Electric Power Steering Conversion Kit Part 1 EPAS
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- A good customer asked us to install this electric power steering conversion system to update his 1965 Mustang from the old manual steering system. This will be done over multiple videos,and I hope to show the good and bad points of this as we go through the installation. Is it worth it? Is it better to go with conventional power steering conversions? Well, that remains to be seen. Come see what we think about this set-up. Don't forget to like and subscribe so you won't miss upcoming videos too!
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After this video was filmed, we ended up having to remove the turn signal switch after all. It turned out that once mounted it was rubbing no matter what we did. After removal we compared it to the old one and confirmed it was twisted due to the initial installation being incorrect. So, we had no choice but to waste more time installing the old switch to the column.
How did this system end up working out for you in the end was hoping to see a part 2 video
we don't have to see everything. it is interesting watching you work. personally i am interested in the electric steering.. i say good job..
Cool, thanks
Wow you are really putting out a lot of videos lately brother. Thanks for the content!
More to come!
I just added EPSA's electric steering to my 64 Corvette. You are so right that it is wise to test fit all the pieces BEFORE installation. Foolish me, I didn't do it and the sliding shaft had burs on it and would not slide far enough to install it in the car. Also, the splined part that fits under the dash bound up when I tried to insert the U-joint to it and I had to remove the whole thing to clean up the splines. There were many errors in their instructions and like you, I found many things missing from the video or not for my model of car at all. However, once it was in it was great! I can turn it up to full power steering and turn it with one finger or turn it down to almost no assist at highway speeds. Only time will tell if it lasts.
Thank you for making this video.... Me personally I would never put electric steering in a classic but I still like to see the process to do so in case I ever have to put one in for some one. And I know you'll be honest about it.
Lot of things to recommend electric power steering, though. Sure, if you are making a museum piece, don't do it. But otherwise, it really is a great improvement in all regards.
@@bladder1010 electric steering been around for awhile..... Museum peice? It looks like the kit still uses a steering box, if I were to mod the steering I would go with a steering rack either manual or power. New isn't always better and to each their own and as for my old cars I drive them every day and prefer them over modern cars and I do own two modern cars but to me they are just to overly complicated for what they are. And I do all repairs to them myself both have over 150.000 miles on them.
@@moparnut6286 Fair enough, and like you say, to each his own. Personally I like the mechanical simplicity of electric, and the fact that it doesn't rob as much power from the engine.
This video highlights what I love about this channel. It's like hanging in a buddy's shop. Whether it's you sitting in a chair venting about that days hassle. Explaining how something does or should work. Install issues, trouble shooting, interesting tools, eveything. I feel like I'm the camera always wanting to see what you're doing. Thanks for letting hang out brother and sorry my head keeps getting in the way. Lol
Side note: Is it just me or did anyone else get distracted by that instrument cluster? Thing of beauty.
Thanks a lot for that 😊. Trust me when I say it is people like you I do this for.
Especially when it's safety related with the threads. Good thinking on the coupler.
Yeah Joe My 1973 Volkswagen Beetle had retractable over should seat belts, controls on the steering wheel. And to the point it had a collapsible steering column.
My first car was a '73 SuperBug. (Neat things happen when you put '69 1500 pistons in one!!!! Got a 19yo kid 70mpg!!)
@@HouseCallAutoRepair Hi that's neat but I was never a fan of the superbeetle. I had one and front end issues plaqued me. The regular beetle had more options like disk brake kit front end etc.
Great video I for one don't just want to see it installed and working there were problems and I appreciate seeing that thanks
i have 4 mustang ,so i made a kit very safe , easy to install with all correct size for automatic or clutch system , i was test prototype at jtekt factory during 15 years , maker of most of this , i use new materiel , no u joint
Installed this over two weekends recently. Takes a lot of trial and error to get everything to work together but once it does its a fantastic system that works great. You can adjust to full power one handed steering or to almost manual steering feel. The problem is the instructions provided don't walk you through the whole process, there is alot of thinking on the fly involved, you need to be a little mechanical minded to install but if you give it to a shop to install for you they will charge you a arm and a leg because they will have to do all the thinking on the fly as they go. Best to try it yourself even if it takes longer than anticipated you'll feel like you accomplished something after... If I can do it anyone can... One more issue is remounting the park brake... You will have to engineer a small bracket to get back to the position it was or it won't work at all. That's another thing the instructions fail to tell.
Agree with everything you said..
Great job on your part. The kit for $3000 should fit like a glove. The company that made it needs to listen to it's customers and vastly improve their QC. If it were mine I would have left the steering stock. Great video as always.
Right on
It sonds like some of Dorman QC
Nice recovery on the blinker stem line up issue. Quality control seems to be lacking but with your skills you can make it right.
Thanks Wyatt. I appreciate that. We'll get er done.
Very cool man. Can't wait to see the end product. I agree. Damn the instructions! Real world results is what matters.
Another example of get the most money you can and to hell with QC. Also sounded like customer service needs a tweak. Great video Joe and stay safe bro👍🏻🍻
Thanks for watching!
Joe thank you for sharing. It seems like nowadays the ideas are great but the quality just isn't built into the part. My personal thoughts are if it is designed for this vehicle the problems you are running into should of already been addressed. Somewhere along in the design process all these problems should of been addressed better or they should of mentioned modifications will be required when installing. Thanks for filming I no its not easy but let's enjoy and see how it goes. You and wife stay well Artie. ❤️
Well said sir. I agree.
Some of these aftermarket kits really are not very good. But at least they are expensive
I see what you mean about installing instructions.... I was looking at the unit as I like the compactness of it. They don't make one for 59 El Camino.... I might say piss on it and go with an electric rack haven't decided yet.
I know this company will make a setup for just about any car. Problem is, I am not so sure I'd recommend using it. We will see in upcoming videos how it all comes together.
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Great concept but hopefully they start with better quality control
Looks like the Nightmare From Elm St Joe.
it has a gearbox and we can't see the pitman arm or the Idler arms or anything else. What other components does this system have?
I am not showing everything as they are not relevant to the video.
What code did the computer throw out?
Hahaha
But that TS switch had a QC sticker SCARY.
It's like a Dorman part. Has anyone at Dorman actually installed one of their parts? Sure makes me wonder sometimes. I think this will be a decent setup once you "customize" it to fit the car it was built for...just like a Dorman part. Helicoil the missing threads, throw out the new turn signal switch because it doesn't work/fit right, and modify it all so it fits. Isn't that Dorman? Side note: I saw a hydraulic ram style power steering system added to one of these and it was a real hack weld job underneath. Guy wanted to have me do a bunch of work to the car but I ran like the wind!
That ram setup looked like a factory hack on these cars. They are complete garbage. The Mach 1 I did the series f videos on was also hacked by the last guy who worked on it. I spent countless hours on that car to straighten it out.
@@JoesAutoElectric Wow. if that was factory, Ford should be ashamed. It had poorly welded in angle iron if I recall and I thought it was some backyard shop install. Thanks for the vids!
That's a lot of money for an upgrade that's a basket case right out of the box.
Would it have been better to use a Prius PS system and fab it all up on your own? Maybe $200 invested initially.
I doubt it
So,,,, did I miss who's parts you were putting into this car or didn't you say???
EPAS performance
What happened Joe couldn't do it I don't see part two of the 65 mustang epas. Did yangetnin over your head I thought it wasnfairly easy.
No interest in the first part so shut the camera off. Over my head? Lol 😊
@@JoesAutoElectric lmao 🤣
Hi Joe, interesting video, I agree 100%, that the kit should be fit for purpose for that kind of of money, you shouldn't have to waste time and money fixing this shoddy assembly, on a more serious note how do you stand if as a result of this mod there was an accident later, are you liable for the whole claim or how would it go ,?Just wondering?, because here in the uk I think they would go after the guy who fitted it, and the manufacturer if faulty parts were involved. Best wishes to you and family, stay safe, Stuart.uk.
I think it all depends on how something failed. I mean, you can do an oil change on a vehicle, have it leave, the guy blows a tire and he will try to blame you. All I can do is make damn sure that the assembly is installed properly and everything is tight and secure before it leaves my possession. If the unit somehow fails, it will resort to manual steering, If something on the system, God forbid, breaks as a result of being defective, then it is on the maker, not me. This is normally the case.
@@JoesAutoElectric thanks for the reply Joe, looking forward to the next one, kind regards, Stuart.uk.
IMHO😲 3K💰 for it, No way Jose` Not sure if it`s a gain of minimal loss of HP by wanting a EPSA or more feel from the road in steering Performance from the customer but i would rather spend money on Motor Performance and go with a good P/s rack and pinion upgrade instead. Not criticizing his freewill to have intalled what he wants but rather what potential gains outweigh other weak links.
On to the product Quality Control i agree it comes up a bit short for the price you pay for it. Any warranty on manufacturer defects w/ the unit ?
Is what it is. 5 year warranty...
I"m still trying to fathom why you would want to mess with the steering on a classic 65 Stang...is this a daily driver or someting?
It is driven quite a lot. He wants it to be user friendly instead of the out dated manual setup. Why wouldn't you improve something and bring it up to date? Car isn't a garage queen.
@@JoesAutoElectric thanks for that😎👍
If the car did not originally have PS, I'd find some other solution other than the electric unit.
It has advantages.
@@JoesAutoElectric No doubt. I imagine installing an original style would require a lot of disassembly under the hood.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 Yes, and it would add potential for leaks and multiple part failures in the future that you don't have with this system.
Buy American, they said, it’s way better quality than Chinese, they said!
How many Chinese cars do you see? ANY old ones?
If this causes a pro to have issues, it's going to give fits to a lot of guys with less experience. Not a good showing for the column provider.
3 grand and that many screw ups. No thanks.
The concept is good..the product not so good in the design phase..Acme strikes again lol.
For 3k on the kit that company should of fired the person assembling the unit I’m sure they was on their phone while working that’s the world we live today f@& laziness and lack of responsibility I would of argued the fact that they had to pay u to reassemble the unit
That's mad that you pay 3 grand and they use flimsy plastic instead of the ford metal
I'm not sure what you are referring to on the plastic. The switch is a stock Ford switch.
@@JoesAutoElectric ow sorry I thought you meant they kit one was plastic the stock was stronger and never rubbed
could you smoke a couple of cigarettes for everyone?
maybe later.
@@JoesAutoElectric I got your back, i have a couple cartons made up and ready. LOL