How do you make a good build in Path of Exile? - [PoE Uni]
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Zizaran holds another Path of Exile University lesson. This time covering buildmaking and how to distinguish between a good build and a bad build.
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I absolutely love hovering over your videos since it always has subtitles on.
"Hi this is Scissoring and welcome to PeeWee University."
Gets me everytime
I was just thinking this lolol
Never noticed but now im turning on subtitles. Thanks for the laugh!
This needs to be a T-Shirt!
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It's only the truth
The single biggest issue with making builds is just not knowing every single affix and unique from the top of your head, in addition to knowing the passive skill tree so well you can dream about it. When you know all of this info, seeing the description of a unique is enough to know if it's good or not because you know what other affixes or passive tree points are good synergy.
Like I often try making builds and then ask someone for tips on how to improve it, and they just straight up tell me ''this unique will double your damage'' or ''this passive will quadruple your health'' and I didn't even know it existed.
same, it is kinda frustrating to some but i really love the extension of this game, the difference is gigantic and the amount of information makes u an alchemist trying to create the philosopher stone or some shit..
and remember, Mistakes are part of the pregress
I always begin planning my builds with the bare minimum Uniques possible, I always plan them around SSF play, and only include absolutely required Uniques by default, and then maybe have a separate gear set with chase items on it. You can also figure out which uniques will be good for your build by just using PoB and sorting the gear list by different damage options. PoB honestly makes build planning and theorycrafting pretty simple, even for absolute PoE beginners.
That's half the fun for me on the occasion I wanna theory craft a build. Different strokes I guess.
@@viniciuscarvalho3586
Except when those mistakes take 200+ hours and multiple $20 microtransactions to "progress"...in a videogame.
This is why PoE is such a mess. You can't make a build without specific items. You can't know what items you need for your build unless you know ALL of the items AND get the perfect drops along the way.
It's a cool idea with the skills and links but FUCK ME is it asinine how the skill-point system works.
After didnt participate in the last 4 season, its so good Zizaran's content is still there explaining the stuff I do not know or forgot. Shared with all of my returning friends. Big thumbs up.
ziz thank you help me so much over the past few years. you helped me understand poe so much more and I really want to thank you.
As of right now the issue I have with making my own builds is just game knowledge, I don't know a lot of the uniques and some interactions with support gems. I do have issues with crafting but all that can be fixed over time for the most part.
I am at the point I can modify builds to what I want pretty easily.
I always understand these videos in theory. I follow guides and can get through the campaign and start mapping with the initial gear set I’ve put together.
But inevitably I cap out and need to upgrade my gear and upgrades in PoE very rarely drop, they’re made. And that’s where the wheels fall off the wagon for me.
It always feels like Jenga where pulling off one piece of gear takes away key resistances or other stats that need to be replaced. And as it can only rarely be done in a 1:1 slot item swap, it leads to the entire gear tower to come crashing down around me as I start juggling different pieces.
Thats unfortunately just the nature of the game. Sometimes your build is balanced on a pin and when you do get one upgrade, you cant quite use it until you upgrade multiple pieces at once.
A lot of people wait to upgrade for that reason. Target your upgrades, work on them once your build is stable, and then do a big switch.
It does become easier when you get some nicer pieces, like rings with double T1 ele res in both sockets take care of all of your resistances for a very long time as you shuffle around your gear.
Import new gear pieces you find/craft into PoB so you can compare all the stat changes at a glance before you make a permanent change. That's what I always do in endgame and it makes everything so much easier to visualize and plan around.
Nice videos. Really needed these days because ARPGs have a great year so far and lots of people might try PoE now in addition to D4 und LE
I havent played in 5 years since bestiary and I've been thinking of coming back so these videos are perfect
I might have a go next season at making my own build. One of the first characters I ever played was a quarterstaff battlemage inquisitor but it suuucked. So went onto following build guides, might revisit as it was fun before it sucked.
Yeah, i swapped to SSF after Harvest, been playing since Fall of Oriath. I definately fell into the "How much is this particular activity worth per hour" trap. SSF has been a hidden blessing on so many levels for me. Can only recommend it to others who feel like theyre playing for Divines instead of fun.
With SFF I'm in trap of "Which of the activities will be the best to work on for getting my first (and probably only) 6-link"
Godspeed to aspiring build creators!
Honestly, the hardest part of making a build is actually testing it out, lol. Some builds you can't even start until like level 90+, so you play a different build, speedrun to level 90, just to find out the build theory you had simply doesn't work at all, and now you're back to the drawing board.
Perfect timing. I needed this video. Just hit Act 10 and was really wondering if I was heading in the right direction with my build. Also shout out to mrllamasc for helping me find you. I saw yall testing D4 together and was like hey who's this guy. And now that I've started PoE your my go to Content creator.
You have an amazing point that I wish most people followed. People min max the fun out of everything. You can't do anything without it being "efficient" when the whole point of me playing a game is to relax and have fun.
is your build melee? 1)no -> you are probably good 2)yes -> is your build bonezone?
Making your own build is definitely in the PoE Uni Graduate program and you'll need at least a 4+ GPA to take the class lmao
it's literally a "content creators" job to do this why tf should we bother with it
Its not that hard. You can try to adapt some guide to your playstyle and it can be really good for you
@@n91312 for fun?
@@n91312 GGG 100% intended that all builds should be make by content creators. Why should we learn to make our own? /s
@@n91312 You take these builds and chance them to fit your playstyle,you don't need to follow these guides to a T you know that right? lol
I literally theory craft/plan out a build, level on the side of the tree taking as much damage as possible and little to no life through the acts, and once I hit maps I start gearing and respecing my tree. Every time. Tried and true. This is a GREAT way to test different skill that coincide with that character class/part of the tree as well.
I always learn a new thing from these videos. Before the last one I thought you only needed to have the map connected to drop an uncompleted map. I didn´t know it had to be of 1 tier below. Thanks so much for all these videos. Also, any content creator or build recommended to try out flicker strike or ice shot?
Magefist
The part with the explanation of PoB calculations and "false positives" is super helpful for new-ish players trying to plan builds... you can easily fall into the trap of "paper DPS" and then get massively disappointed when you take it into the actual game.
to expand on phys>elemental for newer players, raising up your max elemental resistance makes this mod even stronger.
I'd love to see you make a new build from the very start to the very end on PoB. Preferably with an underused skill.
The caption said:"hi, scisoring here" lol
I'm thinking of doing a gladiator double strike w/ bleed for the bleed explosions, but im wondering if making the bleed part even worth scaling into in terms of damage(ive been staring at crimson dance), or should i keep bleed as something only to procc debuffs, and ofcourse bleedsplosions.
Bleed can definitely be very strong when built around. It's never quite at the level of poison or ignite, but can be extremely strong nonetheless. The main thing with bleeds is that the base damage to the attack affects the damage over time, and with Crimson Dance only the highest application of bleed gets applied per stack and overrides lesser applications, so you want to have very big hits. If you combine huge hits + Crimson Dance + A ton of Crit Multi with Perfect Agony, you can shred everything. If you want to focus purely on the Bleed damage, though, then you might be better off using Lacerate or Bladestorm as your main skill.
Can you make a Vaal lightning arrow map blaster build ? i rly want to play that but im not expirienced enought to do a build on my own
Is the %phys taken as ele stat also valuable for builds with a high amount of armor (eg boneshatter jugg)?
yes and no. Armor is scaled off the dmg from the hit, so the more dmg the hit does, the less useful your armor is overall. So things like shaper slam for most builds will do alot of dmg, but shifting some of that dmg to a standard 75% ele mitigation can be very useful. You will need alot of investment into armor for it to outclass ele res when it comes to mitigating the Biggest hits in the game from ubers, but other than that it wont be That noticeable a difference.
I liked this video, but it felt like part 1 of 4
I think the worst mistake I make even after 600 hours [which I barely feel like I'm phasing out of newbie with knowledge] is to not just try to make a build "on the fly" with PoB open. More frustration than just sitting down proper and pre-building.
Thank you for this video Ziz! ♡
Im going I blind I'm a d4 refugee but definitely doing it on my own and figuring this huge game out is so much fun . Little videos like this don't even scratch the service this game is crazy big I can't belive it
SOOOO I should blindly roll Spec Helix CoC dagger Sabo on SSF leaguestart or no? Video unclear 😢
Hey your old video about BS Slayer still works for 3.21?
Just wondering if you have ever tried a build that features thread of hope jewels to be able to stack passive skills without mapping to them, or branching off of passive skills that you've grabbed using the jewel. I think it could make for some wild builds with a little creativity.
What might be a replacement for the eternal damnation amulet?
He Ziz i have a question, to you update your explosiv arrow build for the new league? i really love the build but i wondering if i have to change same things. Also a version for sc would be nice :D with high damage.
if you want damage you should go for the Elementalist version, Palsteron has a guide on Maxroll. Ziz's guides tend to prioritize tank and comfort while having good enough but not crazy damage
It would be soo good if poe had a free respec atleast untill you start mapping.
Yeah im gonna do my own build and if i cant get to yellow maps im uninstalling lol
Im doing an ice witch, hopefully if im weak ill be able to freeze everything anyway
build? you mean copy pasta?
most people start with it
What I do, is find a league-starter build, get to the endgame, and then get bored and stop playing PoE for half a year. :-D
Me too .. :D I just dont like the repetative endgame maping ..
@@MrLu4o for me it's how the gearing gets complicated, I don't really understand what's an upgrade and what isn't and I don't plan to spend a month learning things
Ive tried for 5 seasons and none of my own builds could get past white maps. One problem is i always try melee
I've got 3000 hours and I know the basics of what goes into a build, so I was hoping this would be more instructional than explanatory.
I just searched up how to do this, went on the old engineering eternity guide from 6 years ago, looked in my notification box, and sure enough at the very top was this video.
I pick duelist and then go the ranger route with split arrow and then all of a sudden pick up blast rain with an ascendacy of a gladiator. God i love how this game kicks my ass
the hard part of builds for me is knowing all the items you could work with to really get to a nice one.
28:22 "look how little life i have".. every softcore trade player felt that deeply
Video on bow builds like toxic rain and pob update
New player here
I was always told that similar to how you said armor % is not correct elemental res is not "honest" as well.
Like that's the reason why +1 or w/e max res is so important, and that's why capping res is important, as if the 75% fire res will reduce more than just 5% compared to 70% fire res ( or any other ele res)
Is this true or maybe outdated info?
its a math question, considering that everybody have 75% res (cap), if you get +1% max ress u dont get -1% elemental damage, u get -4%, cuz that 1 % in 25 is equal to 4% damage reduction, so yeah, its not wrong on the character sheet
elemental res is honest, its just the math behind it isnt very intuitive for a majority of people. If you take 1000 fire damage, and have 75% fire resistance, you resist 750 damage (75%) and take 250 damage. If you have 80% fire resistance you resist 800 damage (80%) and take 200 damage. Logical, and linear reduction. BUT since the base line is always at 75 regardless, when you go above it the impact is more significant. That 5% from 75 to 80 technically reduces the damage the same amount as 70 to 75, but comparatively its a lot more. That 5% made the original hit of damage you take (250) a full 50 damage less (200). 50 damage from 250 damage is a reduction of damage taken by 20%.
So while your resistance changed from 75 to 80 and the damage you took from the WHOLE attack (the original unmitigated 1000 hit) is reduced by 5%. The damage you took compared to 75% is a 20% difference.
So I guess if you want to be simple, elemental res isnt honest because math is funny.
@Durzaka this would've been even easier to understand with a bigger number but well put.
thank you :-)
i have that skeleton build still on standard. i killed my first shaper with it 😂
"i had a build one time that i literally couldn't map, it would take 5 to 10 minutes to clear a map [...]" bro that's like my every build every league and they're not bossers 💀
EA ballista Champion with perma adrenaline will work?
I want to make an ignite build but I don't wanna make an explosive arrow ballista build because it isn't my fantasy. What about fireball, blast rain or scorching ray? Why am I so much worse off with these builds and can hardly reach endgame, if at all? That isn't fun, even though the skills themselves are fun.
You can just check out a build that uses these skills,see the uniques they use and the skill tree and then just change to fit your playstyle,take the build as a base basically.
This ame is unforgiven. If your build is bad then you hit a brick wall and cannot progress anymore. RIP. Need to start all over again.
wait whats the one bad build ziz published? lol im curious
Well now I’m interested, what was the one bad build?
Edit: 2:34 I see…
0:44 ooh boy I remember that EA deadeye on 3.9. that was actually my first league start ever and o took that build. LMAO
I have a Spark Trickster build that I POB'd middle of Sanctum with what I call basic bitch gear. Isn't a "starter" by any means. But it's one that I plan on playing at the start/using for most things. There's a bit... Guess you could say "hard" things to get. Which are influenced curse on hit rings. For Ele Weakness and Conduct. But those are obvs for way later/upgrades. I'm thinking it'll have like 1-2.5mil dps early on. With it getting to only 7mil later. Which is fine for me cause I don't care to do Uber fights. And to ME, it looks like a good build but... Idk I'm always unsure about builds that I make for myself. Sanctum I took inspo from your Champ CB build & Grimro's build of it. And basically combined the two & made changes myself. Which.. I was really happy about because I "made" the build. Min-maxed it & so on. But like I said, always unsure about the builds I myself make 🤣 I understand a lot of the fundamentals to make one.
I'll repeat again here if anyone is doing explosive arrow.
Don't calculate it.
Go drop ONE totem and count.
Try various situations... eg: from a standstill, from half screen, against a slippery opponent.
If you play it with pandemonium effect MTX it's really easy to see the difference (when actually playing with full set of totems)
When you get it lined up on a stationary opponent you get a really juicy explosion, declaring that 20 is possible with your setup.
And that's what your calculation would tell you.
But then you try it on small, fast, teleporting, etc and de facto it's really hard to actually get the juicy explosion which declares 20.
The exact breakpoints aren't likely to be very important unless you're running a particular boss that you can fight from a standstill. Getting each extra volley is super important, but there's enough stuff screwing up the situation that your calculated number isn't likely to be good enough in actual play. If you're fighting something strong and dangerous for your power level, slap on some extra skill effect duration to try to guarantee 20 fuses.
And hence, I suggest just counting. Too bad there's no training dummy.
Frost blades trickster is your answer to one button super dps super fast clear speed. And pretty tanky. I can stand still other then the one phase in the eater of worlds fight. I can tank his lightning bolt and all attacks he has. And his one mechanic is easy to deal with and can tank the beam and all.
Fastest way to make the best build.
Step 1: Go to (insert streamer here) video - league start - copy pasta POB
Step 2: Change one node on the tree
Step 3: Publish build as your own
Step 4: Profit
So are Totems minions?
How do i make a good build for any game i play? i copy other good builds out there saves me the headache.
That is just playing other people's game, not playing it yourself lol. Where's the fun in that if actually playing the game is a "headache" for you, that's just insane and dumb :D
@@DoctorStrange01 and I find your comment dumb as fuck also. How am I playing other people game? I just rather have a build that is good across the board and can clear anything and actually focus on whats fun and not get frustrated over not being able to do set map etc.
Great vid
2:49
It has been 7 years
build?
There is a higher chance that I will become millionaire selling ice to the eskimos, than making a working PoE build myself :D
update build Detonate dead Necr pls! Thank alot
i think for PoE 2 they really need to address that not everyone wants to copy/follow a build and new players or people trying to explore the elements of their games shouldnt be punished by not being able to easily respec
i believe GGG calls that "rerolling a new character"
@@AGR_13 Yeah because spending 50+ hours to beat the tutorial, then another 20+ hours grinding through maps only to find out that you didn't take one specific skill should be cause for you to re-roll ALL of that work. 😑
"But you can use orbs to respec!"
Yeah, IF YOU'RE ALREADY AT ENDGAME AND DOING WELL ENOUGH TO FARM THEM. 👀 But if you're trying to do something new without spoiling yourself or following a guide, you're shit out of luck unless you constantly drop $20 to respec until you get it right.
They will not address that. They've literally said that PoE 2 could get even more complex, lmao. They will explain mechanics better supposedly, but it will not get easier to make builds :D And as for respec same thing, i'm pretty sure they said themselves that they want the game to punish you for mistakes and that's the learning experience they think is good and cool (i.e. our players are sweaty nerds anyway so they don't care about losing time for no reason).
RFespec options ain't bad, having free respecs all the time leads to a no sum game where you decisions do not matter. It is true in D3, it will be tru8ie in D4. Note that I would not be op[posed to a free respec once story is done that you can use whenever. Regrets arfe still a viable option tyho and they do drtop quite often.
Why would I plan a build around Zizaran when he dies more than Quin69 🤭
I think exploring myself is one of the most fun aspects of rpgs so thats why I prefer doing that even tho I might come out at the bottom later.
The issue isn't that you'll come out "At the bottom".
It's that you won't even be able to get to the end of the game unless you're using a meta build, with foreknowledge of all the bugs, hidden effects, and weird loops the game designers throw in there at random.
Like, you need billions of DPS, and most first-timers who go in blind will come out in the 100~150K mark. COMPLETELY non-viable, and unable to even remotely damage the late-game enemies. You'll be instantly fried the moment you step into a late-game map (The entire story mode is just a tutorial.).
Over the years the lists of viable builds has grown smaller and smaller because of constant nerfs to anything that does well.
It just spirals down over time into "Do blade cyclone teleport build or fuck off and don't play our game."
2m-5m No way. That's like the tax to enter Pinnacle, for Ubers I would say 9-15m. With good uptime too.
I have 1500 ~~ hours in poe, still need to watch PoE uni to understand more and more things, but even when i understand something, applying it myself is way harder to "understand" the thing
So yeah POE is a hard game and don't expect to understand everything after 1000hours
GGG is min-maxing the fun out of the game.
I definitely think, after hearing the question about being unable to understand the lesson, that you should grade each lesson by complexity.
Maybe have a 1-4th year grading for each lesson
1. Get off reddit
2. Pull up POB
3. Do maff
4. Test your build ingame
5. repeat until build is gud
Don't forget:
3.5 don't get stuck in PoB and actually try stuff 😂
Lol test your build for a few days and if it doesnt work delete the character and all the time you spent on it, then go again and again, im on my 5th character the past 2 weeks, i wont give up.
I will make 3 builds. And 3 will be ignite EA ballista 😂😂
Great prima aprilis content! I nearly fall for that
Thanks, but PoE is still overflow for beginners like me. I gave up and wait for D4
Im doing my best lol, what a game, the first people who played poe and made guides so other people could play must have been madmen, how many hundreds of hours did they spend to make it to the edngame to actually be able to play the game lol.
Builds are honestly not to difficult to build the problem is there are so many skills that are just so underpowered compared to a lot of the meta skills only knowledgeable players with many hours in the game can make these weaker skills work decently
not falling for it
Copying builds from streamers POB is like programmers copying from stack overflow
Path of excel
Tbh i love the idea of vid. But yeah april fools
Thank you scissoring for another great PeeWee video
I am to stupid for this. I just copie Mathils builds.
Audio and video is out of sync
i hope they make poe2 so that id dosnt need a damn guide to play, i like aprg's but the fact that i have to follow a guide in order to even finish the story.
Although I was impressed with how many changes they can put out every league. Time and again we are proven that to much of anything is bad. As it was really taking many hours of experience away at very rapid pace.
If I had my own game, I'd build in funky quest that would make players decide what changes be made to the game, in semi RP way of course.
First!
That is the neat part, you don't.
I think if a game needs to rely on an external tool to ensure your gaming experience, then the game is definitely too hard, or to say too complicated. It shouldn't be like this. Pls do share your opinion to me, because I'm wondering if anyone got the same feeling.
Could be a bit better.
But overall it's stuff they basically crowdsourced.
It'd be nice if it was just integrated into the game, but at a certain point it's basically a waste of effort. Someone already made it and everyone uses a few certain external sites. Making a proprietary version at that point seems like a waste of employee hours.
I look forward to the day where AI is integrated with games and it can study and learn and generate builds for you by theory crafting and considering item costs, drop rates etc. I can already see it now. AI generated builds.
Why even play then?
@@akaroth7542 i mean if you really want to get into the end game you have to, no new player has ever shown proof of their selfmade build getting very far at all.
@@akaroth7542 so instead of YouTubing a build like 90% players I can say hey I want to play this skill gem and this budget tell me what a good build is. One is just faster lol
You're not going to enjoy much of life if the end goal is the only pleasure you derive out of it. The process of getting better and gaining mastery is much more lasting.
That mindset will serve you better: you'll find the small, happy things that can make something like a long flight, wait time for a doctor, or personal hardship more manageable. Extract joy out of everything you can in life, even failure.
get as close as to 200% life from the passive tree, spend the rest on damage! joking aside this video is far too unfocused and rambling and takes too long to get to the point, terribly lazy.
No "man", i don't ask much. I just ask for my cyclone to be back. 1 button, cheap to start(really easy to map, bosskill etc), insane scaling. can literally do any content in the game
How to make a build:
step 1. steal build off poe ninja
step 2. there is no second step
Saved you guys 35minutes, no need to thank me
step 3 spend 1200 div
My man, get a real mic. The constant crackling is HORRIBLE.
First!