The Road From Equality to Inversion
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I explain how the philosophical insistence on equality and freedom as basic tenets, will inevitably lead to social inversion.
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"People have different capacities.
If they are free, they will not be equal.
If they are equal, they will not be free."
-Alexandr Solshenitsyn
@Marcus _ i dont remeber who said this but here it goes:
F3males are incapable of greatness, they can only ve good at detecting it.
Thats why f3males never try to improve themselves and be winners, but rather try to find a winner man and attach to him.
And the worst part is they are very conscious of this inferiority of their nature and hold it against men with contempt and nagging
@shethinksliberty I smell female butthurt.
@Marcus _ you'll never be cut any slack on your post. Simply MGTOW and walk away.
Men and women have different tendencies of expression such as men have a far greater tendency to make things such as roads cars bridges buildings and everything else you see. But its forbidden to ever make such a statement because thats sexist. Its far safer to denounce men for their shortcomings, and to hold all things female in great esteem and you dare not be critical in any way or guess what you a sexist pig.
@shethinksliberty i have noticed how its socially acceptable to deride men in general and a socially taboo to criticize women in any manner what's so ever. There is only toxic masculinity in popular culture and no such female equivalent. It is in fact sexist to even suggest that there might be a female equivalent but its also a social taboo to suggest that Feminism is about equality except when it comes things like equal paternity rights, the assumption of 50/50 custody for both parents, male homelessness ( i work in healthcare and housing is miraculously found for homeless women where males are discharged to the street / homeless shelter...or the fact that more men die from prostrate cancer than women from breast cancer....its not a zero sum game....
@shethinksliberty and therein lies the give; Where do you find your framework for virtue? Where does your morality come from? What makes it infallible? Eternal? Indominable? Holy?
Equality of outcome is both impossible and nightmarish.
It is more than nightmarish, it is hell and evil.
@smarter than a liberal ask the upperdog, dawg.
It's not impossible, it is and erroneous concept. Since we answer the question Nature vs Nurture, to engage in the equality of outcome discussion is to give another answer which is Nurture all the way. We know today that it is Nature 60%-80%, what remain is nurture. However, nurture can not erase nature. You can't make a Nobel price from an average person, but you can stop someone to develop its novel price ability. Another difference is that nurture fade away with time, not nature. The abilities you gain with education will not last 40 years, but your natural abilities will stay with you all your life.
@Anthony Skidmark spirit possession that's it, that's the future of humanity. Good one :D.
Oh it IS possible my friend, make no mistake. It's called ONE MASS GRAVE. :D
"The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together.... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.... No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children... Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people's needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all."
- Linda Gordon
, Functions of the Family, WOMEN: A Journal of Liberation, Fall, 1969
Absolutely nothing accidental about it.
Thank you for sharing this. Does make things crystal clear
😳 Good catch! Where'd you find that one? Anyway thanks.
@@montsemajanmartinez9824 That is just the entrance to the rabbit hole.
@@VACatholic pray, do tell...
@@joesouthborn2960 it ends well: qmap.pub/read/3717
But the journey is long and arduous: qmap.pub/read/1
You are watching the longest, most brutal, most public execution in history. Enjoy the show.
I uploaded a version of this that had 1 minute of dead time at the beginning. This is a reupload. Sorry for the confusion.
I and many others I know would love to hear you and Tom Holland have a conversation about the history of Christianity and its impact on the West.
Where is most of this inversion stemming from? ...the media.
Who owns the media? ...the chosen people that Jonathan Pageau is afraid to name.
@@theperfectbastard451 ..do you mean rich white old dudes?
The Perfect Bastard And what would you have us do about it?
@@maudeeb Are you kidding me? Or are you afraid to name them as well?
I never thought of equality as a person's capabilities, but equality of rights. All rights have to be equal between all people. This is anti-slavery, in that it derives from self ownership, every individual owns themselves and has full authority over themselves.
"all the things I like come from the Enlightenment. Everything I don't like comes from the counter-enlightenment" - Steven Pinker
Underrated
Except it seems "the enlightenment" set the course that we now find ourselves trying to get off of.
During my apprenticeship as a tradesmen, there was a form of submission to my 'master', or mentor if you will. It was humbling, yet has been the source of an instilled, sense of pride, to draw from in the darker times I've realized.
Being a student, a follower and an apprentice has taught me to pay attention. Too follow in order to lead, so too speak.
Great vid Johnathan
The moment you said that some people find satisfaction in submitting to the hierarchy, I lit up and just thought - yes! Now of course I'm a woman, so I'm sure that concept comes more easily to me than for others. I used to subscribe to the feminist notion that a woman should be "equal" to her partner, and of course my relationship with my fiance used to have way more tension, I would get resentful and frustrated when he didn't behave "equally"... when I started to understand hierarchies and the concept of a man being head of a household, and when I submitted to that concept, our relationship became so much more harmonious. There is no feeling of having "given up" or "settling", rather, my life has more purpose, more hope, more peace.
There is immense benefit in understanding hierarchies and one's own place within. Feminism wants the top of the hierarchy ripped apart and divided amongst everyone.
That was very helpful!
So the inversion is not one simple desire, but actually the product of two desires (for both hierarchy and equality) interacting.
The conscious desire for equality and the unconscious desire for (or recognition of) hierarchy.... I think.
This landed 1000%. One of the most clear moments I've found you explaining a concept that I can build on. 🙏
The West has given up on the moral pole of sanctity, which is itself the death of God.
Without some sense of an external order that we are spiritually connected to, the only thing that remains to tell us what’s good and what’s bad is other people. What if someone consents to being eaten by someone who wants to eat a human? That happened, and no one knew how to feel about it. It felt wrong, but all the stories of consent we’ve been telling all this time say we shouldn’t feel anything at all. Maybe that’s because we’re lying to ourselves. Who knows.
What I think it means is that there is an external order that humans need to subject themselves to because a human ego unchecked is simply apocalyptic. Whether it’s an invention of evolutionary necessity or the result of the fall at the Garden of Eden, consciousness will infinitely seek power because it’s ambitions will always be tied to the body within which it is housed. That is the fate of ego, that is, it’s own destruction. A belief in the transcendent is the only limiting factor on an unchecked ego and the only thing keeping it from flying too close to the sun.
Without any such belief, we lose the idea of sanctity, or of the idea that there is an authority against which we must not trespass. This quickly devolves into logically assuming that we must be the masters of our own destiny and that the whole of human experience is ultimately observable at a certain point. You will inevitably descend into totalitarian and constructionist thinking because the conclusion to a world without God is that we are clearly the closest things this universe has to one. The body has no limit on how much control and safety it will pursue in order to safeguard the passage of its genes. The ego left unchecked will carry forth the will of its master until the stars themselves have been chained to the earth. Not a single molecule can be allowed to go unsupervised if the almighty organism is to maintain supreme control over its environment.
We are not the magical creatures we like to think we are. We need a God, and we need to wholeheartedly believe in Him if we really want to save ourselves from creating hell on earth for ourselves.
It’s fascinating when you compare how hierarchy functions in other disciplines. For instance in design, when you were in a design critique at an agency one of the most fundamental principles is that the hierarchy is correct, that the most important elements are visually communicated as the most important, secondary as secondary, etc.
Everytime you upload a video, my kids bedtimes stories get more creative, real, and important
Submitting is a theme in a lot of Grimm brothers stories. The bad sibling would be defiant and lazy
I haven't listened to everything you've said, but I have increasingly come to the conclusion that you are both a genuine Christian and a great guy. And also very smart. I really hope you have the opportunity to talk to JBP, and that he's willing to listen. He has been going through real difficulties, and what he needs is God.
they are friends even before JP popped famous and have done dialogues also in JP channel
Hbmd I know. Not sure how often they talk though.
@@vaportrails7943 he dont believe in demons i dont know does he believe in Christs literal ressurrection??! I hope he does! atleast Im blessed from his teachings, bringing dogma/liturgy/sceleton / intellectual side to the christianity..
I see less, the desire for equality, and more, desire for superiority, from most people who claim to only want to be equal.
I hate videos/commercials where women show up men in traditional male activities. Sure, there are some women who are better at billiards, and there are some women who can beat men at arm wrestling, but it's very rare. The problem I have is not with women per se, it's with the degradation and belittling of men, especially white men. Men and women are not equal. We are not the same. We need to value and celebrate the differences.
actually, there is no chance that slim woman can beat those men in real life that's why it's an ad
I have problem with inversion and immorality
those men did nothing wrong yet they had to be humiliated
first inversion happened in eden when satan said become your own gods , live forever etc etc
I think men & women are equal in inherent worth since we're all made in the image of God, but men & women aren't interchangeable and that's something more people need to accept. This idea that, for example, women are physically as strong as men just doesn't fit with reality.
In the USAF, I served under a colonel. Everyone was proud who served under him. Hierarchy is good when someone good is on top.
When you submit yourself to a higher power than yourself (God) you also ADMIT to yourself that you are not the master of all creation.
It's like a kid wanting their parents to be in charge.
People have a natural need for hierarchies.
These days it feels like they don't wanna get equal they wanna get even.
Thats exactly what it is pretty much
If your society doesn't honor the feminine sphere properly, the revenge of the feminine will soon appear.
What seems odd to me at the Women's Liberation movement liberated women to become men -- and frequently the worst type of men -- we too can sleep around, we too can be destructive bad-asses putting people in their place.
Matt They want to get even for an imagined injustice that never occurred. Which is evil.
Laura Giles Women never had issue with their roles in society until feminist demons whispered in their ears that they were gold diggers and useless to society for staying home and depending on a man taking care of them.
People want to feel they’re doing something productive.
Man: what is feminism?
Woman: it's about equality(of outcome)
M: do you think women should have the right to abortion?
W: Yes! They do. It's their right to choose. All women have this right and its good.
M: if you are for equality, then shouldn't men also have a right to abortion?
W: no. It's womens bodies so...
M: then how can you say you are for equality?
W: look, I want equality, but...
M: then abortion shouldn't be a right.
W: what?
M: put conditions for the privilege, but its not a right, unless you aren't for equality.
W: you bigot.
M: I'm just asking for more equality. Do you not want more equality?
W: you're just trying to oppress women.
M: women have all their rights. How are women oppressed when they can kill their child?
W: it's the patriarchy's fault.
M: the patriarchy is giving women rights but taking men's away.
W: reeee..
The current paradigm presumes all relationships are about power, not reciprocity . And it presumes that authority is about control, not competence or care. Ergo the end goal in life becomes superiority. Piety and honour is flipped and replaced by sanctimony and scorn.
Immense respect for your videos, wish I knew more people like you
This video reminds me of something David Foster Wallace said:
"Because here's something else that's weird but true: in the day-to day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship-be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles-is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It's the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you. On one level, we all know this stuff already. It's been codified as myths, proverbs, clichés, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness."
Thank you a lot for this extract, may I please know where this quote is taken from?
@@broscastefano fs.blog/2012/04/david-foster-wallace-this-is-water/
@@broscastefano You're welcome! Like the other user wrote, it's from This Is Water. I believe he also talks about it in an interview called "David Foster Wallace unedited interview (2003)
" here on RUclips, which is really good.
@@coreylcrosby Thank you Corey
Really thought provoking. Such a great feeling to have the light shone on the unconscious mechanisms.
Thank you for this valuable information. People need to realize that we are living in the upside down, the inversion. As you mentioned, there is never true equality, as we are all different.
Wow, this video was so helpful. Jonathan's unique clarity of thought helps me tremendously to grasp the ideas and understand human behaviour. If such videos became viral we could have a very benefitial discussion in society. Thank you Jonathan
What would you say is the normal or traditional relationship between the sexes in terms of submission and hierarchy? The obvious answer would be that the woman submits to the man, who owns the house and provides its name. But insofar as the man protects and provides, he also serves the woman, and his readyness to sacrifice himself for her implies that she is more valuable than him. So do they both submit to each other, are they at the top of different hierarchies?
You raise an interesting idea. The idea of “mutual submission” has been one that I’ve thought makes sense.
This may not be a symmetric relationship, he to her and her to him. The marriage is the principle both man and woman must submit to.
"The greatest among you shall be your servant."
Oh, that's why it felt so good to come back to Christianity and submit myself to the authority of the Church, which I rejected for most of my life and deemed all the practices as useless and boring, just like the Karate Kid.
Your Ascent of Alexander merch is dope! I'll be getting some Christmas gifts from your store.
14:38 "...The very mechanisms of democracy and equality... [is] what brings about inversion."
Great topic. Going to rewatch and think about it.
take notes too and add in your own thoughts with it.
"We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I met you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master."
Would you say that men not submitting themselves to God is the same problem as a woman not submitting herself to a man/husband above her? (In both cases it's the failure of the feminine/earth below to submit itself to the masculine/heaven above.) The example that occurs to me is: men inventing technologies without proper higher purpose ended up producing birth control & abortion technologies that "freed" women from their traditional feminine roles.
Lisa Parrott Big Brain
In my personal opinion, yes, I would say so. No matter how capable and good a woman happens to be, her life will be made easier with the presence of a good man. Same goes for a man needing God. No matter how good the man may be, without God, he will only be able to achieve so much in life.
The god above is not a ruler or a creator, in the western sense of the christian doctrine. The central intelligence is comprised of all human thoughts and feelings and the entirety of the universe. The opposition between yin and yang is always secretly unity, the secret that you are the god head, only you're playing at being little old me with all your problems and concerns and questions.
@Electro_blob Who is asking the question? Who are YOU, really? Suppose you had the power to dream any dream you wanted. I wonder, what would you dream?
ruclips.net/video/wU0PYcCsL6o/видео.html
This is one of those "I'm currently too stupid too compute this non-nonsense nonsense." sorts of questions.
Another classic film example of Master and Student was "The Mask of Zorro" (1998) with Anthony Hopkins and Antonio Banderas. It was really enjoyable because both male characters were vital heterosexuals. The older Hopkins teaches the eager but clumsy Banderas how to win the love of a beautiful woman. Sadly, they don't make films like that any more.
You formulated excelently the mechanism of how equality turns into inversion. Made it look crystal clear. Thank you for your work as always.
The Commandment "Honor Thy Father and Mother' is not just about your parents.
I liked your video on inversion and the necessity of Carnival in Medieval Europe.
This channel is epic. Love the sacred symbolism and metaphysics. It’s a breath of fresh air from the much vaunted rationality that dominates our zeitgeist.
So you're saying that the motivation to equalize the natural hierarchies comes from hubris, and the equalization ends up producing a hierarchy it's own, by inverting the natural one.
Isn't that what happened with French Revolution? From Feudalism to Capitalism? What did the revolutionaries wanted? Equality!
Lookin' well groomed sir
carver's cut ;)
Stop objectifying him
ponytail Pageau is back
He reminds me of the Saint Francis of Assisi. There is a sculpture in our village church which looks exactly like him :)
Would he hold his hand with two fingers stretched (gesture of teaching), he could be mistaken with a traditional image of some saint.
@@Vention1MGTOW he liked the comment. speak for yourself, control freak.
I always thought that the idea of equality that's being literally pushed on us is equality of poverty and equality of gender as in sterilisation
You mean like how Christ was a destitute wanderer who survived entirely on others’ hospitality, preached about the blessings of poverty, and never married? Or like the vows that monks and nuns take? Poverty and chastity are considered virtues in the Christian tradition for good reasons.
@@sophiaschier-hanson4163 look up "soviet famine"
@@stevengoodfellow Interwar period history is a personal passion of mine, actually! Between that and the fact that I'm Orthodox, needless to say there is NO love lost for Stalin or Stalinism here!
@@sophiaschier-hanson4163 those are VOLUNTARY or a result of persecution, you don't invite totalitarians into your civilization to force it
@@TheMhouk2 Then it's a good thing that our society tries to do everything it can to help anyone who has been forced into poverty (and Christian charities do even more), that the government can't force anyone to use birth control or any other kind of hormone treatment (unlike 40-80 years ago in the days of eugenics and chemical castration), and that it isn't and will never be any of the government or any other powerful person's business who (if anyone) we choose to marry or have children with. Nobody, to my knowledge, is calling for any of that to change. If anybody ever does there'll be a million very angry people marching on Washington to stop them. That said, Christianity is a rather ascetic faith that teaches us not to put our trust in material things or earthly power, and I think we can agree that society would be the better for it if more people promoted Christian values like humility and charity. =)
I think your portrayal of hierarchy is very idealised. The masters in the stories you selected are deeply invested in the growth of their students. In reality most hierarchies are far more alienated.
jakx2ob Maybe some teachers don’t care about their students. Maybe some parents don’t care about their children. Maybe some pastors don’t care about their flock. Could it be because these bad mentors only care about themselves? Maybe the teacher cares more about their paycheck. Maybe the parent cares more about doing drugs. Maybe the priest only cares about his own personal gain.
Where is the fault? I do not think said alienation is a result of the hierarchy, but of a breaking of the hierarchy. Our mentors forgetting or not knowing where they are in the hierarchy.
Suffice to say, hierarchy is natural to human interactions, and even SJWs, despite idealizing parity, compete to be the "woke-est" in the hierarchy...
That was great. Instead of desiring "freedom" to do whatever, better is freedom from sin. Instead of denying the existence of hierarchies because it's frustrating to feel like the loser, it's better to reflect on why Christ came into the world not with high status but in a lowly place.
St. Ephram's prayer helps keep in check the temptation to seek power...
Only under an infallible and all-loving entity such as God can we all be truly equal. No secular standard can ever be sufficient to make everyone equal, because our eyes can only see the physical merits and attributes of another person and not the spirit at their core. In a purely secular system, we would base equality on something tangible and worldly, but this is doomed to fail since the tangible and worldly aspects of fellow humans is so often unequal and variable. Since every human is different in their merits and attributes, someone will always be left out. That’s why true equal value requires something beyond that which we can see, unchanging and always ordered towards the Good.
That such an amazing observation that a (perhaps very strong) driver of behavior for modern westerners (especially modern men) is this desire to *SEE* the performance of tradition values, but not be the *performer* of the values themselves because of our conflicting desire for modern equality. This probably relates to the phenomenon of fear mongering through claiming that "if we let such and such foreign group into the mainstream that they'll rape our women", namely the mapping of a desire to do the more pathological acts within traditional values, but definitely not to actually *do* them, and to label them as the behaviors befitting those who are anti-modern or anti-West. Basically a sort of cuckolding on a societal level.
Seems to be what happened with empiricim in philosophy as well. We put away abstract Forms to give all our attention to discrete manifestations. Now all there is is particles, and no mind.
And now it's starting to flip.
@Jonathan Pageau I've come to believe, through research, that Wonder Woman is based upon "Wonder" in the bible.
Also, Alice in Wonderland, etc.
Proverbs 31 woman is actually a prophecy of a Warrior Woman of Truth & Justice.
She is Lady Wisdom.
Absolutely. You have read how the Old Testament describes Wisdom. .. She is described as the fear of God itself. She laughs at misfortune brought on by folly. She's ferocious. All for the purpose of re-union of God in man.
'Eat of this tree and ye shall be like God...' Equality was a lie from the get-go.
This.
And somehow Adam is responsible for Eve eating the apple....
The devil's bargain is compelling someone to that they must make a choice when they have no need to.
Not so much an outright lie as a partial truth. Adam & Eve did indeed become "like God" by acquiring the knowledge of good and evil, but sometimes knowledge isn't as empowering as it seems ... if at all.
The Torah has many levels of interpretation The literal story is very superficial and that's been a tremendous problem in our culture
The synthesis of the hierarchy and the inversion is the baphomet. That seems to be the future ideal. But I'm looking through a glass darkly.
Ian Galbraith Well distilled/encapsulated 👏🏻
Well said. However, viewed through a bigger lens, these inversions appear overcorrections to the excesses of yesteryear. I'm the 50s, McCarthyism fired swaths of communists in Hollywood. Today, swaths of communists in Hollywood fire their comrades for not being communist enough. Same to be said for gender roles. Now the men are charged with cooking while the women are ingloriously gender-picked to staff the entire cabinets in the Netherlands, Sweden, and boardrooms. There is, however, a biological reality that informs social and power relations, and it is a hell of a lot closer to the one we had in the west in the 1950s than people like to think.
DrLimbic agreed. And that biological reality, devoid of Grace is best observed in the social structure of the Muslim Middle East, which is the boogy man of the late 20th and 21st century.
@@ianngalbraith haha. Indeed all orthodox cultures that have survived millennia preserve social structures and social roles we now call traditional and Gen Z calls outdated.
Exactly. "Lets hope that they don't use this consciously" no, lets face that they've been using this for ages and their Agenda is near finished. This is lucifer's path of Rebellion and inversion. The more suppressed the notion of service be, the easier to lead people in this forsaken dark type of service to still the desire. God bless you all
Stories are meant to be viewed and understood as reflections of our inner being. The underdog story is so appealing because, like in Karate Kid, it is heart / true strength that comes from beneath to overtake hubris / fake strength, under the direction of the master.
To get caught up in the social aspects of the story is to miss the boat. Even in the 'woman kicking men's butts' stories. Just approach it from the perspective that the woman is Spirit, because as we know, with God we can move mountains.
That's another way of looking at it, but to only see that side, which is rather obvious, to ignore the subversive side, is failing to see that the boat is headed towards hell.
Id C The boat is headed toward hell no more than it has ever been. We are in a perpetual mess because we cannot see beyond our 'earthly' hangups in order to learn how to rise in spirit. Same way people read the Bible in a literal way and get hung up on the historic and cultural aspects instead of gleaning the inner spiritual and psychological teaching.
Pageau obviously has this topic close to his heart.
Great video - so much good info - thank you! Keep sharing the truth.
Excellent observation. Thank you for sharing.
Great, Jonathan. The good version of the inversion should happen when the hierarchy that exists does not match the ontological hierarchy. So the commander who is wildly overbearing is denying his authoritative station and thus should be demoted.
Great video, thank you! I would like to add that the first trope of being part of a hierarchy should be the family structure, which sadly is for the most part destroyed nowadays... Our actual structure of capitalism isn't progressing anymore, but we still crave a working hierarchy. That might be the root of all the other problems we have right now. Cheers!
Very good explanation, loved it. Makes perfect sense! TY for your videos, always eye opening.
Insightful, thanks. I'm trying to grapple with what conclusions I can take from this.
Equality is important, but an equality of sameness denies the existence, and value of, power relationships?
Edit: In another video, I note Jonathan explains that we shouldn't judge the feminine in masculine ways, i.e. in pyramids, so weirdly it's both not judging women by masculine hierarchies and also not denying the value of masculine hierarchies, like when boys are discouraged from competitive play. It's appears paradoxical that society is making both these mistakes at the same time.
The solution to our current dilemma is... To recognise that *individuals* are members of multiple pyramids simultaneously and that men and women can naturally gravitate to the top of different hierarchies? Through equality we are denying women being the best (or a good enough) mother, or best (or good enough) at bringing communities together, or... many things that are now considered stereotypical and sexist to associate with the female gender. So feminism has stripped women of their traditional power base? In other words, the only way women can now be equal is by climbing male pyramids, because we've devalued the things women traditionally have been good at?
This fits in with the narrative that power comes only from corruption and not from value. If you have something of value to offer, then you are needed, that gives you power.
Dude, you are so incredibly helpful. Praise God for revealing Truth through the Son.
Happy being a female with my strengths and my weaknesses...Attracted to men because of their strengths - notable differences...and their vulnerabilities.
Another good example of submission to a higher level of the hierarchy would be at the bridge of Khazad-dûm, where Gandalf presents himself as "a servant of the secret fire".
This is actually very interesting to me.
I believe we are not equal, but before the law we should be treated as equally as possible.
In a symbolic sense we're also equal in the sense that we will all stand and be judged before God no matter who we are, though the judgements are not equal, because we are not equal and have not lived equal lives.
There's a sense in modern movies that the ones who have suffered the most have automatically earned happiness, gratification and power even without having shown any virtue.
There's also a trend of the protagonist escaping or being rescued out of their difficult circumstances to pursue some higher calling instead of making their own situation better WHERE THEY ARE. Look at Harry Potter, Moana, the Frozen movies, it's all about "you're suffering so you just have to leave, you're destined for something more" instead of learning to walk through your trials and tribulations.
Contrast this with The Lion King. The whole movie is about learning to not escape your difficult past, but learning from it and taking on the responsibilities you have been given.
Or Shawshank redemption. The protagonist is probably in the worst situation a human can be, but he isn't rescued out by some magic force, he slowly and patiently makes his own life and surroundings better, and even though he escapes, he doesn't just abandon the rest of the prison to their fate.
Hollywood is becoming more and more morally bankrupt.
Kristoffer Johnsen Tremendous insight. Thanks for this clarity.
@@TheMeaningCode Thanks. It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately.
@@DenGuleBalje , I don't believe it can be overstated just how powerful a medium hollywood and media actually are. Something that most of society almost entirely overlooks and simply accepts without much care or thought. I suggest hollywood is not "becoming" morally bankrupt, but has always been a corrosive force. After all, it was hollywood types that fought for "free" speech when it suited them in order to progress certain ideologies and the sexualization of society and it is those same types that now term some speech "hate" speech, because it suits them, in order to curb dissent. I don't think hollywood is becoming anything other than it's always been.
@@krs2711 Well if you notice, I never said they weren't morally bankrupt before.
That word, problematic. It's become such a problematic word. Every time I hear it, I cringe, even when used properly in a sentence. Lol. Thanks, SJW culture.
“it will be enough to say in passing, by way of a parable, that when we say that all pennies are equal, we do not mean that they all look exactly the same. We mean that they are absolutely equal in their one absolute character, in the most important thing about them. It may be put practically by saying that they are coins of a certain value, twelve of which go to a shilling. It may be put symbolically, and even mystically, by saying that they all bear the image of the King. And, though the most mystical, it is also the most practical summary of equality that all men bear the image of the King of Kings.” - G.K. Chesterton
Thank you, Master.
Underdogs reset heiarchies by pointing out unearned, unworthy, and unfit authority. An underdog generally has divine authority to fulfill his purpose rather than the man made authority at the top of the hierarchy.
Sure, if the underdog in question is virtuous and his struggle is legitimately righteous. However, many of them are just envious malcontents who want what they haven't earned at the expense of those who have.
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@@ZekeMan62 you can't just dismiss these people as envious malcontents.
Many do have a legitimate beef. Unfortunately, it's misdirected. The system, when faced with real opposition, has a clever defense mechanism of sending in the clowns. When teachers and public workers started rumbling about their pensions and earned benefits in the 2000s, scruffy Occupy Wall Street types were created. When low wage workers began asking for better wages, they sent in the professional women complaining about the gender wage gap to subvert their movement. This is an old hustle.
Bootlickers will love the new order that's coming. It will be the ultimate beehive with woman as queen and the opressed as the foot soldiers. The buses will run on time like never before. This inversion is too set up this system and redirect opposition.
This is a well-intentioned question:
Aren't the examples you cited of a satisfying submission ultimately oriented toward equality? The teacher-student, master-apprentice relation is designed to move the lower to the higher in the proper manner. If so, the desire for equality is not necessarily the problem. Submission to Christ, for example, is framed as a "growing up into the head" of the individuals comprising his body. He is also said to be the "author and perfector" of our spiritual lives. This seems to mean that a "normal" hierarchy is not self-justifying, but is justified insofar as it brings its members up instead of keeping them down.
shotinthedark90 Great question. Life is constantly in flux. Hierarchy becomes equality which can become inversion which then becomes hierarchy.
great video , ive watched a good sample of your videos but this video ties a lot of the motivations together for me. Im still curious to explore of how self aware movie making people are these days?, im guessing to a certain extent they are like trains on a set of tracks , their movie choices are inevitable given the premises they start with. Using an example of Ray in Star Wars, could they have made the movie where she submits to a master or does that just rubs feminists the wrong way? , she has to start perfect
I had fun making a video about that commercial in the thumbnail, you should show the whole thing people can't believe how silly it is.
The word “submission” has a negative connotation. It has become synonymous in some sectors with accepting defeat, conducting your life in a way that sits uncomfortably within your heart...This is why it is met in the mind with rejection.
It’s bad branding.
What resonates with people are the ideas that we are capable, excellent, and meant to be great. Nothing else will do...
'Pledging Loyalty' might be better, I suppose
Tis a gift to be simple ‘tis a gift to be free, ‘‘tis a gift to come down where we ought to be. And when find ourselves in the place just right, ‘Twil be in the garden of love and delight.
Beautiful ideas, thank you!!
sounds like more jewish smoke and mirrors
maskull How false, nasty, and wrong headed of you. Orthodox Christianity is sacrosanct. You’re dark web, anti-Jewish sentiment is shallow, weak, and without warrant.
Hierarchy should be earned, not written. And "last shall be first and first shall be last"...
As always so insightful. Deferral to authority is definitely something instinctual, to be taken care of, and to be afforded freedom and certainty.
I also think equality, as you say, prevents thought, and is in no way a desirable end goal. It is only ever desirable to those who wish to challenge heirarchy and deflect judgement.
The denial of the validity of hierarchies leads to the inversion of hierarchies.
Watching your videos os like seeing behind the curtains. Awesome!
Thanks Jonathan
We are living the Hegelian social paradigm. This is caused by projecting the basic mechanism of anxiety: paradoxical motive and aversion. Motive is actualized by aversion. This is an internal function that can be be sublimated then projected upon the social sphere. You can read this in Grey and McNaughton Neuro psychology of anxiety. Thus dualistic roles tend to assert their reality through negating the other. This is the machinism of inversion, the occupation of the space of the other by negation of the social convention (The role) of the other. This negation is the attempt to integrate one's aversion by subjecting the antithesis to one's conception of the other's supposed perception of aversion to that of one's self perception of aversion.This is Hegel to the core.
This video was helpful in bringing the question to light, but not to the understanding!!! Fascinating. Another "slower" video might be in order!
Thanks!! I'll be watching it again for sure. Is this subject related to qlippoth?
I really like this except the interpretation of the underdog trope. I see it more as a manifestation of our desire for what's best to take it's rightful place at the top. Jesus was an underdog. Underdogs rising up is a sign of a world continually straightening itself out. I think people love seeing that at a deep level. I know I do.
It's totally different if the underdog is actually inferior and takes over. That's just destruction, people don't like seeing that and in a movie they'll watch until it gets set right. (I.e. Rocky 3 or Dune)
@Jonathan, just before your vidro a commercisl for avast played and it featured a couple where the female was warning the male about security threats with downloading an app to his phone without using Avast and he ignored and of course he was immediatly compromised and made to look the fool.
" I always thought that was just what it was. I thought it was in their souls that people were equal."
" You were mistaken; that is the last place where they are equal. Equality before the law, equality of incomes- that is very well. Equality guards life; it doesn't make it. It is medicine, not food." [C S Lewis]
Have you seen those illustrated Lewis videos? He was the first thinker I ever admired, and after all this time I still admire him the most.
@@khatharrmalkavian3306 - I love watching the Lewis Doodles over and over again. Read "Orthodoxy" by G K Chesterton to see where Lewis got his clarity of thought and logic from, especially chapter 3 which, clearly and succinctly, puts all these modern intellectual giant ego's like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris in their true perspective.
thank you Mr. Pageau
Loved this!
This is such a great idea, but it really is so hard to get across to folks who aren't already halfway to it, (especially if they shutdown as soon as they think any sort of reference to male vs female portrayals are sexist, problematic, etc) do you have any books recommendations that extrapolate these ideas? And don't be afraid to recommend something because its too hard haha I bet a lot of folks who watch your material could handle a challenging philosophical read, and it would do them some good too.
The Dog shows us what God wants us to be. It's even hidden in the name. We all LOVE dogs for their "unconditional loyalty." That a dog (unlike it's sister the cat,) will remain faithful TO HIS MASTER (which happily is often us,) and that is all that is expected of us. Trust you will get food and water. Trust you will be given adequate shelter. Trust. A dog will DIE courageously protecting his master. It's in his blood, where God put it. And it's in us.
GOD => Man => Dog. Sweet little heirarchy.
Fascinating!
Isn’t the concept of the trinity based on equality between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Yet Jesus said the Father is greater than I. So is the concept of the Trinity’s equality the cause for the inversion that created The Fall/ Satan, with Christ’s attitude of submission the remedy? If so, would that mean the concept of equality originated in Heaven thereby creating the rebellion that led St Michael to battle Lucifer causing him to be banished from heaven?
So if it’s true that the concept of equality originated in Heaven and the remedy worked out on Earth, it would support the idea that salvation not only comes through Christ alone but that the remedy is final as in his last words, “It is finished.”
It is interesting that tradition has St Peter crucified on an inverted cross.
You gave me a lot to think about. Thank you.
Would you love someone if they were completely the same individual? It would be very difficult, since real love cannot be self-centered.
Christianity is a religion with a sane view on love; it professes difference and inequality as absolutely necessary for love to exist. And that is how Christians understand the workings of the Godhead as well. Equality in Heaven would only lead to the rebellion you mentioned, since it is an inversion of the Hierarchy, much like the video describes.
Remember that there mystery of the Holy Trinity consist of "One God, three Divine Persons", so while yes, they are three divine persons, these three are one God. Also, Jesus is God made man, so in its nature of being man, while he still is God, it isn't as all-encompassing as his Divine Nature is. Of course, Jesus encompasses all creation within itself so there's nothing else besides his own Divine Nature, the Divine Spirit that is God, that surpasses him.
thank you
Equal in a sense that we all play a part but there is a hierarchy in nature, their is a hierarchy of man, there is a hierarchy in moralities.
We are not all the same.
Everything we call higher culture is the spiritualizing and intensifying of cruelty. These experiences of de evolution have not been kind to the overman the higher man. It hasn't been survival of the fittest, it has been survival of the most.
But everything is about to change Very Soon.
Is there no way for the king and the queen to be equal?
So there’s moments where it seems to me that you get stuck in tradition instead of symbolism.
The traditional is static. It can not change.
The symbolic is fluid. It can evolve over time.
I believe the Hero Myth is flawed. To go back and save what you can from your fallen father is right, to return home and rectify the kingdom is right.
But each of us is made of two beings. Our mother, as well as our father, has given us tools to face this world.
For every problem, our brain naturally has two responses.
We go back and save the fallen father, yet we forget to even look at what our mother has given us.
Why is Luke and Leia’s mother a poorly fleshed-out mannequin of a person? What influence has she had on the personalities of her children from deep within their genes?
This is the piece missing in the hero myth.
1+1=3
No, the queen is always below the queen, necessarily. Why would you even want it otherwise?
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I’m assuming you meant the king is always above the queen.
I think this hierarchical idea is flawed because, if you are a man, it subconsciously makes you lean towards emulating the behavior of your father, no matter what.
“This is how a man acts”. Well...not necessarily.
What I’m trying to bring forth is the idea that the adaptations that made YOU successful enough to survive to be here today don’t come come from only the king in your mind. They come from the Father AND the Mother.
To put one over the other is to risk making the wrong decisions (as Luke does) simply because you refuse to align with a subconsciously inferior individual.
If you see yourself as the king (and we all do to some extent), then taking the perspective of a queen could make you weak. Because she is apparently beneath you.
But that’s a terrible mistake to make, as far as I can tell.
The queen sees what you can’t.
Any functional military is an authority based hierarchy.
We are already as equal as we can possibly be as children of God. It is only some humans who use measuring sticks of various sorts that sees inequality. In addition, some souls have fallen farther than others, and separation from God, while not taking away from our essence, can block our abilities. This doesn't make us unequal, but it can make us more or less limited through our own choices.
3:06 Obviously, two religions contradicting each other and both claiming to be revealed by God, like Judaism and Christianity, cannot both be true. And therefore cannot be equal.
Adherents of each may be equal under the law, but they do not have an ultimately equal right to make policy. Julian the Apostate is not the equal of Constantine.
Azaña is not the equal of Franco.
There are different dispensations. To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ecclesiastes 3:1 the conditions changed after sacrifice of jesus christ.
@@robertdoucet1207 With "Judaism" I was not referring to Second Temple Judaism, I was referring to Rabbinic Judaism without a Temple having rejected Christ.
That is a false religion and it is not the old dispensation, though on some points it contains a museum of it.
Judaism denies revelation and denies order it also is not what it larps under false face to be, anyone studying true history sees that and the facts are self evident its a post AD creation with seeds in madness escorted out of Babylon
@@movingurbanly4346 More or less something like that, at least some of that is its worst aspects or worst potential aspects (not realised in every Jew).
@@hglundahl oh ok
I've watched a lot of your content recently and I've gotten a lot out of it. I wonder if you have any content that talks about the abuse of hierarchical structures. Not just fascism and communism but more on a micro scale, for example child abuse, spousal abuse or clerical abuse. I animate your explanation that these have all increased due to the alienation of modernism. I concede that point but we also know these "monsters" have always been lurking inside the city walls. Finally how would you address those of us that have had experience with these or don't otherwise trust traditional hierarchical structures? If you already have content on this subject or know those who do please point me toward it. Thank you so much for what you do.
@13:46 The definition of cuckold includes deception as does cheating in a sexual sense. Infidelity is the practice of having sexual relations with some being outside of the established relationship. No one wants to be cheated on. But some find it exciting to see sexual acts by a spouse performed by another, with another. I agree with Jonathan in describing this as "disturbing."
The child and the mother, perhaps the most beautiful and pure form of submission known to man in this world.
"Equality is a lie to appease the masses" - Some sith lords
Appease weak masses
Brilliant!