In the cruise industry, a head of security jumping to captain isn't uncommon. What often happens is someone has all the courses done to quality as captain, but no captain positions are open. So the person applies for another position to get their foot in the door, and waits for a captain position to open up. Then they can apply for it, and have a better chance at getting it, because the company is hiring from within. Though, why he got to captain the half a billion dollar cruise ship with his track record of accidents is another matter.
From my understanding, those prior accidents were not due to his incompetence. (I'm no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt). However, there had been some minor red flags of him violating safety protocols in the past...
Actually the Concord plane did very well until that crash in France, even then it was the only accident on that plane's record, so it does deserve to be lumped with Concord the game and the disaster prone Concordia.
The problem with "I would just swim" is that at that height, jumping to the water might render you unconcious and even kill you. Those boats are extremely tall. Professionals jump from similar distances after years of training. And then if you fall to close to the ship, which is sinking, it will drag you down. A sinking ship is a vortex that no human can scape on their own. It drags water with it, and the water drags you. Now this ship was not sinking to fast, but it is enough to put you underwater, in complete darkness, for you to start to swim sideways or even downwards and die. Anyone who has been force down knows how easy it is to disorient yourself underwater, especially at night, when you do not even have light to possibly find the correct direction. And on top of that, you are in the dark and near the rocks. You can either crack yourself in one, the waves may do it, you may drown, etc. Also, even if it looks close, that is a massive distance to swim for most people. Even in daylight and with water glasses it is quite an exercise session. At night, needing to keep your head above the water to seek the direction, etc? At least an hour of very precarious, very exhausting swimming. And that is not even taking into account things like hypothermia, the weight of your wet clothing that drags you, etc. In summary, it is one of those things that look much simpler than it actually is.
im sorry but i read this like a video game loading screen tip in a pirate game or like, when you click "what are some rumors you've heard?" as a dialogue option on a random npc in a bar
I remember seeing a comment on the video saying that he was only head of security until a captain position opened up for him, some maritime channel here on the tube who reacted to the video mentions that it is common practice by these commercial cruise companies to do such things
It happens often, their is only so many ships to captain, so to keep the captain's to be busy until a position opens up they work other jobs on the ships. Same for the engineering field, untill a position opens up the already trained and certified persons work jobs they are already overqualified for.
Yup, and he was a competent captain, until there was an emergency situation. Then he crumbled under pressure. That's how the previous crashes happened too. He had a record, but Costa Concierge somehow decided it would be cheaper to cover for him and keep him on, rather than, say, hiring qualified crew, or at least training them thoroughly and insisting on them following procedure. But at least they did regular evacuation drills so the passengers knew where muster stations were.
Yes, this is correct and I believe IH discussed it on his second channel. Schettino had captained large vessels for many years before taking the helm of Concordia and he was actually very experienced. However, the moment shit hit the fan, he choked completely and dozens of innocent lives were lost. All that experience doesn't mean shit if you can't use it when it matters.
@@BNuts Huh, I thought his other two crashes were minimal and to be expected considering the respective circumstances (according to SailorVince). Like, the bit the captain destroyed because he hit something in a harbor was due to bad weather IIRC. Can I also say that I love how you called the company "Costa Concierge"?
the true heroes of the story are the engineers under deck that tried to keep the power to the ship for as long as possible, risking their own lives in the process. As someone that did these jobs for limited amount of time, i respect that a lot. as machinist, engineers, mechanics our job is to keep the vehicles we work on running for as long as possible. now i work with trucks so... nice video
It should be noted that while the Captain does indeed belong in Jail, the rest of the crew were given effectively slaps on the wrists by comparison. (Hell they let the Helmsman escape twice) because it was effectively a PR Trial and made the Captain out as the sole bad actor in the event to cover up the multiple grievous errors the other people involved did. (The First Officer lied about saying there was confusion over who was in command, he was VIDEO RECORDED acknowledging the Captain was in command when he arrived on the bridge, which he also went against authority when he corrected the Helmsman when relaying the wrong direction coordinates, The Third Officer not relaying directional positions, and the Helmsman for being vastly underqualified.) Effectively he was a scapegoat for every problem, not just the ones he caused because Italy didn't want word spreading about how corrupt their cruise industry is because it's a main souce of income for them. All of this is taken from IH's Q&A on Incognito Mode.
@@boxtank5288 You don't need an excuse to get rid of a fuckup who's done that, they didn't give a flying fuck about how good of a job he did until it became a PR nightmare for the company.
Generally speaking, as the Captain of the ship, Schettino is responsible for EVERYTHING that happens on board. So if his crew is garbage, it's his fault for not commanding properly. Literally none of this would have happened if HE didn't decide "Hey let's get as CLOSE to the shore as possible." The rest were given lighter sentences because they threw Schettino under the bus, which isn't uncommon. Of course Carnival Cruises getting off scott free, stock dip not withstanding, was a grievous example of Italy's really corrupt legal system. So yeah, the captain wasn't the sole bad guy, but considering he WAS the captain AND considering he refused to call an emergency when there was one, PLUS he ditched his passengers AND crew, plus he didn't even help anyone after abandoning ship, yeah I think in MOST countries the rest of the crew would get preferred treatment if they testified. Cause any court would want to BURY this guy.
Regarding the rant at 59:05 about stealing traffic cones, here's a fun bit of trivia: the icon for VLC Media Player is a cone because there was a tradition of stealing cones in the university of the French students who built this program. They then used a cone picture for error messages, and it eventually became the official logo.
Cкотина = Animal, usually referring to livestock. Though as an insult it obviously becomes sth like "You fucking animal". Usually refers to someone acting dishonorably to the point of not worthy of being called a human anymore. Can be therefore, as you said, used for cowards, scoundrels and the likes. So yeah, fits XD
En Español, Schettino sounds like cochino (Co-cheen-no) meaning "filthy, dirty or pig" usually refers to perverted men or those of dishonorable conduct.
Guess what also sucks that I learned from another reactor? The watertight doors are supposed to be tested weekly (Not sure if legal standard or just a 'best practice'). Yes, you can still have a failure, but #12's jam was most likely preventable. Maybe some of the casualties wouldn't have died if some basic procedure had been followed.
They're not really designed to work at a heavy list-nothing on these ships actually is, because normally, as officer of the watch, you shouldn't ever be in a position where a heavy list can even develop prior to the doors being closed. It's a case where the decision was actually made (even by the most vigilant safety watchdogs) that no further engineering could ever really compensate for the old "problem between keyboard and chair" bug.
For more context on the Cost of Concordia, I would suggest Sailor Vince's reaction of IH's video to get a navy coastguard's view on the ship, the situation, and likely how most navy and coastguard view cruise ships. (Which would explain why I've never heard of anyone in any navy on a cruise ship... now that I think about it, that says alot)
"Going down with the ship" in mordern times isn't actually "Going down with the ship". When you have free communication with the sea, you immediately call for rescue and abandone ship, for whenever reason, he refused. Those lives would have been saved had he acted sooner. All of them. No one was killed in the initial impact but everyone died as a result of his inaction and stupidity.
I think it is still generally expected that the captain stays onboard to coordinate the evacuation until either it's complete or the coast guard says they don't need him there anymore. Obviously this captain didn't do that.
Speaking of captains abandoning their ships: Joseph Clark has to be near the top of the list. He abandoned about 1,000 passengers on _SS Jedah_ , and reported her sunk. But the passengers took charge of the engineering crew, and sailed into port, towed, later. Yeah, lie exposed. Yiannis Avranas and his bridge crew abandoned _Oceanos_ after she started to sink, and never told anyone else what was happening. In fact, they took their belongings and more lifeboats than they needed. And only the best covered lifeboats, too. This left entertainment staff, including guitarist Moss Hill to check out the bridge, which was empty, and then get in touch with the coast guard and coordinate a rescue. Hill would use this experience later to help evacuate a second ship. Byron Voutsinas was captain of _SS Yarmouth Castle_ , and he and many of his crew abandoned it while burning. Captain Brown's _Bahama Star_ spotted the smoke, ordered full steam, and on finding the other ship's captain, forced him back aboard to help with the evacuation. Which was already a disaster because lifeboats were being lowered half-empty, occupied mostly by crew, and passengers still on deck were begging for lifejackets. Ninety people died. _Scandinavian Star_ is unfortunately a very similar story, with the added detail that the ship was in very poor condition when Hugo Larsen abandoned it. Lee Joon-seok and his bridge crew were the first to leave _MV Sewol_ , a South Korean ferry that capsized because she was overloaded with both vehicles and cargo, none of which was tied down, and passengers, many of whom were school children on a day trip. _Sewol_ has below minimal ballast, with the pumps not functioning on the ageing and ill-maintained ship, when she was made to perform a turn more than 5 degrees sharp, and slowly capsized. Making things infinitely worse, a repeating automated message told passengers to remain in their rooms, and the kids trusted the adults to do the right thing. Meanwhile, coast guard refused to board and look for passengers, instead waiting for people to come out on deck. Nor would they allow foreign ships to render aid. In the end, civilian vessels that were nearby rescued more people than the Coast Guard did. And similar to Schettino, Lee tried to disguise himself by getting out of his uniform. It didn't work. Theories abound about why government officials stalled on both the rescue and the subsequent investigation, but it took so long and efforts were so incompetent, that nothing could be proven. Parents were infuriated, though, in particular because their children were sending them texts and calls in their final moments, so they knew not everyone had been rescued. In direct contrast, Charles Butler McVay III must be mentioned as a victim of brutal office politics. _USS Indianapolis_ was ordered to sail through an area known to be patrolled by Japanese submarines, without being told there were submarines, and without an escort, so his ship would be sunk. McVay survived, and was court marshalled, and would later take his own life over the tragedy. The circumstances of the _Indianapolis_ sinking would only be uncovered much later, clearing McVay too late. Lists of cowardly captains do, tragically, still include him.
Someone should make a big documentary about the Sewol but it's such a depressing story that most production companies won't touch it. No one wants to watch a story about hundreds of kids dying. Not to mention that the huge bungling that the South Korean government did would raise a huge can of worms.
Then there's Captains William Turner and James Clarke Anderson of RMS _Lusitania._ Sent into the southern mouth of the Irish Channel, where the British Imperial Navy Intelligence Office had confirmed at least one Imperial German submarine was patrolling and attacking everything without warning; given only a vague warning to "watch for periscopes", in no particular area or timeframe; forced to sail at half speed to conserve fuel, leaving them unable to outrun any U-boat even if they did see it in time. Anderson was killed in the ensuing attack, along with over a thousand innocent passengers and crew, and the Navy Intelligence Office conspired to frame Turner for treason as a cover-up to elude responsibility for their active decision to put the ship in danger, specifically to get American civilians killed and force the US into WWI on the Entente side. The fact that the old myth about hidden bombs in the cargo hold would actually be _less_ dishonourable for those in charge really highlights how fucking dirty the whole affair was.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Still, everyone still wonders what _Lusitania_ could have been carrying that a single torpedo was enough to sink the liner. What was it that caused that secondary explosion? Not small arms, surely.
@@BNuts coal dust. That one's been solved for about forty years by now. Now she did have some illegal shit aboard (as the 2015 disclosures confirmed), but nothing that could have caused an explosion, and none of the specific articles the Imperial German Naval Intelligence Office claimed.
@@Overflight01Brick Immortar has an excellent Two-Part documentary series on the MV Sewol Disaster of 2014, where he details not only the horrific cowardice of the bridge crew and Captain "Cкотина" Lee Jun-seok but also the Vile, Corrupt bojinyeondeul (yes, that's poorly written Korean for "pussybitches")that are the entire representative counsel of the Republic of Korea's Government, particularly the then-president of the country, Park Geun-hye, who was later impeached as a direct result of the catastrophe in 2017. As it turned out she was AWOL for 7 HOURS after the vessel sank.
Italian here, i remember when going to the Cote D'azur, passing near Genoa, seeing the remains of the ship. They were thinking of salvaging the ship but in the end they scrapped it, which probably was for the better.
If it's any consolation, remember that Costa is a child company of Carnival Corporation which, as of writing, lost a lot in stock value from COVID and said stocks are actually even lower today than in 2020, so the company is doing worse financially despite seeing positive revenue and income since last year along with many child companies having to sell off their ships during the pandemic thereby reducing overall revenue for them as well.
The whole bad omens adding up is just the reaction of every single person i know: "I dont believe in it, but holy shit, someone must have challenged fate"
Something huge to remember about this incident is that USUALLY ships do not die slow deaths like this. Usually ships that are going to sink, with people this incompetent in charge, sink hard and fast. The only thing that saved them was proximity to the shore, good design, the passengers determination to survive in spite of the crews incompetence, and the response of the Italian Coast Guard.
I have the opposite experience of Alana’s chocolate theft experience. I was young and wanted to pay the price for the candy I wanted, but the store owner wanted to give it as a treat because our families were close and I always came over to buy snacks.
Korea had a similar incident with a coward of a captain that also was one of the first to abandon ship while telling the passengers to stay in their rooms which lead to I think over 100 student deaths.
According to the second video on the second channel, the captain had reached the rank of captain through proper means, but there were no open jobs, so he was head of security until a opening appeared
This is far, far from the worst kind of maritime disaster that could happen, and one thing that helped a lot was that they were so close to shore, so people had more time to evacuate. That said, the loss of life is still tragic. Fire at sea is probably the worst thing that could happen. _Lakota_ was an old ocean liner, where the designers used rich woods and lush carpets for the interior, and a lot of the ship's blemishes had been covered up with a fresh coat of paint (which even got in the way of the davits that lower the lifeboats, but that's the lesser issue when you haven't changed the ropes to make sure you can lower the lifeboats if you need to). The fire started near the hair salon, and spread very quickly thanks to the wood and carpets. Crew and passengers had to deal with being cut off from areas of the ship by the fire, and fortunately some did get off alive and were rescued, but since a lot of elders were aboard, they couldn't survive if they had to jump into the water and swim. A fire also took the _Morro Castle_ . One of the worst maritime disasters was the collision between the ferry, _MV Dona Paz_ , and the freighter, _MV Vector_ , and it was all caused by gross incompetence and cutting corners straight from the top: both ships were uncertified, unseaworthy, and in poor condition. Their crews were similarly untrained and uncertified, and the night the crash happened, both bridge crews were basically drinking and partying, leaving the helm in the hands of an untrained intern. Who could see the other vessel approaching very slowly, but didn't know how to steer to avoid the hit. Oil from _Vector_ was soon everywhere, and ignited. Passengers aboard _Dona Paz_ soon found themselves having to decide between going down with the sinking, burning ship, or taking their chances in the shark-infested waters, where the surface was also burning because of all the petroleum. Two of the survivors, a father and daughter, ended up disfigured, but survived because they jumped. What made it infinitely worse, though, was that the operators for the ferry had overbooked by several times the vessel's capacity. Between the two ships, about 9,000 people were lost, and none of the _Vector_ crew survived. And the damage fire can cause also brings up the _SS Normandie_ . During the Second World War, the Americans seized the ship from her French crew, and decided to convert her into a troop carrier. But during the conversion process, one of the workers accidentally set fire to a stack of lifejackets. Partly because the fire suppression system had been shut off during the work, the fire spread. New York's fire department was pumping seawater into the ship to try to gain control, and they refused to listen to the French crew or the Russian designer. They ended up capsizing the ship, and she had to be sold for scrap in the end. Thankfully the conversion of _RMS Queen Mary_ was done in Australia, otherwise the Grey Ghost wouldn't have been so successful.
Some corrections regarding the MT Vector and MV Doña Paz collision: The estimated death toll was at 4386, 2 of the 13 crew members on the Vector survived. All of the 58 crew member of the Doña Paz died, there were only 25 survivors from the Doña Paz.
So apparently in the cruise line business you can be licensed to be a captain but due to the limited number if ships, it's normal to work in other positions (like security) until a captain position opens.
The statement of going from security to captain is misleading and lacks context. To become a captain you must first complete the curriculum and have worked in every position on a ship. Its the same as any other apprenticeship. (no pun intended) Security was the last position he worked in before he was eligible to become captain. Edit: although it is entirely possible like you said he was already eligible for captain just didn't have a position available and was biding time in security.
Damn, 10 cents and he said no? I've gotten Wendy's and Dairy Queen when I was a few bucks short, and I wasn't even a child at that point. Then again maybe they thought I was homeless because I would always walk there, and I grow hair way too much to always cut it properly.
True, but in a follow-up video IH clarifies that plenty of other people were also at fault. Yes Scetino deserved to got to jail, but he shouldn't have been the only one.
Scetino was the scapegoat that everyone involved threw under the bus, by agreeing that he deserves the full brunt of the responsibility then you’re letting everyone guilty off the hook
Not legally possible, that's why the charge was specifically "multiple manslaughter." Though he should have know his negligence would place many people at risk of death without actually intending to kill anyone (negligent manslaughter), his actions weren't directed at any specific person.
@@morthosmaxori5354 During an evacuation, crew are supposed to sweep the entire ship for people who are stuck or trapped. Which _would_ have let them find the (about) 14 people stuck in the elevators after the ship lost power. But they didn't. Again, complacency about procedure.
Schettino its as much his staff's fault as it is his. I recommend the QnA which has corrections and Sailor Vince's review of this, AKA EXPERT NAUTICAL WATER MAN, who is mentioned in the QnA.
I do hope that she watches the Q&A for some of Internet Historians videos, they actually give more context and updated information for some of them. Enjoyable watches too.
Alana needs to watch internet historian's "man in cave". The video was deleted from his main channel, but he re-uploaded it on another one, and there are some reaction videos that are still up.
I don't know a lot of Italy, but the strange circumstances in the legal part and procedures don't surprise me as I have heard that Italy has corruption similar to LATAM, so I'm not surprised (For example in LATAM: Two youngsters killed a promising student and dump it's body on the sewers, they got away after like 6 years of legal procedures because both youngsters where rich and the student wasn't).
I forgot this one was uploaded and forgot to watch it. Thanks for reminding me Alana! I got to watch Internet Historian's video a few days before this!
On the topic of stealing weird stuff, I know someone who stole one of those fake coyotes that the airport uses to keep birds away. That was over ten years ago and they still have it in their living room!
VADA A BORDO, CAZZO!!! I just found her channel and have been enjoying her content as heck and just a few days later this video drops, im a happy RUclips Frog 😊
I stole a pack of pokemon cards from work one time. stuck them in the bottom of my shoe and walked around my entire shift with them there. pretty uncomfortable and the worst part is that there were no good cards in the pack :(
Who would want a ship bell...My grandfather came back from WWII with a ship bell...he was in the army...where the hell did he get that thing LOL. The family still uses it as a door bell on our house.
drunken thievery is an issue, nothing is safe. I've heard people stealing a small tree planted into a concrete planter, they needed 3 big guys to carry it for about a kilometer by foot.
Same, but my primal fear about cruise liners comes from rogue waves; I have had nightmares about mile-high walls of water swallowing the ship whole and dragging it to crushing depths before anyone could realize
I accidentally stole a can of pop at the local pizza place by pocketing it after they put it on the counter and they gave me another one, was too drunk to notice till later
"he is quite the specimen." Yeah like a stool sample! 🤣 Fuck that! If im on a luxury cruise that probably costs $25k to go on... And it crashes and sinks in clear weather you bet im robbing that place if i survive! ....im so moving to Italy.
Seafarer here, the actual helm command for degrees is NEVER, example "Three Sixteen" it should be "Three One Six", slow and loud, to avoid confusion, once the helmsman received the command he repeats it, when the ship's heading is now steady at 316°, he repeat the command again informing the officer that th ship is now heading 316° The reason for this is to avoid confusion Saying "three sixteen", the helmsman might misheard it as "three SIXTY" If the way they're saying it as "three twenty-five" is UN-FUCKN'-PROFESSIONAL
Shouldnt it also be rudder commands when manouvering, instead of giving course commands, inching around the compass? For rudder commands, the small increments of 5° changes would at least make sense
@@wolf310ii ah yes, i forgot about that, +10 points (Your House Name XD) Yeah, Rudder Commands are given by Rudder Angle from 5° to maximum 35° which is Hard Port/Starboard, but they usually give compass bearings cuz they use the compass more, all we have to do is turn the ship to the commanded bearing and keep her steady at the given bearing
scatino is a chicken shit deserter, however, to be fair he was competent _enough_ that, should there not have been a language barrier, there was a chance that the crash _could_ _have_ been avoided, maybe a scratch, hopefully a near miss, doesnt change the fact that he was a poozer during the crash, but in the events leading up to it he did as what was expected. now the 3rd officer on the other hand, yeah no they were shitty through and through, wrong relays, and no positional coordinates. the helmsman, well, language barrier, they should have gave him more training, maybe put him on another ship where he can understand what the crew was saying, hell maybe even not made him the helmsman in the first place.
It's one thing to lie to passagers, it's stupid to lie to people WHO ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO. That or send out help so people don't drown. All of which is a good thing
Can we all agree that the Deputy Mayor was a bad ass? He saw the ship sinking and decided to go aboard it, try and find someone in charge of the clusterfuck, and then helped get others off of the ship, all of this while the Captain is being a bitch.
I've stolen very small things that costed less than £2. Stealing isn't wrong if it's justifed, intentionally lying about manslaughter and just trying to "sweep it under the rug" is like x100 times worse. Like NOW i'd happily go back and pay that £2 over being conviced of manslaughter. I feel like anyone in comments or chat could do a better job captaining a ship. Humanity -10
In the cruise industry, a head of security jumping to captain isn't uncommon. What often happens is someone has all the courses done to quality as captain, but no captain positions are open. So the person applies for another position to get their foot in the door, and waits for a captain position to open up. Then they can apply for it, and have a better chance at getting it, because the company is hiring from within. Though, why he got to captain the half a billion dollar cruise ship with his track record of accidents is another matter.
From my understanding, those prior accidents were not due to his incompetence. (I'm no expert, so take what I say with a grain of salt). However, there had been some minor red flags of him violating safety protocols in the past...
Many words to say hes a nepo baby
Concord the plane...Concordia the ship...Concord the game...STOP NAMING THINGS CONCORD
Idea! How about a building named Concord?
@@FrankHarwald What would the building be used for?
@@RukilEngetsu airport.
Самолет хороший, на самом деле.
Просто "он громкий (9"
Actually the Concord plane did very well until that crash in France, even then it was the only accident on that plane's record, so it does deserve to be lumped with Concord the game and the disaster prone Concordia.
The problem with "I would just swim" is that at that height, jumping to the water might render you unconcious and even kill you. Those boats are extremely tall. Professionals jump from similar distances after years of training.
And then if you fall to close to the ship, which is sinking, it will drag you down. A sinking ship is a vortex that no human can scape on their own. It drags water with it, and the water drags you.
Now this ship was not sinking to fast, but it is enough to put you underwater, in complete darkness, for you to start to swim sideways or even downwards and die. Anyone who has been force down knows how easy it is to disorient yourself underwater, especially at night, when you do not even have light to possibly find the correct direction.
And on top of that, you are in the dark and near the rocks. You can either crack yourself in one, the waves may do it, you may drown, etc.
Also, even if it looks close, that is a massive distance to swim for most people. Even in daylight and with water glasses it is quite an exercise session.
At night, needing to keep your head above the water to seek the direction, etc? At least an hour of very precarious, very exhausting swimming.
And that is not even taking into account things like hypothermia, the weight of your wet clothing that drags you, etc.
In summary, it is one of those things that look much simpler than it actually is.
aka, MUCH easier said than done lol.
Tldr
@@kiracaos Teh Lord Da Rings
Tbh i'd just disconnect from the ship and go back to the lobby, i'm not dealing with all that
Ill just float to shore, ezpz.
I will take any excuse to re watch a Internet Historian video.
Same here
Yeee love these videos
You and me both, friend.
Agreed. I don’t even know this creator haha
We have a similar channel in Germany and every time a reaction channel I watch reacted to their video about the history of memes I watched it XD
I've heard that the Bell is considered the soul of a ship, and as such, it is a coveted salvage target and black market commodity.
im sorry but i read this like a video game loading screen tip in a pirate game or like, when you click "what are some rumors you've heard?" as a dialogue option on a random npc in a bar
@@BrewsLament Glad I could entertain and be reminded of pumping the Bar Tender in Trade Winds.
I remember seeing a comment on the video saying that he was only head of security until a captain position opened up for him, some maritime channel here on the tube who reacted to the video mentions that it is common practice by these commercial cruise companies to do such things
It happens often, their is only so many ships to captain, so to keep the captain's to be busy until a position opens up they work other jobs on the ships. Same for the engineering field, untill a position opens up the already trained and certified persons work jobs they are already overqualified for.
@@gidi3250 indeed
Yup, and he was a competent captain, until there was an emergency situation. Then he crumbled under pressure. That's how the previous crashes happened too. He had a record, but Costa Concierge somehow decided it would be cheaper to cover for him and keep him on, rather than, say, hiring qualified crew, or at least training them thoroughly and insisting on them following procedure. But at least they did regular evacuation drills so the passengers knew where muster stations were.
Yes, this is correct and I believe IH discussed it on his second channel. Schettino had captained large vessels for many years before taking the helm of Concordia and he was actually very experienced.
However, the moment shit hit the fan, he choked completely and dozens of innocent lives were lost. All that experience doesn't mean shit if you can't use it when it matters.
@@BNuts Huh, I thought his other two crashes were minimal and to be expected considering the respective circumstances (according to SailorVince). Like, the bit the captain destroyed because he hit something in a harbor was due to bad weather IIRC.
Can I also say that I love how you called the company "Costa Concierge"?
the true heroes of the story are the engineers under deck that tried to keep the power to the ship for as long as possible, risking their own lives in the process. As someone that did these jobs for limited amount of time, i respect that a lot. as machinist, engineers, mechanics our job is to keep the vehicles we work on running for as long as possible. now i work with trucks so...
nice video
It should be noted that while the Captain does indeed belong in Jail, the rest of the crew were given effectively slaps on the wrists by comparison. (Hell they let the Helmsman escape twice) because it was effectively a PR Trial and made the Captain out as the sole bad actor in the event to cover up the multiple grievous errors the other people involved did. (The First Officer lied about saying there was confusion over who was in command, he was VIDEO RECORDED acknowledging the Captain was in command when he arrived on the bridge, which he also went against authority when he corrected the Helmsman when relaying the wrong direction coordinates, The Third Officer not relaying directional positions, and the Helmsman for being vastly underqualified.)
Effectively he was a scapegoat for every problem, not just the ones he caused because Italy didn't want word spreading about how corrupt their cruise industry is because it's a main souce of income for them. All of this is taken from IH's Q&A on Incognito Mode.
Of course they also wanted an excuse to get rid of the fuck up who'd TWICE OVER PRIOR TO CONCORDIA'S SINKING had accidents occur on his watch.
@@boxtank5288 You don't need an excuse to get rid of a fuckup who's done that, they didn't give a flying fuck about how good of a job he did until it became a PR nightmare for the company.
Generally speaking, as the Captain of the ship, Schettino is responsible for EVERYTHING that happens on board. So if his crew is garbage, it's his fault for not commanding properly. Literally none of this would have happened if HE didn't decide "Hey let's get as CLOSE to the shore as possible."
The rest were given lighter sentences because they threw Schettino under the bus, which isn't uncommon.
Of course Carnival Cruises getting off scott free, stock dip not withstanding, was a grievous example of Italy's really corrupt legal system.
So yeah, the captain wasn't the sole bad guy, but considering he WAS the captain AND considering he refused to call an emergency when there was one, PLUS he ditched his passengers AND crew, plus he didn't even help anyone after abandoning ship, yeah I think in MOST countries the rest of the crew would get preferred treatment if they testified. Cause any court would want to BURY this guy.
If his crew aren't performing to standard, and the captain does nothing to correct them, he's still responsible.
@@patbracken But if the captain isn't correcting their performance, then who?
"You are, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the worst Captain I've ever heard of..."
Schettino: "....... but you have heard of me..."
Regarding the rant at 59:05 about stealing traffic cones, here's a fun bit of trivia: the icon for VLC Media Player is a cone because there was a tradition of stealing cones in the university of the French students who built this program. They then used a cone picture for error messages, and it eventually became the official logo.
Cкотина = Animal, usually referring to livestock. Though as an insult it obviously becomes sth like "You fucking animal". Usually refers to someone acting dishonorably to the point of not worthy of being called a human anymore. Can be therefore, as you said, used for cowards, scoundrels and the likes. So yeah, fits XD
And it sounds quite similar to Schettino… curious innit?
En Español, Schettino sounds like cochino (Co-cheen-no) meaning "filthy, dirty or pig" usually refers to perverted men or those of dishonorable conduct.
Even the cabby tried his best to save people while the captain just fled like a coward, like ugh....
There's a difference between the captain of the Titanic and the captain of the Concordia. At least the captain of the titanic went down with the ship
Guess what also sucks that I learned from another reactor? The watertight doors are supposed to be tested weekly (Not sure if legal standard or just a 'best practice'). Yes, you can still have a failure, but #12's jam was most likely preventable. Maybe some of the casualties wouldn't have died if some basic procedure had been followed.
They're not really designed to work at a heavy list-nothing on these ships actually is, because normally, as officer of the watch, you shouldn't ever be in a position where a heavy list can even develop prior to the doors being closed.
It's a case where the decision was actually made (even by the most vigilant safety watchdogs) that no further engineering could ever really compensate for the old "problem between keyboard and chair" bug.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy I think they door didn't work before the list happened.
Ah yes one of IH videos I enjoy watching people react to the most is now done with Alana too.
You are just like me fr fr 😂
I like how you shout «скотина!», and russian in general from you is awesome.
For more context on the Cost of Concordia, I would suggest Sailor Vince's reaction of IH's video to get a navy coastguard's view on the ship, the situation, and likely how most navy and coastguard view cruise ships. (Which would explain why I've never heard of anyone in any navy on a cruise ship... now that I think about it, that says alot)
"Going down with the ship" in mordern times isn't actually "Going down with the ship". When you have free communication with the sea, you immediately call for rescue and abandone ship, for whenever reason, he refused. Those lives would have been saved had he acted sooner. All of them. No one was killed in the initial impact but everyone died as a result of his inaction and stupidity.
I think it is still generally expected that the captain stays onboard to coordinate the evacuation until either it's complete or the coast guard says they don't need him there anymore.
Obviously this captain didn't do that.
Actually a few people died from the impact but the number would have just been a fraction of what it was
Speaking of captains abandoning their ships:
Joseph Clark has to be near the top of the list. He abandoned about 1,000 passengers on _SS Jedah_ , and reported her sunk. But the passengers took charge of the engineering crew, and sailed into port, towed, later. Yeah, lie exposed.
Yiannis Avranas and his bridge crew abandoned _Oceanos_ after she started to sink, and never told anyone else what was happening. In fact, they took their belongings and more lifeboats than they needed. And only the best covered lifeboats, too. This left entertainment staff, including guitarist Moss Hill to check out the bridge, which was empty, and then get in touch with the coast guard and coordinate a rescue. Hill would use this experience later to help evacuate a second ship.
Byron Voutsinas was captain of _SS Yarmouth Castle_ , and he and many of his crew abandoned it while burning. Captain Brown's _Bahama Star_ spotted the smoke, ordered full steam, and on finding the other ship's captain, forced him back aboard to help with the evacuation. Which was already a disaster because lifeboats were being lowered half-empty, occupied mostly by crew, and passengers still on deck were begging for lifejackets. Ninety people died. _Scandinavian Star_ is unfortunately a very similar story, with the added detail that the ship was in very poor condition when Hugo Larsen abandoned it.
Lee Joon-seok and his bridge crew were the first to leave _MV Sewol_ , a South Korean ferry that capsized because she was overloaded with both vehicles and cargo, none of which was tied down, and passengers, many of whom were school children on a day trip. _Sewol_ has below minimal ballast, with the pumps not functioning on the ageing and ill-maintained ship, when she was made to perform a turn more than 5 degrees sharp, and slowly capsized. Making things infinitely worse, a repeating automated message told passengers to remain in their rooms, and the kids trusted the adults to do the right thing. Meanwhile, coast guard refused to board and look for passengers, instead waiting for people to come out on deck. Nor would they allow foreign ships to render aid. In the end, civilian vessels that were nearby rescued more people than the Coast Guard did. And similar to Schettino, Lee tried to disguise himself by getting out of his uniform. It didn't work. Theories abound about why government officials stalled on both the rescue and the subsequent investigation, but it took so long and efforts were so incompetent, that nothing could be proven. Parents were infuriated, though, in particular because their children were sending them texts and calls in their final moments, so they knew not everyone had been rescued.
In direct contrast, Charles Butler McVay III must be mentioned as a victim of brutal office politics. _USS Indianapolis_ was ordered to sail through an area known to be patrolled by Japanese submarines, without being told there were submarines, and without an escort, so his ship would be sunk. McVay survived, and was court marshalled, and would later take his own life over the tragedy. The circumstances of the _Indianapolis_ sinking would only be uncovered much later, clearing McVay too late. Lists of cowardly captains do, tragically, still include him.
Someone should make a big documentary about the Sewol but it's such a depressing story that most production companies won't touch it. No one wants to watch a story about hundreds of kids dying. Not to mention that the huge bungling that the South Korean government did would raise a huge can of worms.
Then there's Captains William Turner and James Clarke Anderson of RMS _Lusitania._
Sent into the southern mouth of the Irish Channel, where the British Imperial Navy Intelligence Office had confirmed at least one Imperial German submarine was patrolling and attacking everything without warning; given only a vague warning to "watch for periscopes", in no particular area or timeframe; forced to sail at half speed to conserve fuel, leaving them unable to outrun any U-boat even if they did see it in time.
Anderson was killed in the ensuing attack, along with over a thousand innocent passengers and crew, and the Navy Intelligence Office conspired to frame Turner for treason as a cover-up to elude responsibility for their active decision to put the ship in danger, specifically to get American civilians killed and force the US into WWI on the Entente side.
The fact that the old myth about hidden bombs in the cargo hold would actually be _less_ dishonourable for those in charge really highlights how fucking dirty the whole affair was.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Still, everyone still wonders what _Lusitania_ could have been carrying that a single torpedo was enough to sink the liner. What was it that caused that secondary explosion? Not small arms, surely.
@@BNuts coal dust. That one's been solved for about forty years by now. Now she did have some illegal shit aboard (as the 2015 disclosures confirmed), but nothing that could have caused an explosion, and none of the specific articles the Imperial German Naval Intelligence Office claimed.
@@Overflight01Brick Immortar has an excellent Two-Part documentary series on the MV Sewol Disaster of 2014, where he details not only the horrific cowardice of the bridge crew and Captain "Cкотина" Lee Jun-seok but also the Vile, Corrupt bojinyeondeul (yes, that's poorly written Korean for "pussybitches")that are the entire representative counsel of the Republic of Korea's Government, particularly the then-president of the country, Park Geun-hye, who was later impeached as a direct result of the catastrophe in 2017. As it turned out she was AWOL for 7 HOURS after the vessel sank.
Italian here, i remember when going to the Cote D'azur, passing near Genoa, seeing the remains of the ship. They were thinking of salvaging the ship but in the end they scrapped it, which probably was for the better.
If it's any consolation, remember that Costa is a child company of Carnival Corporation which, as of writing, lost a lot in stock value from COVID and said stocks are actually even lower today than in 2020, so the company is doing worse financially despite seeing positive revenue and income since last year along with many child companies having to sell off their ships during the pandemic thereby reducing overall revenue for them as well.
Man musta had some major magnum power with how easily he picked up mistresses.
He had a CHA +15 hat.
Big D, but no balls.
When I was in the Navy, our Lieutenant told us : at sea the enemy is the coast.
I've never stolen intentionally. Had an awkward moment when I forgot to pay for an item and had to go back inside
The whole bad omens adding up is just the reaction of every single person i know:
"I dont believe in it, but holy shit, someone must have challenged fate"
Something huge to remember about this incident is that USUALLY ships do not die slow deaths like this. Usually ships that are going to sink, with people this incompetent in charge, sink hard and fast. The only thing that saved them was proximity to the shore, good design, the passengers determination to survive in spite of the crews incompetence, and the response of the Italian Coast Guard.
And a lucky wind
This exactly. The South Korean "ferry" boat sunk within an hour of first taking on water.
I have the opposite experience of Alana’s chocolate theft experience. I was young and wanted to pay the price for the candy I wanted, but the store owner wanted to give it as a treat because our families were close and I always came over to buy snacks.
when I was a kid back in the 90s it was common for people to still stop signs and hang them on the wall, my cousin had one
Korea had a similar incident with a coward of a captain that also was one of the first to abandon ship while telling the passengers to stay in their rooms which lead to I think over 100 student deaths.
According to the second video on the second channel, the captain had reached the rank of captain through proper means, but there were no open jobs, so he was head of security until a opening appeared
38:52 This quote comes to mind every time I'm playing a game and realize I'm not heading towards my objective
All you would need is a single woman screaming “YOU KILLED MY BABY!!” and people might have actually gotten hung.
16:37 bro he edited water holes into the live footage, im dead
you have the best theme song out of every vtuber i have seen thus far.
This is far, far from the worst kind of maritime disaster that could happen, and one thing that helped a lot was that they were so close to shore, so people had more time to evacuate. That said, the loss of life is still tragic.
Fire at sea is probably the worst thing that could happen. _Lakota_ was an old ocean liner, where the designers used rich woods and lush carpets for the interior, and a lot of the ship's blemishes had been covered up with a fresh coat of paint (which even got in the way of the davits that lower the lifeboats, but that's the lesser issue when you haven't changed the ropes to make sure you can lower the lifeboats if you need to). The fire started near the hair salon, and spread very quickly thanks to the wood and carpets. Crew and passengers had to deal with being cut off from areas of the ship by the fire, and fortunately some did get off alive and were rescued, but since a lot of elders were aboard, they couldn't survive if they had to jump into the water and swim. A fire also took the _Morro Castle_ .
One of the worst maritime disasters was the collision between the ferry, _MV Dona Paz_ , and the freighter, _MV Vector_ , and it was all caused by gross incompetence and cutting corners straight from the top: both ships were uncertified, unseaworthy, and in poor condition. Their crews were similarly untrained and uncertified, and the night the crash happened, both bridge crews were basically drinking and partying, leaving the helm in the hands of an untrained intern. Who could see the other vessel approaching very slowly, but didn't know how to steer to avoid the hit. Oil from _Vector_ was soon everywhere, and ignited. Passengers aboard _Dona Paz_ soon found themselves having to decide between going down with the sinking, burning ship, or taking their chances in the shark-infested waters, where the surface was also burning because of all the petroleum. Two of the survivors, a father and daughter, ended up disfigured, but survived because they jumped. What made it infinitely worse, though, was that the operators for the ferry had overbooked by several times the vessel's capacity. Between the two ships, about 9,000 people were lost, and none of the _Vector_ crew survived.
And the damage fire can cause also brings up the _SS Normandie_ . During the Second World War, the Americans seized the ship from her French crew, and decided to convert her into a troop carrier. But during the conversion process, one of the workers accidentally set fire to a stack of lifejackets. Partly because the fire suppression system had been shut off during the work, the fire spread. New York's fire department was pumping seawater into the ship to try to gain control, and they refused to listen to the French crew or the Russian designer. They ended up capsizing the ship, and she had to be sold for scrap in the end. Thankfully the conversion of _RMS Queen Mary_ was done in Australia, otherwise the Grey Ghost wouldn't have been so successful.
Some corrections regarding the MT Vector and MV Doña Paz collision: The estimated death toll was at 4386, 2 of the 13 crew members on the Vector survived. All of the 58 crew member of the Doña Paz died, there were only 25 survivors from the Doña Paz.
The bell is like the "soul" of the ship
russian roulette with a shotgun is basically the buckshot roulette game
So apparently in the cruise line business you can be licensed to be a captain but due to the limited number if ships, it's normal to work in other positions (like security) until a captain position opens.
The statement of going from security to captain is misleading and lacks context.
To become a captain you must first complete the curriculum and have worked in every position on a ship. Its the same as any other apprenticeship. (no pun intended)
Security was the last position he worked in before he was eligible to become captain.
Edit: although it is entirely possible like you said he was already eligible for captain just didn't have a position available and was biding time in security.
even to this day, Schettino is still in jail
Damn, 10 cents and he said no? I've gotten Wendy's and Dairy Queen when I was a few bucks short, and I wasn't even a child at that point. Then again maybe they thought I was homeless because I would always walk there, and I grow hair way too much to always cut it properly.
That captain needs to be sentenced for every one of those dead people.
True, but in a follow-up video IH clarifies that plenty of other people were also at fault. Yes Scetino deserved to got to jail, but he shouldn't have been the only one.
Scetino was the scapegoat that everyone involved threw under the bus, by agreeing that he deserves the full brunt of the responsibility then you’re letting everyone guilty off the hook
Not legally possible, that's why the charge was specifically "multiple manslaughter." Though he should have know his negligence would place many people at risk of death without actually intending to kill anyone (negligent manslaughter), his actions weren't directed at any specific person.
@@morthosmaxori5354 During an evacuation, crew are supposed to sweep the entire ship for people who are stuck or trapped. Which _would_ have let them find the (about) 14 people stuck in the elevators after the ship lost power. But they didn't. Again, complacency about procedure.
Clearly the raviolli defense was expected to work.@@BNuts
After the first two mistakes, they shoulda just pulled the helmsman off the helm and replaced him.
True or even The capitan too 😅
That's why the captain always went down with the ship he's responsible on this occasion but historically the captain got the blame regardless.
whenever alana goes 'oooo' as a reaction it always makes me giggle idk why 😂
Schettino its as much his staff's fault as it is his. I recommend the QnA which has corrections and Sailor Vince's review of this, AKA EXPERT NAUTICAL WATER MAN, who is mentioned in the QnA.
Your react videos are great for repeatedly doing the barrens in hardcore, so I hope you'll keep doing them.
Sounds like a skill issue
I do hope that she watches the Q&A for some of Internet Historians videos, they actually give more context and updated information for some of them. Enjoyable watches too.
Alana needs to watch internet historian's "man in cave". The video was deleted from his main channel, but he re-uploaded it on another one, and there are some reaction videos that are still up.
I don't know a lot of Italy, but the strange circumstances in the legal part and procedures don't surprise me as I have heard that Italy has corruption similar to LATAM, so I'm not surprised (For example in LATAM: Two youngsters killed a promising student and dump it's body on the sewers, they got away after like 6 years of legal procedures because both youngsters where rich and the student wasn't).
In Spain happens a lot too and probably all The mediteranean countries had The corruption on The roof
@@paufernandezboj5517 Sad to hear that.
And not even a very oppressive government can handle the corruption just see Cuba and China.
I forgot this one was uploaded and forgot to watch it. Thanks for reminding me Alana! I got to watch Internet Historian's video a few days before this!
On the topic of stealing weird stuff, I know someone who stole one of those fake coyotes that the airport uses to keep birds away. That was over ten years ago and they still have it in their living room!
VADA A BORDO, CAZZO!!!
I just found her channel and have been enjoying her content as heck and just a few days later this video drops, im a happy RUclips Frog 😊
I stole a pack of pokemon cards from work one time. stuck them in the bottom of my shoe and walked around my entire shift with them there. pretty uncomfortable and the worst part is that there were no good cards in the pack :(
55:30 Not just a party but from what someone looked up a "coke" party
Who would want a ship bell...My grandfather came back from WWII with a ship bell...he was in the army...where the hell did he get that thing LOL.
The family still uses it as a door bell on our house.
24:27 The way the mayor and the tobacco shop owner arrive in a Lamborghini with club music playing. So funny.
Sometimes people steal shit just to see if they can.
I WAS NOT READY FOR THAT ENDING LMAO
Oh its that boat. I was on it. About a year befor it sank.
31:33 Jschlatt viewers would definitely steal that bell
Bro I loove your videos man, you're the first vtuber I've actually enjoyed watching and im not into vtubers at all. Keep up the good work c:
Some people might ask...
46:35 - 46:43
White Flag by Fall of Envy
You are first one to know his
Ast name sounds like skotina lmao
Hbomberguy showing up in recommended like an angel of death
12:51 Thus... Buckshot Roulette was born! 😂
5:06 I put this on for background noise and I thought for a hot second you just straight up ripped ass 🤣
she did.
i dont know what it is about your intro but that shit lives rent free in my fucking head and idk why
Man in the cave in his magnum opus imo.
Next one is that I hope.
I'm waiting for Cost of Concordia 2, where he talks about Concord's failure. But that saga is still unfolding.
The thing is, he was a good captain, until shit hit the fan. Then he crumbles under the pressure
He has previous "experience crashing" boats, how is he a good captain??
Good captains don't wreck three ships.
What a flex it would be to have the bell of the Costa Concordia though
Can we take a moment to appreciate that outro.
costa concordia: sank
concord: sank
ko inky dink? i think not
59:20 "Wait, is that an Aussie thing to do?"
How do you think they ended up in Australia in the first place?
Wilhelm Gustloff had 10,000 on board and 1,239 survived
That outro caught me off guard so much I accidentally clicked sub, now I am to lazy to click it again.
the fact that there is now a game of russian roulette with a shotgun is just insane
I'm sorry 47:52 "get back on the fuck board"? lmao
The whole article was Google Translated from the original Italian.
drunken thievery is an issue, nothing is safe. I've heard people stealing a small tree planted into a concrete planter, they needed 3 big guys to carry it for about a kilometer by foot.
You could not pay me to board one of these things.
Same, but my primal fear about cruise liners comes from rogue waves; I have had nightmares about mile-high walls of water swallowing the ship whole and dragging it to crushing depths before anyone could realize
I accidentally stole a can of pop at the local pizza place by pocketing it after they put it on the counter and they gave me another one, was too drunk to notice till later
I love you and your channel more then i love my hair and considering I’m bald that love for you is infinite
That means it's zero.
Keep huffing copium baldy.
@@lostsoulrunner92 dang my bad
@@lostsoulrunner92 he laughed 😅
@@vexile1239 oh okay
"he is quite the specimen."
Yeah like a stool sample! 🤣
Fuck that! If im on a luxury cruise that probably costs $25k to go on... And it crashes and sinks in clear weather you bet im robbing that place if i survive!
....im so moving to Italy.
Worst part about fasting is people mentioning food.
I have been waiting for this!
5:20 Скотина (Scotina) in Russian is a not frequently used word for animal, that also has second meaning of "asshole"
"Asshole" is too tame for it's meaning, it's more of "filthy savage scumbag".
Seafarer here, the actual helm command for degrees is NEVER, example "Three Sixteen" it should be "Three One Six", slow and loud, to avoid confusion, once the helmsman received the command he repeats it, when the ship's heading is now steady at 316°, he repeat the command again informing the officer that th ship is now heading 316°
The reason for this is to avoid confusion
Saying "three sixteen", the helmsman might misheard it as "three SIXTY"
If the way they're saying it as "three twenty-five" is UN-FUCKN'-PROFESSIONAL
Shouldnt it also be rudder commands when manouvering, instead of giving course commands, inching around the compass?
For rudder commands, the small increments of 5° changes would at least make sense
@@wolf310ii ah yes, i forgot about that, +10 points (Your House Name XD)
Yeah, Rudder Commands are given by Rudder Angle from 5° to maximum 35° which is Hard Port/Starboard, but they usually give compass bearings cuz they use the compass more, all we have to do is turn the ship to the commanded bearing and keep her steady at the given bearing
Yo, this reaction make me a fan ❤
For everyone working out what 53m is in Imperial is, Last I checked 1 meter is 1 yard. Since a foot is 30.5cm and 100 cm is a meter.
12:07 As an Italian, when I hear these stereotypes, i just want to die...
scatino is a chicken shit deserter, however, to be fair he was competent _enough_ that, should there not have been a language barrier, there was a chance that the crash _could_ _have_ been avoided, maybe a scratch, hopefully a near miss, doesnt change the fact that he was a poozer during the crash, but in the events leading up to it he did as what was expected.
now the 3rd officer on the other hand, yeah no they were shitty through and through, wrong relays, and no positional coordinates.
the helmsman, well, language barrier, they should have gave him more training, maybe put him on another ship where he can understand what the crew was saying, hell maybe even not made him the helmsman in the first place.
Holy shit, didn't expect that ending compilation... 😂
You deserve more subscribers.
I think it would be fun is smugalana was playable character in call of duty
It's one thing to lie to passagers, it's stupid to lie to people WHO ARE TRYING TO GIVE YOU ADVICE ON WHAT TO DO. That or send out help so people don't drown. All of which is a good thing
It wasnt a 1mill fine, it was a 1mill bribe.
Today i died the third time because of the brainspasmn the captain and his spouse gave me.
Can we all agree that the Deputy Mayor was a bad ass? He saw the ship sinking and decided to go aboard it, try and find someone in charge of the clusterfuck, and then helped get others off of the ship, all of this while the Captain is being a bitch.
Lesson, don't hire a helmsman who can't speak your language.
I've stolen very small things that costed less than £2. Stealing isn't wrong if it's justifed, intentionally lying about manslaughter and just trying to "sweep it under the rug" is like x100 times worse. Like NOW i'd happily go back and pay that £2 over being conviced of manslaughter. I feel like anyone in comments or chat could do a better job captaining a ship. Humanity -10