit he turned them down because of how much respect he has for the character. Overall, I think Bayformers falls far short of the original cartoon; I have zero interest in 80s hair metal music but I think The Touch is one of the best pieces of music in all Transformers. Especially when it’s combined with Optimus’ rampage through the Decepticon army on his way to Megatron (side note, what makes it even more epic is iirc every single Deceptacon you see Optimus take out in that scene is on the Decepticon casualty list for that battle and I think makes up something like 50-75% of said list). You really should do more Transformer stuff, but focus on all the really dumb shit from the 80s like how Optimus’ brain fits on a single floppy disc. 😜
Being of a certain age, i was always of the understanding that the cartoon series was developed in the 80's to sell the toys. Love your stuff keep up the good work
Alright let’s give a quick history A company by the name of takara toys created a line of transforming mechs with hunan controllers under the name diaclone but it wasn’t particularly popular, hasbro decided to import these toys and add in another takara toy line called micro changers with the cars put together as the good guy autobots under the big truck’s command and the planes and objects turned into the decepticons with a grey coloured walther P38 made as the leader (since children would have less experience with planes and guns are bad so the gun would be the big bad) After the Japanese disinterest hasbro contacted marvel comic to give these robots personalities that children would like and associated with, Bob budiansky was given this task and created individual character bios to go with these characters and a comic was created using these characters plus hasbro originals like a new black and purple jet called skywarp On top of those lines sone other characters from competing Japanese companies were added such as toyco’s “4 changeable Astro magnum” to become shockwave and the macross series’s jetfire Although there were some design differences based on prototypes and terrible photocopying (megatron originally had a black helmet, soundwave at one point had a mouth {later removed on digital distributions} the combaticons looked nothing like their toys and galvatron used earlier colour schemes rather than the iconic purple) During the early days of the comic hasbro saw quite a success with the project so commissars marvel with a transformers TV show pilot called “more than meets the eyes” as you can tell this was very popular but even before release hasbro commissioned a full 13 episode series that turned into transformers G1 Although it wasn’t always smooth sailing you remember jetfire well that had some legal issues You see macross was an anime series produced by bandi and the western rights to the series and characters was bought by harmony gold and they were a tad sue happy mix this with takara not wanting to advertise a rival product meant his design was changed and name changed to skyfire Now your probably wondering how shockwave got through unscathed if takara didn’t want to advertise rivals that’s because in the cartoon at least he was forced to stay on cybertron (outside if the near frequent animation errors) so was shunted to the background despite being so prominent to the comics be over through megatron about 6 issues in since the writers had difficulty making a gun alt mode work without a universal flying rule or mass shifting Well anyway one last piece of interesting trivia about the cartoon is that it caused a very long running debate over the naming schemes for consettecons being the colourschemes of rumble and frenzy due to a misunderstanding in the notes In the comics and toys frenzy is blue and rumble is red but someone on the staff must have misinterpreted a note and swapped the names and since the cartoon was really popular it spawned the infamous firrib vs fibrir (I’m sure you can get the acronym based on the context) I have a lot more random bullshit I can tell you if you want but this is probably long enough
These movies excited me as a kid/teenager. Now as an adult... I mean, I could probably rewatch the first movie and enjoy myself, but it'd probably be a mix of nostalgia and "well it's not as bad as the later movies".
Gonna be honest, this is my favourite Optimus. There's something really cool about this dude that the others can't compare, besides his design in the first 3.
I drink and smoke with my best friends and we cheer when autobots win every time🤣🤣🤣 might not be amazing, but holy fuck is it ever entertaining. I prefer Shia, but Marky mark ain't horrible. RIP my boy Jazz gone too soon
I think they addressed how easily Optimus could defeat Megatron. If both were on equal ground in one of the animated series. With Optimus throttling Megatron and then beating the ever-living crap out of him. Until Megatron submitting to defeat.
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Of course he's unstoppable in hand-to-hand combat, he hits like a truck.
That too, but I always figured he was drawing upon the collective combat experience of all the Primes that came before him through the Matrix.
Fuck, that's a good one
He’s peter fucking Cullen ! Get it right !
Of course he's a heavy hitter, he's still in his prime
@@middleman5463 well played
“Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.”
-A robot who turns into a truck.
Funnily enough, there have been attempts to justify the Decepticon name in various forms of fiction. The one that stands out to me is in the Transformers Prime cartoon. In one arc of that series, Optimus loses his memory of the war and thinks Megatron is his friend again, so Megatron recruits him to the Decepticons to decrypt their stolen Autobot intel. At one point, Optimus asks "Why are we called the Decepticons?", to which Megatron responds "The Autobots branded us that way to demonize us, but now we wear it as a badge of honor."
That is actually very cool and makes some sense
That show was so fuckin good. I always felt that line was a reference to "christian" starting as mockery before being adopted by adherents.
I remember that it meant their ideology of deception being an vital thing in life I can agree with that but not all the time
I forgot that line, and honestly that’s amazing and I hope it’s used more
Idk. I feel like trying to explain it just points out how silly it is to use that name because it still has villainous/antagonistic implications.
I think I could buy it more if it was something about using altmodes as a disguise to deceive enemies or to hide in plain sight.
You can't talk about Optimus Prime quotes without mentioning
"One shall stand, one shall fall"
How could you forget his most famous quote? "I'll kill you, I'll kill you all!"
@@quarkedbutt3957 Yo! As a kid i watched the same movie. I also saw rhe full color I love lucy episodes before I saw the black and whites and had to ve convinced that everyone didnt die in the show. Then I was told that everyone DID however, die IRL. Good times..
I still love the quote from the original animated movie. When Prime is fighting Megatron and he says to Megatron "I thought you were made of sterner stuff!"
@@JohnClark-tt2bl that also is an incredible line
I always like "Fate rarely calls us at a moment of our choosing"
Thanos: you should have gone for the head
Optimus: ok
Decapitates thanos
If he brings that axe down on him, he’s splitting Thanos straight in half
He said: ‘Peter, if you’re gonna be a hero, be a real hero. Don’t be one of those Hollywood heroes, pretending they’re tough. Just be strong and real. Tell the truth. Be strong enough to be gentle.’
-Peter Cullen, talking about his brother
Yeah they threw that out the fucking window.
@@heftyordinanceindividual4015 TBF the first and third movie kinda managed to stick to it somewhat......
At least that's how I felt.....
* -larry cullen
Yep! Such great wisdom and an incredible legacy! That's what makes optimus my most favorite character ever! Such a great being and father figure! ❤ :')
Peter Cullen tried to speak out about lines that he knew Optimus would never say and he got steamrolled. Age of Extinction and the Last Knight mistreated Prime horribly, however my breaking point was in Dark of the Moon when they turned Sentinel Prime into a bad guy. Sentinel fucking Prime as a fucking villain... it still pisses me off to this day and I'm a fan of the villains more so than heroes and still its wrong. If the guy with Decepticon and Predicon crests tattooed on him thinks something is wrong that's a sign...
Prime everywhere else: "do not kill unless necessary"
Bayprime: "GIVE ME YOUR FACE"
and those are actual quotes
Don’t you know... graphic violence is acceptable when it happens to giant robots.
I definitely have to say he is a very wise leader, he went for the head... every time.
A much wiser leader than Thor
@@MLiskindagay
*Angry Thor noises*
*Happy Thanos noises*
Got to make them count.
I’m sure if Prime was in Infinity War, Iron Man and Black Widow would be fine.
Actually no in universe that’s an awful target
The head doesn’t house the killing blow the chest does
Quick chest kills are the decepticons MO while the autobots have instead decided to mutilate faces and tear them limb from limb
These films all started blending together in my head towards the end, so I can't remember which film it was, but I think the hardest I've laughed in a (thankfully empty) cinema was when Optimus creeps up and brutally stabs another robot in the back and then says "FOR HONOUR!"
At the end of the 4th one
@@86Fallowcp Ah, the first one with Marky Mark, so that'd be the one with the statutory-rape-get-out-clause card scene. Which is certainly a thing I just typed.
I had one od the best viewing experiences I've ever had in a cinema with that movie.
Went with a group and we just burst out laughing scene after scene, making fun of just how STUPID Marky Mark and the Dinobot bunch really was.
Alternatively the point where Optimus tells grimlock about the choice of freedom
You know either side with me of die
The idea of Bayverse Optimus being this ruthless psychopath is actually pretty neat (AKA Shattered Glass Optimus and/or Nemesis Prime)
Or he’s just sick and tired of fighting decepticons after millennia.
Your profile picture just gave me 10 layers of nostalgia
If I was trapped in a Michael Bay movie I would probably be a bit murderous.
I just realized that Optimus ripping head and spine is an homage to Predator, one of Peter Cullen’s voice roles.
So freaking cool that he did the original Predator voice.
The worst way to do an homage to be honest lmao
Best quote? "Well that's just Prime."
*"GIVE ME YOUR FACE"*
Yesss.
"YOU DIE!!! YAHHH"
Optimus Primal is not Optimus Prime especially not inferior Bayformers Optimus Prime
"Lay it on me man"
My favorite fact about transformers it's that, due to the death of a multiversal being whose name escapes me, every single animation error is canon.
Yeah, it was Unicron. Specifically that black hole created by his death in Transformers: Cybertron
not every single one
for example the harmony that the factions are fighting over in carnage in c-minor is another source
Actually the canon that unicron and primus are multiversal entities was retconed by hasbro a while ago
Expert driver is the equivalent of saying I'm an "expert walker"
So, we're getting a new Transformers movie, Rise of the Beasts. It's going to include the Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons. It's also set in the 1990s, and it's a direct Sequel to Bumblebee. Ron Perlman is going to voice Optimus Primal!
The one downside is, nobody's really sure if it connects to the bayformers universe. I hope to God it doesn't. Just let us have this new series.
Why Ron Perlman, and not Peter Cullen?
@@samotoole7712 Because Peter Cullen is playing Optimus Prime. Yes both are going to be in the movie.
Ron Perlman as Optimus primal would kick ass
I don't think it connects to the Bayformers movies.
Thanks to Last Knight we know that Bumblebee was on earth prior to WW2.
In the Bumblebee movie, Bee only shows up during the 80s, meaning that the movie *can't* and *shouldn't* be connected to the Bay movies.
@@exiegelastweekgamer1571 I agree, it wouldn't make sense, but I just want it to be official.
Man yall would LOVE the sense of humor on the TFwiki. Those people are sarcastic, witty, and unyieldingly savage
For anyone who also hates the Bay Formers movies and gave up after the first few. Do yourself a favour and watch Bumblebee. It's legit actually a good movie with a killer soundtrack.
There's a reason folks sometimes refer to Bayverse Optimus as Murder Prime.
I was actually amazed at the transformation CGI of the very first movie.
It still is incredible, if you go back and watch it the CGI has not aged a day despite being from 2007
Yeah they look great fir what they were going for
It’s too bad the designs themselves weren’t great
Like the decepticons look like metal globes and the autobots only defining features are really the colours and Heights
Now I don’t like my transformers with backpacks or feet panels but these designs don’t look transformable without black magic especially at standard toy scale
Yes I do acknowledge unique toys and there wizardry (like they gave movie galvatron an accurate completely kibble free transformation) but the designs have to sort of make sense as transformable from a glance and having stuff like waste wheels (I understand removing them gif the cartoon but I kind of would have liked that especially with how they look on the lego set) or else it isn’t believably
I actually like Bayformers but then again I'm a simple person who just wants to see explosions and giant fighting robots
I agree.
Thank you for saying it. Sometime dialog does make it boring. But what is boring about a warthog blasting away a skorpinok? Absolutely nothing.
Definitely agree
It's the same appeal as Godzilla movies, though the isms do kinda ruin it.
If you are not a fan of the original series then it's a fine action movie. If you are a fan than it's a disgrace
It reminds me of the Dragonball dub, where Gokus dad is a "brilliant scientist"
Honestly, the first film was alright(ish), they just drove it into the ground with all the sequels
Optimus is the clear highlight of them all
I knew what was happening in the first one.
It was so stupid at times it's hard not to think it's satirical when your watching it as a kid
If Optimus Prime was in Avengers: Infinity War, we wouldn't have had an Endgame
I really really really don’t like the bay movies for a multitude of reasons, including psychopath face ripper Optimus prime.
But.
Rotfs forest fight has one of the most Optimus Prime lines ever uttered by the truck man himself.
“Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?”
“You’ll never stop at one…I’LL TAKE YOU ALL ON!”
Optimus prime is such a nice dude so caring and compassionate.wait why the fuck do I hear boss music
War for Cybertron, Fall of Cyebrtron, Transformers Prime and G1 Transformers probably have the best incarnations of Optimus and the rest of the transformers as a whole (maybe even transformers animated, would need to rewatch the show to confirm for myself)
Transformers is the best Toy Commercial ever
The stereotype twins from the second one were lobotomised in a tie-in comic, that was the only way they could justify how stupid they were in the movies
War For Cybertron and Fall Of Cybertron… top tier transformer games
R.I.P Metroplex
@@Calais-dn5bl oh my god that was way sadder than it needed to be, but I replayed the final mission so many times just playing as all the different characters was so good, i miss that game
Something I never see anyone talk about with the Bayformer movies is that when the robots are all in their vehicle forms, they're all slick and clean and show no wear or damage of any kind. Then, when they transform into their robot forms, they suddenly have nicks and dings and scratches and broken glass and wear marks and all kinds of other shit. AND THEN, when they transform back into vehicles they're completely unmarred again. There's a few scenes throughout those movies where you can see the damage manifest during the transformation sequences and it's always annoyed me.
I know Rise of the Beasts isn’t part of the Bayverse, but Optimus ripping Scourge’s head off like he’s in Mortal Kombat syncs up perfectly with Bay’s Optimus Prime.
Like my father said when i asked what he think of optimus as a neighbor : "He won't be my neighbor he would be the president"
Well going for the head is the OPTIMal and PRIME target in combat 🤷♂️
🤦
Optimus dark side. Makes me pretty sure he runs his crew in fear tactics as much as comradeship. While Megatron is just more open about it.
i love how this wiki page started as "optimus prime is a real cool nice guy who cares about people :)" and then eventually just transitioned into RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEAR RIP AND TEAR
I think the show Transformers Prime really nailed Optimus Prime's character. In one episode they have a celebration party after winning a battle and the government guy tries to get optimus involved and he just looks at him, then walks away. Perfect.
Too bad RID decided to make him a weak and idiotic war vet who had his time
Bayformer Optimus
Hit in the gut: Nah
Hit in the face: GIVE ME YOUR FACE!
Wise and compassionate leader.
Why yes
Wise for head shots to guarantee to kill of your enemy.
Compassionate for not letting your enemies suffer too long of a death
XD
I saw the 1986 movie in the theatre when I was 8 years old, holy shit was that traumatic watching all my favourite characters get murdered
Thought the title said “Optimus Prime loves HEAD”
"prepare to be lost in space autobots"
(inserts sick awesome divebomb guitar drop)
I feel like G1 Prime is Superman and Bayformers Prime is just and angry Call of Duty kid.
Optimus was my generations John Wayne, noble, fearless, selfless, and larger than life. Then bay completely ruined his character.
His whole thing was be strong enough to be kind but Micheal bay said screw that and make him insane
The thing with the Bayformers is... I can't imagine anyone else really doing it justice and taking it as seriously as he does. Michael Bay is the king of big shit blowing up and he has a legitimate love for the transformers where he actually makes giant robots fighting while a city explodes around them soothing.
that was something missing in bumblebee, i wished the bumblebee movie had the same energy as the bayverse and music as well.
Thé robots fighting is thé least important part of it as a fan he should’ve kept the characterisations and focused on the cybertronians but alas he wanted action and women
speaking of aiming for the head, he does a 360 spin around with his sword, decapitating six decepticons at once in one of the movies, and almost killed all the autobots, but they have plot amour, and they need to sell more toys
You gotta gotta cover kazuya for a wiki weekend soon lol
Fun fact: iirc, Mudflap and Skids were the reason ROTF got an award in the Emmys(?). They got some award that has to do with “having diverse characters.”
Wait, really? That's a really low standard...
@@abdrahmanhakim5252 I mean, in 2009, no other movie had characters like them.
My theory is that Prime is suffering from war fatigue. In the first movie hes mostly like his cartoon counterpart (he only kills one decepticon, and is willing to sacrifice himself). But the thing that pushes him over the edge is dying in the 2nd movie and coming back. Literally the first thing he does when he gets back is kill Jetfire and use him as a jetpack, and then execute The Fallen.
Jetfire killed himself.
The actual best quote from Optimus Prime is “one shall stand, one shall fall.” Fight me carl
I love it when Optimus executes Spock.
One thing I like from the movies is the Decepticons inconspicuous reunions at the top of skyscrapers
"Give me your face!"
-Bay!verse Optimus Prime, The Ansem Retort
He follows the Thanos mentality of go for the head
I've had the fortune of not watching any Bay Transformers movies past Revenge of the Fallen.
15 year old loved the first one... But even 15 year old me was hit with a physical sensation of disgust and disappointment after watching the second one.
The third one is worth a watch but yeah don't watch the rest
"the movies are dead" transformers rise of the beast: "am I a joke to you?"
YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH
YOU'VE GOT THE POWER
For a while, I've been imagining what it would be like if Hasbro had their own theme park:
- I could picture a Transformers rollercoaster where the trains are themed after specific characters' vehicle modes, and the queue has videos where Optimus Prime talks to you or something.
- Walkaround My Little Pony characters, played by two people each in a pantomime horse costume.
I could see astrotrain being cool fur the visuals alone
Although they would probably need to reach into the Japan exclusives there since they had the trainbots a team of combiners who act as Japan’s protectors and high speed transport service
I'm a simple man, giant robots with mythology punching each other is my shit.
U was in Uraq at the time the first Bayformers movie came out and they played it for us. The whole theater went into an uproar when Optimus' sword came out.
A friend and I actually binged these movies and agreed they are bad when I comes to being a transformers film and many of the things people hate about them but we love the ideas and fights that did come the films and it made us wish they were made with better love and care. Also crazy how much these movies introduce so many current lore info like the primes, the all spark and unicron being the earth
i stg as you read "this truck has a personality" a fucking mack truck drove by on the street
Optimus likes to go for the head, unlike Batman apparently.
3:20 That movie would have been better if they stuck with already established Transformers lore.
There's already an artifact that can create Cybermatter (or whatever they call it) in The Key to Vector Sigma.
Instead of some bullshit asspull involving the Quintessons, they could have went with the simpler plot "The Dynobots left Cybertron with the Key to protect it from Shockwave. Shockwave catches up to them, spaceship combat ensues, and they both crash on prehistoric Earth and go into stasis lock for millions of years."
Then instead of that weak pansyass CEO of KSI, they could have had G.B. Blackrock from the G1 comics. Then again when I think of Blackrock, I picture Robert Downy Jr's portrayal of Tony Stark and that wouldn't be possible.
They should then have made Shockwave the Big Bad like they hinted he was supposed to be, or have Shockwave use the Key to revive Megatron as Galvatron just like they used the Matrix to revive Prime in RotF.
It would have been stupid, but it would have been the kind of stupid that makes sense and would have hit everyone's nostalgia buttons.
The best bayverse optimus quote
"Give me your face" while killing the fallen
" didnt betray me you betrayed your self" whilst exicting his defenceless mentor in cold blood
"You protect earth or die" to his pet grimlock
"Not today"kills a potential prisoner
Once a wise and pro peace robot say: "GIVE ME YOUR FACE AAAAAAARRRRGH *rips his brother face in half*"
Literally watched you guys videos for 8hrs at work 😂😂 dying laughing
I like how they picked the 2007 legends figures to represent the toy line
Our honorable and extremely moral leader, Optimus Prime the Face Ripper...
One thing I love about the Transformers wiki is that it doesn’t take itself too seriously and all the captions for the pictures on it are written humorously and the trivia is often written tongue in cheek.
You joke about the pathos put into the death of a toy in the 80s film, but keep in mind said death traumatised so many kids that Hasbro had to quickly rewrite the death of a character in the GI Joe movie into the character getting put into a coma instead of dying because they were scared they’d traumatise the kids all over again when they saw that film.
Given all the questionable actions Bayformer Optimus does in those films, I can only assume Peter Cullen was contractually obliged to keep appearing in them given that when the guys behind Robot Chicken asked him if he’d reprise the part of Optimus for a skit he turned them down because of how much respect he has for the character.
Overall, I think Bayformers falls far short of the original cartoon; I have zero interest in 80s hair metal music but I think The Touch is one of the best pieces of music in all Transformers. Especially when it’s combined with Optimus’ rampage through the Decepticon army on his way to Megatron (side note, what makes it even more epic is iirc every single Deceptacon you see Optimus take out in that scene is on the Decepticon casualty list for that battle and I think makes up something like 50-75% of said list).
You really should do more Transformer stuff, but focus on all the really dumb shit from the 80s like how Optimus’ brain fits on a single floppy disc. 😜
Or why hasbro though dark awakening was a good idea especially with that original ending
there's a major addition to the face count missing. in the 5th one, he cuts off all 5 of the infernicon's heads at once
Also glad to see I'm not the only one who really doesn't like these movies despite loving transformers
Being of a certain age, i was always of the understanding that the cartoon series was developed in the 80's to sell the toys. Love your stuff keep up the good work
Alright let’s give a quick history
A company by the name of takara toys created a line of transforming mechs with hunan controllers under the name diaclone but it wasn’t particularly popular, hasbro decided to import these toys and add in another takara toy line called micro changers with the cars put together as the good guy autobots under the big truck’s command and the planes and objects turned into the decepticons with a grey coloured walther P38 made as the leader (since children would have less experience with planes and guns are bad so the gun would be the big bad)
After the Japanese disinterest hasbro contacted marvel comic to give these robots personalities that children would like and associated with, Bob budiansky was given this task and created individual character bios to go with these characters and a comic was created using these characters plus hasbro originals like a new black and purple jet called skywarp
On top of those lines sone other characters from competing Japanese companies were added such as toyco’s “4 changeable Astro magnum” to become shockwave and the macross series’s jetfire
Although there were some design differences based on prototypes and terrible photocopying (megatron originally had a black helmet, soundwave at one point had a mouth {later removed on digital distributions} the combaticons looked nothing like their toys and galvatron used earlier colour schemes rather than the iconic purple)
During the early days of the comic hasbro saw quite a success with the project so commissars marvel with a transformers TV show pilot called “more than meets the eyes” as you can tell this was very popular but even before release hasbro commissioned a full 13 episode series that turned into transformers G1
Although it wasn’t always smooth sailing you remember jetfire well that had some legal issues
You see macross was an anime series produced by bandi and the western rights to the series and characters was bought by harmony gold and they were a tad sue happy mix this with takara not wanting to advertise a rival product meant his design was changed and name changed to skyfire
Now your probably wondering how shockwave got through unscathed if takara didn’t want to advertise rivals that’s because in the cartoon at least he was forced to stay on cybertron (outside if the near frequent animation errors) so was shunted to the background despite being so prominent to the comics be over through megatron about 6 issues in since the writers had difficulty making a gun alt mode work without a universal flying rule or mass shifting
Well anyway one last piece of interesting trivia about the cartoon is that it caused a very long running debate over the naming schemes for consettecons being the colourschemes of rumble and frenzy due to a misunderstanding in the notes
In the comics and toys frenzy is blue and rumble is red but someone on the staff must have misinterpreted a note and swapped the names and since the cartoon was really popular it spawned the infamous firrib vs fibrir (I’m sure you can get the acronym based on the context)
I have a lot more random bullshit I can tell you if you want but this is probably long enough
These movies excited me as a kid/teenager. Now as an adult... I mean, I could probably rewatch the first movie and enjoy myself, but it'd probably be a mix of nostalgia and "well it's not as bad as the later movies".
GIVE ME YOUR FACE. Is probably my favourite bayformers quote.
Gonna be honest, this is my favourite Optimus. There's something really cool about this dude that the others can't compare, besides his design in the first 3.
Even though I grew up watching the Bayformers, I got to say this was a great wiki weekend video. Thanks guys!
I’ll be 100% honest. These guys are the reason I played Devistation. Best decision ever.
thanos : i am inevitable
optimus prime: i am optimus prime
*goes for the head*
optimus prime : i rise you fall
I love this channel hope it goes on forever
I drink and smoke with my best friends and we cheer when autobots win every time🤣🤣🤣 might not be amazing, but holy fuck is it ever entertaining. I prefer Shia, but Marky mark ain't horrible. RIP my boy Jazz gone too soon
Expecting a cinematic masterpiece from giant robots that turn into cars is crazy to me
Optimus Prime: Always goes for the head
Thor: *👁 👄 👁 I told you you’d die for that*
My favorite movie Optimus quote is “Give me your face!”
he's wise enough to always go for the head...but have you covered Transformers: Beastwars?
Not even joking, Optimus was a camping stove before a truck. My father owns an 'Optimus Primus' same color scheme and all!
"Now stop asking about this series! We're done! We're done!"
Narrator: They were, in fact, not done.
They should make a transformers movie based on the comics marvel made (yes marvel made transformers comics)
I need an animation where Optimus takes the entire Decepticon army because he totally could. Didn't he punch Megatron into the moon in one episode?
Actually, if I remember, Optimus (previously named Orion Pax) was either a clerk or scholar working in Macon, not a scientist.
You should try and open a beer with a usb
I think they addressed how easily Optimus could defeat Megatron. If both were on equal ground in one of the animated series. With Optimus throttling Megatron and then beating the ever-living crap out of him. Until Megatron submitting to defeat.
Im surprised the wiki doesn't mention the few lines Optimus has as a hologram in the Bumblebee movie
The Avengers should have sent Optimus Prime to kill Thanos in Infinity War
just so you know, this was fun, and you're awesome
‘Megantron, be gone’ is a good quote
Megatron’s jet form in the first movie is my favourite
Peter Cullen was also the voice of Venger from Dungeons & Dragons cartoon series. Frank Welker is more versatile as far as voice acting goes.
That forest battle is the best part of the bayformers movies
Of course Transformers Devastation will be talked about. Anytime Transformers is mentioned, Devastation is talked about!
i love how the tattoos get green screened"