This 9-inch Monochrome VGA CRT Monitor
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Picked up this nifty little Etc Computer Inc JD093A display while thrifting a while back, and after covering the STS Tecom 5-inch amber CRT on LGR it came up in conversation. So yeah, let's take a look at it with some DOS games and whatnot!
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"Nine inch Blurbs" made me laugh a lot more than it should have. LOL Including such hits as "Oddware you like an Animal", "CRT I Can Never Have", "The Hand That Games" and "The Wood Grain Drug"
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Noice.
Head Like a Blerb
@@WellBeSerious12 LOL that rules!
Nine Inch Blerb's famous front man Clint Reznor
Nine Inch Blerbs: Clint's Nine Inch Nails cover band.
Head like a Blarb
lmao i scrolled down and was about to make a similar comment
Does each video have a halo number now?
@@HGAMES69 I blerbed myself today...
That’s what she said
9" monochrome VGA CRTs used to be on the ePOS cash registers (computerised tills) of my local convenience stores in the 2000s, and they were running Windows NT 4.0 at 640x480 and it was so cute seeing the little mouse pointer and _ □X buttons :P The pharmacy had a 10" colour version!
Cool! This reminds me of when some shop I went to in the mid 2000s that had a POS system which ran Windows 2000, and the custom POS software didn't hide the Windows UI, so I could still see the taskbar end title bar when I looked down into their screen mounted underneath a window in the counter.
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Y can remember these type of monitos were used with registers.
I've known what a POS is for years now, but my mind always drifts in a different direction.
Got a similar one, same size but in color. The seller told me it was, as you said, from a POS terminal. I find it amusing knowing that in the 90's, some bored cashier at the local supermarket probably watched this monitor for hours, while drifting away in her mind thinking about things. And now, it's in my hands, with me watching it instead, displaying all different games and such instead of just some words and numbers, and makes me happy.
a cashier that "drifts away from her mind" is a soon fired cashier. Angry and even homicidal fantasies is more like it.
@@squirlmy That depends whether or not there are customers around...
This was the first monitor I've bought in the 90's because I've been so broke that couldn't afford anything better. Ran it with "hand me down" 386 PC
I used an IBM 12" paperwhite VGA for a few years on my first PC in the early 90s and loved it. The total loss of "dot pitch" made for very crisp text. Modern displays blow it away of course, but for the time there were advantages. My machine was a 286 built from junk I put together from the back of the local computer paper. I was *pooor*.
Hey, me too ! In the mid 90's, with the little money I had, I bought an IBM PS/2 from an administration together with a monochrome monitor. The pixels were sharper than any color CRT I could see around. Playing UFO X-COM on it made the game extra-creepy, especially the night missions.
I think that's not same this. That's a MDA standard monitor with DB9pin input and used on 286 or 386 PCs
That cute and adorable monitor cries out for an equally cute and adorable computer to connect to. Maybe an Amstrad 4386sx or a modern ITX mini kind of thing.
Or a thin client, for a suitable size.
Any time-appropriate computer would suffer a cuteness deficit in comparison to the first Macs, which had 9" monochrome screens. I think it could be an interesting second monitor for aesthetic, if not practical, reasons.
What is a 4386?
Tiny 3D printed woodgrain PC.
@@infamousJohn_thedoc It was a small format 386SX-based desktop PC released by Amstrad in 1991. Came with a little 10" VGA colour monitor that matched the little case nicely.
That has to be one of the cutest CRTs i have ever seen in my life!!! :)) Tiny little thing.
Finally a CRT that's easy to carry around 😄
There was a modification you could do to a monochrome VGA monitor display for a more complete display, it involved connecting the red and blue lines to the green through resistors, that way it would display something for all colors, not just green.
Being monochrome means it's running RGB, or rather just G, but doing that modification makes it more like luminance?
@@K-o-R Yes, depending on the selection of your resistors you will get different luminance values for the red/green/blue signals. Probably the best setup would be to feed the red/green/blue signals into 10k potentiometer for each color, with one side of the pot connected to the color signal from the VGA card, and the other side connected to ground. And the wipers of all the pots connected together to feed the "green" (really now all colors combined) signal to the VGA monitor. Then you could adjust the pots to get the grayscale you like.
@@brianleeper5737 that sounds a little like the Apple II video hack to display colors on TVs of the period. I imagine your hack would sound like a step backwards to a lot of engineers.
@@squirlmy I'd hope anyone who calls themselves an "engineer" would be a little smarter than to think this a hack.
You could follow Rec.601 or Rec.709 luminance coefficients
Nine inches of goodness !
Nine inches of nails
that's what she said
It's actually a ten inch screen. CRTs would always be measured diagonally across their actual tube then a half-inch bezel would cover up one inch of the screen. So 17 inch CRTs measured diagonally would actually be 16 inches once they were in their bezel. 14 inch CRTs would measure 13 inches. And 10 inch CRTs would measure 9 inches. So this is a 10 inch CRT.
Watching your videos always brings me back to my childhood. 90's were the days
Love the monochrome. Makes the games definitely a bit creepier.
A cash register monitor
Always thought they looked cute :D
I had a very similar one of these back in the day... picked up at a bank auction, and used it my server at LAN parties for years :)
Oh God i used to have black and white 14 " CRT VGA monitor around '93-'94, it was a real pain trying to play some games cause You really couldn't see a thing.
This just made me remember the suffering.
That looks almost identical to the POS monitors at my wife's old job, they were using them well into the 2010s until they finally updated to modern flat panels.
I started working in the tax office back in 2006 and I had terminal with b&w monitor but it was running only one app for entering various tax data from printed documents. After about a year or two I got a Windows XP PC with MS Office and color CRT so I could print lists of documents instead writing them by hand which was pain in the ass. When I left the office in 2015 we had Win10 Lenovo all-in-one PCs which were amazing compared to all the junk we had before.
When you know the layout of a game well enough to play it while missing half of the display/graphics... now that's pretty epic!
I'm just really impressed at how well you got Duke 3D running on a 486 lol
I used to play Doom 1 on a 386 with no soundcard and with a mono VGA monitor (but slightly bigger). It was awsome.
My first VGA monitor had 64 shades of gray, and made Wolfenstein playable and my life complete. :)
I switched out to my CGA when I would be on a BBS though. Those ANSI colors were a must!
God it's my dream to get a CRT of that size, monochrome or not.
You should dream bigger!
You can buy a brand new one on eBay for $110, and it will deliver to your door. Pretty achievable dream.
We used to have loads in office, attached to servers mainly - where you need a screen, but only once in a blue moon so no point splashing out.
the colour versions are 10" I think haha
Why?
Although if you're really interested the original Apple IIc monochrome monitor was even smaller.
We used these at my local Asheville K-Mart when I worked there when I was about 16-17. They used them until they closed around 2015. I remember messing with the contrast dial.
What impresses me it's that it's not just plain VGA. The label on the back says SVGA!
Love seeing Paper White VGA monitors.
A long time ago I converted such a Monitor (Not that exct type) to a GrayScale monitor by removing the original plug, Get a fullpinned VGA plug, get 3 100R Resistors, soldered one end of each resistor to the Red, Green, and Blue positive, Linked the other ends of those resistors together, and linked that node to the video input line of the cable.
Then i soldered the Common to the Green Return.
Worked like a charm. :-)
That duke impression of yours is awesome
God these monitors always look amazing in low light.
I used to have one that was maybe 11-13”, that came with a Smith-Corona word processor. The clarity was excellent.
cannot resist that a cool looking lamp over there. ..
Remember seeing such monitors used with vintage CNC machines and that sort.
Wow...I remember when it was mind blowing how much bigger 17" monitors were than the 14" and 15" I had previously.
The other day I was working on my antique 10" TV and when switching to a "modern" 12" set from 1982 the picture just looked gigantic.
@@seanwfindley Now you can get a 4k TV the size of a tabletop for that kind of money. In act, I have a kitchen table that's smaller than a 4k TV you can get for that kind of money.
8 seconds in, and I'm already convinced that 9-inch Blerbs should be tech-themed 9-inch Nails parody band
Idk why but that ruler comment made me laugh so hard. Been a rough work week so thanks for the laugh and interesting vid!
Clint, any of us, whatever: This looks like it could be a cool wee monitor to use for something completely different from what it was doing all these years! Got crazy nice plans for it.
Monitor: NOPE. NO WAY JOSÉ
Amended Doom System Requirements: Light amplification visor required for monochrome VDUs.
That's a neat little monitor
Look like one, but technically leaves a lot to be desired...
@@BilisNegra Well to be fair as LGR stated it's meant for a Point of Sale system not a daily driver monitor.
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz Of course, I perfectly got it. But then, it's simply fit for its purpose. No coolness to it. Before you watch the video, you'd wonder: can I use this as a general purpose monitor wich would mean many possible interesting projects/uses? and then you get the answer: no, not really.
That was my dad(and mine) first monitor from our first Pc, right back in 1996. It was a 486 66 with 8 mb of ram and 1gb hard drive. Entire Pc used It costed like three minimal wages at the time here in Brazil.
Good old CRTs
Nine Inch Blurbs is my favorite industrial metal band.
up until 10 years ago or so a lot of our discount supermarkets still had 7/9" CRTs in the tills. Some of the stores had them a bit longer because they had yet to be renovated, but by now they've all been replaced by cute little LCDs
Used to have those on FedEx shipping terminals with an equally small keyboard. Loved it.
I’ve got one of them from 1996. I used to look after a chain of petrol stations back in the day and I’ve still managed to hang on to one. My one displays orange text though. They used to use them on the POS systems as LGR says.
Those new Roland speakers would look nice next to the monitor on top of the PC case :)
Wow, Epic Pinball looks like when the teached went and photocopied a color pictures from a book and handed out but the photocopy is just a black mess because the photocopier was black and white. I don't know how those work, I'd assume just as Clint explained with the 3 channels mixed into 1 as a grayscale but those photocopies never looked that good.
9:38 - at this moment I remembered that there's this screen filter effect in Doom when you pick up the invincibility, it looks kinda just like that :D This room is full of green so the visibility is good.
Getting a proper greyscale signal from VGA requires encoding at least the Y part of a YUV signal, which is obviously slightly more money than just driving the electron gun directly from the green line. Especially when people using the monitor will just program around the lack of any blue or red functionality and you can save a few cents of precious margin.
Photocopies aren't really greyscale, which is why they look so poor: they squash everything into either black or white. You could use a halftone screen to produce false greyscale but most schools did (still do) not use one. Halftone reproduction is used in most printing applications (including newspapers and colour printing) but that is going too deep for a RUclips comment.
@@andersernest4540 Is halftone just print/copytalk for dithering?
@@Programentalist Pretty much, it's the same basic idea. The difference is that halftone dots are on an exact grid and their size changes whereas in dithering the dots are usually all identical but they are not necessarily on a grid. Halftone is easier to achieve IRL but dithering is easier in software, and normally looks better.
@@andersernest4540 Ah ok, thanks!
That was EXACTLY my experience as a kid with one similar to this. It was a little bigger but with the same controls. Playing Doom with it was a different experience. Of course the similarity between red / blue and black was an issue, however the eerie experience of 256 shades of gray Doom and mainly Doom II was very different to playing it latter with a Samsung SyncMaster 3 SVGA (that was my upgrade to the monochrome monitor). I hope someday I'll see a review in LGR or LGR Blerbs of a SyncMaster CRT similar to the AccuSync one.
Crazy not seeing this with massive burn in at the grocery store.
My first introduction to the ... uh ... internet ... was on a monochrome VGA display, so I have some very specific nostalgia for this vibe.
Very nice monitor. Looks new.
This monitor is going to look great in the upcoming VisiCalc techtales video! Can't wait!
That reminds me of my first VGA monitor. It was VGA paperwhite though so white, black, & 254 shades of gray.
Wow I actually remember these or at least something similar. I worked for a small company circa 1999 that had 4 or 5 of these hooked up outside the server room. Their only purpose was monitoring network status. Cool.
We had this exact monitor in our Studio C Chuck E Cheese computer. Always had a nice crisp picture till it popped. Great looking display!
imagine gaming on this thing today
Like playing on a black and white etch-a-sketch. or Fax Machine.
I love monochrome CRTs. The crisp definition always blows me away. And sometimes color is distracting.
This monitor looks like a perfect companion to the old IBM PS/2 models which only supported MCGA video modes.
In late 90s I got a IBM PS/2 model 30 with a similar monitor (12 or 13" I think). It had dos and Windows 3.11 on it. Later I used the monitor on a Red Hat Linux server machine (586 )
Oh the memories. Reminds me of one I used for a long time, think it was a Compaq 10" monochrome vga that came (to me) with a Compaq DeskPro 286. Small mono displays always looked so crisp.
It looks like shrunken head Beetlejuice sitting on that giant 486 case!
I used on of those on a Point of Sale system when I had a cashier job in Highschool.
My God Clint, it is beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. I love this old tech you seem to just pull out of your proverbial.
I wish the tech gods would give us similar awesome stuff today. Though I guess android tablets are pretty cool
Displaying only green signals want the case for all monochrome/paperwhite VGA monitors; in fact, I've never seen one that displays only green until this video. As mentioned, the monitor was probably manufactured as cheaply as possible specifically for point-of-sale systems.
I'm not a huge fan of monochrome VGA monitors, but there is a certain something special about the PS/2 Model 25's built in paperwhite monitor. Would make a good blurb someday if you have one in your inventory.
I had one as a second monitor decades go :) I mainly used it as a test kit as it was easier to transport
very cool little monitor you've got there.
I do remember seeing similar small VGA monochrome displays being used in PoS systems. Usually there were two monitors, one pointing towards the cashier and other pointing towards the customer.
The largest supermarket chain in my country used old DOS based PoS systems which originally came with similar small CRTs (IIRC, they were Beetle systems from Wincor Nixdorf) IIRC all the way until 2010s (!), or even for longer, can't recall exactly. They did replace old CRTs monitors with LCDs though in later years.
That did my mind in for a while, couldn't quite work out if the monitor is tiny, or Clint has suddenly grown to giant proportions :)
Happy little monitor!
when I moved out for college in the late 90s I started to put together my own systems and VGA Colour Monitors where still very pricy at least by college student standards so the first VGA monitors I had where monochrome like this with the black and white. I first played DOOM on this kinda screen and while alot of it worked.. when you press Tab for the map it was just black. when I finally got a colour monitor I was just blown away by the difference. But even this monochrome VGA was a huge upgrade from CGA which is all I had before hand.
I have one myself, really cool monitor. Mine was for a POS system but surprisingly has no screen burn.
4:00 Reminds me of David Byrne wearing that big suit.
Same as it ever was…..
13:20 oh yeah so recognizable. "I know there are enemy's there"
3:25 That moment when you show someone your ruler with a mark next to 9". It's my CRT measurement honest.
Nice! Save our CRTs!
You said we'll be seeing those Roland speakers in your videos. You weren't lying.
I could not afford color monitor back in '93 when I got my first PC (308 DX 40 MHz like yours in this video I guess) so I had to go VGA monochrome. Thanks for the bad memories
It was about my 1st vga monitor... got it from an accountancy company - they had decided they didn't need color to input figures, so it was cheaper, and it fell into my lap when it was made redundant later int time. As I was a broke student, the princely price of just zero was absolutely perfect when they asked if I was interested in picking it up. It finally gave up the ghosts a couple of years later, but I liked the crispiness while it lasted.
It makes sense an accounting company would want one of these. I believe negative values are often shown in red on financial spreadsheets, so with this monitor they would only see the good numbers!
Some early (S)VGA cards had color/monochrome switch that should in theory mix RGB values. Even in VGA specs it was specified that it could display 256 colors or 64 shades of gray on monochrome displays.
Analysis, its adorable
Daawwwhhh look at this little cute boy
It looks hilarious on top of the PC
My brain filled in dooms text as red because it expected the text to be red. I had to focus to make the text black.
Monochrome CRTs are my favourite thing
Those monitors are great for mini itx mods for old macs, they fit perfectly in Macintosh classic case
We all feel nostalgic, every now-and-then but the best thing that happened to desktop PCS was LCD monitors.
Reminds me of the monitor I used at my first job at my dads office when I was 12. It was essentially connected to a server and you could access files, there was no computer attached.
I have the same. Excellent picture quality. Works very well for Atari ST to display hires monochrome, One nly needs to build the adapter from the Atari special connector to VGA.
This should be a great replacement tube for a vintage mac.
Macs had different standards than PCs, sometimes dramatically different, it's not VGA at all. The Mac connector to the motherboard is entirely different. An adapter would be needed, and any such adapter developed in the 90s, for example, would have been super expensive and rare.
@@squirlmy It doesn't matter at all. Swap the tube, trash everything else and use the macs yoke.
I had - as my first VGA a 12-13" mono VGA monitor. After I got a 15" color one, I parked it until it was used at my first server (AMD 586@133) with Red Hat Linux.
First I used it with dos/windows 3.11 and by the time I installed Win95, I already had the color one.
My guess is that it came from some bank in Germany when they upgraded theirs hardware in late 90s; at the time a lot of computing hardware was brought from Germany. Legend said that they were picked up at the garbage bins were they were disposed by banks or offices that upgraded. With it I bought a nice IBM PS/2 model 30 (a 286 ISA).
Edit: I remember that some programs had a option to display on VGA Mono displays (NC for example had a palette option for that). Also I think to see the option of VGA Mono on some BIOS (maybe detected by the VGA card?). Mine displayed 14 shades of gray + white squares at 5:26 on checkit.
Yours is very...black and white. Check some settings. Also, when booted with monochrome monitor, thee PC will display mono image even when change the monitor with a color one, until is restarted. Check to see the difference in image quality.
once has a larger monochrome with a picture like this, turned out the Red and Blue were present in the cable and not connected inside the db15 I soldered them with the 2 grounds toi and the monitor became a real black and white monitor
That's one giant desktop PC!
(1:30) You just reminded me of how I have a point of sale monitor that is a 10.4" colour SVGA monitor from some kind of IBM "SurePOS" system.
Nice to see Duke Nukem 3D being played entirely from memory.
I used to own one of these briefly and I believe they were called a "page white VGA". When I first built my first PC, I got one of these used, not knowing it was monochrome, and quickly reselling it. POS = Point of Sale, funny, I was thinking of an alternate meaning. ;)
I used to install these in server racks back in the day. We didn't want to waste any precious rack space so we needed a monitor that was as small as possible. I seem to remember that they were quite hard to get hold of. You'd end up with a rack full of servers and then one of these on the top.
This does look familiar. I have seen a lot of these at ancient point of sale systems. I remember finding them interesting with their ancient computers and often found myself looking at them.
I had one of these for a while in ‘91 when my ega monitor died and I borrowed a vga card and mono monitor for a month.
I just picked up a 9" Samsung amber composite monitor at a vintage electronics gathering last week, not as cool as VGA but glad to have such a cute monitor for testing things!
now you gotta get a tiny computer to go along with it.
Coincidence, there’s the Weecee
I used one of these as my daily driver monitor back in 2002. I was cheap and it was my first screen with a resolution higher than 640x480.
its like blade runner intros both movies. dark colorless and low life.strangely like it.
Feeling old that I remember these :/
This adorable. I love it. I'd keep one as a pet.
You're giving me ideas...
8:25 this is like playing Doom 3 with a nightvision goggles filter mod.
No retrobright required. Surprisingly good condition
That’s one way to make Doom look creepy