The Landscape Photography Vulture
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Landscape photography has some amount of copying. But there's photo immitation and there's straight up theft. Don't be this type of photographer.
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All types of photography face copying and imitation. But landscape photography is especially susceptible because, well, landscapes don't move. But it's one thing to go out and look for a photo composition someone else did once and another to go up to someone and steal their photo. I call these types of photographers "vultures", other photographers call it "comp stomping".
Either way, if you want to be a good landscape photographer, you need to learn to find the great compositions yourself. Sticking your camera on top of another person's camera only works so often.
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Man how you held your tongue and temper is commendable,I would not have been so understanding and haven’t been in the past.Some really special images dude.Glad you’re able to travel and bring us these moments.✌🏻✌🏻
If that was me I would have taken a step to the right and stood in front of him
You’re Canadian you should’ve just told him “soorry for having my foot in your photo eh”
Hahaha
I remember when you photographed that place in previous trips. That is quite incredible! That was quite rude of that other photographer to try to get right below you to take the same photo as you. One idea you could do if that happens again is that you always could fart near the rude photographer - that would have the person leave really fast, haha!
Beautiful photos as always. I do think he should have waited until you were done to make his shot. I've had people show up at a waterfall after me and shoot the same shot I just worked on after I'm finished. I wasn't upset at all. Admittedly the area you were in probably has less obvious compositions and the one you found was certainly great but he has every bit as much of a right to shoot that as you do. The dude just needs to wait his turn IMO.
The vulture activity is why I like being alone. One so nobody does it to me. Two so I don't accidentally do it to someone without knowing.
You are bringing up a good point of hordes of photographers descending on a particular famous location, making the 1000th photo of the same object. I find it tough to deal with it, because I like to work a location in peace and without any other photographers. However, this is impossible for famous locations. Therefore, I resort to finding locations that are not well known and usually very desolate.
The last time I was at Mesa Arch in Utah, I got there VERY early (around 330am) to shoot the rising Milky Way and also to ensure that I had a good spot for sunrise. Just before sunrise, a tour bus pulled up and it got VERY crowded. Some guy who showed up late like the spot I was at and there was no room for him to set up a tripod so he stretched out his arm and tried to use my shoulder for support. Yup he was so close that he actually leaned on me for support. He soon decided that there might be better places to set up. (I wonder if my years of playing intra-mural hockey had anything to do with his suddenly sore ribs. 🤔 "Hogarth. Two minutes for elbowing." 😂)
Hahaha
When locations get that busy, find somewhere else. The world is still full of great images! I worked in Oman for three years. The Wahiba Sands desert region would keep you happy for months! Nice photos. You hit the mark. Cheers from NZ. 👍😎🇳🇿🍺🍺
Awesome video Brendan, and a fantastic comp love it, I can see how it's your new fav., I could never have kept my cool with that guy, A Glasgow kiss would have sorted that! Great job thanks for sharing.
My wife's a Weegie and I nearly fell off my chair when I read your comment! 🤣🤣 ruclips.net/video/tFdUmLEJqtY/видео.html
11:20 that's the perfect time to rip the largest ass gas bomb. I'd be trying very hard to push one out.
I'll be honest, i did.
As Frank Costanza once said, "This guy... This is not my kinda guy!"
I was in a similar situation and looked the photog squarely in the eye and said, “YOU are unbelievably Rude….MOVE But my dander was up for quite a while and I had to keep telling myself not to let it wreck the experience. I REALLY LOVED that zoomed in image where you just had a bit of the closest tree on the edges…almost silhouetted
It's funny. I'm glad for the vulture, because i think i like my zoomed photo better!
Good on you for remaining calm, he could have waited till you were done, so rude. Have noted similar on tours over the years, as I pointed camera & clicked invariably 1 or 2 immediately copy me thinking they’ll miss something. Had a giggle to myself few times & took shot of nothing to watch what happened 😉.
The images turned out really cool BvS and can understand why your gander was up with the individual hovering on your shoulder. It was down right rude and one of those occasions where they could have easily waited for you to move away. Not as if its like Mesa Arch your you're lined up shoulder to shoulder for the money shot. Looking forward to seeing the Antartica trip in due course and wish you all a successful time there
"Comp Stomping" Brendan you teach me something new every video. way to keep your cool 👍😎👍
First time I had heard that term too. I have, however heard "Pic Poaching".
Great video Brendan and as someone pointed out, you are way more polite than I think I would have been with respect to the individual who set up on your heels. For someone not to see the encroachment as a problem is to be the same person that likes to bud in at a line up or cut you off while driving and then get all psycho if someone does it to them. Disrespectful of personal space right now is also something that I am noticing all too often.
You were obviously being too Canadian!!!!
When that volture was behind you, you could make "THE fart" so he could smell how bs that was. Love your "new" fav photo there, but for me, personally, the one from last time is very hard to beat (I would easily put it on my top landscape images I've ever seen).
May as well ask if you he could put his camera on your tripod..
very cool photos.
Absolutely stunning locations 😮 gorgeous photos from you too. I can definitely see why you keep going back. Endless possibilities 👏👏👏
No one takes the same shot as another person so I usually don't mind. However, I wouldn't mind having a little space. There's a whole desert here.
Take it as a compliment mate!
No owns the spot of land they shoot on (normally) Brendan so if someone comes over to where I've shot or I go over to where they have then it's a free world is my philosophy. However, it's common courtesy to at least ait until the other person has gotten out of the way if you are going to shoot as close to someone as he was to you. Maybe being a hobbyist makes me more philosophical on this sort of thing. Nice framing of those trees. Merry Christmas.
Wow, in April this year I slept at the exact same point at Sesriem Campsite :)
Nice! Hope you had an amazing time.
You got some really nice photos here. Just great stuff. Thanks for sharing this. I always like the commentary too.
You guys had plenty of room to spread out there. So I get it. Sometimes compositions or shooting areas can be limited and groups have no choices but to be very close. Depending on the situation you have to be accepting of someone close to you. It depends. If you want true solitude I’d not do workshops and go solo or with one friend.
Yeah, there are places you have to be on top of one another just to get any photo. This is not one of those places.
@@BrendanvanSon exactly! Glad you’re out and about adventuring again. Stay safe! I’m vaccinated and I still got Covid. It’s no walk in the park. It doesn’t feel like a cold or flu. Be careful. Don’t get sick on the road. It sucks. Great videos!
Well done holding back there Brendan. He obviously has a confidence issue with not being able to find his own composition; had to stick his lens directly on the same path as yours. Beyond ignorant. Loved your new shots from this trip!
It's always more fun when the crasher is another RUclipsr. Was really hoping for a reveal. Next time. Keep on.
Wow, that guy at 11:22 was soooo rude. Shocking. Still can't believe someone would do that.
Great video! Brings back good memories! Hope you found your way into Deadvlei on the first try this time ;)
After getting stuck, yes. Hahaha
Nice images, Brendan. Love the composition on the framed tree. I would have held my tongue as you did, but I know it was so annoying and distracting having the guy right behind you. I had the experience recently of seeing someone basically copy my image. To be fair I had posted mine in a forum devoted to a popular site, and she saw it and did the same. I guess you can accept that as a compliment, in some way, but having someone in your backpocket is different. Nice to see you traveling again. Hopefully that can continue.
Beautiful photos Brendan! There's always that one a hole that has to be rude and inconsiderate, but you breathed through it and moved on. I'm really enjoying watching the videos from this trip, maybe someday I will travel there. :) Peace
That has happened to me as well, but as the female concerned only had a smartphone I was not too bothered. What got me was that she lent over me, looked at the screen on the back of my camera, said "Oh yes" took the shot and without a word to me walked off. Actually on reflection, yes I was annoyed. Still am. Your's was a lovely shot though.
Haha, I've had people photograph the image on the back of my camera. Somehow that has never bothered me. It feels less intrusive, some how
@@BrendanvanSon Haha, well I suppose that's an original composition of their own - of sorts! I guess it's not aggravating because you know they're not trying to pass your creativity off as their own.
Wow! What a fantastic place and terrific shots you got. I’d be interested in a video discussing how you balance your time between being a trip leader and shooting your own video.
It's tricky. And it definitely helps when you have a good group, which i did
I am the sad one that went over the comments, and Brendan’s replies made a couple of things more clear.
This guy literally checked out the comp on Brendan’s LCD, switched lenses and mounted his tripod uncomfortable close to Brendan.
It even looks like this guy was a member of the same group.
I would suggest some communication and even education might have helped here more than what happened now.
Imagine, I am in that place tomorrow morning and I do find those trees …. I might have a go myself and will have a great shot, but nowhere near as perfect as yours. I think none of us need to feel bad about that. What happened on that day you were there is just Over The Top.
My 2 cents
I respect your self control and gentle spirit Brendan. I think I would have been a little combative with that guy and it could have turned ugly :-) I remember being there in 2003 and was my most memorable trip.
I think it's the first time I've ever seen someone actually hang a camera on one of those vest hooks. Heavy lense too.
Beautiful images Brendan! Love the minimalist style of the trees against the dunes and the beautul color of the dunes against the blue sky. So, I'm guessing that individual was not a participant in the tour/workshop?
I thought you stopped shooting with the EOS R. Glad to see it as I just purchased one myself. RULE OF, DOES IT LOOK COOL!!!
Photo vultures are my biggest peeve. I shoot a lot of video, in cities and so am using a tripod 90% of the time. Tripods are carrion to photo vultures. Every second shot I do, I get people directly behind me trying to copy my composition. If only we could charge for our imagination
Not sure that I would be happy either with a vulture snapping at my heels.
Don’t get me wrong I am happy to share, if asked.
Just lucky for him Brendan your Canadian 🇨🇦
Stay safe 🇦🇺
I'm happy to share. Don't really love having a camera up my rear in the middle of a pandemic. Lol
@@BrendanvanSon wait 'til you turn 50... you'll be really glad the camera up your rear isn't that BIG! 🤣 📸
Great video Brendan!
I had a "big name" Nat Geo contracted photographer do that to me once. Infuriating. Beautiful work and nice video!
That was annoying to have someone so close. Take a dog with you...it works ;-) It's getting like this in Snowdonia. I try my best to keep away from the herd and I am always on the lookout for fresh locations.
I'm surprised by the divided opinions. At the very least, it's intrusive. I can imagine there are some landscape photographers out there who would have thumped him. With any luck, his card was corrupted. 😏 It surely was an imaginative comp. Rock on! 👍🥂
I'm not surprised. I think some might feel like they've done that. Or they've had a rude photographer tell them off, and it hits home.
I'm all for sharing, and helping, but this was probably the first time in my life i actually felt intruded upon.
@@BrendanvanSon As someone said, you may expect something like that at Mesa Arch or the tunnel view at Yosemite, but not with all the space available. Being that close, I think I might have asked him to put on a mask. 😷🤡
Great job! Cool images! Congrats for not smacking that idiot with your tripod!
Copying its fine and a way of learning at some extend but that guy was just rude. Looking at what you're shooting its fine, even making the same shot after you, a little lame in a place with so many options but ok, but trying to do at the same time, even getting in your way and space were absurd.
Hy Brendan, Very interesting video, as always. How long did it take you from Kolmanskop to Sossusvlei ? How do you travel with all your gear (overweight hand luggage) on the plane a especially with the 500mm F4, you should do a video about it.
I recently attended an event. The guy who had organised it was happy for me to capture shots. I mean, I'm just an amature. However as soon as I found my shot, I kept finding the official paid photography hanging off my arm. Time and time again. The guy was so insecure about missing the shot it was getting embarrassing. As I'm 6'4" I was able to hold my camera up high for a full room shot. Suddenly next to me was the 5'6" official photographer stood on a chair 🤣. His portrait shots were so bad I had people coming to me to have photos. I obliged all requests free of charge. It was amusing.😅
I did some comp stomping at a sporting event. The pro had the best spot and I’d paid to get in. I shot over his shoulder but I wasn’t that close.
If you have quality, don't be scared man. No matter what you will always win.
The sun star tree shot was awesome. Dude at your feet, not awesome.
Just realized you are wearing a Nomad Cruise t-shirt. Which cruise did you do? 8 and 10 here!
I think we were on the same one! I was on Barcelona to Brazil. I think it was 10?
@@BrendanvanSon I think that was 9. Unfortunately I never did the Brazil cruise. Mine were Canaries to Lisbon, and Athens to Dubai
Ugh that’s so frustrating! I would have said something to that guy or stood in his way 😂
It’s unfortunate because half of the fun I have with photography is searching for that composition that is super satisfying and rewarding. It takes practise, and lots of time learning how to compose. Then someone can just walk up, set their lens up between your legs and probably go on to post and share that photo, claiming to have created it themselves. It’s super frustrating but you gotta also feel bad for them as they’re totally missing out on actually becoming better. Great photos as usual Brandon!
This is like when a professional photographer is shooting a wedding and when the group photos somebody tries to stand next to him in order to shot his own pictures, isn't it?
Rude to the max. Not right. No way.
I was waiting for you to reveal that you are freind with the guy and you are messing around , but 😯
My approach to photographers like that is to keep walking around my camera and making it impossible to get the picture. Be unpredictable until the light has changed or you get bored of waiting. Good job on the lens change! My next move would have been to move even closer so you put prints etc in the sand, and make it impossible for him to take the shot (go for the shot with the 2 trees). Then stand in the middle of the composition and shoot another direction.... basically my approach "F that guy!"
Thumbs up
I was sitting on a rock riverside capturing a heron fishing. This guy walks 3 feet to the side of me and stomped the water. People suck. All I said was "dude, really?" and he shrugged and walked off. He moved about 20 yards down and started fishing, so I chucked a big rock in the river and left.
I see a difference here. You are hosting a group. You are teaching them. You are getting paid by them. If someone needs help with composition, they might want to see what you are choosing to see. Maybe just ask for that photographer to wait until you are finished and you would help them to understand the composition. After all, these people are paying to learn. There are things they need.
If I understood correctly that person was not part of his group, so therefor was not entitled to the lesson. I can't imagine him calling out someone in the group he's hosting in that way.
Yeah, the guy was not a part of my group. If they were, i wouldn't even be taking the photo. I'd be walking them through their version of the photo.
Don't know how you held your tongue........
Had the exact same thing happen to me a couple years ago while a buddy and I were setting up a shot at Bow Lake in Banff National Park.
A couple of idiot tourists from the usual bus tours (you will know which tours based on the location) were bumping my friends tripod almost knocking it over, while he was trying to get a composition set up.
Needless to say, they got a serious tongue lashing........yeah I was steamed!!!
I really don't deal with "Stupid" very well!
But Hey.....Good to see you back on the road!
Keep the vids coming!
From Leslieville, Ab.
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Deadvlei is probably the one of the best locations for landscapes in Africa ever. At least I have one of my favorit images from there as well
It sounds like the guy who crashed your spot may have some dependency issues. I am always amused at photographers who think that there is only one spot for the photo of a lifetime. Especially in a huge desert pan miles across. I hope he's not on your team, that would be awkward.
Maybe you were just in the spot that he'd already scouted... It's happened to me before. Just because you've had a great idea, don't assume that you're unique and the first person to think of it... Just might be that you were in his way...
Definitely not the case here. But, in some cases, yes, I can see that.
I was given a book for Xmas about a spy master who started his pre-war career in Southern Africa at you guessed it, Kolmanskop and because of the last video I knew about the place. Is there a greater power at work or is it just coincidence?
That dude…. He shattered my personal space through a screen, as ridicolous as its sounds…
So you own that composition? I am sure no one has ever taken a photo of that composition - right? Should he have waited until you have moved, yes that would be the courteous thing to do and I understand it is annoying having him crowd your personal space but it also would have been courteous to allow others to capture and enjoy the scene.
The issue is, like brendon said, he has been going there for 9 years, whats the chances of this guy shooting the same image if brendon wasn't already stood there.. you can look and think, he's got a nice shot I'm guna grab one too, but you wander of and take it later on.
If I see someone taking a photo of a nice composition, I would wait until they leave or unless they invite me over.
I don't own that space. But my personal space is being invaded in a place that is massive. That's just rude.
You probably never been there to say this. The places is 1.25km long, there's probably 10 persons there. If you are riding my ass like that in that context, you better be holding your camera tight.
Oh wow, and he even mooches in on your shot while you're recording your piece to camera. That's just rude. Beautiful captures btw.
Looks like you are using the R and R6 for photography now, Which do you prefer ?
I prefer the R6 now. Once i can afford one I'll be swapping my r for an r5
How rude! Sheesh!
Perfect video for my south african lunch braai
Brendan, are not all the people on the workshop taking the same or at the least very similar shots. I would imagine
that they all want to explore on their own. But the workshop environment can not always accommodate.. bon Noel.🇫🇷❤️🇫🇷
Nope. Not on mine anyways. I encourage people to find their own creativity. It's the only way to learn. I'll then guide them through the things they find and help them improve them.
If a workshop is, "stand next to me and do what i do" you're not learning anything and not actually on a workshop.
At least that's my opinion.
@@BrendanvanSon the shot that I treasure most from our Nepal trip was the boats on the lake at Pokhara… a shot I found (others found it too) but ‘my shot’ was as a result of being encouraged to find my own composition after 15 days of encouragement to not simply copy another person… be inspired by others, don’t simply copy.
Maaaan that shot at 8:45 is amazing! I love it so much. Namibia looks like a place I want to shoot in the future, such iconic spots.
Damn that 10:45 😍😍😍
Thanks Luca!
I had a tripod penetration a few times in Iceland and in California with some rude fellow Asians. Not even saying excuse me. Kinnda like something common to them.
By your logic everyone in the photo pit are stealing from each other then. Don't tell others what not to do. Mind your own business.
2 totally different scenarios. This is a wide open space with hundreds of trees. The pit is 5m x 5m.
But yeah, if someone in the pit is following another photographer around looking at their frame and then making the exact same one, they are at the very least being a jerk.
I genuinely thought the guy was part of your group , i cant believe the nerve of some people , i might of asked him if he needed me out the way, passive aggressive ! Despite that you got some great images especially the last one at 14:06 probably my favourite of this bunch, great work as ever, take care !
I asked him if he was doing an enema. But i don't think he understood. Lol
Well I guess I have a different take/view than most. You don't own the location or the idea for that shot. Yes he appears to have gotten a little close but your statement/inference about "stealing" your photo says your issue went beyond just his proximity. Particularly given how you spoke quite passionately about finding that comp, working the scene etc - or maybe it was more frustration. Anyway very good chance you're not the first person to take that shot or something close to it. Would you have been completely OK if he waited for you to move on and then took the exact same comp? I've travelled 1000's of miles plenty of times over the years to get only one opportunity at a location. While I'd never muscle in close enough to disrupt or inconvenience another photographer, I have no compunction setting up a similar shot to another photographer - even if I didn't originally see that shot. Just my 2 cents
Hi Brendon, great video love the pictures sorry about that guy i cannot imagen tgat guy at Mesa Arch fighting for a place, but anyway this is about your photos they are great 💖, question are you photographing wildlife also. . Can wait for the next video enjoy and stay safe...
Yes, there will be wildlife very soon
At least it wasn't someone leading a workshop and spending all the time shooting for themselves and a vlog, that's really low :-) Beautiful area though.
Come on don’t make it look like it is a crime to humanity, you are above all an educator, explain your point without having to calm down, it will give people that have less patience than you to snap and think it is right.
Did he prevent you from taking your shot? As long as he is not in front of it, it is not a big deal, you shouldn’t even see it like a threat. I have encounter many people like that and I take it like a compliment.
Please don’t be that guy.
I guess lack of sleep is causing you to be a bit short. You don’t seem to me that kind of person.
Ever been to dead vlei ? it's a gigantic spot with thousaaaaaands of photo opportunities, going up to someone's ass and shooting the same frame while they are still shooting theirs is straight up disrespectful even just as personal space goes, not even photo related.