How One of the Most Tortured Kubrick Actors Lost his Starring Role | Full Metal Jacket
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The actor Kubrick first hired to play Gunnery Sergeant Hartman was Tim Colceri. Over the course of production, R. Lee Ermey, who was originally hired on as the technical advisor, found a way to ‘audition’ for the role despite it already being cast. Colceri would end up playing the door gunner who shoots at random civilians from the helicopter in the film, but the story of Colceri losing the role would certainly classify him as one of the most tortured Kubrick actors.
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This video essay was written, edited, and narrated by Tyler Knudsen.
Sources:
Cinephilia & Beyond - Run Through the Jungian: Stanley Kubrick’s ‘Full Metal Jacket’, a Phenomenological Treatise on War - bit.ly/3fconoP
[Gratwick] Full Metal Jacket Actor Tim Colceri Explains How He Was Originally Cast As The Drill Sergeant - Gratwick Productions - bit.ly/2YnyEZz
[Couch] "He Had Death on His Face": Kubrick, 'Full Metal Jacket' and an Actor's Heartbreak by Aaron Couch. Published in THR September 20, 2019. - bit.ly/34hHsnM
Filmworker (2017 dir. Tony Zierra)
[Get Some] The "GET SOME" Tour, featuring Tim Colceri of "Full Metal Jacket" - bit.ly/34oiOSC
Pinewood Dialogue with Matthew Modine - bit.ly/31noWIV
[Gelmis] An Interview with Stanley Kubrick (1969) by Joseph Gelmis - bit.ly/3l3dTwh
[Commentary] Full Metal Jacket - Blu-ray
[Wygant] R Lee Ermey for "Full Metal Jacket" 1987 - Bobbie Wygant Archive - bit.ly/2E5QGJd
[FMJ Diary] Full Metal Jacket Diary by Matthew Modine - bit.ly/39iIeBg
Movies:
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
The Shining (1980)
A Clockwork Orange (1971)
Evilution (2008)
The Boys in Company C (1978)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Apollo 13 (1995)
Leprechaun 4: In Space (1996)
The Band Wagon (1953)
Aliens (1986)
Slaughter of the Innocents (1993)
Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
Filmworker (2017)
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He got all the money he was promised at least. The Door Gunnery scene is iconic. Good job Colceri.
Kubrik did the right choice
and rent paid :3
"Door Gunnery"
GET SOME! 😲
For some reason I was under the impression that the door gunner was Lee Ving of Fear fame....huh.
Anyone who knows this movie will always remember the "Get some" scene. Tim made history with that scene
It wouldn't have been the same without his laughter after the 'Ain't war hell' line. Glad Kubrick backed down on his decision to lose the laughter.
The American way baby.
i dunno if he "made history" bro,its a good scene
@@Gos1234567 You got me comment police
Other than the Hartman scenes, that was best scene in the film
Both roles ended up in the right hands in the end. Legendary.
@mug wump nah, you're to soft! Period! Don't argue! You just thought you were being edgy! The best actor won!🤷🏿♂️✌🏿
Legendary role! Excellent.
I mean you have a Vietnam Vet and a Vietnam DI, of course it was going to fit.
This is America (shooting women & children from helicopters). Satanists are the US military.
@mug wump right because Kubrick hasn't seen both performances and is a big dummy. Ermey IS Hartman.
Everyone is a class act in this production. Amazing story. It's great Kubrick at least had the integrity to list Colceri in a starring role despite screwing him out of so many lines; Kubrick recognized the dedication and professionalism of Colceri. Meanwhile, Ermey hustled his way to a role he was born for, and just made the movie what it was. Colceri, delivered an unhinged, haggard performance, perfect for the role: maybe indeed it was from the experience of being left in the lurch for 2 years of production.
Did kubrick recognize it, though? It took months of not working because Colceri kept the haircut, then the scene was scrapped, and finally getting a lawyer involved to get to do the scene. I feel like kubrick did the scene just to keep out of the courts, and it happened to end up great.
That was a contractual obligation
Plus Ermey earned the role through his actual service to his country. It was the right move.
Wasn't intentional Kubrick probably would have dropped his name if it was brought to his attention
That maybe true, but we don't know and never will what it would look like if Calceri were allowed the same concessions as Ermey had.
R Lee Ermey made history with his performance, I'm sorry Tim Colceri was put through the ringer but I think his door gunner lines are still very memorable.
Yes but neverthless, it must have been quite infuriating for Tim Colceri when you think about it. He played the game according to Stanley Kubrick's rules only to lose to R Lee Ermey that didn't have to respect any rules. I guess this happens more often than not in the movie business.
What's his one main line? You just don't lead 'em so much? Been trying to figure out forever...
@@dimebagdave77 "Get some!" would be the line I hear quoted most often. Leading is where you shoot ahead of a target in anticipation of its movement, so I guess his comment was about how to aim.
@@robertsyrett1992 I get it now! Thanks very much brother 👍
I'd compare the door gunner in FMJ to Duval's character in Apocalypse Now: a tiny role that is probably one of the most iconic in the film. Hartman's memorable as hell, but he's also very generic (in large part to how influencial Ermey's performance was, but also because he was portraying the role accurately). But anyone who runs is a VC? I would not be surprised if that was one of the most quoted lines from that film.
Feel bad for the guy, but Ermey was legendary in that role.
Yikes...
He still did great with Git Sum....that was a powerful part of the movie.
@pc the 127 takes is a myth. The actual takes were somewhat around 30-35. Though I get that by end 35 might as well feel like 127.
I saw the movie at 16, and the door gunner role was the part that always stuck with me. Colceri nailed it. Ermery also nailed it.
@David Wilson It is an act. It is an act that drill instructors learn at DI school. They're taught to challenge every mental weakness you display, they are taught to prod and search for every insecurity that could make a man hesitate and cost another their life. When I went to Parris Island in 96 you could start to see the point of the harassments after about 6 weeks. They tear you down for weeks on end. You're taught how to do everything including how to take a piss in the MARINE CORPS way. They condition your mind, your reflexes, your thought patterns. Then after rifle range and during the hell week they start to build you back up into hard charger made of twisted steel and sex appeal. OOh Rah! To bad the corps is just a shell of itself, I wouldn't let my children serve in it today.
That role of Drill-Sargent instructor, was tailor-made for Gunnery Sergeant Ronald Lee Ermey. Without him, Full Metal Jacket would had never become, one of the Best Vietnam Movies of All Times! What a great actor, as well as a human being. R.I.P. Gunnery Sergeant.
THERE ASE NO "DRILL SERGANTS" IN THE MARINE CORPS! GET IT RIGHT NUMB NUTS!
And R. Lee Ermey was never a Gunnery Sergeant in the USMC; he was a Drill Instructor, yes, but held the rank of Corporal. The Corps made him an honorary Gunnery Sergeant much much later, during his career as an actor.
Apocalypse now is way better
The helicopter gunner actually made me lose sleep when I saw the movie. I asked my Dad, a retired CE9 and Vietnam Vet if they really did things like that. My Dad rented the VHS tape, watched it, then told me "YES, but way worse." That character is haunting! They made the right choice.
You dad probably was an admin clerk pushing paper. Shame on you for pushing such a lie about American soldiers. Anyone who just opened fire on people working in the fields would have been sent to prison.
I don't remember anyone shooting rice paddy workers for sport. If anyone did, and others knew about it, there would be a court-martial. People today seem to think that the Marines and GI's were given weapons and turned loose to make up their own rules... just one big My Lai. Several thousand in-country court-martials were held ranging from weed possession to murder.
Lmao you lost sleep over a movie smh
@@garrettgallagher8551 yes...yes I did. Killing Fields also 😶
pLäy FöllävD ^4+^
As a retired soldier myself, what Lee Ermey did was he flanked the competition.....
He improvised, he adapted, and he overcame.
@@briannaamore1383 From Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge USMC!
@@vannjunkin8041 Colceri is also American.. So I guess that’s what Americans do as well; fucking lose.
lol!
@@coiledsteel8344 which is incorrect, it should be "Adapt, Improvise, Overcome"
"If god wanted colceri for that role he would've miracled his ass up there"
Best comment! And that ain’t no shit neither! LOL!!
@@Paul-ud7pt It's a good comment but not the best. Read the one above about the guy who is related to the actor. It's pretty darn cool
TRUE !!!
You won. 😂 😂
Haha lol
I'm an old veteran who went to see the movie at a theater when it came out. The boot camp scenes caused me to break into a cold sweat as my mind and body remembered. I understand perfectly why Kubrick switched actors... one was acting and the other was being himself.
As was said. One was giving 100% the other was reading lines, saving his voice when it didn’t matter. Plus one had to read exactly what was written. The other could adapt to what worked.
"How could you shoot women and children?"
"Easy! You just don't lead'em as much! Heha! Ain't war hell?"
Kubrick didn't even have the decency to give him the reach around.
Kubrick treated many people worse than shit. Shelly Duvall for instance.
@@doctorthirteen5727 That piece of film with Shelly overstating how much hair she lost, to me, reveals a lot about her underlying condition that was to manifest after her retirement.
@@doctorthirteen5727 nah he's tough but don't make him a monster.
Doctor Thirteen not really, she was always questioning Kubrick instead of doing her fucking job that’s why Kubrick behaved like that with her
Awe shiiiit
Kubrick originally didn’t want to keep in Tim’s laughing, but after reviewing the scene he chose to. And honestly Tim’s scene is probably as iconic as a Ernie’s performance. From the “get some” to the “If they run they’re a VC, if they stand still they’re a well disciplined VC” it truly a dark and extremely brutal take, that very few could pull off.
It was interesting to read that Stanley wrote those lines on the fly in just a little while. He came up with it like nothing. Which is surprising considering how many takes he would do in his scenes.
How can you shoot women and children…easy. Just lead them a little
As iconic as ermys performance!? Not even close dude. Sure he did well with what stuff he was given and it was entertaining but it hasn't got even the slightest amount of impact and legendary status that lee ermys performance did. It's litrally one of the greatest ever that's been put into film. Litrally no one could have done it better. No one. Where as tims performance was great, but it could have been performed my many actors
@@mick2spic No, they're in the book 'Dispatches'.
I feel for him, seems like such a genuine guy too. Very passionate about his work. Either way his scene ended up being a classic. Whenever I talk about Full metal jacket I talk about Lee ermy and the door gunner scene
His scene is one of the most memorable imo. True madness of war.
not to diss colceri but i think Kubrik got it right with picking Ermey, he certainly brought some special sauce to that role..
Ermey made the movie imo.
ERMEY was made for that part.
@@wordwarrior2350 Well, what makes you think that we care about your opinion?
Smithsnmoz well he was an actual drill instructor
@@CJ-qz6ec .. Absolutely! Theres no way this movie would've been as great without him.
Well at least Kubrick gave him a role similar to Duvall’s “smell of napalm in the morning” culturally significant in US history. Hats off to Colceri.
But a 40 year old door gunner 😆
@@screens1979 the average age of US sodiers in Nam was NINETEEN
@@jonathanducoutumany2538 N-n-n-nineteen. Nineteen. N-n-n-nineteen. Nineteen.
@@briannaamore1383 Sagion, Vietnam 🎼🎶🎵😂
@@ZuluLifesaBeech- Finally someone gets it.
That’s a good story of 2 former Marines doing what Marines do i.e. improvise adapt overcome. That line in the door gunner scene “get some” is still used my Marines everywhere. Semper Fi.
Not just Marines, but any combat mos In the military
The "Get some" scene, while firing a machine gun on civilians in a rice field totally encapsulates the realism of war in the 2nd part of FMJ. Jaded, battle-hardened GI's don't have the time (and the conscience) to sort out friend from foe, in a war where you cannot distinguish actual civilians from the enemy. "Aint' war hell?" Yup. Colceri nailed it.
Tim Colceri is my uncle and my family and I have always heard the stories about him in the marines and about his time on full metal jacket and man you nailed everything we couldn’t be happier with what you did on this video thank you from Tim and the rest of us you did an amazing job
Most of the that epic film was unforgettable, especially your uncles scene part. Great film..
good to hear you are related he was a great choice for door gunner he was awesome in the role i see that he was affected greatly by this and toured around acting like a fool have you ever heard of a period
"clever", @@billydeewilliams9104
He did great, and it's good that he has gotten plenty of gigs since, most likely on the strength of his few memorable lines as the door gunner.
He was easily the second most memorable character, behind only (of course) R. Lee. Ermey.
People need to upvote this comment
If I lost my role to R L Ermey, I wouldn't even be mad.
Yeah, but Ermey wasn't quite a legend yet at that time.
Dude wasn’t even mad at Ermey, but at Kubrick for sending a fucking letter instead of going himself.
Amen
Yep, loosing a DI role to R Lee Emery is like loosing a game of hoops to Michael Jordan. Emery was the Michael Jorden of Drill Instructors. Colceri has nothing to be ashamed of.
Easier said than....
I know he didn’t get the role he wanted but he created a very unique scene and dialogue - “get some”and “just don’t lead them as far”- activates a weird blood lust while also making you sick to the stomach at the same time
I get a kick out of Rafterman getting ready to lose his lunch as the door gunner casually mows down civilians while joking about it!
I was a 4341 (same MOS as Pvt. Joker) and worked in media relations at Camp Pendleton when I wasn't deployed. Back in 2007 I was assigned to escort R. Lee Ermey and his film crew for his show (Mail Call), think it was four days. Ermey treated me to lunch every day when we were in Mainside, and it was fascinating to be able to sit down with him and pick his brain.
Far and away my favorite memory: he was a surprisingly gentle man and soft spoken, highly intelligent. It was a trip seeing the real side of him as opposed to the Gunny Ermey he was known for.
A number of my NCO's/CWO's were prior DI's in another life. The stories they would tell provided endless entertainment and banter while in the field or deployed.
Funny you mention Mail Call, I was a little kid waking up bright and early on I think it was Sunday mornings to watch. Usually came on right after all the info-mercials stopped playing at around 0600 on the military channel. I'll never forget that. I miss Gunny.
Are you male or female?
That is awesome, fortunate on you to have gotten the opportunity to visit with him on such a one on one level.
@@joinjen3854 I’m a dude.
Colceri's absolutely right, given everything he went through, Kubrick should have at least told him in person
Kubrick was a capital ahole. Not really a surprise he did not apologize properly.
Or a text at least. That way Stanley can send Colceri a "I'm sorry😔bro"
Maybe Ermy could’ve sent some kind of a condolence message to Colceri. I wonder if the two of them ever discussed it in later years.
A Chaps I would imagine so. Colceri spoke at Lee’s funeral so the two were friends.
@@CaptainMyCaptain33 I presume he didn't want to meet in person because he would inevitably be pressured into offering Colceri a chance to reshoot his lines and ad lib, which would just make the situation more awkward if he's already made up his mind.
It's a bit different from Stolz and Keitel (in A.N.) being replaced because they were actually in the shoot. It seems more like he was rehearsing exactly as requested, kept separate from the rest of the cast, but still got dropped. I agree there wasn't anyone really at fault.
As for the agoraphobia, I think Kubrick intentionally worked as he did so that he could spend as much time with his family as possible and avoid interference from studios and media. To me it just makes sense to have everything all in one place, and of course he didn't like flying, which isn't that unreasonable.
It's my understanding that he enjoyed the grounds around his home, and since he had his family and his work there, there really was no need to go anywhere else all that often.
That isn't to say that he didn't like privacy, and may or may not have suffered with anxiety. Essentially, I think the rumors are exaggerated because the media love to pigeon hole people.
I can't think of anyone better than Ermey to play Hartman, or anyone better than Colceri to play the door-gunner.
Everything worked out in the end.
Timothee chalamet
My dad did two tours in Vietnam in the Army and this is one of his favorite movies of all time. He laughs through all the boot camp scenes. Says that what they depict is the closest any movie has come to what he went through (again, in the Army!), during that time.
I've read that the greatest directors can often be hell to work with and this seems to be the case here as well. But, the end result speaks for itself. Thanks to all who were involved in this awesome movie. And thank you, ALL who serve!
This was a great marine corps movie while gomer pyle is a slap to a great fighting force. I can't believe they did it. He should have been on a army base (no offence) as a national guard reserve recruit. Sgt Carter is no marine gunny more like a army sgt instead according to past tv shows. And Jar head was a great update on marine service too.
I knew that Lee Ermy had won the role because of his experience as a Drill Instructor. I didn't know the complete story and now that I do, it puts it all in perspective. I had always wondered who played that door gunner. And to find out that Mr. Colceri spoke at Lee Ermy's funeral really makes this a grand story. Thanks for making the video. And as a former Marine Corps Drill Instructor, I always thought that no one but a former Drill Instructor could have made that part believable.
R Lee Ermey should have won an Oscar.
I dunno..Sean Connery won best supporting actor that year and he was pretty damn good...
Back in the day as a teenager it was imposing but today I find it a bit over the top. Sure, he pulled it off well.
Amen...best drill sgt in film history
Follow by Louis Gosset Jr. in
"An Officer & A Gentleman"
@@nathanielthomas2502 In my opinion, I'd say Ermey's performance as DI Hartman FOLLOWS his best performance as DI Loyce, in The Boys in Company C. Louis Gosset Jr.'s DI came off a bit to acted and affected to me. All of this is just one person's opinion, of course.
@@wyup" over the top?" Well as a Marine, his role was spot on
Kubrick made the right decision all the way. Every character was exclusive. I'd like to hear about Animal mother's role.
Animal Mother got the role with one word. And that word was "Poontang"
R Lee Emery's performance is pure Legend. But I will admit that I have used Colceri's quote "you know why? because I'm so F-ing good" many times; That is Legacy! Hats off to both those guys, they killed it in Full Metal Jacket.
A door gunner in Vietnam had a very short life span, Colceri played the part so well. Portraying a Marine doing a suicidal job yet being a calm, callous and maniacal killer with a blank check to kill. He did a fantastic job.
Tim's role as the door gunner has always stuck with me just as strong Lee's role
I always wondered why we didn't see more of him 🤣
"How can you shoot women and children?
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"Easy, you don’t lead em as much"
FMJ has to be one of the most quotable movies ever made. I feel pretty bad for Colceri but at least he got a really awesome part as the gunner in the movie.
How many times have you heard someone say "GET SOME!" when playing games with friends? Colceri was immortalized.
AINT WAR HELL!!! ☠️
That line was actually got from a Huey door gunner. It's quoted in the book "Vietnam Inc." by by Philip Jones Griffiths. I think the book was published in 1970 or '71.
@@MegaGman61 Yes, and they changed the meaning of it. Here they used it to make the gunner look crazy. On the original, the guy was being sarcastic to a smart-ass reporter that asked how he could shoot women and children just to shock the gunner into an enraged denial or something. Dude comes back cool as a cucumber with his line about not leading them as much. Whole different meaning, and much funnier imo.
My favorite movie quite ever. Probably because I was a door gunner. The other great similar quote (not from this film) is: what do you feel when you shoot someone? The recoil of my rifle. 😂😂😂
Ermy was that role, colceri's door gunner role was memorable though. I still remember "any person that runs is a vc, any person that stands still is a well disciplined vc."
Tim did such a great job, that his limited time on the film turned about to be one of the most memorable. "Get some!" He was awesome! One of my favorite scenes.
Remember yelling "get some" in between bursts gives you an increased accuracy bonus so you dont have to lead them as much
I thought the gunner was kind of likable.
Both a vet and an extremely professional actor. What a badass.
Who are you referring to Colceri and Ermey were both Marine Veterans ?
@@1979bobhd Colceri. Keeping your cool to the extent he did after losing the role of a lifetime like that is EXTREMELY hard.
@ I know but because of militaries shrinking around the world you see and will see fewer and fewer of them with each generation. Also Jimmy Stewart stands out as he's from that dead American tradition of Americans volunteering in time of war and doing their duty if they were below 35, irrespective of social background. That died in Vietnam.
@@dewittbourchier7169 actor s who understudy on stage go through this every day ready to go on but never getting chance to to play the role
@@gerardcollins1767 I know that actors have it rough.
Lee Ermy was a fuckin godsend to the Marine Corps and to cinema itself. What a great man!
And that ain't no sh!t!!!
Damn right!
And the shooting world
You DO understand its not a positive representation, right?
The brutalities heaped upon private pyle, both physical and psychological drive him to murderous suicide.
@@disgruntledpedant2755 pyle wouldve never allowed to stay as long as he did. It's a movie
that door gunner scene was the most memorable from the movie, first time I saw it I was in shock
Ermey was the right man for the role. I was a Marine when this came out and I saw it in Jacksonville, NC. It was a spot on portrayal of a PI Drill Instructor. Perfect performance.
I enjoy learning about actors/actress who were never on epstein's flight logs
Was Tom Hanks on there? I need a list of people
Yes, were you being humorous or is there really a list we can see?
@@noteem5726 there is a partial list
ahh, anti-semitism at its finest.
@@nickk9501
lol, the moment you realize you just called all heebs 👧🧒 diddlers
Colceri took his portrayal of Hartman to 11. But Ermey was there in the rehearsals with a 12.
That guy from Spinal Tap needs to redo his amps then...
The door gunner scene is one of the most disturbing in the film and he really made his mark on it.
Hands down one of my favorite characters of all time. Hardly a day goes by that I don't quote the door gunner.
He did leave us with memorable quotes atleast. My favorite to this day is “cause I’m so fuckin’ good”
The door gunner was the second most entertaining character in that film. The first? Hartman.
For me, second place would have to go Adam Baldwin aka 'Animal Mother', the M60 gunner .... "Ya' talk the Talk, d'ya walk the Walk???"
Animal Mother was just an Edgelord, I'd take both Crazy Earl and Door Gunner above him.
@@filupe01 "My word's gonna be...poontang". 😄
As good as Ermey was in the movie, he wasn't my favorite. I liked Joker the best. He reminds me of myself in high school always doing insane but harmless acts on everyone from classmates to the teachers.
Sheesh. What character in FMJ is NOT?
Each character has a complex deep story.
Man, this video was GREAT. The amazing movie defining manic performance of Tim Colceri is unarguably the result of being tormented. It utterly sucks what happened to him, but like a man, he made it count
A masterpiece!!!! Every role, every scene throughout the whole movie(experience), was so on key to where I never one time didnt feel like I wasnt actual present. Never has a movie made an impact on me. " whose the leader of the team , who's made for you and me"? M-I-C-K-E-Y-M-O-U-S-E
When I was in the Army I held a desk job, but as a soldier you're still required to demonstrate proficiency in certain "basic soldier skills" annually. So one morning, after pulling a fairly hectic overnight shift, we were all trucked out to the rifle range to take care of our annual marksmanship qualification on the M-16. We were told that due to our having just come off shift we'd be bumped to the front of the line on both zeroing our weapons and on the actual qualifications, but this being the Army that didn't really transpire. Instead, it was well into the afternoon before I actually found myself with a properly sighted weapon, on the range and waiting for the targets to begin popping up.
I've always been kind of the "weird" kid, and despite having spent more than 6 years on active duty at that time my fairly warped sense of humor had survived. Combined with my sleep deprived state & frustration at _still_ being out there to qualify, I found myself yelling "GET SOME!" and similar little shouts every time I squeezed off a round at one of those targets, and to my surprise found that I was actually shooting much more accurately than I generally did. Now, the way the range was set up each firing position was fairly secluded, wrapping around a hillside with several meters of bushes between each soldier, so I hadn't really considered the possibility that a range safety (the sergeant tasked with supervising multiple firing lanes to ensure that no unsafe behavior was occurring and with intervening should an injury happen) would be standing right behind me watching until I glanced over my shoulder & saw him gawking at me with the most bizarre look I'd ever seen on an NCO after I'd dropped 6 or 7 targets in a row. Our eyes locked for a few awkward seconds before he said, "nice shooting soldier" and walked on to the next position, shaking his head. That wound up being the only day in my military "career" where I qualified as an expert marksman, the highest possible ranking.
R. Lee Ermey's Drill Instructor Hartman is certainly the most memorable and quotable character from this great motion picture, and Matthew Modine's "Joker" easily the character I most identified with personally, but as a soldier (or, I'd imagine, as a Marine) it's the lines that Tim Colceri spat out in a few seconds of screen time which are most easily channeled when your barrel is pointing downrange. That fact shows what a fine actor he is; all the crap that he went through leading up to that performance proves what an incredible *man* he is.
Leg
If i'm ever in a conversation where I ask somebody how tall they are, my response is always "I didn't know they stack sh!t that high"
I can definitely tell how much you love this movie, it's been a real pleasure going through these FMJ videos. Thanks for your hard work, sir
Back in that day most everyone had a Drill instructor similar to Lee Ermey. I would fear Ermey had he been mine. That bark of his resonates in me when im not even watching the movie. It was the realism in movie that keeps me replaying every few years or so. My sons love the movie.
R Lee was the right man for the role. There can be no questions about that. No disrespect to Tim Colceri.
What about the original helicopter door gunner that also got fired? I feel sorry for him haha
Hahah shit does tend to roll down hill.
@Weghweh Hwewehwhe it was Henry Winkler. But there were scheduling conflicts with shooting Happy Days.
@@duncanb1981 Lmao. I'm dead.
@@duncanb1981 Heyyyyyyy - The Fonze
@scott michaels it was a joke bro.
This was EXCELLENT work my friend.... your research, footage and presentation was on par with the talent of the actors and Kubricks directing. Thank you.
I love R. Lee Ermey. R.I.P. He could play anything. So funny, so serious
I'm always saying " Get some " "Get some" 😂😂😂.
I was 17 yrs when I saw FMJ this in Grand island Nebraska
What would be cool would be to hear from some of the vets who were trained as Marines by the real life drill instructor Ermy from 65'- 67'.
I love that line. "How can you shoot women and children? "
"You just don't lead’em as much!"
i dont get it
@@N0R3M4C guess you need to see the movie.
@@KenAdams426 i’ve seen it twice just dont know what lead means
@@N0R3M4C lead. To show direction. Are you not that bright? But I fixed it and here is the exact quote for ya too.
Private Joker : How can you shoot women or children? Door Gunner : Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?
@@KenAdams426 Nah mate i don’t own guns. After a google apparently leading means to shoot in front of someone or something in order to hit a moving target
When I saw this film for the first time, I believed that Lee Ermey was a former Drill Instructor, because he was so natural in that role, and I believed that he was not going off a script, but speaking from a real perspective as a former Drill Instructor.
"You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece!" Oh yeah, I'm stealing this.
The Door Gunner role was IMHO the best part of the 2nd half of the movie!
Without Emery, that movie would not have become a cult classic.
True, but it's not a cult classic. It's a classic.
Ermey
@Stellvia Hoenheim how tall are you private?
Colceri got the last laugh because that doorgunner scene was one of the most chilling in the film
Colceri’s door gunner part while small, was a major highlight of the movie. His version of GS Hartman was good, but Lee’s was a grand slam (which is expected since he actually did the job for 2 years).
I think they both got the roles that worked best for them.
Like my drama professor would say, "There are no small parts, only small performances"
Door Gunner Colceri, shortest and most memorable bad ass scene that scared us kids back then! RIP R. Lee Ermey.
I didn’t realize that Colceri got his name in the credits like that. A lovely message from Kubrick to him that Kubrick really did regret hurting him. Colceri breaks my heart every time I see him talk about his FMJ experience because it’s a wound that can never quite heal. Partly because Colceri clearly saw Kubrick as the genius he was. And to be let down and seemingly dismissed by said genius was profoundly painful to him. I gotta say that Colceri seems like the sort of guy that would be the best kind of friend to have. Lot of love in him and loyalty as well. To still acknowledge respect to Kubrick the director while also acknowledging his disappointment in Kubrick as a person (in his experience) shows the professional and the man that Mr. Colceri is.
And I’ve always been haunted by his performance as the door gunner. Every line he delivered was memorable. And he scared the hell out of me.
100% the right decision having Ermey as the DI, and 100% the right decision having Colceri as the door gunner. His line 'Get some!' is one of the most memorable lines in the film!
The door gunner is easily my favorite small snippet of the movie.
This film deserves a series just like the Apocalypse Now one, I love your videos man.
Oh man. Imagine the opportunity to provide commentary on Afghanistan and Iraq and the cyclical nature of American warfare through the lens of a modern Vietnam series. God damn that could be excellent.
great rundown of this story, Tyler! Saw FMJ in the theaters way back when but NEVER knew this...thank you!!!
Great video and a lot of good details. Colceri’s door gunner was so memorable. Great use of Colceri’s quotes at the end of your video.
P.S - "Get some" is actually verbalized to consciously control your bursts. "Get some" for a short burst, and "son-of-a-bitch" for a long burst.
seems leg
A bit like my tennis instructor telling me to say ‘strawberries and cream’ when I serve
Not in the Marines, we only fired semi-automatic. No spray and pray for us.
@@mikedevenney7986 ...I mean, we're talking about an M60 door gunner here...
"Die mother fucker die" for a controlled burst
This is great insight into the movie. I've long lost count of how many times I've seen it, and my kids love it too. We quote lines from it all the time. The gunner scene has a couple of the strongest lines in the movie and thank goodness it wasn't cut. I feel bad for Colberi but I can't criticize the decision. I just cannot fathom anybody doing as good or better playing Hartman than Ermey. Ermey and Vincent really shot the movie into the stratosphere.
Cinema Tyler… my guy you deserve soo much cred for making such elaborate comprehensive breakdowns …unparalleled work….keep it coming
I could never imagine anyone else playing the role then Ermey, and it was a honor to meet him in 2007 for the Okinawa Marine corps ball. He lived, he breathed, he slept and ate Marine Corp. Rest in peace my friend!
That still with Colceri and his Smokey Bear off-center of his head. Ermy would have never wore it like that.
And wrong emblem, and couldn't keep strap in place on his cover on his stage show
Tim Colceri's helicopter scene is at the top of my all-time favorite movie scenes list.
As a real door gunner with 598 combat missions in Vietnam, it was good to know that Kubrick wrote the dialogue for the door gunner scene. It was very good entertaining cinema but not at all actuate with my experience in Vietnam. Technically you never "lead" a target, you lag or follow unless you want to miss.
thank you for your'e service
Was the lag to counteract the Huey's forward movement?
@@Selvikus yes yes yes. You are the first person to get it. Before you even pull the trigger, with the round still in the M-60 the bullet it is already going forward at the same speed of the Huey. Yes you are compensating for the forward speed of the helicopter.
So, to ask the obvious. Were such atrocities as shown in scene...real? I don't mean you, personally...but did you know of any crazy stories like that?
@@Shane661 Yes, but it is not what you think and you wouldn't believe me if I told you
Jesus…..that literally broke my heart to see him in pain, till this day, about losing that monumental role……………
Tim got screwed by Kubrick, but I'm glad he stayed on to play the door gunner. After seeing the two of them performing in this video, however, I do think that Lee did the best job. I'm glad his career continued on.
Mr. Colceri, if it's any consolation, your role as the door gunner has always been in my mind the most memorable, and by far my favorite scene of "Full Metal Jacket". Also, by any measure, your lines are unquestionably the most quoted from the film. As well as being among the most quoted lines in movie history!
Wtf are you babbling about...???!!!! Colceri’s lines are FAR from the most quoted lines. Get your $#!t straight.
@@theblake5356 lol.. It's not hard to see what your thumb is stuck up when it's not busy thumbing up your own comments!
@@moto1p1 Well you know who’s fault that is.... 🤷🏻♂️
What a thorough deep dive! I had no idea there was so much more to this topic!
Fascinating. And heartbreaking. Glad Colceri got the star credit and went on to 60 more roles. Ermey was cinematic history though
"Like a coach with two star quarterbacks." Man, tough call to choose between Colceri and Emery, but I'm with Kubrick with this one. I'm sure in his rage, Colceri said some choice words about Emery, but I wonder if he accepted Emery really had that "extra something" that Kubrick mentioned. "Emery _was_ Hartman" says it all.
It all goes back to the age-old argument that people say they couldn't see anyone else in that part or couldn't see such and such actor in that part even if they were the star early in filming and got replaced.... But ultimately, whoever ends up getting cast is the one who people say they could see no one else in that part.... That's the same as it would been in this case if Colceri had gotten the Hartmann role and Ermey may may have somehow got the gunner part...
@CinemaTyler ...lots of information, and not once did the term "boring" cross my mind... Well done Sir, Well done...
I have to say, he made a bigger impression as the "get some" guy than he would've made as Sgt Hartman (the "get some" guy was right out Tim Page's, I think, book "Nam", just as "Apocalypse Now!" used entire episodes out of that book as well, like the guy who shoots the VC yelling "GI, F*CK YOU!!!" and the black guy shoots him on the wire in the Do Long Bridge sequence). Sometimes the small roles that stick in your head wind up being the ones you remember. Astaire and Rogers became huge stars out of one minute long dance and a handful of lines in "Flying Down to Rio", and George Raft out of flipping a quarter in "Little Caesar" or "Public Enemy", I think... even if you didn't get what you wanted as an actor, you got something just as good, in a way. Most people vividly recall that crazy "get some" guy because of the sheer normality of that behavior in that setting. Like playing a GTA game....it just seems funny and unrealistic....
I always wondered about that guy. Very interesting. I always though there was more to that guy. He's just too much of a random fascinating character.
@@wordwarrior2350 Do you have a life? Your the one searching through comments for people to troll. Dude go outside and get some fresh air. Gtrandma wants you to go outside and play now. after you go play with your friends be sure to do the dishes and clean your room before bed. K?
@@RogueDog89 outstanding. These asshole trolls sometime get what they deserve.
@@everythingbobbywolfe Cheers man!
@@RogueDog89 👍👍
Same here. The movie's kind of going along after Paris Island and BAM! This random door gunner kind of steals the show with one line. Hats off to Tim for becoming another Kubrick victim, such a genius but demented individual Stanley was.
One day Eye Wide Shut will need to be tackled. I know its probably one of the harder Kubrick projects to research, but if anyone can do it its Cinema Tyler!
I remember reading somewhere that Kubrick wanted to do interviews with the press before the movie came out (which is something he rarely did), but died before it happened. That would have been so amazing to see.
@@zeronightex aw man those interviews would been such a treasure now. RIP Stanley
That movie is great, but I saw it too young to relate to it and saw thebl original, butchered release. Gotta hand it to the CGI artists, tho, the digitally added extras are seamless.
@@Turtleproof i saw EWS for the first time when i was 25, and it really struck me. Easily my favorite Kubrick film
Somewhere, some place, there is an original, unedited version of EWS that will be released
Man, What a bummer going from the drill instructor to the door gunner, but after careful consideration, the door gunner turned out to be a very big part even though it wasn't nearly as long. In my view the door gunner part was epic. It was a very memorable part.
holy crap you nailed the ending. amazing as usual. my new favorite channel.
I saw FMJ when it first came out and I thought the door gunner in FMJ looked to old to be a door gunner. I was 20 when I went to Vietnam in 1970. But I'm glad to find out that Colceri got respect in the credits for his hard work. I think that door gunner scene came out of Michael Herr's book, "Dispatches." Micheal Herr was a consultant on FMJ, also.
"if they run they're VC if they don't run they're well disciplined VC" might not be gunny but still a classic character
The silver lining is having two great actors supporting the film. Great work
Fantastic video. You never know the pain and BS that anyone has to endure when making a movie. This was WELL worth the time to watch. Subscribed.
I used to love watching mail call. I was disappointed when he died.
Colceri would have been a scary DI. There is no doubt that Sgt Hartman is iconic but everyone remembers the Door Gunner.
While Ermey's version was scary because of the iron will and unassailable discipline that he brought to the character, I think Colceri would have brought a certain physicality and presence to the character that would have edged more toward the "physically terrifying" edge of the spectrum. The soldier's fear would be that Ermey's DI would PT you to death, Colceri's would have stomped you to death. I don't know that the latter would necessarily be better - perhaps it would have been more intimidating to the audience? But I don't know that it would have been as "authentic" or "honest" feeling to the audience as what Ermey's role was.
The door gunner and the sniper being killed at the end were the two most intense scenes for me...both showing the madness and insanity of war.
I love your channel Tyler. The only thing wrong with your content is that I want MORE! Keep up the good work.
Being a Marine during Vietnam I watched the first part of FMJ and was thrust back in time Ermey did an excellent job which I attribute to his being a drill instructor and the only thing I would say as far as Ermey is that he was just a little to nice to his recruits I remember my DI's being a whole lot meaner but I am sure they didn't want to hurt the USMC's future recruiting by showing all that recruits go through.
My Dad was a DI, and Ermey reminded me alot of my dad. Very authentic.
@@billf8217 mine too. At the same time as Ermy.They knew each other 1967 MCRDSD I was 7 yrs old and got a whole quarter for shining Ermy's boots.