Ancient art returns to public view in Rome
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2021
- One of the most important private collections of antiquities, hidden away for decades, is being put on public display once again. Correspondent Seth Doane gets a private tour of the legendary Torlonia Marbles - treasures of ancient Greek and Roman art - being exhibited at Rome's Capitoline Museum.
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And to think. These marble were PAINTED when created, wow.
They need to protect them from BLM, ANTIFA and the DNC. They want to smash everything to do with western civilization and whiteness.
LOL-Your posting certainly brought the meditation bigot out into the forum and all you said was " it was amazing to think these were originally in full color"
@SuperDave Miorgan - Roman statues were indeed painted in antiquity. Romans did make many copies of Greek statues and I'm not really sure if those were painted or not but certainly, Romans made their own sculpture and they did paint them. Obviously, they didn't paint bronze statues but they did the marble ones. Here's a little blog post about it but you can easily find this online. I don't claim to be any sort of expert so perhaps I misunderstand your point.
blogs.kent.ac.uk/lucius-romans/2016/10/15/ancient-statues-show-their-true-colours/
@SuperDave Miorgan I would disagree to a certain extent, many of the Roman statues that did not have an iris or pupil carved into them were painted.
@@guidedmeditation2396 your prejudice is disgusting. “whiteness”, what?
WOW The collection is beyond words🤔
So old it was “restored” by Bernini in the 17th century
Goosebumps. And this is just video.
What a beautiful collection. I would love to see it.
They are beautiful, I would love to see them.💖
Wonderful to see again indeed thanks for keeping the artwork safe 🇺🇲💯🤝💜🤟🏽🌬️👏
Absolutely Amazingly Beautiful!
Awesome ❤
0:40 I want to know who the lady with the afro was! That must be a pretty cool story. Rome was so much more diverse than we usually think!
I don’t think she was African...., that’s just a hairstyle that was popular in the Flavian dynasty.
Yeah my Dad had something like that in the 60's and 70's, no perm required either.
well, during the Flavian dynasty, this hairstyle was VERY popular with upper-class women back then. hope that answered your question
No, OP right. This is a popular Flavian style and also Ancient Rome was really diverse, which we know from DNA testing done on bones and also just the obvious that Carthage and Egypt were in North Africa, and the way trade routes worked. Trade, war and movement of individuals between Carthage, Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome is really well documented. Anyone who doesn't realise this must not have read anything about Rome at all. We know 100% for sure that Rome had contact with North Africa and honestly muchh farther. There were scholars from China who made it to Rome and wrote about it. 0 question about it, sorry. Lots of trade, lots of movement.
@@eenygreenmeanie8142 The questions isn't "was Rome diverse?" But instead, "Is the woman with the afro-looking hair of African decent?" In which case, the answer is no.
They are beautifully made.
In the 1600s or 1700s a traveler passing thru Rome saw workmen throwing near perfect ancient Roman statues into a kiln.
They had hundreds of statues ready to be tossed into the kiln to be reduced to lime powder.
The lime powder was used to plaster the Catholic churches and homes of the wealthy.
They could have gone to the marble quarry and used marble scraps to make the lime powder, but it was more convenient to just gather up the old statues and toss them into the kiln.
I think it’s more likely that the increasingly austere conservative Catholic Church was trying to destroy the symbol and idols of pagan rome and the lime powder was just a useful byproduct.
Everyone can see a virtual tour on their web page of The Capitolino Museum in Rome.
Somehow the news are very incomplete.
Thanks :)
This exhibit is only 90 works selected from among the 620 catalogued marbles. They did say part of the collection is travelling across Europe at the end but the report was on the history and totality of the collection. This report was clearly made before the pieces were selected as the goat is currently in the Capitolino exhibition.
ruclips.net/video/zOfROaFL6Io/видео.html
I knew the head of the grumpy old Roman sculpture from art history but to learn his garb was added several centuries later mind-blowing CBS-SM.
fantastic .......
I would love to see the collection.
This is absolutely insane, wow!
Beautiful
Wow damn I wish I was there again! I went in 2019:)
amezhing and well collected
The world is chocked full of beautiful things, we don’t believe it until we see them!
Wow
It would be wonderful to see the pieces installed around Rome where they can be enjoyed by everyone.
Have you ever heard of pollution? Marble statues won't last 10 years in modern city.
@@pavelpolyakov5763 - Well, they'd last a few years and then they could make 3D printed replicas and throw these ones in the river.
@@AnyoneCanSee
That’s stupid, you’re stupid.
I love the fat guy at 1:36 😂😂😂
dude, this is cool
Astonishing! I do hope the collection makes its way to the US
Impossible, the Italian law prevents the expatriation of this type of artistic objects. Only for temporary exhibitions can they leave Italy. Ciao ciao.
@@dandegi2946 I think he/she meant as a temporary exibition
I can’t wait....NYC first! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Make knowledge free
All galleries and museums in the UK are free. Always annoys me when I travel and find the high cost of access to history. But in the end taxpayers would not agree to fund it in the USA and many other nations. Weapons yes, not art.
*You’re Welcome*
makes you wonder, how much of humanity's 'lost' history is just locked away in the dusty hordes of rich old men
Yep, just recently an earlier copy of the Mona Lisa came to light and many experts are convinced it is genuine. That something so famous could have been locked in a vault and basically unknown to the art world is absolutely astonishing.
It does indeed make you wonder what else is in private collections around the world.
ruclips.net/video/2xCtslJ6-wY/видео.html
If you're are not a fan of statues in general (they creeped me out when I was a kid) then I'd recommend seeing only these three pieces when in Italy: Michelangelo's David, Bernini's The Rape of Proserpina, Bernini's Apollo and Daphne.
Sculpture is my favorite art form, Michelangelo,Bernini and Rodin are my favorite western sculptors. I also love asian sculptures, specially in Gandhara,Gupta,Chola and Torma styles, in materials like stone,metal and butter,specially from the 2nd to the 14th centuries AD. Also love painting,architecture,music, literature,photography and cinema
Correction: *formerly* aristocratic family, Torlonia. There is no more aristocracy or monarchy in Italy. Both were abolished under the law in the 1940s. Now there are only families holding onto old ways and trying to put themselves above their countrymen by claiming titles and "nobility" that don't exist. It's pathetic. But I'll grant that putting the works on display after so long is a "noble" gesture, and it's about time.
@Marie Page class war vomit
@Marie Page I appreciate what you wrote above. I wouldn’t pay any mind to the other person.
@Marie Page - You are simply wrong. You cannot "validly passed down" titles in Italy. There is no official recognition of titles since 1946.
As for your comment about Scotland. I'm Scottish and live in Scotland and basically, every family has a tartan and crest. Clans were fairly each with a crest, tartan and clan motto. The one you gave belongs to Clan Wallace.
I've worked for lords and you are meant to call them "your grace" and of course titles are just given to families so they can act superior to their fellow man. Some got them from making fortunes in slavery for example. It is a class system and all about power, nothing more.
@@jo-vf8jx - It is factual that in Italy aristocracy has not been recognised since 1946 since the creation of the Italian republic. Look it up. Would you like to live in a nation where you are born lesser than others? Aristocracy was part of a system of oppression in which working men and women didn't even have voting rights. It's idiotic nonsense and people should earn respect for their actions and no man is born greater than another. Good for the Italians and it is a pity we don't do it in the UK.
We literally have Lords that got their titles because they made so much money from slavery. How messed up is that.
This is why the Americans didn't implement the system all men created equal. It is nonsense from a feudal past of oppression.
@Marie Page You ask why? We are italian not scottish, that "aristocracy" is italian not scottish ..and italian aristrocracy gave us fascism...So, when your are talking with an italian remind to not ask " If the families wish to keep the traditions alive, what's wrong with that"...
Known Reason Military had fought to what extent
Show us more, are these sculptures for sale or which museum in Rome or elsewhere is exhibiting. In 4.33 you can’t give justice to the individual pieces or sculptors.
The Capitolini Museum
90 of the 700 pieces are on tour.
ruclips.net/video/2xCtslJ6-wY/видео.html
My 1st thought was how selfish of that wealthy family to hoard so much art and culture and not share it with the world.
It is unfortunate that the collection is hidden away but they have no legal or moral obligation to share their collection.
@@henrylivingstone2800 I understand that but great art should always be shared in a place where the most people can enjoy it.
@@melindadouglas1673
But does it really? I can 100% assure you that the average museum goer wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between two Roman bust of the emperor Hadrian. So what need is there to criticize the Torlonia’s choice not to show off their collection. If they had chosen not to display their items literally no one would know about it and there wouldn’t be such a fuss as to the predicament of hoarding art.
@@henrylivingstone2800 "That belongs in a museum." ruclips.net/video/yXyPvhISkRQ/видео.html
But no, seriously. You diminish the value of these pieces by arguing the lack of discernment of the average museum goer. Shame on you.
These relics, "sat locked away in this Rome neighborhood, until February of last year..." because "Prince Alessandro Torlonia [who] published this catalogue in the 1880s" leveraged his aristocratic position and wealth to collect Roman busts like a philatelist collects stamps. Then, after Italy became a democratic republic, the "Prince's" family continued to hoard these artifacts, in the dark, for decades.
This is obscene.
The Italian government should be able to seize these artifacts for public display and compensate the Torlonia at market value. No man, woman, or family has the right to hoard antiquity in a warehouse. And before you argue that this collection is "theirs," remember the fading vestige of their history: "Prince" Alessandro Torlonia - of an aristocracy that no longer exists.
I'll end where I began: "That belongs in a museum." ruclips.net/video/yXyPvhISkRQ/видео.html
@@benh9784
What utter garbage you spew. Studies have shown that the average museum goer spends less than 10 seconds on a piece of art in a museum. 10 SECONDS. Of course I disparage the average museum goer for their lack of appreciation.
A government given the right to seize private property is a government not fit to rule. That is a severe violation of basic human rights that you are proposing. To be able to maintain private property is a basic tenet of western democracy, what you are proposing is tyranny.
And “before you argue the collection is theirs”…what? What does the abolition of the aristocracy have to do with private ownership? Just because their noble titles are no longer recognized by the government doesn’t mean their right or private property has been revoked. They still own their lavish palazzos, their vast material wealth from their banking practices, and their collection of antiquities. They still retain lawful ownership of these properties as it pertains to the law. They’ve done nothing Illegal and they can do as they see fit.
The government has no right to seize anything considering all of these items were acquired lawfully at the time of collection.
I wanted to know who was the chic with the Afro!!!
Could you imagine Africa.....India.....China......where they actually have ancient cultures and civilizations.......
Italy alone owns 70% of the world's artistic heritage. Italy 70%, the rest of the world 30% (including Africa ..... India ..... China ......)
Not all ancient cultures were obsessed with producing art. The Romans were obsessed with creating cultures for public spaces as well as private homes and they were producing thousands of pieces a year for hundreds of years.
@@dandegi2946
What? What does that even mean?
is there anyway to keep these on indefinite loan and keep them in view of the public, in a new, "Torlonia" museum??
Probably not considering it’s private property.
@@henrylivingstone2971 I am glad they saved these art work for centuries, though. The Torlonia may be persuaded if a the new museum was named after them?
@@TWOCOWS1
Probably not, the Torlonias have been offered several times to sell or lease their collection but each time they’ve refused. The king of Italy tried buying them but was rejected, Mussolini tried buying them and was rejected, and the republic tried buying them and was rejected. It’s unlikely they’ll show them permanently at least in its entirety.
@@henrylivingstone2971 Thank you. I know all about ego and its follies. What I meant was a new, separate museum with their name on it (to tickle their ego), but open to public and scholars 6 days a week, with the 7th being private to the Torlonias and their "Lamborghini Communist" friends alone!
@@TWOCOWS1
😂😂😂 I’m sure the Torlonias are refusing to sell or lease their collections because of insurance issues and possibility of damage
The legal taxicab relatively pick because cactus typically clean after a guiltless bay. innocent, painstaking broker
4:18 why does it have to travel "around the world" 😭cant it just stay all together and be put in a museum as a hole?. Imagine you have to go to different continents or countries just to have all of this seen. PS: And please not into the US. 1. It was created in europe and is a part of it and 2. i dont live near.
Hmmm...wonder why now. Something must be up in the heavens.
Is it now?
A lot of things will be exposed and uncovered in these last days. Mainly with false religions and their lies as being taught from the book of Daniel and revelation.
@@juniorsir9521 - The men who wrote the Bible thought the world was 6000 years old. They knew nothing of science or medicine and were wrong about what they guessed
I would not believe their predictions.
Robert J. Williamson first of all none of the men in the Bible nor who wrote the Bible thought the world was 6,000 years old. The history of the Bible dates to around 6,000 years because that’s the length of human history till now. The earth according to the Bible was made long before man walked the earth. So I think terms of the age, the Bible does not conflict modern scientific findings. Science does not disprove the biblical accounts only scientist do. Trust the science not people who tell you otherwise. As far as medicine goes the book of Leviticus has many accounts regarding hygiene, proper disposal of waste and even the handling of dead bodies. Something the nations outside Israel knew nothing about. God certainly did and had it recorded. The Bible is also historically accurate. It gives mention of Rulers and predicted with accurate events names of conquerors and even falls of great empires with precise accuracy centuries Before happening. The Bible is also archeologically accurate and truthful. Many of the findings of ancient civilizations have shown that the Bible spoke of real locations and real people and had their names recorded. Something you would have to refute with archeologists and scholars alike. The Bible’s scientific matters are what made my faith in it stronger. It even talked about the shape of the earth being a sphere in a time where many People knew nothing about it or thought the earth was flat. When it touches on scientific historic and archeological findings the Bible is accurate. You can believe what you want but I’ll stick to Gods word over yours any day of the week.
Collective history 🙄
All these arts were loots.
Prove it
we are reverting to the pagan days
They are fake.
They’re not, they’ve been well documented for over 300 years.
What happened to 1964 equal rights pass by Republicans, opposed by Democrats?.
@Kintu Lee .
Don’t change the subject, Presidents came and go 1964 was monumental.
All Gore father voted ( Democrat) voted against it.
Wolves in the ship skin.
Dixiecrats who Democrats were dependent on for Presidential, Congressional, and Senatorial.
Hello Iran and/or Russia
Um, I suggest you go back and revisit the history of the Civil Rights Act. President Johnson, a Democrat, pushed it through Congress and he knew it would cost the Democratic Party support in the South. It did and Southern Democrats and Dixiecrats became Republicans. Btw, what does your comment have to do with this story??
@@GoGreen1977 .
Who’s support in the South?.
Can’t take this seriously when they wear masks. ...
What a ridiculous remark. Get educated.
@divinegon you're clearly a troll because surely you're not that uneducated about what's happened in Italy.
You're really a terrible person, not only risking your own life but endangering others through your ignorance. I wonder how many deaths you're responsible for.
Why not?
@@njhawksworth1588 the survival rate is something like 99%.... Florida that didn’t have lockdown or a mask mandate have BETTER rates of COVID death than states that DID have law lockdowns and mask mandates. BETTER than NY / CA.... if masks and lockdowns work why does Florida have comparable rates and even better rates than states that DID have mandates ??