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Are You Repasting Your GPU Correctly? - Testing Paste Applications (Thin, X, Line, Dot)

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024

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  • @thesilverydragon
    @thesilverydragon 2 года назад +26

    Good to know that, as long as you apply enough of it, the specific method doesn't really matter. As for what might give better performance... I mean... I suppose liquid metal would the only comparable thing that could give you better heat transfer. But I don't think that'll really be worth it for most people. :P

    • @DeputyFish
      @DeputyFish Месяц назад

      i mean its like what 12 bucks more?

  • @AK474000
    @AK474000 2 года назад +17

    I been around a while in the PC scene, I think a lot of this conversation has got muddled over time application was important when high end pastes tend to contain conductive materials.
    Overspill when you used those could kill your stuff. This is less of an issue today since high end pastes are within 1C of each other in performance and are also non-conductive making overspill not a problem.
    GPUs specifically are naked dies unlike CPUs today which have Integrated Heat Spreaders. It's less important to cover the entire CPU IHS so long as you paste the hot spots where the die is underneath it.
    GPUs therefore require full coverage since every inch of that surface will get hot. Also it's a requirement to use non-conductive pastes with GPUs as the general application recommendations will cause some overspill inevitably.

  • @CodahWasTaken
    @CodahWasTaken 2 года назад +3

    Just found out the channel, amazing and underrated content!

  • @var1ables854
    @var1ables854 Год назад +8

    There was old article on an overclocking website that did like a dozen different application methods and did it over like a suite of 100 tests. It covered all your points but even through some more esoteric ones(spiral for bigger dies that some server manufacturers suggest, smiley face for the meme etc).
    The tests were consistent across make and model they tested. Ironically the smiley face did the best - but even that was written off as well within variance.
    long story short - doesn't matter. Its an argument for no reason.

  • @turuutmx6128
    @turuutmx6128 Год назад +4

    The most important thing is the kind of paste. MX-4 is a good paste for CPU with an integrated heat spreader but it's a horrible choice for GPU which has an naked die. It will work for 2-3 months but eventually it will pump out because it's a very liquidy paste. For a GPU you need a very viscous paste that is more like a clay. Good examples of GPU pastes would be DowsilTC-5026, TC-5688, Shin-Etsu X7921, Prolimatech PK-3, IC diamond 24. Bad choices would be TG Kryonaut, MX-4 and 5, Noctua NT-H1 and 2 are all very liquidy and doesn't dry out but has trouble sticking to the naked die surface and Arctic Silver 5 because of its mostly oil properties which dries way too quickly. Quantity, Application method doesn't matter that much as long it's full coverage than it's good enough.

    • @heroicsquirrel3195
      @heroicsquirrel3195 Год назад

      What’s the best for gpu repaste, I was about to use noctua but you said it’s bad?

    • @MerolaC
      @MerolaC 5 месяцев назад

      @@heroicsquirrel3195 While Turuu recomends some good ones, you can also go with these:
      Honeywell PTM7950 (it comes like A thermal pad, but, in fact, it's a paste that changes consistency at around 40°C and becomes like a a past. This is in layman therms)
      Another good one for die application is Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut (recommened by der8uer himself)
      Another good one is Gelid GC Extreme.
      I've used these in the past for my job (IT) on Laptops, my own graphics cards, etc.

  • @spreadthegamer
    @spreadthegamer 2 года назад +4

    HH we NEED a youtube release of your theme song. it sounds so good!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Haha thanks. I'll try to do that at some point soon

  • @ProjectPhysX
    @ProjectPhysX 2 года назад +4

    Only danger is to use too little with the dot application, like way less than a pea-sized amount. When spreading, the paste might not reach the corners.
    So better use a bit too much than too little :)

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +4

      For sure! I don't know why people are so inclined to over-complicate things haha

  • @adamadkins7489
    @adamadkins7489 2 года назад +4

    I always do an X and have had 100% coverage on tge heat spreader when I've removed the cooler. Honestly, its really weird people gets so animated about this issue. I've seen nasty fights in comments of pc groups over thermal paste applications. On a gpu I just do a grain of rice blob in the middle.

  • @mleise8292
    @mleise8292 2 месяца назад

    Pretty cool video even after 2 years. Can't believe you got the exact same temps 8 times over.
    Sapphire says to put 0.2 mm of thermal paste on their Pulse Vega 56 (~9 cm²). That would equate to 0.45 grams of MX-6 or 1/4 of a 2 g syringe.

  • @goorthiss
    @goorthiss Год назад +1

    I recommend to try phase-change material Honeywell PTM7950. It comes as a sheet and you don't have to mess around with any applying dots, dashes or crosses. Just cut out a piece the size of the IHS/core and stick it on. Also don't have to worry about whether the paste is too little or too much - it will be just right. In addition, it lasts longer, performs works better than traditional pastes and there is no pump-out effect.

  • @vanfly6731
    @vanfly6731 2 года назад +1

    pretty awesome
    thank you for the video
    i always use the X pattern then remove the heat sink to see if paste covers it all
    then
    re-apply

  • @nikshay6151
    @nikshay6151 2 года назад +1

    Love to see you upload

  • @therealtsa5591
    @therealtsa5591 2 года назад

    Aye glad to see my new favourite channel show up again with another video

  • @obsurdhotdog8442
    @obsurdhotdog8442 2 года назад +1

    Great video!
    I think that this is quite a underrated channel for the amount of effort that goes into making these amazing videos. And one other thing, I have run into a bit of an interesting issue in your Discord server.

  • @NinjaISwill
    @NinjaISwill 2 года назад

    I think you did very well with your testing method here. As always, data is key for clearing up these myths. Nice work!

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      Glad you think so! Hopefully it helps haha

    • @r_owbot
      @r_owbot 2 года назад

      how was this 18 hrs ago?

    • @MarcoGPUtuber
      @MarcoGPUtuber 2 года назад

      @@r_owbot Probably a patreon patron.

  • @OkiemElektroniki
    @OkiemElektroniki 3 месяца назад

    After working with so many different GPU models over the years, I came to a conclusion that using spread method can be very questionable with some coolers.
    To sum it up - Dot method is great for small dies. X for larger ones. X with tiny dots between lines for really big dies/IHS. I never spread because of accidents when coolers did not made perfect contact with die (which resulted in GPU extremely overheating).

  • @valll39
    @valll39 Год назад

    Ah! This is amazing, i was looking for a 1080 strix video and seeing a 1070 is perfect! Thank you man

  • @0neWhoKnocks
    @0neWhoKnocks Год назад

    Nice Vid Man!

  • @kyleallred984
    @kyleallred984 2 года назад +7

    Another great video with very thorough testing. It's sad though that we have to deal with people who seem to exist just to argue.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Thanks! And yeah it's strange. I think people just try to find ways to feel smarter lol

    • @kyleallred984
      @kyleallred984 2 года назад +3

      @@HardwareHaven IMHO the best way to prove intelligence is to admit error and learn. Trying to prove a point just indicates to me they have a lot of growth.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      This 👆🏻

  • @djrockzz1163
    @djrockzz1163 2 года назад +2

    Bro we want that background music! We love it❤

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      haha thanks. The theme is on soundcloud at least

    • @djrockzz1163
      @djrockzz1163 2 года назад

      I listen it daily..

  • @sageosaka
    @sageosaka 2 года назад +1

    I personally like the idea of the thin spread method but from what I hear, theoretically, you could introduce tiny bubbles into the application doing it that way and in doing so, add a small layer of insulation between the die and the paste. But this is just heresay and I've not done enough testing (or have done an application poorly enough) to run into this issue myself.

  • @MARKELL00F
    @MARKELL00F 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome video , keep up the good work

  • @MutasimAli-go7wt
    @MutasimAli-go7wt 6 месяцев назад

    that what i really wanted to see thanks for your hard work

  • @alexandroskotrotsos3720
    @alexandroskotrotsos3720 2 года назад

    Love your vids!You deserve a lot of subs!! :)

  • @JMassengill
    @JMassengill 2 года назад +1

    Nice testing method. I have that very gpu. Your video makes me want to look at the temps the gpu is putting out.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Might not be a bad idea 👍🏻
      Thanks for the comment as always

  • @Ilovebigsubs1737
    @Ilovebigsubs1737 2 года назад

    im going to try liking every vid you make

  • @nathanfeyereisen1716
    @nathanfeyereisen1716 2 года назад

    i got the notification, i was so happy !

  • @vladislavkaras491
    @vladislavkaras491 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks for answering the question! :D

  • @CyberClu
    @CyberClu Год назад

    I've seen Brian on Tech Yes City, just spread a thin layer around, as it comes out of the tube. Making sure to cover the entire area. And he's been selling hundreds of gaming PC's for years.

  • @elgoblinooo
    @elgoblinooo Год назад

    Good quality thermal paste and airflow in case is more important than the pattern itself.

  • @TheMaxAwesome
    @TheMaxAwesome 2 года назад +1

    Penny wise, pound foolish. Just apply a thin uniform layer. It’s the reason they all include the little spatula these days. The paste is non-conductive (unless you’re using liquid metal), so a little over the edge of the die won’t hurt anything.

  • @Phyxsius_85
    @Phyxsius_85 Год назад

    People think too much about unnecessary things, such as how to apply thermal paste. Dot + good pressure and no problem

  • @humANdroid95
    @humANdroid95 2 года назад

    Good vid! Keep it up, improve methodology and tools, and make even better content. Presentation was fluid and quite informative, thanks!

  • @John117alon1
    @John117alon1 2 года назад +1

    Great Video! Never got the whole thermal paste debate, I think if it’s a good quality compound and covers the surface (even with overspill) it’s good enough.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Yeah people seem to really want to over-complicate it haha

  • @filenotfound__3871
    @filenotfound__3871 2 года назад +1

    I fear no thermal paste pattern, but that GIGABYTE power supply in the background, it scares me.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      It would scare me too if it was one of the models affected by the issue brought to light by Gamers Nexus

    • @filenotfound__3871
      @filenotfound__3871 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven But the fact that they missed overcurrent protection fault is scary, it is usually the most thoroughly tested protection feature

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Yeah that was a complete blunder. To be clear, I really don’t care for gigabyte as a company, but that’s not gonna stop me from using a solid power supply that I got for a good deal from a friend if that makes sense haha

    • @filenotfound__3871
      @filenotfound__3871 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven I fully understand, I have a gigabyte motherboard and their SSD in my main system, I have nothing against their products, in fact they will probably now make sure something this stup1d never happens again and make some great power supplies to make up it

    • @filenotfound__3871
      @filenotfound__3871 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven was it a good deal because the original owner was afraid of it?

  • @Cooper3312000
    @Cooper3312000 10 месяцев назад

    I use dot method on CPU with heat spreader and always use even spread on GPU bare die to know the entire die has coverage.

  • @vedantagrawal9530
    @vedantagrawal9530 2 года назад +1

    This was a pretty good follow up to your short.
    Again, learnt something new and had fun.
    Now, how much thermal paste do you recommend people apply on their food?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +2

      I would say that's more of a personal preference, but you want to make sure and avoid air bubbles. I've heard rumors that you can die from that

  • @WillFuI
    @WillFuI 2 года назад

    I like the lust s big old dot on as long as my paste doesn’t conduct

  • @thebigsnorlax3222
    @thebigsnorlax3222 2 года назад

    petty good

  • @ashscott6068
    @ashscott6068 7 месяцев назад

    The best paste for a CPU, isn't the best paste for a GPU. The better ones are optimised for a lower temperature range. They dry out and crack at GPU temps.

  • @Mitholman73
    @Mitholman73 11 месяцев назад

    this is normal, it's because you didn't put the fan in manual mod. a graphics card by default will alway want very low speed for its fans

  • @AndehX
    @AndehX Год назад

    I would have thought if all methods produce the same results, then the dot method would be best as its the easiest.

  • @mangosfx
    @mangosfx 2 года назад

    hey I know that mangosfx dude
    Otr though, absolutely love the video! Super glad it found a use :]

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Hahaha same. It might get featured even more at some point

  • @Sain995
    @Sain995 2 года назад

    the topic of applying thermal paste is a super controversial topic on RUclips but it has shown that the people who give it controversy really do not have much knowledge (excuse my English, it is translated hehe)

  • @muhammadazkanaufal8695
    @muhammadazkanaufal8695 2 года назад +1

    5 dot team here

  • @lil_per_vert
    @lil_per_vert 10 месяцев назад

    just apply the dot

  • @tunnandaaung2
    @tunnandaaung2 2 года назад

    Wow I already thought dot is the best too btw i wana make hardware video like u and mryeester but i still in high school I don't have that much money to buy so what should ido? Saving up to buy the pc part i need or jut wait to grow up and get a job and start when I grow?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      I think really just whatever you want and are able to do. I would start trying to make videos now with whatever you have or can find. It will force you to be creative with it and also see if it's something you actually enjoy doing. That's my advice at least

    • @tunnandaaung2
      @tunnandaaung2 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven i actually wana do but u know haha i lazy and don't have much budget -_- but fine i gonna try anyway

  • @KokoroKatsura
    @KokoroKatsura 2 года назад +1

    try furmark

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber 2 года назад +2

    That's why I use mayonnaise instead. No more controversy! Now everyone is united in their opinions!

  • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh
    @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh 2 года назад

    sadly the best way to test this is with a GPU that reports HOTSPOT temps (like a 5700 XT), edge temps or regular gpu temps don't display the temp of the hottest part of the gpu die :(

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      That probably would be helpful. I'm not sure though how much of a difference there would be with consistent mounting pressure and enough paste to cover the entire surface of the die. Do you have a link or anything to a similar test that uses hotspot monitoring? I'd be curious to see.

    • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh
      @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh 2 года назад +1

      @@HardwareHaven sadly no video, this is a topic i discussed with others on discord a few months ago and tested myself (when i repasted my 5700 XT Red Devil).
      The "thin" method dropped my GPU hotspot temps from 110ºC to 98ºC compared to the dot method and i made sure mounting pressure was extremely consistent, the "edge" or "regular" gpu temp was just 1ºC better (this is all with a 60% gpu fans speed with a 190W PL, running unigine superposition max everything for 2 hours).

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      Were ambient temps taken into account?

    • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh
      @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven i don't have a way of testing ambient temps but it was tested on the same day in the same hot room but no way a mild shift in ambient temp (it all felt the same to me) would account to a 12ºC drop on Hotspot temps.
      I wish i had taken pictures of the paste patterns after application but the dot method while it can spread across the die the corners did not have much paste applied on them but i used a thermal paste that isn't very liquidy so idk if that is the main reason the corners lacked enough paste (the dot was small like a rice grain since that i what i kept hearing was usually done but noctua recommends a pea sized blob).
      I did not test any other methods since i was happy with the temp drop with the "spread" method.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      Gotcha! It’s cool that you did that and got some lower temps. I’m getting tired of doing thermal paste content, but if I ever come back to it I’ll try to bring hotspot measurements into consideration. I imagine for most users it’s really not as big of an issue. There will most likely be an improvement if the paste hasn’t been changed in a while, and at most the GPU might slightly throttle a bit sooner if one hotspot sensor is getting too hot.

  • @phoneguy2005
    @phoneguy2005 2 года назад

    question, what are the specs of your main computer?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад +1

      i7 9700
      GIGABYTE Z390 M GAMING-CF
      16GB DDR4
      RTX 2060

  • @xthe_moonx
    @xthe_moonx Год назад

    so ur saying i dont need to go buy a thermal paste spatula? lol

  • @edbeagle7929
    @edbeagle7929 2 года назад

    Could you do some console killer builds now that gpus do not cost a kidney

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  2 года назад

      Maybe.. I definitely plan to do more GPU content with prices coming down, but it might not necessarily all be gaming stuff. I also don’t have any “modern” consoles to compare to haha

    • @edbeagle7929
      @edbeagle7929 2 года назад

      @@HardwareHaven I love used part content meta builds and diy fixes that can be cheap like an office PC turned gamings PC or 1st gen Ryzen with a 1650 or entry level machine you do not need newest and coolest to enjoy gaming

  • @Lazo222
    @Lazo222 10 месяцев назад

    Hello, can I please send you a picture of my paste application on gpu, just to make sure it is alright? Do you have gmail or anything?

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  10 месяцев назад +1

      I have an email in the “about” section, but I’m sure it’s fine 👍🏻

    • @Lazo222
      @Lazo222 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@HardwareHavenAppreciate the answer. I will send a pic on hardware haven discord server just to be sure :)

  • @PROMAN8625
    @PROMAN8625 2 года назад

    10th

  • @r_owbot
    @r_owbot 2 года назад

    earlyy