Nightheart and Sunbeam have STOLEN my attention (Warrior Cats)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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I honestly feel like Nightheart is trying to convince himself that he loves Sunbeam so he can switch clans and avoid dealing with his issues. His monologue/thought process doesn't seem like he is actually in love with her, it is almost a secondary motivation to his fleeing to ShadowClan. He just wants a friend who doesn't look at him and see Firestar.
That's exactly how it seems to me too. I REALLY hope this is actually what they planned and not just bad writing
Yea
Exactly. The book put it a bit weirdly in the book, it seemed more rushed than normal. But I may be reading the books wrong. I’m hoping they’ll do something interesting and just have them be friends in the end.
What I took from the book is that Nightheart is using Sunbeam as an *excuse* to switch clans. Not necessarily because he loves her more than anything. The chapter where he decides to join ShadowClan sounded more as if he was contemplating whether or not he would end up truly loving Sunbeam, so that his change of clans could be justified. What I'm hoping is that he realises that he and Sunbeam don't match and that he goes back to ThunderClan and fixes his relationship with his family.
I was thinking the same thing! I dont doubt he likes her but its VERY clear hes only thinking of making her a mate JUST so he can leave Thunderclan. And thats just another tick in the column of why im not a fan of Nightheart.
Honest he feels more like a angsty teenager who doesn’t know where he’s going in life + made an quote unquote adult too soon and so that influences him to clutch on to certain ideals and cats who generally is just chill with him that ends up being harmful to both him and the already struggling relationships he has with his family and clan.
See, I'd love for them to double down on that aspect and make it a dramatic plot point. It's never been done, and seems ridiculous enough to fit here.
cool theory, unfortunately this is the farthest thing from canon lol. he has the biggest crush on her, it's clear to see that
I thought that too!
I want them to be what Squirrelflight and Bramblestar should have been, two cats who are horrible for each other relationship wise and they end up breaking up and becoming friends after realizing that they aren’t meant to be mates or else they might destroy each other. Give me a plot about a relationship that doesn’t end up working out and showing how people can still be friends with someone after breaking up.
Crowfeathers special addition did that pretty well
This won’t happen based on the way the series is going. Cope and seethe lol
You’re mad that children’s books portray healthy relationships that work out. The projection is hard my man.
@@humanbeeing4780 I think you're behind on the book series. that or actively trying to be inflammatory. quite frankly, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say
nightheart is my favorite protagonist so far but he just... lies about his situation when he vents to sunbeam 😭 i really hope they don't just ignore that part!
i honestly wish for sunbeam and nightheart have the most ugly cat breakup ever after seeing how having a yesman in every aspect of a relationship doesn't work out ❤️
@Snappystorm, yes Shellheart and Rainflower broke up???
And Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight broke up for a bit.
And there are much much more break ups!
Cant wait for them t9 be a power couple ❤️ they’re not breaking up, cope and seethe
@@humanbeeing4780 can’t wait for their downfall 😃
"Finchlight and Sparkpelt are his literal sister and mom, why can't he just talk to them."
Giving my own two cents on the "just talk to family" thing. Sometimes, words just aren't enough. Finchlight literally told her own brother to get lost, and calls him dramatic when he's venting his frustration. As someone who has been called dramatic by her own siblings when in that same exact situation, that felt like a very natural progression of ish hitting the fan.
One time, between me and my sister, it got to the point, where I screeched that I bet they'd be happier if I were unsubscribed from life. And again, the sister didn't take me seriously. I never did anything of course, but everyone BUT her realized I was being serious. Just like how Finchlight didn't take Nightheart seriously. And when you vent your actual thoughts and feelings to your family, only for them to either ignore you or brush you off, that's enough to lessen that trust, or break it completely, thus leading you to confide in others.
That's why I love Nightheart. He's not your perfect squeaky clean, morally good cat. He's got some major mental issues going on. He seriously wants a male figure in his life, evident by how much Alderheart's words mean to him. And how much he liked having Bramblestar's attention. His family is shunning him, so why should he put forth that effort to make the communication happen? I don't think Nightheart really loves Sunbeam, not yet at least. I think the two would be good together, but right now it just seems more like infatuation than love.
This. After the argument they had on the first chapter, it's no wonder he doesn't want to talk to them anymore. On the other hand, Bayshine was pointed out as brother-like to him in River, so it makes sense he would be sad to see him leave.
I have also had this problem in the past, but no one wanted me to yell. So I kept it quiet. And when I finally snapped, and said that I wanted to commit the unalive everyone realized how much anger and hate was rolling in waves off of me. I has been a few years since that incident, and we are on much better terms. I hope everything works out in the end for you.
This !!
I really hope Sunbeam rejects him, but Nightheart still joins ShadowClan and they learn to become respected members without needing a mate, as friends…
Romance isn't the answer to anything, and I think portraying that message is actually slightly harmful.
But the Erins will probably pare those two up as quickly as possible…
Honestly me too. I think cats should be allowed to move clans without being in love with another cat. It feels very much like hes using her now. Not saying he doesnt care for her but he never considered her a mate until he needed an excuse to leave Thunderclan
I agree! While his move is definitely justified given the Firestar descendant crap he had to deal with in Thunderclan, romance is a pretty unnecessary and boring reason for it. Given that we JUST had a cross clan relationship in the last arc, and the Erin's writing of it isn't exactly the best. I was honestly hoping that sun and night would stay strictly as good friends who bond after night's move, but it doesn't seem like that'll happen.....
OMG finally they could have done it better honestly if I was in warriors I would rather have no mates no kits and die alone
no i feel like Nightheart will eventually go back to Thunderclan
This didn’t age well-
Can they just...not have kits? Nightheart and Sunbeam never seemed like a mother and father to me,
I agree with you.
Sunbeam does. She was talking about having kits with Blazefire until he rejected her. So i can see her being a mother. I just dont see her and Nightheart being a serious couple with kits
Its only been two books.
@@Celeste-jh2lj Yes! I don't think Sunbeam x Nightheart is a good ship. I dislike it a lot. Blazefire x Sunbeam is a better ship, but Blazefire is hanging out with Lightleap the BIGGEST IDIOT in the books. And poor Sunbeam feels bad about it...poor Sunbeam 😓
@@sylvie3151 yeah i hated how the Blazefire thing was. I dont mind if he didnt want to be with Sunbeam but Lightleap? She literally got him AND Sunbeam hurt and couldve nearly ruined both of their lives as warriors and now theyre gonna be mates? Nah thats rewarding her for her bad behavior and its gross.
I thought the romance was cute in this book, but yeah I agree with what you said. I hope Nightheart realizes his problems won't be solved by running away (I guess we need Rafiki to wack him with a stick). I don't see Nightheart being able to help Sunbeam with her problems unless he like kills Berryheart or something/hj . Overall I'm interested to see where this romance will go.
Imagine.
In the middle of the last book, a random baboon appears out of nowhere and hits Nightheart with a stick XD
@@bluesheep7 JAYFEATHER SHOULD HIT HIM WITH A STICK JAYXSTICK FANS WOULD LOVE THAT
If the Erins are smart they will play it as Nightheart only THINKS he wants to be her mate because he wants to switch clans. He's gonna go to shadowclan and they're both gonna realize they don't like each other that way, but maybe they pretend to be in love to try to fix their problems??
But I bet you anything the Erins will just make them fall in love anyway... smh I can't with these books (And yet I still read them?? lol).
Squirrelflight is my cuddle bag instead of a punching bag
If I see one more forbidden romance I’m just simply gonna stop reading it. I’m joking but...
Well when you stop joking say goodbye to the community
I’ve already stopped, this is so ridiculous
Well technically it's not forbidden anymore
I agree I am pissed tha they did again
It was cute with Micah and Moth Flight. Anything after that….they reuse the same trope like every third book.💀
Maybe Nightheart’s arc could be he realizes Clan life isn’t for him and he becomes a loner or a kittypet
i was thinking about this lol😭 he does a reverse firestar and becomes a kittypet
I know he won’t but God I want Nightheart to be a villain so bad. If Sunbeam rejects him out of no real feeling, not wanting to upset Berryheart, or still being hung up on Blazefire, then he’ll have even more drive to be rude to everyone. Or if anything have him be like Skystar, be a big jerk for a few books and then redeem him the last 1-2 books or have a redemption novella/super edition afterwards.
5:58 drive her away? Oh please since when has Warrior Cats cared about that! Onestar and Bramblestar literally treated their mates like rat dung and they stuck by their sides! SMH 🤦♀️
So am I the only one who just realized Akira is like the gossip channels on RUclips always talking about relationship drama for the warrior cats?
I feel like nightheart is going to fail his clan switching assessment
Please no, that would mean this would be an actual forbidden romance. I'd prefer if they just kept it as a normal one.
I didn’t read the book, just the wikis but… I’m disappointed. When the idea of Nightheart leaving ThunderClan came up, then obvious choice in my mind was to go to WindClan. My reasons being who’s in WindClan that can connect with him.
In ShadowClan, Tawnypelt knows what’s like to be judged for you past/kin as well as how hard it is to switch Clans, but she did seem to have some kind of respect for Firestar, so she would probably judge him to some extent. Also, I didn’t WANT NightSun, I wanted Sunbeam to STAY SINGLE after having such a bad break up! It’s like the Erin’s can’t fathom the idea of a woman being single because she chooses to be. Like, Mousefur was that first and last she-cat to stay single before too many Firestar and Cloudtail cats filled ThunderClan for there to be effective shipping that doesn’t need a family tree to map out. And medicine cats don’t count because they’re single by their own law.
SkyClan as it is only exists BECAUSE of Firestar and Since several cats who knew him ARE still alive, they may make Nightheart a little uncomfortable, even if not on purpose. Rootspring may also be able to connect with him about having family conflicts, but other than him, there’s no cat who specifically can connect with any of Nightheart’s problems, which I think he needs. Maybe Hawkwing can have a connection with living up to family legacy or something, but that’s about it. And we KNOW their stories from their POV.
RiverClan may have someone who can empathize with his feeling out of place in one of the former Dark Forest trainees or rebels from last arc. But they also seem extremely against the code change and without a leader to judge his “test,” he wouldn’t even be able to join. I would like Mousewhisker to go to RiverClan to be with Minnowtail and end up as either leader or deputy, though. That would be nice.
But WindClan had both conflict for Nightheart and at least one cat who give him the things he needs. Breezepelt. Breezepelt knows what it’s like to grow up without a father in a Clan that’s against you from the start for actions another cat took before he was even born. And he knows what kind of dark path that could lead a cat down. It would also be a better redemption than what we got in Crowfeather’s trial. Imagine it:
Breezepelt sees the way Nightheart is treated, it reminds him of his own past, of what led him to train in and join the dark forest. He sees this young cat who looks almost exactly like him (just fluffier because in my mind, Nightheart is a medium to long haired cat lol) go through almost the exact same difficulties he went through. Fatherhood and losing one of his daughters has mellowed him out. He’s grieving Smokehaze still, maybe he’s in constant conflict with Harestar and Heathertail (who blames him for letting their daughter join the rebels). He sees this fatherless cat and decides to be a friend.
So, at a gathering before Nightheart gets his warrior name, he says hello and speaks to him a little. When they see each other on patrols, he’s kind but not lenient about the border. They spend time together at gatherings and Breezepelt introduces him to his daughters, 1 of which Nightheart connects with (I personally like Appleshine, she seems cute). Breezepelt becomes a cat Nightheart feels he can go to. Nightheart feels comfortable with him. When the pressure of his Clan’s drama gets to be too much, Breezepelt tries to run away from the Clans all together, only to be found by Breezepelt.
Breezepelt convinces him to join WindClan. He does, but is immediately met with opposition from Harestar and most of the other warriors. Harestar gives him a challenge that is possible but extremely difficult, catch a rabbit on his own. Breezepelt argues that it’s hard for warriors from other Clans to do that, nearly impossible, and that Nightheart doesn’t know anything about how to survive on the moor, which IS much more dangerous with its lack of cover. Harestar gives Breezepelt the rest of the day and the next two days to teach Nightheart everything he needs to know, telling Crowfeather to excuse Breezepelt from patrols. Breezepelt spends that time bonding with Nightheart more, coming to genuinely see Nightheart as a son rather than a fatherless kid he pitied. His daughters help when they don’t have patrols or other duties and the 2 Nightheart doesn’t romantically like form a sisterly bond with him while he and the 3rd form genuine feeling for each other. Heathertail notices this and accuses them of trying to replace Smokehaze, leading to a discussion about how she died in the battle against ShadowClan and the rebels and how Heathertail blamed Breezepelt for her death while Breezepelt blamed Harestar for blindly following the imposter, which put a strain on their relationship.
The day of his test, Nightheart is given an area that tends to have lots of rabbits to hunt and no other cat is allowed to go there until the test is over at sunset. Nightheart spends all day remembering what Breezepelt taught him and chasing rabbits, but fails each time. Then he sees a gray she-cat with eyes that remind him on Heathertail’s. She offers to help, but he says he can’t accept. She says that her help WILL be acceptable in his test. He still refuses and goes to find another rabbit, but it’s getting late. The sun is about to set and his time is almost up. When he thinks all is lost, he finds a “rabbit,” big with long legs and ears. He stalks it, but it bolts. It’s about to go into its den when the gray she-cat appears from inside. Startled, it turns and runs straight into Nightheart’s paws. When he goes to tell the she-cat off, she’s gone. He decides to take the “rabbit” back and accept his fate.
All the way back, he’s dreading telling everyone he’s failed, remembering the assessments he failed and feeling sick to his stomach. When he arrives and tells the story, Harestar is furious he broke the rules until one of the medicine cats thinks to ask him to describe the she-cat, thinking she was an intruder that needed to be chased off. When he tells everyone what she looked like, a gray she-cat with blue eyes similar to Heathertail’s, everyone is quiet. Kestrel flight nods and tells Harestar “it would seem our ancestors have spoken, and what a sign for them to send.” Nightheart’s is confused until Whisperpaw explains that he didn’t catch a rabbit, he caught a HARE, which even seasoned warriors cannot do without help. And Breezepelt tells him that the cat who helped him was his deceased daughter, Smokehaze, a STARCLAN warrior. With a sign so obvious, Harestar has no option but to accept Nightheartbinto WindClan.
Breezepelt and Nightheart go for a walk together where Breezepelt tells Nightheart about his past. He explains that he saw himself in Nightheart and couldn’t let another cat make the same mistakes he did. That he had long since learned his lesson, but wanted losing his daughter made him realize the extent of what he had done. The cats he wanted to kills were someone’s kits and losing his own made him realize that he could have caused the pain he felt to someone else. It made him frustrated and angry with himself, so he swore to help any cats he every saw that reminded him of that time in his life. Nightheart did and Breezepelt came to see Nightheart as a son. He explains that he doesn’t want to use Nightheart to replace Smokehaze, but he does want to be a father figure to him.
Nightheart accepts this and soon comes to accept 2 of Breezepelt’s daughter as sisters. The 3rd, he builds a romantic and stable relationship with, both of them getting teased lightheartedly by “their sisters” about it and how funny it was. Breezepelt and Heathertail eventually break up, but continue to have a good relationship with their daughters. Eventually, after seeing how much her daughter genuinely loves Nightheart and maybe even Nightheart saving his mate from a dog or in battle, Heathertail comes to accept him as her daughter’s mate, but not a son.
And his family in ThunderClan aren’t happy when they find out about him joining WindClan. Sparkpelt, Finchlight, and Squirrelflight are confrontational every time they meet. The only cats who support him are Bayshine, Cloudtail, and the medicine cats, tho Jayfeather keeps asking why he “chose Breezepelt of all the fur balls in the world.” Most of the rest of ThunderClan are hostile towards him until Nightheart has enough and blows up on them at a gathering, publicly disowning his family and being dismissed early along with Breezepelt and his mate. In every confrontation, he either fights the ThunderClan cats off alone or with the help of Breezepelt and whatever daughter(s) are with them. But over time, as he proves himself to his new Clanmates, more cats come to be close to himself and also defend him.
I feel like that story would better for Nightheart in that he gets a found family, respect from his Clan (which he chose), AND a love interest that doesn’t feel forced. And Sunbeam can have her own story separate from him. I don’t like that the only reason Nightheart and Sunbeam’s stories are crossing are for them to form a romance. Inter-Clan FRIENDSHIPS are now also legal so why can’t a tom and a she-cat be just friends? They can still support each other without needing to get romantic. I feel like this is going to stunt BOTH of their growths as characters. Female characters tend to be reduced to JUST another female character as soon as romance is mixed into their stories.
This. THIS. Is so better than whatever hogwash the Erins will inevitably write. I dont even know why I read Sky. Such a mess of a story.
How far Warriors has fallen. I mean, the first arc had its... issues, [cough, cough *Forest Cult, Ableism, etc*] but it didnt have p***philia up the wazoo. Least not till Fernsong.
@@sindraile5128 yeah, seriously the age gap bs is getting out of control now. My rule of thumb when writing fanfics is that if one member of the ship is no longer considered a “young” or “new” warrior when the other one is born, they’re too old. I do have SOME ships with big age gaps, but the older one is ALWAYS conflicted and the younger one is ALWAYS the one to make the first move, and they usually come from different Clans so that they older one hasn’t been watching the younger one grow up from a kit. The couple I’m thinking of off the top of my head is one of my (many) gay couples, Dapplewing (older one) who is originally from ShadowClan and Creekwhisker (younger one) who is original from WindClan. It took a whole super edition and almost half an arc for them to get together because Dapplewing felt it was wrong to be with a cat so much younger than him, but Creekwhisker was insistent and Dapplewing eventually agrees to at least give a relationship a try.
But as for my post. Part of what I like about the scenario of Nightheart joining WindClan is the natural conflicts and drama that can come of it. WindClan is historically done with ThunderClan’s bs, so he would REALLY have to prove himself. On top of that, connecting with Breezepelt and his daughters comes with its own drama. Smokehaze. She was Breezepelt’s daughter and died in the battle with ShadowClan and the rebels last arc (my heart broke for Breezy-boi when I read her name among the list of cats who died). The death of a child can strain a couple’s relationship and that battle should never have happened but did because Mistystar and Harestar were being mouse brains. So I could see Breezepelt and Heathertail already having a rocky relationship due to Smakehaze’s death because Heathertail blame Breezepelt for “allowing” her to join the rebels, while at the same time Breezepelt not only blames himself but also Harestar for her death and makes his anger with his leader well known. If he and his daughters adopt an outsider as their own, I can see the Clan (ESPECIALLY Heathertail) accusing them of trying to “replace” Smokehaze and issues arising with that. Meanwhile, Nightheart being insecure about his place in WindClan and thinking he IS just a replacement that’s causing issues, has to be reassured and almost annoying amount of time that that’s not the case, that Breezepelt and his daughters would have taken him in regardless of whether Smokehaze was dead or alive.
I also feel like, since we barely see Nightheart in TBC, the Erin’s can say he and Smokehaze were decent friends that talked at gatherings and said hello at the border. They can have made it out to be that Nightheart admired Smokehaze as a kind but fierce warrior who know right from wrong and part of his problems could have that he’s grieving her loss and feels conflicted because she was from another Clan. Maybe they could have made Smokehaze be the unbiased cat he talked to at gatherings about his issues in ThunderClan and without her, he’s lost and confused. The he joins WindClan and is taken in by Breezepelt and his daughters and through helping them grieve, he comes to terms with his own sense of loss for Smokehaze.
There is so much more the Erin’s could have done just by giving Nightheart a reason to join WindClan and be adopted into Breezepelt’s family. And very little would have had to be shoehorned into the plot. If it had hands, it would have written itself! Plus, I like the idea of BREEZEPELT’S daughter “marrying” a THUNDERCLAN cat, one related to Lionblaze and Jayfeather (but not Breezepelt) at that.
Honestly… I just finished the book and reading nightheart and sunbeams final chapters, when they think about each other, I don’t see any romance, at all. I see two cats who have spent their entire life looking for love, and it always being just out of reach. Sunbeam in a romantic partner, and nightheart with his kin and thunderclan. Sunbeam has always been the one showing affection, and thinking that she and blazefire were in love. She can’t sort out her feelings, and can’t figure out her thoughts between wanting to be annoyed with both blazefire and lightleap, but still wanting to care about them and love them, even if just platonically. Meanwhile nightheart has even bigger problems. He’s never met his father, and due to larksongs death, his mother was relatively absent from his life. From there any interaction between this mother and her kit are very awkward and strained, and become slowly more hostile, with each failed assesment, and being fully aggressive when he changed his name. He’s always felt like the outlier, and never been shown respect or love, platonic, family, or romantically. So the way I see NightSun is that they both just want to be friends. They both just need some cat to lean on, and to confide in at the end of a long day, and while I agree that could be a interesting romance, this isn’t the case with this. They both just want the other as a friend, and want to escape their burdens. I honestly would love it if after the catmint journey, nightheart became so attracted to life outside the clans that he left, but every once in a while would sneak onto shadowclan territory, to chat with the one cat who he could trust. I don’t see any romance, just two exhausted cats who want the other as a friend but don’t know how to discern platonic love and romantic love.
I feel like nightheart’s conflict in this book was actually pretty realistic. (for nightheart being a teen and young adult sort of age.) Feeling like everyone is against you and you can’t do anything right is something that I understand as a teen and while I feel like it definitely makes me see him as maybe a younger cat, (because it seems a bit immature) the problem is still actually pretty realistic. All he wanted was to be himself, but he feels like no cat will except him if he is, so he fantasizes about leaving those cats behind for people who will treat him better. He doesn’t actually act on it until the end of the book though, which I think he will end up realizing is a mistake, but I understand that total feeling of frustration and longing to be respected. Sort of like a real life teen feeling such frustrations with their parents, and thinking about running away. I also anticipate what will be sort of a walk of shame, like after fighting with somebody and having to go back into the room and face them again, but walking back into his old clan and having the shame and hurt coming back. if the past is any indication, it seems like his clanmates don’t let go of things very easily. I’m sure it’s also not helping this feeling that his sister, who was originally on his side, had completely switched sides to disliking him and being angry. If this isn’t merely a writing mistake, and she really did support him at first, and then just became cold almost 2 moons later then I can understand why he would feel unwanted if her and sparkpelt won’t even let him speak to them.
Edit: this does not mean that I want him and sunbeam to get together, because I absolutely do not. Their romance seems sort of… weird. like they always referred to each other as ‘friends’ and ‘good friends’ and how it was ‘nice to have a friend’ and then all of a sudden nightheart realized he wanted to leave his clan, and the only friend he had outside it was in shadowclan so he tried to convince himself that they would be good mates. I was honestly really holding out hope that she would reject him for Lightleap, but that possibility has pretty much gone to zero. I just really hope that they realize that they only need to be friends because their dynamic isn’t really romantic chemistry, it’s more like besties.
This!!
also sunbeam is quite a bit older than nightheart and it feels weird
I LOVE the design for Sunbeam here!! ❤
I want them to be awful for each other as mates lol it's already happening in book 2 so I'm want this plotline to be that they fall apart. or Sunbeam just friendzones him. he seems way more invested than she is in him, beyond he's a good friend who listens
AGREEDDDDD Sunbeam *does* think that he’s handsome at one point, but as you said Nightheart seems way more invested than she is (they haven’t even known eachother for that long and he’s just immediately moving to ShadowClan assuming they’ll be mates)
The Erins might just pull another bristle (where sunbeam isn’t all that interested and then the next book she’s somehow madly in love with him) but I really hope not
@@possumqe9751 from Nighthearts thoughts before he reaches Shadowclan my assumption is he has a crush on her and believes he could fall in love with her if given the chance. That added with the bits from Sunbeams perspective I’m hoping for a med/slow burn where they spend the third book “courting” and sometime in book 4/5 become mates but unfortunately that likely won’t happen
@@sinwolfe4868 yeah!! why do erins make the romances so quick? :/ I’d like sunxnight a bit more if their relationship was built up, but they seem to make relationships happen as quickly as possible, how am I supposed to get invested?? :||
@@possumqe9751 exactly they make romances fast burn! I think the last med to slow burn romance was Firestar and Sandstorm and that’s frankly ridiculous! Give us friends to lovers and mutual pining damnt
@@sinwolfe4868 fire and sand was really nicely paced
I feel bad for Nightheart quite honestly. He doesn’t deserve the treatment he’s getting from Squirrelflight, Sparkpelt, and Finchlight. I never liked Sparkpelt, but the way she treats her own SON is what hardened my dislike for her into hate. Finchlight is just as bad, she’s Nightheart’s sister, but yet she treats Nightheart as if he was a dumb kit.
In the second book of A Vision of Shadows, Sparkpelt receives her Warrior name. Graystripe is heard stating that he thought Sparkpelt would be named Sparkfire in honor of Firestar because she looks so much like him, but no, they had to make a black cat that doesn’t even look like Firestar take on that duty. I honestly don’t get it. Bramblestar doesn’t name his daughter after Firestar, but yet he chose his daughter’s black-pelted son to be named after him? Like seriously, Bramblestar, YOU CAN DO BETTER!!!!
I hope that they become mates but they find more problems that way and just separate like Crowfeather and Nightcloud with no kits though
“Why can’t he just talk to his mom and sister?” Yeah imma just talk to my mom about all my problems only to get berated for it or be criticized for my issues with my problems or made to feel I was being overdramatic.
upon rereading shadow i must say i really love these two together
Saw this and shouted
"NOT ANOTHER FORBIDDEN ROMANCE"
*THIS BETTER BE GOOD*
Sunbeam reminds me so much of Bristlefrost lol
FOR REAL she's a warrior who cares about the code and she had a cat she had a crush on (white and ginger tom) who chose her best friend over her, and now she's getting into a forbidden clan romance. It's just a copy and paste from The broken Code XD we need something original!! I really hope Sunbeam and Nightheart stay just friends!
Yeah, the writers are running out of ideas at this point lol
OH HELL NO THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING-
I mean it was obvious since the moment Blazefire and Sunbeam broke up that NightxSun would be a thing. I don't support it or like it but I highly doubt they'll break up. I'd like that and them to be friends but based on warriors writers it is very doubtful. I see some people want Night to go back to Thunderclan but I think it would be the worst thing. First, we need less incest. Second, that clan is toxic to him and no amount of him speaking up for himself was going to change it. Like it or not his family is horrible to him and he can't just talk to them based on how they treat him in this book. I'm glad he left and I hope he gets into a clan. He might fail that clan assesment trial and be forced to join a different clan which would also be intresting. I really don't want him to go back to Thunder. Yes not all his problems will be resolved and he'll have to prove himself but he shouldn't have to force himself to be content with a toxic family and leader/deputy. Also can Squirrel and Bramble die I'm so sick of them it's insane they are still so prominent in this series. I don't hate either like some do but their drama and leadership has become such a bore
I’m sick of every protagonist getting a m8. I really hope that Sunbeam and Nightheart will ONLY BE FRIENDS. And also that Frostpaw will not actually become m8s with Splashtail
When you try not to get spoiled, but your favourite warrior cats youtuber uploads:
I desperately need these 2 to just be friends! Why does every cat have to fall in love? The Erin’s need to quit doing this with every cat. I know they probably will, but if Nightheart and Sunbeam actually are mates and have kits at the end of Starless Clan Im going to be outrageous.
Yes! I totally agree with you! But omg that would be so easy, if you could just make all your problems go away by talking to someone.
Like just imagine:
You: yeah, my dog died, I'm really sad...
Your partner: oh I'm really sorry about that!
Dead dog: *poofs back into existence*
Lol as soon as I read their first interaction with each other, I immediately knew what was about to go down...
Something I'd like to see is them trying and failing to be a thing. Like. They barely got time to know each other, but especially, they sympathise with each other with skewed vision of their stories. Like, Sunbeam thinks everyone is mean to Nightheart for no reason, she has no idea how he behave. If they actually got to live together, they're bound to realize that they don't know each other that well
The Erins:
"hM
so we have three protaginists that arent related to eachother.
hM
we have a tom and a she.
hM
since in the real life when boys turns friends with a girl they always becomes girl/boyfriends, we need to do this with every single main character because romance is the answer to anything, mwah mwah"
(And this always annoy me, bro they cant just be friends? I dont like romance, but i accepted that in the first arc because it wasnt too forced. Now, every single arc needs to be a forbidden romance, two of the main characters pairing with eachother (when they arent parents in any way) and the character that was left without no one falls in love for another character. Im tired of it)
Lol i agree
I hate this mindset of "a girl and a boy are close, they must be dating!" cuz i have this friend group on school and two of my friends are a boy and a girl in the same class as me, so i talk a lot with both of them. But people totally erases the girl's existence and they think i'm dating the boy cuz i talk a lot to him and other stuff, i never showed any interest in him nor he showed any in me, and worse, he's dating someone already but nobody believes us when we say that, they think we are pulling some forbidden romance sh1t or something like WC lmao-
And they erase the fact i literally flirt with the girl friend i have all the time, but the dude i never showed interest, ah yes, we must be dating, totally lol 💀
Erins: we have two protagonists of the opposite gender and from different clans…
LETS MAKE THEM A COUPLE!
@@rexonateabandona9037 Lol yes
also, i know you're brazilian and so do i. :)
(mano tb odeio qnd isso acontece, eu sou uma menina (me dá um encômodo dizer isso, de alguma forma mas dá), tenho dois amigos meninos. Ainda não sei cm os meus colegas não me shippam cm eles mano, ainda não sei, sla algum milagre do Clã das Estrelas, n sei. Mas psé né mano, isso me irrita muito-)
When Nightheart said: "This ShadowClan cat was so comfortable in her own pelt. He'd feel jealous if he didn't like her so much" that's literally me when I see cis people.
Just want to say I’m not a Warriors fan but I clicked because of the cat art. Idk, I love how fluffy the ShadowClan cat is drawn, it’s very satisfying :)
I haven’t read a warriors book since River and I’m fine with spoilers for this book, but why on earth did Nightheart and Sunbeam already get together?! I want Nightheart to move clans yes, but maybe just be friends with Sunbeam? If they have good chemistry later on I might like it, but I’m kinda getting a bit tired with main characters falling for each other… (not hate towards anyone who likes this ship)
I’m also tired of EVERY PROTAGONIST finding love.
I swear thunderclan has had a forbidden romance with every clan...
Its a good day when a new video comes out
Random thing but can we talk about how pinestar was most likely a leader when leopardfoot was born? She’s like a child to him. And the same with Bluestar and Oakheart. He became warrior when she was an apprentice.
Yeah- he was 6 years older than her
I definitely agree with leopard and pine, but I don’t think Blue and Oak is that bad. They were kits at the same time for a little while, so I think he’s only a few moons older than her.
He was a leader when she was born and also she was his apprentice which is really weird…. Also I don’t think he ever really loved her considering how he literally spent two days with that other kitty pet and then fell in love with her while with leopardfoot he never visited the kits and when he left he didn’t seem to really care that she would have to raise the kits without him.
Yeah and? These are cats, not people. Cats behave differently when it comes to relationships than human. Age does not matter to them as it does to humans. Age is just a number to them. Once a cat hits 6 months, they're ready to mate.
He trained with Leopardfoot's GRANDMA.
My finger immediately clicked on this video as soon as I saw it.
I can't believe Lightleap is Dovewing's daughter.
I wish they could just be good friends. I also feel like Nightheart could end up in Windclan as he seemed to really like open plains and the wind in his fur. Romance doesn’t need to be the centre of everything and I hope the characters and Erins realise this.
So i read this book... And I hated this romance. It was boring, forced, and unsupported, but my biggest issue is the fact that the book made a point to tell us that the journey they went on was 2 days. They knew each other for two days and decided they loved each other. Like, these cats don't know each other at all! Also, Nightheart not only thought about how great theyd be great mates while he was spying on her and using her, he totally used her as an excuse to get away from his own hard situation.
And also the fact that frostpaw has a crush now just makes 3/3 protagonists revolve around romance and the next books are going to be torture
Also, did Nightheart even talk to sunbeam about going to ShadowClan??
The way I see it, it could be redeemed if this is brought into question in the narrative. Sunbeam is on the rebound from being very interested in Blazefire and then being shot down. Nightheart is literally running away from his problems and is justifying it as "Sunbeam likes me, so im going to go be mates with Sunbeam, and everything will be better" even though that doesn't fix his problems. Night also did NOT talk to Sunbeam about being mates OR going to ShadowClan; he just assumed it would be that way. Frostpaw is reaching for something to distract her because she's so overwhelmed with the responsibilities that have been heaped on her and doesn't know to handle it. If the book brings this stuff up and has Sun and Night realize their relationship does not work, I will really like the plotline.
Of course Erins decided that Sunbeam and Nightheart will be mates 🙄
I hope they don't do something stupid and kill one of them off but sky was so much filler I can't stand sparkpelt or finchflight they are so mean bc night heart changed his name
I know!! This book had so much filler lol, it was just the cats talking in circles and being so out of character. And of course ANOTHER traveling quest and ANOTHER forbidden romance. After the Broken Code I had hope they were getting creative but this arc so far is like a copy and paste lol
Yeah I agree about the filler thing. Most of the book was focused on the lack of catmint and stuff
@@PP-id5rw A plot we have seen so many times before now! XD
@@HiHi-lt1cb yeah so did I the broken code arc is the weakest of all the arcs imo
In every series theres a forbidden love:
one thing that caught me off guard with the book was the random introduction of a warrior cats slur
To me it felt very rushed, but it also felt like the narrative was somehow aware of that. I don't know if the Erins are just getting even worse at writing romance, or if this is supposed to be a couple of stupid kids making stupid choices on stupid whims, and it will come back to bite them in a huge way. I got a very 'Bluefur and Oakheart' vibe from it; this meaning something that was supposed to be this sweeping, epic romance but ended up feeling like a meaningless, lusty fling that would have been completely over if not for the kits that resulted from it.
Hey Akira! I was wondering the chronological order of the books, for it gets confusing and the time lines get to complicated for me. Maybe a vid about it? That's all. Your video is amazing by the way!
You neglected that the reason for Nightheart being stuck to apprentice duties, that’s clearly elaborated upon a couple or times, being that there’s no apprentices to handle them. Secondly probably being because of his utter incompetency with handling greater responsibility. But otherwise great video.
I knew from the moment they spoke they were gonna be yet another forddien romance and it's just so so unnecessary. And Frostpaw had feelings for that one cat whose name I can't remember
Splashtail I think
I believe it was SplashTail
Splashtail
Splashtail
Spashtail
I think they should get together based on convenience and then realize they’re not actually in love and break up pretty soon after to stay close friends in ShadowClan
I would be impressed if the Erins pull that off lol
@@HiHi-lt1cb me too, it would just be so nice to see that growth in both sides! I doubt it would happen tho
I know how forbidden romances are a huge controversy in Warrior Cats, and I agree, but I also have another reason: where was the chemistry?? Nightheart and Sunbeam never felt a sort of romantic “connection” to each other while on the journey to get catmint. I thought you need some sort of connection or affection for each other before you two become mates? They just felt like good friends that understand each other.
NightHeart needs therapy and Sunbeam needs some good karma
I could really see this being a good plot point but only if the Erins are smart about it. I could see it being revealed over time that sunbeam and nightheart aren’t really in love but as young and inexperienced cats with troubled families they are just using each other unhealthily to try and cope with their troubles in life. Sunbeam is a young warrior coming off of a bad break up, and she’s facing conflict with her mother revolving around one of her brothers. I could see this sudden lack of stable relationships in her life pushing her to seek out a new connection with a cat who is in a similarly rough situation. That cat is in this case, nightheart. I think it even makes a bit of sense for her to specifically look for a scandalous relationship like a cross clan relationship in order to spite her xenophobic mother and even perhaps show her brother spireclaw that he’s not alone in the battle for cross clan love. I think this sudden decision also makes sense for nightheart’s character. We see that he also has difficult relationships with almost all of his family and he doesn’t seem to have any close friendships in thunderclan. I think it’s reasonable that this isolation would cause him to seek out a relationship of some kind with a cat outside thunderclan. Nightheart is also shown to be rather flashy and also almost thoughtless in his decisions sometimes. During one of his first two warrior assessments he raced a hawk for prey, a bold but foolish choice since the hawk could have very well killed him. Nightheart, as shown by his strong dislike for his legacy that appears to seep into all parts of his life, also has little regard for tradition. I think his tendency for flashy and not well thought out displays, his disregard for tradition, and his youth actually makes switching clans to escape his problems pretty realistic. Now if the Erins can just not make this switch about love, and use it as a device to further to explore our protagonists’ personal problems as well as their lack of coping skills, I think this plot point could actually be super good and bring a lot of satisfying character development and engaging conflict into this new arc.
I really enjoy Nightheart and Sunbeam's POVs whenever they arent thinking about eachother
Warrior Cats should have male/female cats friendships that are just FRIENDS! Nothing more!
Why should they fall in love so fast? And why should they fall in love in the first place? And even if it happens, why are they always from different clans?
We've been with that topic since the first arc and it's so repetitive it can get boring.
Also, you don't fall in love with anyone who is nice to you, if so, no one would have friends, only partners.
I really wish I could see some of those lifelong friendships on Warrior Cats, but they always have to add the word "love" like they've never done that before.
Oh my god, right when I saw Blazefire I was like: "Woah, GOD! BLAZEFIRE! That is NOT how I pictured you! 😯Lol.
Yeah, I got really upset when they became mates. Also HOW they became mates.It's like Nightheart just DECIDED that he loved ehr, instead of actually falling in love. It sucked.
I stopped reading the series because of the series. I miss the old one. The first and 2nd series atleast. And the 3rd a BIT. I dont see why there has to be like 50 forbidden relationships. Im not saying their were 50 but il name some. Graystripe X silvierstream, Onewhisker x that cats name i forgot (idk if it counts bc whitetail was his mate) Nightheart and sumbeam ofc leafpool x crowfeather and yellowfang x raggedstar. And bluestar x oakheart. Not all of these ships are annying but theres a lot of this and i dont like it. Please dont hate on me if i got sum wrong btw.
and Dovewing and Tigerheart, and Bristlefrost and Rootspring. XD And the cat's name was Smoke!
I might be misreading the situation but I find it so creepy how Nightheart just decides he and Sunbeam will be mates without even telling her, even saying something like “I won’t tell her right away I’ll lead her into the idea” it feels like he sees her as an object more than an individual
good that would be interesting for plot
Okay, at first I was like, “o wow another forbidden romance how original” and then I was just like, okay this one is WAY better. Because at first they seem to be friends, and then nightheart hates thunderclan, so he leaves, BUT sunbeams MOTHER, HATES clans switching, so it adds MORE, and nighthearts family will hate HIM more, so I’m thinking maybe sunbeam and nightheart could BOTH move to another clan, or they will just stay and have to keep fighting with berryheart.
Same lol
WHAT IF THEY CREATE THEIR OWN CLAN?? okay i know that’ll never happen
@@PP-id5rw it could make a good fan fiction tho lol
FINALLY IM NOT THE ONLY ONE
I thank the literal anything that we don't have a fully orange or maybe even partially orange protagonist kitty
i want these two together, i generally think its a good idea, i dont see anyone else agreeing though..
Can we at least give them a chance. If I remember correctly, fans weren't so enthusiastic about bristlefrost and rootspring, but after Light In The Mist, the fanbase wanted nothing more than for them to be together.
I think everyone is just tired of the two male/female protagonists becoming all lovey dovey after having like two conversations. It really is a boring plot line at this point. Rootspring and Bristlefrost only really worked because they had completely different personalities form book-to-book. Bristlefrost went from “I don’t like him. He’s weird and awkward” to “oh Rootspring is the best cat ever I love him so much” in about a book.
@@metaco1589 Honestly I think rushing into a relationship fits Nightheart's personality quite well, his identity crisis and botched relationships with his family, he's a grumpy boy who's emotions are all over the place, desperately looking for a positive relationship and trying to make something of it is sorta believable behavior in my opinion.
@@TheAshfurApologist I do agree with you there. It is rather fitting for Nightheart’s personality. But this is also… the 6th time a character has gotten into what will likely be a forbidden romance. It’s tiresome. The only times I can’t think of it happening are in DoTC (which wouldn’t even count anyways) and AVoS. And AVoS might even count, because I don’t remember the circumstances of Twigbranch and Finleap’s relationship in there. I think Nightheart’s situation is a very intriguing one, even if he is a bit close-minded when it comes to any of his relationships.
To clairify, 6 times a MAIN character (POV of a book or important enough for me to count them [i.e. Graystripe]) has gotten into a forbidden relationship
@@metaco1589 I see, although with the new code changes, it's really not forbidden I think. Like yeah, sparkpelt, squirrelflight and bramblestar will probably make a big deal about nightheart being with sunbeam, because they're mad at him for disrespecting the family and what-not, and berryheart will obviously have issues with her daughter dating outside the clan, but it's perfectly legal. I don't know how things are going to work out(berryheart might try and kill nightheart lol) their both young and dumb, it's possible they might not even become a long time couple.
it most likely there jude nightheart for being ex-thunderclan weather then being firestar kin so that might take away some of his issue for nxt book. he steal would have to prove himself at least he doesn't have shadow to live up to.
Why can’t Nightfart and Sunbeam JUST BE FRIENDS!
Actually based
Nightfart?…………………
No
IFKR!!!
The only forbidden romance I actually liked was Moth Flight and Micah. Everything after that I either couldn’t care less about (Crowleaf), thought it was decent but still had flaws (Bristleroot), or thought it was absolute garbage (Dovetiger).
Honestly I’m so glad they didn’t make Heatherlion canon in the books. I cringed every time they had a chapter together and it just seemed so weirdly forced. Plus I kinda like how Breezepelt had a soft spot for someone. I wasn’t expecting him to get a mate and that just made it better. Plus you can see he actually cares for his family: he’s proud when his daughters are made apprentices/Warriors. It’s better that they gave another character more depth instead of making a whole nother forbidden romance thing with Lionblaze.
YES
@@puppydogs68 gray silver was interesting too because it was the first and we never experienced it before, but after that besides Micah and Moth flight it declined in being interesting
I ❤️ blazefire, he seems like such a good and understanding freind, I feel like sunbeam kind of pushed him away after she found out he didn’t like her
Honestly I feel the romance will fall apart by the end of this arc. And the foreshadowing has Nightheart feel he may go to Windclan, feeling like an emo Graywing, I think that is the only stable plot idea for Nightheart. Then again I love Windclan whenever Onestar is not leading.
Erins:
we have two protagonists of the opposite gender! and their from different clans!! SO LETS MAKE THEM A COUPLE!! And also make the med protagonist have a forbidden crush…
WHY DOES THIS APPEAR TWICE IN THE COMMENTS!?
I never expected this-
I hate Nightheart I’m sorry, and we don’t need another forbidden romance. I hope they break up and Nightheart finds where he belongs and Sunbeam finds someone else.
OH COME ON I just made an oc named sunbeam are you fking kidding me?? This is why I need to read all the books aaaaaaa
And I had hope this would be a good arc. 😔
I was going to watch it before I realised it was on a book I didn’t read.
Sorry, but it will have to wait.
I hate it. I don’t want them to get together, i was literally begging the book while i read it to not lead to a romance plot
When your friends oc is sunbeam:
I didn't quite like the part where he thought: "She would make a /great/ mate." It kind of rubbed me the wrong way...
I think Nightheart and Sunbeam would be better off as just friends/platonic mates, but I wouldn't mind the two actually getting together and being romantic. I would say a lot more but I'm afraid of getting attacked lol
i left the warriors fandom 2 years ago, and im finding these newer videos on them and i just have to say, what the hell
Happy Thanksgiving 🎉
what i really wanted, while i don’t think it’ll happen, was for nightheart to think he’s in love with sunbeam, when he’s actually just interested in the idea of being in shadowclan. like he and sunbeam can be friends! i don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s a fun idea to play with i think
I'd like to ask something.
What color are Berryheart's eyes?
The wiki says amber but aren't they blue?..
Idk about anyone else but I think they could actually be good “mates”
Anyone who actually likes this ship makes me feel grossed out
Speaking from personal experience, a guy who love bombs you, always compliments you, and stalks you (you may or may not know it), it's genuinely uncomfortable. Especially if you are still trying to get over a rejection. It really sucks. Put yourself in that situation: would you like having a guy like that? Would you want to get with someone like that?
It may feel good but really it will only hurt yourself in the long run.
I won't be surprised if they do get together. But it will send a really bad message.
And that's my pointless rant on fictional characters.
thats a veery justified reason to dislike thee ship! :) I don't see a lot of people in the comments liking it and myself I also am not a fan.
however maybe say the ship grosses you out and not the people who ship it? ^^; theres no reason to diss on the irl folk for the faults of the characters
wait wtf i didn't know nightheart and sunbeam loved each other what the hell is going on
*me privately drawing sunbeam x nightheart fanart for no reason*
i want them to have a mother/son relationship because of moonkitti lol
i change my mind
I love this couple 🥰
lol after River I’ve given up on warriors so I ain’t reading anymore, I can hear about the old hooey through you guys haha
Can Nightheart and Sunbeam just.. be friends? With no romance involved, just a great solid friendship story. It would be refreshing for Warriors to go that kind of direction for a change, because i'm so tired of these halfhearted repetetive romance subplots
Though I am onboard the Nightbeam/Sunheart ship, I'm beginning to headcanon Nightheart/Bayshine and Sunbeam/Lightleap and if they decide to have kits they can be a joined surrogate family 🥰
right now, i dont hate it or love it, if they have good chemistry ill like it, but why do the erins have to have two main characters from different clans falling for each other, and then a third protagonist just in the back, who also happenes to be a medicine cat (rootstring, bristlefrost, and shadowsight, anyone?). (also this has nothing to do with my comment but sparkpelts face in the video had me cracking up what is hat expression tho)
I really really wish Nightheart had more conflict with Sparkpelt and Finchflight, I would also like to see their reactions to Nightheart leaving. I honestly wish he talked it out a couple times and it went badly but he keeps going while being slightly stubborn, until his family bonds with him. I would love to see Sparkpelt and Nightheart bond, that’s why he wants to be with Sunbeam because she gave him support when his mother never did, so it’s a relief for him. Though he does try to get more support from Sunbeam, which isn’t good.
3:50 i think they were trying to ship tease baynight lol
Most people hate this ship, but I semi like it. I know there's a lot of forbidden romance in warrior cats, but look, I'm on Outcast, there's been like- leafpool and crowfeather, anddd lionpaw and heatherpaw i guess?? I know there's like 15 in the first arc, but like everyone has read that arc so-
I think nightheart and sunbeam work together because it's not an abusive ship, most people in the comments really hate it, but i like it. A partner that will at least understand when you vent to them is a good idea, instead of complaining or being abusive like bramble and squrriel.
Overall, I just like this ship, and if you got any problems, don't complain to me, i suck at doing that stuff. Complain in some random google document.
…..………………………………Wait what if? Like actually, what if their actually in love? 🤯